A girl was apparently mauled to death by dog. Quite shocking!
https://7news.com.au/news/accidents/baby-girl-mauled-to-deat…
The dog attacks are not uncommon in Australia. Not just within house, even if you are walking outside, you can be attacked by astray dog or the dog who managed to escape from the house or unleased itself. The situation could become alarming if you are walking with your kids.
What would you do here to stop the attack?
My point is that you shouldn't give away your power so easily, stand up for yourself and show the beast who's boss.
Lol, okay.
hahahaha good luck with that. But seriously, don't try that, ever.
I'm 100kgs and lean. I do what the f#ck I want. Sometimes I forget that most guys are skinny manlets. Good luck with that.
I'm not saying a dog attack wouldn't be terrible, but it is very unlikely.
And there is a fair chance any violence you directed at the dog would deter it - though I wouldn't want a pit bull angered at me.
If it is something you are unreasonably worried about, carry a walking stick.
You never run away from them, this entices dogs because it sparks their play-fighting (or if they're feral, hunting) instinct and a running dog won't hesitate to take a bite out of you. I believe you're supposed to stand firm and tall and scream really loud and kick them in the face if they try to get near you, if they somehow end up on top of you, you probably have to defend yourself by making the dog suffer as painfully as possible so they can run away (So gouge their eyes, punch their snout etc.)
Don't ever kick a dog. It just makes them angrier.
kick their nose
I read somewhere if your first strike is accurate enough and hard enough at the nose, they normally retreat instead of keep going.
Their snout is very sensitive, it will definitely give them a shock.
I hope you stop burning 1 day…
Carry a water pistol full of bleach.
school holidays ;)
Pepper spray would probably work well, especially since dog's noses are very sensitive. No idea if it's legal though.
not in your state, it's an offensive weapon
Only legal in WA unfortunately. I had this question when I lived there and it seemed like the best option. Legal, effective and non-violent. Don't go fighting dogs people.
People underestimate the power of hair spray and a lighter or just hairspray alone
Good luck having one on hand when you actually need it for a dog attack
I heard of women carrying oven cleaner when walking at night… though uncertain if its dispersed spray would make it to eyes but it would blind someone/dogs…
I know people who carry a can of deodorant when they walk their dogs, after being attacked by unleashed a-hole dogs in the past. Apparently it works almost as good as pepper spray, isn't fatal to either animal (you need to remember that if your dog is involved in the attack, you want him/her to be safe!!), and if you get caught carrying it, it's just deodorant!
Do they use Rex-ona?
Winner!
probs the most practical simple advice. Have a +
Punch it in the face, kick it in the side and then rear naked choke.
Rear naked choke?!
It's ok, I won't judge you on your lifestyle choices
kick it and back away
If it hasn't bitten you, look away and walk away.
If it is attacking you, it's called flight or fight. Fight like we have survived for the past 65 million years.
Bear Grylls clip - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzjdDU1sJgo
GQ article on the same clip ads a few extra points such as using your weight to crush the dogs ribs and offering your outer thigh as best choice of limb - https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/dog-attack
I would use the ice.
crap that would just get the gum off my shoe.
Ice or WD40 both work.
In this scenario, I don’t know that I’d leave a baby/toddler to sleep at a friends house whilst partying in another part of the house - however it depends what kind of party. It might be reasonable if it was a small gathering e.g. dinner party, frequently checking on the child. Also in this scenario, presumably no one thought the dogs would get out, but yes it’s absolutely tragic and I’d like to think our dog would never harm our child if left alone (but we don’t leave it to chance).
More generally, this does concern me. There’s a little girl on our street (Maybe 10yo) who walks a very big strong staffie by herself and struggles to control the dog when he goes for our dog. There’s been a few dogs that owners have struggled to control or have got out that have been aggressive to our dog whilst we’re walking him on a lead. One thing I do is not walk both our dog and baby by myself at the same time, as I know I wouldn’t be able to control the situation if it did arise. But your post has got me thinking it’s worth carrying something in the pram even when just walking the baby to fend of a dog attack, maybe a rolling pin, or water pistol? Or maybe some dog treats would be better as a distraction. I know this scenario also is a source of anxiety for other mums of bubs I’ve discussed it with.
Some dogs are social assholes who weren't socialized properly as a puppy, that's why other dogs react back.
As for kids, dogs who were thought as 'harmless' attacking kids and sometimes killing them in households has happened countless times in Australia in the past 40+ years, just like drownings in home pools. Always keep watch.
A sharp Hunting knife is better than rolling pin or stick, or food. If a dog is attacking a child, blood spurting everywhere bones showing etc. the only way to stop it is to cut several of the dogs tendons so it feels and knows shit is going down and it's not playing a game anymore. Or stab it in the heart.
'Some dogs are social assholes who weren't socialized properly as a puppy'
and strangely in my observation that often seems to also describe their owners.
Glad it's in America. The fewer Americans, a better world we'll live in.
People are morons.
If you hate the USA so much, why don't you try China?
I am a senior citizen who has been attacked by a large bull terrier type dog. I now carry a stout stick of some sort when in an area that has a risk of dog attack. Also be prepared to kick like crazy as well. Also yell for help from nearby neighbours.
In my case I immediately formally reported to the local council. Within a day or so the council ranger investigated. The owner was fined $1350 and the dog was put down.
At least the council will react.
I think a lot of owners just get complacent with their dogs and think that they are completely tamed. That's probably the main issue.
reminds me of one woman who kept a dog inside a small strata apartment - she'd go to the gym, leaving the dog on the balcony, and the dog would bark continuously for 90 minutes or so disturbing the entire neighbourhood until she came back home
when I spoke to her about this, she remonstrated saying the dog never barked when she was at home
kinda missed my point …
As mentioned above. The best tool to have at hand is a decent 'walking stick' to give you greater reach.
But your best idea is to get something between you and the animal. Jumping the fence of the property you are out front of and hope they dont have a bigger dog might be your best option.
But don't run. Stand your ground and be loud. You are trying to put off the dog but also gain assistance from anyone in the immediate area.
Correct answer. Could also jump on a car. First the bonnet, then the roof. Dogs are usually not very good jumpers.
Yep. Did that once. 2 big dogs. Up the back of a Ute.
Here is a situation I witnessed in my neighborhood two weeks ago:
Driving down a fairly busy street, big ute driving guy a few cars up with massive bitser dog in tray. Dog not secured properly, jumps out of ute travelling about 50kmph, runs onto side walk where a little old lady is walking her little old dog and absolutely starts mauling this little dog. Driver nearly causes an accident and slamming on the brakes and abandoning car to go get his dog. Dog is still lock jawed and shaking little doggo he starts trying to tell the dog to drop other little dog (just lol) and then has to start beating the crap out of his dog to get it to drop it. Dog does not drop little doggo, man gets tired beating his own dog, massive crowd by this point, dog just walks a few metres after it gets bored and drops the little doggo lifeless on the ground. Man continues to ignore everyone around him saying his dog has never done this before and is trying to walk his dog away to the Ute that has caused a traffic jam on the road. Then he gets cornered by a guy and is told to stay put while they call the police/council.
TL:DR - A lot of dog owners have no idea of what their dogs are capable of. They think "bruiser" is a big softy and wouldn't hurt a fly and are completely wrong.
The lady was lucky that she wasn't attacked by this dog.
The owner should have been handed jail time for not securing dog and the dog should have been put down.
Some dogs can be super dog aggressive but love people. All depends on the dog and it's upbringing.
All depends on the dog and it's upbringing.
There are some breeds that regardless of their upbringing will snap and kill other wildlife or hurt people. When I was a kid neighbor had a beautiful hound cross something that was a really good boy all the time. The property he lived on had chickens and ducks and the like before he was bought to the property and the dog never did anything violent for about 7 years. Then one morning they woke up and the dog had killed 4 ducks and when the owner went to restraint him he bit the owner (the first time the dog ever did that beyond being a puppy) these guys had trained this dog well and were very loving to it.
Side note: the only thing that got this dog excited was dogs in other ute trays, he would jump out a moving vehicle to run after another moving ute with a dog in the back if it was given a chance. If the ute in question is not moving, he barely cared. Any other time it was placid as. Some dogs are just triggered by weird situations.
Dogs are dogs and they have animal instinct that can present itself at any time no matter how well we think we have trained it.
@serpserpserp: I think the main problem is that the majority of owners (I'd say >95%) has absolutely no clue how to read/train a dog or change its behaviour. I had no clue at all, until I got my anxious rescue boy and worked on him with a behaviourist. It is absolutely crazy how many dogs I meet that show signs of anxiety and the owners have no clue.
There is also no point of telling people cause most think they know better. You hear statements like 'I had dogs all my life. I know them'.
'Triggered by weird situations': Most of the time there is a very good explanation for certain behaviour. The issue is, most people don't know how to figure out that reason. If you don't know the reason, you can't fix it.
I'm not an expert but I walk Lily my dog, a little fluffy number, off the lead all the time and never have any problems but when my partner walks her (rare event!) on the lead she often gets dogs running up to attack Lily and luckily she survived the ordeals. Lily always avoids other dogs/people by nature and doesn't bark. I do risk a big fine but… Once I had a dog race up to Lily in fight mode, Lily turned sideways, avoided eye contact, didn't run, and next thing they're sniffing each other much to the amazed bogan who was sure my dog would be breakfast. I think the lesson is try not act scared/run, don't directly look aggressive dog in the eye, slowly try walk away.
Keep your dog on a leash, it's the law for a reason
Once I had a dog race up to Lily in fight mode, Lily turned sideways, avoided eye contact, didn't run
Yes dogs will submit, but other dogs might not accept that. The scenario above I talked about the little dog did not fight back or try to run. I think it was probably even trying to pretend to be dead. Some dogs just don't care and are in a vicious murderous mode or some reason and can't be easily snapped out of it.
It's messed up because if you carry a weapon with you while you walk your dog to protect yourself from other dogs you'll get in trouble for hurting it badly. You can't defend yourself with a knife.
You have to just hope you end up OK, thanks to laws you have to go unprotected - and can't use weapons which as humans is our only advantage. We are weak fleshy meatsacks. We can't use the advantage we have.
What law is this? 😱
It's under animal cruelty
I've lost count of the number of times people have their dogs off leash in parks or beside them and 'they won't hurt you/your dog. I foster guide dogs and there have been a number of attacks on working guide dogs who are then no longer able to work. Not only is the person without their 'eyes' and may have to wait some time to be matched again but around $50-60k to train each dog is a drain on Guide dog resources, as there is no charge to a person receiving a dog.
Simple, people- no matter how 'good' your dog is-put a leash on it!!
I (profanity)*ng hate it when people do that. Even in the burbs they do it.
Fines are pathetic, and they don't get caught anyway. Fines should be massive and rangers should be patrolling the hotspots constantly. With the amount of off leash dogs, they would easily finance such operations.
A pit bull attacked my kelpie at the dog park just a few days ago. I kicked the thing as hard as I could and it didnt even flinch. Took both owners (bogan couple of course) to pull the pitbull of my dog and restrain it. A child would have absolutely no chance to fend off those kinds of dogs, even an adult would struggle I imagine.
A Staffie also had a go at him few years back and latched onto his leg and would not let go. Once we got it off I picked up my dog to carry him away but the woman who owned it couldnt hold him back, It slipped from her grip 3 times and jumped up and latched onto my dog 2 more times. Again I kicked at it, but it did absolutely nothing.
I usually give owners of aggresive dog breeds the benefit of the doubt, if they have their dog off leash I assume its trained well and not aggressive, however I wont be doing that any more now that its happened twice. It sucks though, my kelpie has played with put bulls, rotrweilers, and staffies without issue most of the time, but when they attack its horrific and extremely frightening and almost impossible to hold them back. It's about time these breeds are banned in my oppinion. Should be made mandatory to wear muzzles, kept on a leash and bread out ideally.
I usually give owners of aggresive dog breeds the benefit of the doubt
Never do this. Most dog owners are about as bright as their dogs. It is a life accessory for them. Like neck tattoos and jet skis.
Yeah, I wont be any more. My dog was playing with a Whippet when this pit bull entered to off leash oval. The woman put her dog on a lead and even said to me she didnt like the look of the pit bull and left. Should have listened to her. Luckily my dog is alright though. The pit bull was going for his neck, but his fur is quite thick and i think the collar prevented it getting its teeth in all the way :O
what happened to the other dog? Did you get the owners details and tell council etc?
Pretty rough. Hope you reported it to the council.
Call the Council.
You better get that thing put down before it kills a child.
^ this ^
If your dog ever gets attacked again, do not kick the other dog. It only makes the situation worse.
Banning breeds doesn't achieve anything. Bogans will get a different breed and (profanity) it up.
I'd rather see a dog license be introduced. You have to do a course and pass a test before you can legally own a dog.
I recently had a run in with large dog whilst walking around the block. He came out of the bushes of his front yard as I approached on the footpath. I veered off the footpath towards the road. There was a power pole in between us one stage, which caused him to hesitate. I yelled at him and waved my arms and he hesitated again. At this point I was on the road and he started towards me again. I yelled louder and waved my arms again. He then stopped, turned around a trotted off. I'm sure that if I'd turned and run, he would have taken a piece out of my leg.
I'm sick and tired of territorial dogs in general. You can't even go for a walk and the bloody things comes out yapping at you. I blame the owners. They buy them and then ignore them.
Never ever leave your dog unattended with a baby or toddler, even for a second. Otherwise well mannered family dogs have turned, out of jealousy or whatever.
It's extremely rare, but only needs to happen once.
There was a case of exactly that in the news in the last week. A family Labrador/golden retriever attacked the family new born baby and killed it… so sad. And no matter how much I trust my dogs around me, I would never for a second trust them to be left alone around any kids.
Twins in Brazil. Pretty bad.
Labrador attacks are actually quite common. It's the breed that attacks the most statistically.
Horsereddish dogs can't stand it. And throw food at the dog.
If confronted by an aggressive sounding/looking dog, confront it back, sound aggressive, look aggressive, stare at and approach dog in a menacing manner. That should make it back off. Most dogs (animals) work on the fear factor and only have to call it's bluff.
I tried that once in rural Turkey… Was walking past a group of dogs with one very aggressive one threatening me. I was really in no mood for BS and did everything a 38yo male could do to look angry and intimidating, but it would not back off. In the end, after a few minutes of posturing and screaming angrily at it, pretending to charge it etc. I just had to give in and back off myself. Admittedly it was only defending 'its patch' of public street corner, but I felt pissed off being threatened just walking past. Cycling through Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania, through Europe, Australia and Asia … I had quite a few dog encounters, but hadn't seen that much aggression anywhere.
Rule 303.
Bugger, can't really do that in suburbia….but a standard spray bottle with dish suds sure had them running off when I am out working onsite away from home workshop.
This is why I hesitate to get a giant dog to assist me - if it's not the shitty small yappy dogs biting large dogs, it's their stupid owners.
Those small dog owners who avoid large dogs because they've had (justifiably terrible) experiences with badly trained and owned large dogs do get somewhat of a pass but, it's still annoying to me that big = bad.
Good training and being mindful that your dog is still an animal with killing instincts should be made very aware to every single dog owner.
Also, I have spoken to owners, vet techs, kennel hands, and shelter staff and they all agree that the small dog (Chihuahuas and Dachshunds especially) bite the worst because their owners always laugh and say their dog won't bite much. It's just that Pit Bulls have a massive bite force and they don't let go.
Kick the dog in the balls
Will it hurt them as much as it hurts human males?
That's assuming the dog attacking is a male. It need not always be true.
and assuming it has balls, which i thought was illegal unless its breeders dog or used for show?
Desexing isn't mandatory.
It'll make it more angry and aggressive.
Whoever reads this, don't do that.
Ozbargain some fresh dog food and keep some in your pocket whenever you're out for a stroll, go to the shops, or go to work. Life is all about fending off everything that can possibly injure or kill us.
This is why I always carry a blade.
Oookay, Ponyboy
I prefer to carry a string of sausages at all times
I prefer a string of kittens.
"These wieners will give me the energy I need to escape!"
Interesting thoughts.
Also looking for the thread on hippopotamus attacks in Australia, then might prepare for being hit by space junk.
Have to be prepared for all situations.
Oh, so dog attacks are rare? I'll let my extremely sweet-natured border collie know. She'll be so relieved! We assumed that her being attacked almost every single time we went for a walk in the past 9 years meant that it was commonplace. She'll sleep better at night knowing it probably won't happen again.
Never seen much of substance on this in relation to a large/powerful dog - you'd think it'd be easy to gouge their eyes or snap their legs like toothpicks but reality is probably more like a dog version of this. Plenty of stories of attacking dogs being struck with considerable blunt force (e.g. with a metal pole) to little effect, and seems pretty much any object that'd be reasonably effective and practical to have on you at all times is prohibited to carry in Australia. An aggressively-spiked tactical torch might be one worthwhile option.
In any event, a human being mauled to death is basically a freak event - like 1-2 a year on average in the entire country, and not all of those involve dogs attacking strangers on the street. Nonfatal attacks/bites are much more frequent, but I remember when I looked into this many years ago as part of some big online forum debate over the issue, the numbers suggested you're far more likely to be attacked by a human (on average at least - it's not to suggest a one year old child is safer left alone with a large dog than with their mother).
If you grab a dog by its back leg you can very easily cause serious damage or break that leg.
Now swing it around and beat its head against a power pole :)
You won't get a chance to do that.
A dog busy biting someone or some other animal will not care, or even notice really, when you walk up behind it. Now grab its legs and it's game over for fido.
@trapper: Most people aren't strong enough to do that. My dog is 50kg you'd never be able to with him
@[Deactivated]: You don't need to lift it completely off the ground, just lift the back legs up. Most of its weight will still be on the front legs.
Swinging it around is just a bonus for small dogs or strong people.
Dog attacks are very common.
1216 attacks on humans and animals in 3 months in NSW alone (Oct > Dec 2019)
596 of those on adults.
118 on children 16 and under.
https://www.olg.nsw.gov.au/public/dogs-cats/responsible-pet-…
Staffies are also far more likely to attack you than any other breed. From the same quarter:
American Staffordshire Terrier 151 attacks
Bull Terrier (Staffordshire) 147 attacks
This is one state and one 3-month period.
And that's what is reported.
Plenty go unreported so an increase in those numbers would be expected.
The dog attacks is on people and other animals. Strange they don't have separate numbers.
They do, it says right there 596 on adults, 118 on children.
Although 485 of those resulted in either no injury, or only a minor injury.
@Tasmaniac: lol.