What Do You Love about Apple Products?

I used my first Apple product in 2007 and since then I have tried couple of times to adapt Android and Windows but always fails my latest attempt was with Google Pixel 4 but to be honest!

Safari, iMessages, AirDrops, AirPods and no lags as well as It Just Works thingy is hard to defy.

I have Pixel 4 sitting in my drawer since last one month, I used to on weekends but it doesn’t appeal me.

Feel free to share your love and hate for Apple.

Comments

  • +3 votes

    If I’m been honest, the thing I like the most is the haters. You can tell it genuinely annoys them that their mates don’t listen to their advice to not buy Apple.

    “But but it’s expensive” (iPhone 11 is not expensive)
    “But but it’s poor specs means it won’t open your browser window within 0.0005s of my Android phone” (oh no, raw tech specs don’t match, let’s ignore the OS is built specifically to the tech)
    “But but they copy Android features” (so they get them and implement them better?)
    “But but you’ll look like a sheep” (unlike your pointless crusade?)
    “But but you can’t tweak them!” (My Mum is devo she can’t break her phone following some forum post to install some leet tweaks)
    “But but there’s less software compared to Windows” (yeah, and? Can you do what you need to do? How much software do you actually need?)

    • +2 votes

      I'm an Android/Windows gaming PC person (used to be iPhone up to the 4) and I recommend Apple to a lot of people, many of them family and especially if they're already in the ecosystem. I get asked a lot of questions about my phone from Apple users (Oneplus 7 Pro) but I can plainly see it's not the device for everyone despite the things it does differently or better (and yes, worse too)

      A 64gb iPhone 11 @ $1199 RRP isn't expensive? Sure is in my books, I'm not saying it's not worth it, but it's not cheap and it warrants a cross shop depending on your unique situation and use case.
      Poor specs is a dicey game to play, what matters more is the user experience the specs facilitate, here blows are often traded depending on what you want from a phone.
      Copying features, looking like a sheep, not being able to tweak them, software differences, if the 'haters' you're complaining about really use these arguments they are tards.

      I don't like Apple products, mostly the operating system/s / price tag but I'll grant they make gorgeous/premium devices, they're just not for me, and that's all the argument ever needs to be.

      What is best for you?

    •  

      "Dude, you're just a bareeesta"

  • +2 votes

    Nothing. Apple products have their uses if you live within their ecosystem but if you are not, its painful to deal with.

    For example i am a developer who occasionally supports Apple apps, i have a Macbook for that but I have no iOS device. I can't use MFA without using the SMS feature (this is painful if more than one person needs access) and that doesn't work on all dialogs, some require you enter the code from your iOS/separate apple device. Why doesn't apple support the standard 2FA token generator apps, just so I can do 2FA I need a separate iOS device.

  •  

    I have an iPad 6 and iPhone 7…in the drawers. Haven't used for two years.

    Prefer my Galaxy S8, and now Galaxy S10.

    I want to slit my wrist when I'm forced to be locked into Apple jail. At work I don't use my MacBook, prefer the PC.

    For work, once all I wanted to do was convert a word document to pdf and vice versa, I pulled my hair out finding a way on the MacBook but couldn't.

    Then I loaded my windows 10 machine, opened Office 2016 and voila…so easy. Why must it be so hard on Apple?

    • +4 votes

      For work, once all I wanted to do was convert a word document to pdf

      Select "Save As" and choose PDF

      • -1 vote

        Now the reverse? Open a pdf and convert to Word in ms office or pages. Try that.

        • +2 votes

          How’s Microsoft not implementing a feature Apple’s fault? Could try Google Docs.

          Office isn’t a good on Mac compared to Windows, particularly Outlook.

        •  

          Open a pdf and convert to Word in ms office or pages. Try that.

          https://insider.office.com/en-us/blog/edit-pdfs-in-word-for-...

          • -1 vote

            @jv: I tried that many times in Word 2016,but no good. Not going to pay for another license.

  •  

    I like their prices. Anytime they get something new they launch it at such an insane price bracket. Also I love how they take me for such a fool and keep me in their wall garden of apps. They think I can't use the hardware which I bought with their software. Gotta love em

  • +1 vote

    there are two only reasons why i stick with iPhone every time. I'll only use their phones as i find the rest of their products overpriced.

    • Mute button (i know it's 1st world problem, but it's so damm convenient)
    • iTunes music syncing - This is probably the biggest reason. I have all my music organised in playlists on iTunes with playlists for my phone. Syncing these to my phone is just super simple (i know there's software for to sync to Androids, but they're all shit)- In extension the Music app on iOS is just better.
    •  

      i know there's software for to sync to Androids, but they're all shit)

      This is how I sync my audio on Android, Google Drive.
      They're not all shit, you're just incompetent.

      I have a macbook pro and iphone but have never used itunes. lol

      Mute button

      Shake my head.

      • +1 vote

        Mute button

        Shake my head.

        Don't underestimate the mute button.

  • +1 vote

    What do you love about Apple products?

    The Price !!!

  • +3 votes

    Not mentioned yet is their warranty. I have gotten various things fixed for free, no questions asked at their store or at an authorised repair shop. Whether that's their voluntary recall e.g. butterfly keyboard, or earbuds and the speaker of my iPhone. They have the limited one year warranty but just pull out the ACL card and say I'd like it repaired or replaced please. They know well their products are super expensive and should not break within say two years, and under the ACL a product should work for a "reasonable" amount of time. Given they aren't selling some $50 phone, I'd expect my iPhone to last for years. I have an iMac from 2010, 2011 and a MacBook (the thin one) from 2011 as well and they to date all still work fine, some noticeable lag compared to my new MacBook Pro but overall no issues.

    What I don't like is upgrading components these days are almost impossible. and i mean like batteries, memory, RAM etc. I also don't like how they refuse to replace the iPhone battery if you have previously replaced it yourself because they say it's "dangerous".

  • +1 vote

    I love the fact that they take
    30% of whatever Spotify earns and
    THAT they deny stadia and project xcloud
    and Xbox games pass.

    The more money APPLE make, the more
    Revolutionary there IPhone features are!!!!!

  • +1 vote

    I find their after sales support to be top notch.

    I’ve had various items repaired out of warranty including -
    An 7 year old iMac video card being replaced
    iPhone being replaced due to screen issues
    MacBook Pro keyboard and battery being replaced.

    I haven’t paid a cent for repairs and it has given the items a new life. My 2016 MacBook Pro is fit for its purpose and will last many years before it needs to be replaced. The purchase price doesn’t really register for me - whether I paid $1500 or $2500 is insignificant when the item works for me for many years.

    The last non Apple decide I had was a Sony android phone. It was fine but I needed to adjust back out of the Apple world. The phone performed OK but relearning the Android way was a bit pointless as I didn’t achieve anything I couldn’t have done with an iPhone. The screen was an issue in the end, it broke a number of times and the last time was when it was just in my pants pocket and it cracked under no pressure. That was the last straw and in the end I went back to Apple because of the build quality.

    To the people who complain about Apples price, specs or lack of innovation, then maybe it’s just not for you. Obviously there are millions of people out there who are happy with a product that ‘just works’ and they are happy to pay the asking price. One aspect that is easily forgotten is the resale value. I could sell my 4 year old MacBook today for more than half of the purchase price.

  • +1 vote

    If the next iPhone was a complete bummer and an amazing Android comes along would people convert to Android? Imo not so much - as people have built up their own apple ecosystem in their house.

    This to me is the problem - you are now officially at Apple's mercy.

    IIt's not the platform customisation that keeps me at Android, it's the fact I can jump between phones that have completely different design focus/philosophies.

  •  

    I like the iPhone/iPad (not the notch)… nothing else though. I'm pretty disconnected from the ecosystem besides iMessage, which my family uses. 365 apps and cloud, chrome browser and geo. Wouldn't be a major hassle to switch at this point.

  • +3 votes

    I uses Mac's for about 10 years. When the iPhone was released I bought in for a few years too. I'd viciously defend Mac/apple, but started seeing the cracks and issues with Mac/apple about 4 years ago.

    The iPhone especially was just always a pain to perform simple tasks, especially transferring files etc. The dreaded alarm bug on Australian iPhones was the last straw for me and I switched to Android and never looked back. Android had its quirks back in the day too, but nothing that couldn't be fixed (unlike iPhones) and today I'd say Android is easier to use and more stable than iPhone/iOS.

    I also made the switch from Mac to PC a few years later, mainly due to the uptake of VR and Mac's lagging waaaay behind in this space (and many others). PC laptops especially have come a long way over the past 4 years or so, build quality is on par or better than Mac laptops now, with more features for a fraction of the price. Getting used to the Window's OS had a learning curve of a couple month's and there's now nothing from Mac OS I miss at all.

    In my current job I now have access to an iPhone X and Google Pixel XL. Whenever I'm using the iPhone its infuriating, and I waste hours of time trying to get files (photos/videos) off the POS. While with the android devices it takes seconds.

    Apple can go EAD now days, I don't know what exactly they can/claim to offer over Android and PC especially for the over inflated price. Back in the early smartphone days and up until a few years ago their laptops offered something PC/Android couldn't, but it's just not the case any more.

    •  

      Ummm photos & video can be copied off the device, it comes up as removable drive in Windows if you say you trust the computer.

      • +1 vote

        Nope. This doesn't work for larger video files, and doesn't work for photos/videos which aren't taken with the native camera app. Only way to get those off is via a cloud service and for some reason iOS only allows you to select/upload 10 at a time!! Took hours to get them off last time as I had 100s of photos and videos to unload (not to mention took a lot of GB of data to upload and download.

        Another thing on iOS too, iMessage sucks, one client uses it and very regularly messages just don't arrive when he uses it. I've had to ask him to switch to email only

  •  

    I love that they're priced at a point where I don't feel bad about not buying them. If they were a bit cheaper I'd probably have a harder time deciding between that iMac or windows laptop or between an iPhone or an android.

  • -1 vote

    I hate Apple products and view people who buy them as unintelligent, lazy and 'try hard'. I work in IT so probably have more understanding of technology than the average Joe. I used to have an iPhone many years ago and initially thought it was great. Then it started frustrating me with the way it restricted my customisation and what I could do. Forcing me to use iTunes was the final straw. After using Android I could never go back to the closed Apple ecosystem with the terribly ugly UI. Their marketing engine trying to make their users feel special and cool is just pathetic and only appeals to the lowest denominator in society.

    The company itself used to be good at innovating new products but very poor at improving them, focusing more effort on suing others building upon their designs than further developing them themselves. I also find their tax avoidance in the US to be almost criminal and very anti-american for a US company. Their usage of pricing to make people think that the phones are top tier is also very manipulative and again only fools the dumbest people.

    • +7 votes

      Some people just aren't interested in the things you are interested in, that doesn't make them less intelligent, or lazy.

      I haven't touched iTunes in years, I forgot it even existed. How were you forced to use it?

      • +3 votes

        I haven't touched iTunes in years, I forgot it even existed. How were you forced to use it?

        Take their word for it, ScJ - DogBoy works in I.T.

        But I'm with you - haven't touched iTunes for years, really.

    • +4 votes

      Interestingly there are people in IT that prefer Apple because of the “it just works” philosophy and how seamlessly everything works together.

      Haven’t touched/needed iTunes in years.

      • +1 vote

        Exactly. I work in IT too and half the office use iPhones. He reminds me of one of the service desk guy at work that has to let everyone know he hates Apple. It's cringe.

    • +5 votes

      I hate Apple products and view people who buy them as unintelligent, lazy and 'try hard'. I work in IT so probably have more understanding of technology than the average Joe.

      Have you ever considered the possibility that you are not as smart as you think you are?

      • -1 vote

        So, exactly how many years have you worked in IT?

        •  

          Some IT professionals (like devs) like Mac as it seems more Unix like, iirc there are things about terminal and other stuff under the hood which is why some people prefer them over Windows. (Not comparing it to Linux distros thou, idk much about them)

          •  

            @Loopenip: I think I put this one under the wrong reply. Sorry about that.

      • +2 votes

        Dunning–Kruger effect in action, my friend. Very common with Apple haters, lmao

    •  

      What piece of hardware gains your tick of approval?

  • +2 votes

    I'm an Android/Windows gaming PC person (used to be iPhone up to the 4) and I recommend Apple to a lot of people, many of them family and especially if they're already in the ecosystem. I get asked a lot of questions about my phone from Apple users (Oneplus 7 Pro) but I can plainly see it's not the device for everyone despite the things it does differently or better (and yes, worse too)

    I don't particularly like Apple products, mostly the operating system/s / price tag but I'll grant they make gorgeous/premium devices, they're just not for me, and that's all the argument ever needs to be.

    What is best for you?

  • +2 votes

    Security and privacy followed by longevity are probably the reason why I will go with Apple next. I've had my S8 for 3 years now and while it's still a good phone, I actually hate Google for having and knowing every facet of your life.

  •  

    Windows Surface Pro 4 vs iPad 2009 version & Macbook Air 2009

    I bought this SP4 as a laptop/tablet and use it primarily as a tablet. It was a poor choice imo because it's better to have two separate devices instead of an all-in-one. I find it preferable to split the multimedia/work stuff across devices, primarily because having two devices means 2x the battery life and less time attached to the charger. The surface pro4 isn't built or equipped for 12 hr/day usage and while no device really is, high usage really means it's better to cycle devices to manage battery life.

    Back when I had the macbook air, the best feature of the macbooks' OS was its preview function for photos, word docs and pdfs. However, I found it very difficult to relearn all the apple command shortcuts, even after 3 years of owning a macbook. If I were purely a multimedia person, then I'd consider apple, but wrt writing assignments, I still favour the windows ecosystem.

    If I were to choose a new device now, it'd be an ipad now and then I'd wait for the new apple arm processor laptops before upgrading and rely on my desktop PC.

    iphone vs google pixel 2xl / pixel 4xl

    As someone who doesn't need access to the file manager to add/remove datafiles, movies or music, I can actually go either way wrt iphone or the pixel. But I still find myself drawn to the pixel since they are a good price vs performance proposition when various sales are on. There are almost never any decent sales on apple products because they don't need them. The pixel 2xl lacks in phone accessories, whereas apple is well catered.

    Having compared pixel 2 xl pics vs iphone X images, I personally prefer the images and rendering of the pixel line. Much of the criticisms of the 2xl wrt the screen were also fixed in the 4xl. There were concerning complaints about the battery life and storage of the 4xl, but I haven't encountered these issues now because of the updates rolled out since inception. It's not uncommon to get 8-9hrs screen on-time with a pixel xl 4 during quarantine/iso, where much of my time is spent on netflix.

    So all in all, I'll be pure android/windows until the surface pro4 battery gives up the ghost, in which case I'll get the latest ipad or ipad pro and leave it at that.

    My windows desktop pc is still going strong, despite being almost 8 years old and the only thing I really need to do is upgrade my second or third monitor so I can have a 4k screen.

  •  

    I love how they continue to rip off and maintain their high perceived value in the market year over year. Repeating this with an increasing amount with a new model every year or every few months isn't easy.

  •  

    I've started using android 2 years ago and I can't wait to switch back to iOS when the new iPhone comes out.

    Couple things

    1. For some reason, a lot of apps look and designed better on IOS vs droid

    2. IOS exo system - I've got sonos, while android allows casting via Spotify but it's not as smooth as casting it using apply air.

    3. Android system has this forced battery saving system where it constantly looking to save battery by killing apps you have got it open in the background. I really hate this feature.

    4. People around you - 90% of my friends are on apple and it just makes so much sense having ios as well. I have underestimated imessage. Pics and vids I sent to my friends using android message are super blurry and compressed. Also not to mention it doesn't allow group messaging when your friends are on ios.

  • +6 votes

    What l love:

    Their support is unmatched. Anyone who's ever experienced their support knows what i'm talking about. They've replaced my phones no questions asked many times in the past. My mum dropped her ipad within the first week and they replaced it for her no drama. I can't imagine any other manufacturer having the ability to do this.

    The simpleness and ease of use. I'm an IT engineer/architect and deal with very technical infrastructure at work, the last thing i want to do is fiddle with my phone, customizing, installing sorts of crap on it. The argument that people in tech prefer android is nonsense. I often see that with the lower level tech systems admins who have more time to play with and like to geek out over these things like to argue android is better. I know quite a few senior people in my level who view it the same as me.

    Time Machine - Anyone who's used this knows how ridiculously easy it is to backup or transfer to a new machine. So much time saved.

    iMessage - i know there is whatsapp but the integration is just seamless

    What i don't love:

    The Lightning cable!

    Being stuck on their ecosystem once heavily invested

    Lack of development in the homekit area. Google and Alexa are way ahead in this area.

    Their price but the smart ones will know you can salary sacrafice this and pay with pretax dollars. The addition that their phones hold value very well that selling it after upgrading means the difference you pay is between $100-$200 a year to upgrade to the latest phone.

    To each their own really, i'm tired of the apple vs android vs ms. You like what you like.

    • +3 votes

      Absolutely captured it. I have better things to do with my time than pfaff around customising my phone, it generally does what I want to do with minimal setup. If I’m bored I Google the device and see if there is something else I could be setting up on it.

      I was a Network Architect for a big organisation as well. I had plenty of real techno things to be getting on with.

      I’m not sure why the Android/Windows people get so het up that people buy Apple products because most Apple people don’t give a toss what these people are purchasing. See the first cartoon.

      https://dilbert.com/search_results?terms=Gustav+Mac

  • +1 vote

    The benefits of Apple are that the hardware is high quality, as is the software, its closed environment is at a high level of functionality and usability and its developer ecosystem is highly regulated so the quality is generally high. In terms of security, it is of a very high standard. This is suitable and desirable for the consumer market which can meet the price point.

    The cons of Apple are that the price is a barrier to entry and if you have bespoke requirements your options are more limited, so it is not suitable for all areas. If gaming is your niche, which it isn't for me but it is for many of this community, then it is also an area where it falls down.

    • For the record, Windows also "just works", the problem is that there isn't a standardised criteria for hardware and the software ecosystem is far more open, and the operating system far more customisable, that it leads to problems.

    ** Linux also just works, but by its nature it is more open and customisable than windows, but with less 3rd party support.

  • +1 vote

    I started getting into the tablet craze back when all those bargain basement tablets became really popular a few years ago. First one was an elcheapo Pando which I upgraded due to a really horrible LCD - tearing, colour distortion, tiny viewing angle, not sharp. I bought a used Motorola Xoom with a much nicer screen and great build quality but an ancient processor that couldn't go past Android 3.1. I moved onto a HP 7" which was good for a while but then it got stuck on a permanent boot loop while doing a quick reset from the settings page (ugh). Tried everything on it (useless support pages, etc.) but it remained in this state for more than half a year. Finally got it out a boot loop thanks to a comment but it wasn't worth the pain. It developed a battery leaking issue during this time as well. I bought a HP 10" tablet and it was great - front facing speakers, 1080p, worked well. Then it stopped charging after a few months. Tried fixing it but got to the point where I had to micro solder parts and gave up, still have the parts somewhere. Mind you these HP tablets had an RRP of 150 and 250 so not exactly cheap.

    So after much frustration I thought 'sod it' sold everything and bought a refurbished barebones model of the iPad 5 for around the $370 mark from the Apple site which I've had for a few years now. Not much to talk about as it just works (and still works well). Great build quality. Charging works fine. Loads everything up fast. Great screen - more than sharp enough to read books or watch a video. Streams media fine from my HDD and plays back every video file type I've thrown at it. 4:3 ratio isn't great for videos but excellent for PDFs and books. No fuss which is what I wanted and what I got. Buying an Apple product gets you some sort of assured quality (good hardware). Also my fears of ease of use and restrictions (e.g. itunes) never came into fruition. I mean how many times do we end up plugging in the tablet to computer anyway? For me, every now and then to upload some books or PDFs was worth iTunes which was fine for my small use. Now would I pay top dollar for the latest Apple product? No, but neither would I pay top dollar for the latest Android. For smartphones I think getting a few-generations old Android flagship represents excellent value for the pound as well as the mid-range phones like the Pixel, etc. - moreso than their Apple counterparts. Tl;dr both good

  • +2 votes

    Resale values are good.

  • +1 vote

    I recommend them to the in laws so they can go to the Apple store for help and not bug me incessantly.

  •  

    Although I prefer Android, I am an apple user, because I'm a cheapskate, and overall cost of ownership can be lower with an iphone… I know this sounds idiotic, but i explain in point 1 under good.

    Good:
    Resale value; you can buy roughly an 18 month old device, use it for a year or two, sell it and loose an acceptable amount of money
    There is very good third party accessory support - if you are prone to smashing screens like I am, the otterbox series they make for iphones are way better than the ones they make for samsung etc
    Software support - I'm using a 3+ year old device and it gets software updates as regularly as a brand new device
    Purely subjective view, but I feel that apple watch fitness monitoring is better than any other smart watch out there

    Bad (only keeping it to top 5, because, I could go on all day)
    WTF is a charging cable that costs $10+ considered a good deal?
    I paid for the f***ing storage, but I can't store what I want on it and access it via pc/or anything else I choose to plug the thing into. I don't know what a
    Should it really be necessary for me to upgrade my device just because I want a little more storage
    Is it really that hard to give me profiles. My nokia 5110 had them… Siri is smart enough to add travel time to my calender, but not smart enough to put my phone on silent….
    Has anyone other than the owner, really, and I mean actually, been inconvenienced by the stupid icloud lock?

  •  

    I'm not a fan because of the whole apple ecosystem of devices and products, seems to cater directly to people who have more of their products (which makes sense from a buisness point of view). So even tho I would admit to liking some of their products (to be honest I can't think of any off the top of my head) but the idea of getting one is just too anoying. Also I've had a iphone in the past, it was OK but it wasn't worth switching all my stuff over to apple for.

    In the end I hate all companies, some more then others tbh. I don't think brand worship is healthy at all.

  •  

    Android requires a little bit of brain..

    • -1 vote

      Only a little bit.

  •  

    I have had Samsung phones all the way back to the original Note, and I personally hate Apple products. But I also don't go around telling everyone that all Apple products are crap and start going full Samsung fanboi.

    I usually recommend people an iPhone if they just want a good smartphone that works out of the box with minimal setting up. Also great for oldies that still want stuff like internet/video calls/etc.

    I just hate Apple from a experience years ago when iTunes came out. The damn program was worse that a bloody virus, took a complete HDD wipe and reinstall to get rid of the damn thing. Just haven't touched anything Apple since.

  • +2 votes

    Apple makes money selling hardware, Google sells money….. you can fill in the blanks yourself. And Samsung displaying advertisements on their already expensive and overrated phones is just absolute nuts. I have bought into Samsung's hype train thrice - starting with Galaxy S2 which was an unmitigated disaster in the times when 3.5mm IEM's were a thing and I could hear a hiss everytime the CPU did something, Galaxy S4 whose screen broke when it fell from my pocket onto the floor in a bus and then Galaxy Note 5 whose headline feature, the S-Pen didnt work properly and when I showed it to Samsung, every display phone had the same issue but since every phone had it, it was not an issue! It would still be okay if it was a cheap phone but on a phone costing as much or more than an iPhone with delayed updates and software support for 2 years, its unpardonable. Never ever again.

    The only Android phone I actually enjoyed was the Nexus 5. To this day I think it was the best phone Google sold.

    The S pen issue

    https://youtu.be/XN41nE1lWGI

    https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/07/04/ads-are-taking-over...

  •  

    Over priced

    Non standard cables

    Over priced

    The Macs are made for people who are not computer savvey and are near impossible to fix yourself

    Ohh I thought this was why you hate apple my bad :)

    • +1 vote
      1. Subjective. Makes sure you're doing a like for like comparison considering the devices lifetime
      2. That depends on which product line - Macbooks use USB-C.
        3a) No. MacOS is a more UNIX OS, It's a better platform for development
        3b) Don't disagree here.
  • +1 vote

    I used to love there innovation and creativity - since jobs died i feel like they keep releasing the same shit with a slightly better screen and camera… However they still charge a mass premium….so im going to say i dont like much these days

    I get why people like apple but objectively they are not the company they were under jobs -imo

  •  

    Sticking to what I love about Apple. I'm provided with a MacBook for work.

    The hardware: nice screen, sleek uni-body aluminium, premium feel. USB C charging.

    The software: There are a lot of small pieces of polish in Apple's software. As an example, you can sign documents from the built in PDF viewer. Unix-style operating system.
    The keyboard shortcuts - Maybe it's just using it at work, but I think the Apple Keyboard shortcuts are a little more efficient than the windows ones, especially once you get used to them.

    While I don't use it personally, i've seen many demos of the tight integration between phone, pc and earphones. For example, the shared clipboard.

    The arguments :) Realising half the conversations are futile as they're rabid Apple/Android/Windows fan boys. Participating anyway.

    •  

      The keyboard shortcuts - Maybe it's just using it at work, but I think the Apple Keyboard shortcuts are a little more efficient than the windows ones, especially once you get used to them.

      I've just got one question.
      Ctrl + C & Ctrl + V for Copy & Paste for Windows
      You'd use your left pinky and left pointer finger to press that.

      Then in Mac it's
      Command + C & Command + V
      You'd use your left thumb and pointer finger for the equivalent…?

      Are Mac users Zoidbergs from Futurama?

      •  

        It's a mix between the two once you add in X and A. I'm more referring to cmd + arrows which I think is more intuitive rather than hitting home/end.

        •  

          I'm more referring to cmd + arrows which I think is more intuitive rather than hitting home/end.

          What's the use case in this?

          I've almost never used home and end buttons in Windows haha

          •  

            @cwongtech: Typically navigating through text, along with option arrow.

            Do you typically use the mouse for these functions?

            •  

              @ihfree:

              Do you typically use the mouse for these functions?

              I don't use Home and End, I use page up/down more often and scroll with a mousewheel.
              Also, for windows laptops.. most decent ones will have a touch screen, so can scroll like that as well

              •  

                @cwongtech: I'm not sure you understand what i'm saying. This isn't a Windows Vs Mac thing. I've merely stated, I think the use of modifier keys/keyboard shortcuts is better in Mac OS which is simply personal preference.

                Regardless of OS, it's better to keep your hands near the core keys of the keyboard as it's more productive. That also means minimising the time you use the mouse. Sure, if you're consuming content, you're probably going to use the scroll wheel or simply page up or down to navigate.

                As for touch screens, arms just aren't designed to be held out in front of you for extended periods of time. At the moment, my laptop is very rarely used away from a desk. My personal setup is a monitor connected to my Mac and my personal PC using the same keyboard. Would I want a touch screen? Hell, no.

                If I was buying a laptop, I also wouldn't bother with a touch screen as the form factor is far from ideal for touch.

                •  

                  @ihfree:

                  I've merely stated, I think the use of modifier keys/keyboard shortcuts is better in Mac OS which is simply personal preference.

                  I still don't get the copy and paste in mac :P

                  Regardless of OS, it's better to keep your hands near the core keys of the keyboard as it's more productive.

                  Yep.. I type with both hands, so my right hand can operate the arrow keys and page up/down as needed.

                  That also means minimising the time you use the mouse.

                  Both OS needs a mouse/touchpad regardless..

                  • -1 vote

                    @cwongtech: Once again, you're simply not understanding or not addressing my point.

                    I still don't get the copy and paste in mac :P

                    Google is your friend. The windows keyboard is by no means the first. The windows key is a weird one as far as modifier keys go. Believe it or not, there are other keyboard layouts. A UNIX layout has modifier keys in different places again.

                    Yep.. I type with both hands, so my right hand can operate the arrow keys and page up/down as needed.

                    That's not the point. The point is minimising hand movement.

                    Both OS needs a mouse/touchpad regardless..

                    Ok, but "That also means minimising the time you use the mouse." doesn't mean that you don't need one. After all, editing text isn't the only thing that you do on a computer.

  • -2 votes

    I love watching how Apple can make milk so much money out of people purely on brand power created by someone who died such a long time ago.

    It gives me inspiration for my own business ventures that I too may one day create such a long conga line of suckers.

    From developers happily giving away 30% of their income for nothing to people paying $4,000 for $1,500 worth of hardware it truely is a marvel to behold.

    • +4 votes

      "Apple are just good at marketing"

      Yep, they've pulled the wool over millions and millions of peoples eyes. It's only very astute observers such as yourself, Jaimex2, who see Apple for who they really are. Thank the lord we have your brains on the case - you need to go forth and spew more Apple hate, like all the sheep who call Apple users sheep - like a good sheep! You've got a totally original thought here, mate.

      • +1 vote

        It’s also good to see they view their potential customers as suckers, sounds like it would be a customer focused business to deal with.

  • +2 votes

    Security

    Performance: Previous Androids I’ve had (S4 & G4) always lagged after a while which led me to custom roms like Cyanogenmod with shitty camera and buggy apps. This is probably because Android must support many hardware platforms whereas IOS only has 1 per year.

    Updates: this is probably the biggest one for me and has increased the longevity of my phone. My phones now 4yrs+ old and I don’t feel it. Where as after 2 yrs my Androids feel dated and I’m itching to upgrade.

    Build quality

    Privacy

    Support: I dropped my phone and camera broke on 2 occasions. They replaced it one time for free. Next time for $100. I walked into the shop and had it fixed same day. In Android world I’d have to go to a dodgy repair shop.

    •  

      Regarding security, I think at this point, i'd feel almost the same about leaving people with Macs as Windows PCs. With the growth of Apple's market share, they're targetted more now, at least based on articles I've read.

      People will go to extremes to get things working, including executing random console commands. A bit of knowledge about the workings of both platforms goes a long way. Though, on the plus side, it's easier to get support.

      Mac support is great in-store or by phone. A relative uses their support line all the time to help with heaps of random problems.

  • +2 votes

    For me it's just that things do "just work" when I want them to.
    Even android auto is a buggy mess for me these days. Although the Eco-system is limiting, things in that are generally more reliable.

  • +1 vote

    I love their reliability and longevity. I keep my smart phone for 4 years at least and iPhone never gave me trouble! The eco system works great for me too, just small things like AirDropping files between devices, switching AirPods and unlocking Mac using Apple Watch and then making purchases on Mac by authorising transaction on iPhone/Watch.

    •  

      Sure the ecosystem works fine but you are paying a large Apple tax .
      Its about time Apple consumers demand compatibility especially with the smart home wars so consumers have a decent choice for their setup without that tax and more importantly the best products .

    • +2 votes

      Mindless tropes. Maybe you need to read a tad more widely than you currently do. The joke is most people I know with Apple devices don’t have the latest technology because their current ones do what you want and they last a long time.

      •  

        The joke is everyone at work and people i know cant wait for new Apple toys to come out, they all rush out and queue up (like the 1000's of others you see on TV) the day they are released.

        • +2 votes

          Maybe you work with the wrong sort of people. I suspect they are the sort of people who queue at the latest new “hot spot” restaurant as well.

          It has been years since new Apple products attracted 1000s of people in crowds on day one.

          I don’t know any of my friends who have the latest Apple products. I got an XS rather than an 11 because that technology does what I want and the price point was better.

    • +1 vote

      iSheep

      lol. Repeated, verbatim, like a sheep. Not even a hint of irony smacks Pharkurnell's lips

  •  

    I made a post on what I love, so may as well balance it out with a post on what I hate:

    • The stereotypical ignorant mac user. "Yeah, I used a $90 android/Samsung/other vendor's phone once. You just can't compare it to my $2000 iPhone XS Plus Pro Max."
    • Lack of more affordable options. Sure the aluminium unibody is nice, but it would be nice have a few more accessible options.
    • Intel Lock in, especially with AMD over the past few generations. It will be interesting to see where this goes with their own ARM based chips.
    • All the goods going into landfill each time Apple change their connector.
    • Non standard connectors on iPhones. Use USB-C, damn it! I understand lightning, however things have changed.
    • (More neutral on this one) The move away from MagSafe connectors.
    • iPhone users always wanting electricity
    • Lack of ability to service the devices
    • Fixed storage and the jump in cost between tiers based on capacity
    • The pretentious nature of the Apple Store or should I say "Town Square" with the "Genius Groves" and "Geniuses" and "Creative Pros"
    • The lack of standard checkouts in Apple stores along with the weird card readers
    • The advertising "If you don't have an iPhone, you don't have an iPhone"
    • The closed nature of their eco-system(s). When you think back to their previous use of 1984 style imagery, and where they are today.
    • iOS: Lack of a File system and how docs are tied to apps
    • iOS: Lack of the basic ability to save certain file types from the browser
    • Lack of free Apps that you take for granted in Windows (eg: no decent free alternative to Paint.net, WinSCP)
    • +1 vote

      Can’t complain about your list but the issue about the cable is true of Androids as well. Had a few different cable types over the years. However, we used to have a joke that Apple produced cables with a sideline in phones.

      The iPad Pro seems to overcome a few of the issues you have. Personally, I wish Apple would produce a low end phone, with a decent camera because most of what I do now is on my Apple Watch or my iPad; the phone hardly makes it out of the bag. The phone is, mostly, a camera, a hotspot and a way of managing my watch.

      I really like the watch, I finally have my Dick Tracey watch phone. What really ticks me off is you can’t setup the watch using your iPad so I had to get a latest IOS phone to setup the watch.

  • +1 vote

    They just work. That’s it. And there’s enough dev support from major companies to not have to be divorced from popular software packages. If major companies made Linux ports commonplace there would be less of a reason to use Windows. Mac is based off Unix. It’s also much easier to get Mac stuff fixed in my experience, like I sold my S8 with a smashed screen because the repair for the screen was obscene. I get android phones and always end up going back. MacBooks are a rort imo for the specs but they are sturdy and hold their value, unlike hp laptops where the (profanity) hinges collapse

  • +1 vote

    Nothing, apple is baloony money pothole nothing else, just like any other luxury brand.
    But find it inspiring how apple is able to get people addicted to the ecosystem

    • +2 votes

      So you have, obviously, had extensive use of their entire range of products to be so knowledgeable about their shortfalls.

      •  

        I have only used their iphone 4s, once after my dad was stuck in apple iphone trap, and he upgraded i used that old on when he had iphone 6 or something.
        But i dont really use apple, am shocked by my friends and family friends who are stuck with everything apple.
        Most of them are with apple just for a show off honestly speaking, just to piss off others who don't have apple

        •  

          So what you are saying you have minimal experience with them but feel you are qualified to talk about their shortcomings. Yeah, maybe you need to think really hard about being “shocked” at other people’s behaviour.

      •  

        that's what you assume with anyone who has anything negative to say about iPhones lol

        •  

          So is it the truth, in your case? There are quite a few things I’m not keen on with Apple products, there are other things I like; but then I’ve had a few Apple products, over the years, and have used a few Android phones for work. I just get annoyed with people who bag Apple products and have either had minimal, or no, experience of them.

  •  

    Not a fan for Apple's mobile phone. The macs are beast

  • +1 vote

    I just really hate Apple products with a passion, i don't know why

  • +2 votes

    Their stuff just works and continues to work.

    My first Macbook was in 2007 (black) and it still works. I use to stream movies via the mini-display port to a dumb TV in the spare bedroom.

    A 2010 Macbook Pro I leave in the garage to stream music when doing work.

    And I've been using a 2016 Macbook Pro since and I don't foresee upgrading for a while a yet.

    Each one is on the latest available MacOS and it continues to work. The batteries might only hold an hours charge but I just leave it plugged in.

    •  

      Good for you. I once was stupid enough to pay 2.5k for a Macbook Pro and after couple of years, the glue started melting from it due to ridiculous amount of heat coming from it. I almost got burnt trying to use it on my lap wearing shorts. Never touched another Macbook after that. Never touched iPhones after 3GS either until I was forced to use one for work.

      For every great story, there's a bad one too. Love how people make it out as if Apple is producing something that is not comparable to any other competitor products out there. The truth is they don't.

  •  

    Basically its always best to look at the facts
    Fact 1: Apples bad
    Fact 2: anything else is better

    •  

      Fact 3.
      There is always one in a crowd. Sigh.