Received this in mailbox today https://imgur.com/a/HJczfOc
Is this even legal to advertise such businesses?
Destroying and Removing Black Magic Ad. Is This Legal?
auswriter on 18/08/2020 - 11:52
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I'm still iffy on that. Should be banned if guns are. Religions have probably been responsible for more deaths.
Religions have probably been responsible for more deaths.
You mean that without religion, there would have been no conflict and resultant death?
With a simple Google search, I can demonstrate that political differences, even within similar/same religion, has been responsible for more deaths.
Similarly, I can demonstrate that many religious wars were waged before the religions were involved. Religion was just a banner for recruitment and alliances.
Your position is one that quickly crumbles when debated.
You mean that without religion, there would have been no conflict and resultant death?
That's quite the leap there. There's always been conflict and likely always will be but the people in charge have used religions as a justification for war and those believers unfortunately often become victims of it.
@Caped Baldy: Many of these people wanted the war and found the religion to suit it. Not provable either way but if we observe human behaviour prior to established religions, across religions and in the absence of religion, it is roughly the same. (Exceptions like the Mayans exist but that's an outlier.)
Religion is a zilch factor when it comes to conflict and death.
Many of these people wanted the war and found the religion to suit it.
So without religion, less people would have died.
Religion is a zilch factor when it comes to conflict and death.
So no one has been killed for being gay because pieces of paper say it is a sin? Cool beans.
@Caped Baldy: You're missing the point. Without religion, the genocides would have happened under a different banner.
Same end result , different trigger.
So no one has been killed for being gay because pieces of paper say it is a sin? Cool beans.
I made no such claim. I said that religion isn't a factor. You're conflating factor with causation.
I am pointing out that in the absence of religion, LGBT groups will still be a target. Those seeking persecution of others based on self identity will do so, religion or not.
Fidel Castro, Adolf Hitler, practically every Soviet leader, Che Guevara… I mean, it is a long list of leaders that have persecuted the LGBT group out of reasons completely seperate from religion.
@Caped Baldy: "So no one has been killed for being gay because pieces of paper say it is a sin? Cool beans"
Plenty have been killed by people with no religion, just due to pure hate. 70's, 80's, & 90's Sydney is proof of that, it was sport for those involved.
These things are far from being limited to being carried out by those who have a religion or were misinterpreting a paragraph in a book.
Whenever the accused or convicted is referred to as "a good Christian". 60% of the time every time, they are complete assholes.
So they were correctly referenced?
SAI ASTROLOGY CENRE
Got to trust an "Expert in Destroying & Removing BLACK MAGIC", who can't spell Centre.
Ad says destroying black magic, not destroying it in the spelling department.
And they can solve your Financial Problems, but only one Problem when it comes to anything else.
And any divorce lawyers better watch out for his ability to "Stop Divorce Business".
http://www.findlaw.com.au/articles/5163/is-fortune-telling-a…
Fortune telling is only an offence when a person intends to deceive by telling fortunes as stated in s 57(1)(d) in the Summary Offences Act of the Northern Territory, and s 40 of the Summary Offences Act 1953 of South Australia.
Fortune telling is legal in other states.
And anyway, they would loophole out of it by saying it was for “theatrical entertainment purposes only”
I can imagine their fortune telling skills. I see you are about to lose a large amount of money. I can help you lose 100 pounds too (if you pay via my British website).
My local clairvoyant is currently closed due to foreseen circumstances :(
Speed Reading. I read:
My local clairvoyant is currently closed due to foreskin circumcisions :(
I know you did. (I managed to see her before she closed down)
Well someone has to stop Little Mix's Black Magic.
Churches advertise invisible friends and salvation all the time so this is no different.
Course it's legal, how else would the alternative therapy industry survive?
It's up to you to determine if you believe in it or not, if you do - shoot me a PM because I have some magic beans to sell :)
Don't forget to pricebeat with tshow.
It worked for John Safran and the Socceroos. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-02/world-cup-2018-soccer…
If he was psychic, wouldn't he just mail/phone "clients" directly?
anyway who cares, found my keys.
Can you help hellopam?
someone send this to the white house
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Don't knock. I know someone that tried this and it did free him from his money.
Why would it be illegal? Something should only be banned if the public benefits from it being banned more than letting it continue. If people want to believe in black magic and that someone can cure them from it, that's all well and good as long as they aren't harmed in the process.
I don't think it's illegal. If people are willing to pay for hocus locus mumbo jumbo then let them. There are plenty of superstitions in different cultures so each to their own.
Yes, i too occasionally gave money to be free from my sins until I resolutely placed it in the hocus pocus mumbo jumbo category
Let me know when everything that is not evidence-based is prohibited or considered illegal. There is essentially no difference between fortune telling or black magic, and religion as one might justify or explain the other.
Placebo effect is a thing, which means that some people will feel better after doing something they believe is beneficial to them. It's getting harder and harder to distinguish between magical beliefs, religion, and quackery. Sometimes the only difference is the cultural context, and sometimes there is no difference at all.
Particularly, I think black magic is no worse than churches extorting their customers (believers), or people justifying misbehaviour and prejudice using old scriptures and brain washing.
If we have to respect one, I see no reason why we should not respect the other.
Same but different with Churches, you can walk in and out after receiving whatever is on offer without spending any money (it's not mandatory to tithe, its up to the person and how in to it they are or aren't) whereas this "service" claims to provide a benefit or solution to your problems for a fee.
That's a much more obvious scam, sadly people would still fall for it.Also why is it only ever the white religions people love to sh!t on, seems a few are untouchable for fear of offending those people. - Not specific to your post but this thread in general or any where people have a chance to bash religion.
Yes, except when they use extortion to (kind of) force people to contribute, threatening that they might go to hell or that God would become terribly angry. No one is being forced to pay for the black magic… You only pay if you believe that's gonna work.
I agree with you that white religious people are easier to blame when, for example, African and aboriginal beliefs are untouchable. We can be sarcastic when talking about people following the Bible or the Quran, and make jokes about black magic or the Jewish, but if we say anything about the practice of infanticide in some indigenous communities around the world, including tribes in India and PNG, and Australia, we are being intolerant.
Black magic is part of the Aboriginal culture as well, but the same funny things people say about (some) Christians giving 10% to the church, Mormons walking around, or the gypsies reading hands can't be said about the aboriginal beliefs.
Adding quick Googled reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide"Author Susanna de Vries in 2007 told a newspaper that her accounts of Aboriginal violence, including infanticide, were censored by publishers in the 1980s and 1990s. She told reporters that the censorship "stemmed from guilt over the stolen children question".[95] Keith Windschuttle weighed in on the conversation, saying this type of censorship started in the 1970s."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-10/ancient-beliefs-at-la…
May I suggest that your strong feelings (definitely not misguided) could be better represented if you were more specific.
From what I gather, you are no religious and do not wish to have any association. You do not subscribe to a deity/similar from which supernatural consequences manifest.
Believing in the supernatural is not an issue and shouldn't be. Trying to legislate that is bound for failure/corruption.
You are also against extortion, intimidation, obtaining via deception, etc. These are well defined and outlawed. It is already criminal.
The issue being debated between you two is can be resolved if you debated both topics separately. I am sure you are already both in agreement on the latter.
@[Deactivated]: In summary, I think people should be free to follow any religion and that is not up to me (or the State, or anyone else) to select the religions or beliefs that are ok to follow and what should be considered "too much". As I don't follow any religion, but respect them (and might laugh when I hear religion-based jokes), I think it's weird when religious individuals point out that the other religions are "nonsense" as if the one they follow were more believable in any way.
Faith, different from Medicine, doesn't follow the scientific method. A doctor can't offer "magic pills" unless there is scientific evidence (before anyone says Prozac and black magic are the same thing), but a religious leader or entity can offer magic solutions or promises, whether they charge for that or not. What is criminal varies and is still very subjective, otherwise promising redemption in the name of God would be deceptive and illegal. Extortion and deception are not only about money.
I agree with you that white religious people are easier to blame when, for example, African and aboriginal beliefs are untouchable.
Lol, I'm pretty sure he's referring to Islam. The funny thing is, that Christianity and Islam seem to have similar views on issues that are front and center in recent times.
Religion is one thing. Charging people large amounts of money for inaccurate services is another.
This is unethical.
I hope that's a joke because "charging people large amounts of money for inaccurate services" is precisely what many religions do.
And who are you to tell what kind of religion or beliefs people are supposed to follow? Essentially, they are all quackery unless it's your religion. People are supposed to be intelligent and make their own choices. If they wanna buy a piece of land in heaven, have the hand read and translated by a gypsy, or use black magic against someone, they are free.
It'd be great if people could complain to the ACCC in case things didn't go as expected, but the warranty terms are as clear as the services provided.
I hope that's a joke because "charging people large amounts of money for inaccurate services" is precisely what many religions do.
This concept has been debunked several times here already. But I'll just take the option of asking for proof, especially regarding the "large amounts of money for inaccurate services" and "many religions"
@this is us: So that is one instance of a church taking donations not "fees for inaccurate services" falls short of all 3 bolded points.
@tryagain: In the past, they exposed donors that didn't give enough money, clearly intimidating/extorting. If you think "If you decide to go ahead and do that, Jesus will give you a gift" is not like selling inaccurate services, the discussion is over.
In the past, they exposed donors that didn't give enough money
Do you have a link for this, a quick search and I couldn't find anything?
@tryagain: It's in Brazil, so you will have to search in Portuguese and translate if you want.
https://veja.abril.com.br/brasil/igreja-universal-e-condenad…
http://revistaepoca.globo.com/Revista/Epoca/0,,EMI93948-1522…
Ask the Mormons who come knocking at your door
Its legal, but I will never try or join them lol
Why wouldn't this be legal?
Policing other peoples beliefs is not a road we want to go down. We live in a relatively free country, lets keep it that way.
Agreed.
No matter how whack their beliefs might be, they should be free to believe it.
I only start to take issue when they want to impact laws and be tax free.
I agree and disagree.
Agree: Yes, we should allow them to practice their beliefs.
Disagree: What is to say that the laws of the land as it currently stands are correct and shouldn't be changed? If a religion came and wanted those same laws to be changed we should look at its merits first.
EG. Voting for indigenous peoples or women was deemed illegal. White Australia Policy was a thing here.
Surely these should be subject to analysis?I'm being objective and don't want to argue or prove anything. Just want to state a case :)
I partially disagree. The religion itself should not be illegal, but 'selling' services for it should be. This is a complete and utter scam.
I received a flyer saying I should put my trust in god to find a vaccine. It was an odd mixture of the crazy religious stuff but also trusting in science. Had a good chuckle.
Anyway, that looks to be a Sai Babba flyer.
The guys is (or was, think he is dead now) scam artist that attracted a massive following.
A 2nd hand car I bought years ago had a rego called LUVSAI, and it was the first I'd heard about him.
Here I am jumped in on the thread thinking it's about black magic disk software
Actually it's about fishing tackle.
i wonder why they can’t defeat rona19 with all that power 😅
I am happy to come to anybody’s home or place of business to remove ANY and ALL imaginary things. I am interdenominational and not biased against removing those considered “good“ or “evil” My fee would be lunch, dinner and a few drink plus travel and accommodation. Don’t go calling those expensive hoodoo voodoo people. I will do a no nonsense job. I would especially welcome removal of said imaginary entities in places with sunshine and warm climates and theme parks - I would especially welcome theme parks. Last year I was involved in facing “evil” at the Scooby Doo attraction at Movie World on the Gold Coast. In time I would even extend my services worldwide. Disclaimer: Due to the nature of these imaginary entities they can return if the client so imagines. After removal is completed I offer a return visit at the client’s expense for only travel and accommodation.
But but but..Black magic works for COVID-19. Surprised it wasn’t advertised on the leaflet.
I think Pete Evans has the patent on that
COVID-19 is done and dusted, don't even worry about it! The Christians have it covered:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSIrQBGfUtw
Use of the term Psychological might be an issue. Psychologist and some other iterations of the word are protected.
I can't believe how many people are saying this is a non-issue.
This awful person is taking advantage of people at the most vulnerable points in their life, and probably charging them unbelievable amounts of money for complete bullshit.
He has no ABN listed on his site. Where is the money going for these 'appointments'? Might see if I can report this (profanity) to the tax office.
Edit: I filed a report against him with the ATO. Who knows what might come out of it. :)
That is awesome! This guy's brand of religion makes equal amount of sense and should be treated equally as serious as christianty, islam, judahism, buddism, etc. They are ALL made up fanciful stories. This guy is no different.
Except this scumbag is charging money for it and intentionally misguiding people.
Religion, most if not all, carry teachings. Perhaps we can argue that it is not worth the financial cost to belong to any of these religions but there is something that is definitely present - morality and/or cautionary tales.
Black magic OTOH offers no such value.
Although I am no supporter of fortune tellers or divinity arrows, etc. I loath any such practices. Just for the sake of discussion, one could argue a difference based on something like "materiality" concept (qualitative &/or quantitative) where a fortune teller isn't making a promise to perform certain actions / services which would result in change of the fortune in exchange for cash. There would clearly be a difference between a person charging $15/$20 to read a palm/astrology vs. someone charging hundreds if not thousands of dollars to perform a service which will alleviate some kind of pain/situation which wouldn't normally be lifted using any reasonable &/or legal action.
I think, in OPs example, the AFP should arrest any such perpetrators principally on their claim to offer services that potentially affects the outcome of a court case (be it family, civil or criminal) in line with "contempt of court" regulations.
Deliberately scaring people using unknown threats and tricking/defrauding them out of hundreds or thousands of dollars in exchange for unquantifiable services to be rendered amounts to nothing more than a scam. Its same as getting scammed over the phone by a "Nigerian prince" or an "Online tech support with an accent" both of whom prefer either Apple iTunes gift cards or Western Union transfers.
Its a community service to lead these scammers on, play with their feelings and/or waster their time, i.e. if you have spare time and are looking for a hobby.
Still more honest than a RE agent or used car salesman.
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Only 1 pill daily
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Hi OP, I think you should report this business to ScamWatch.
Dont fall into this trap… its a scam. A lot of educated ppl too have fell for it in India and looks like these scammers are international now. Astrology is a vast field of study in itself and there are some really good astrologers out there but they don't need to promote like this.
Astronomy is a field of study.
Astrology is a psuedoscience.Are you suggesting that since there are good astrologers, that astrology has any merit beyond the placebo effect or has any confirming evidence beyond that offered through confirmation bias?
Greetings Imperial Citizens, whats going on in this thread……by the Emperor!
I like the way you advertise your business :-)
🤣
This guy is the best remover of black magic in town.Can recommend
I see nothing wrong here and certainly nothing illegal. no different to a priest turning up to bless you. All religions require you to believe in magic and myths, it is just you aren't accustomed to this particular set of beliefs.
I don't see anything wrong with this ad. It's actually positive and not advertising giving bad luck or 'black magic' to other people.
Having said that, it's all a bunch of nonsense. There is no such thing as magic, black magic, evil spirits, and other superstitions. People can believe what they like and more power to them.
It's funny how no psychic predicted the coronavirus in 2020. It's almost like they're talking a load of nonsense and people pay for it.
I don't see anything wrong with this ad.
In this specific scenario, perhaps nothing but the practitioners of this specific cultural shamanism is often associated with criminal activity.
Think gumtree ad selling iPhone for cheap but meet in a backalley, bring cash. Nothing really wrong with the ad.
I got this in the mail too. As if living near the cemetery wasn't bad enough but now I get junk mail from the neighborhood boogie man…
Its to lift black magic, not to give it.
No difference then a church or other body performing an exorcism.
Yes its not usually advertised, but its never been illegal to advertise religious services?
They hand them out all the time in person near where I live, I can verify that they work 100% of the time, they helped me greatly in getting over my divorce, I didn't even have to go to the effort of getting married!
Im more of a necromage myself not a dark mage.
It is a terrible flyer, like really very bad. Criminally bad? yes.
If he is so good he should just "lucky number" himself a Tattslotto win and retire.
Seems Legit.
Fortunately or unfortunately we live in a society where people can be scammed so long as it's hidden in the guise of beliefs. religions are a multi billion dollar business.
I find myself responding in a chaotic neutral manner to this ad.
My friend's Indian ex was sick and went to a pandit for spiritual healing or whatever it is they do. He told her whatever BS he told her about karma being out of balance and to eat certain foods to recover. Turns out she has cancer instead.
I had one of these on my windscreen of my car and just threw it out. I usually assume they're all scammers. I've seen many exposed on A Current Affair and 60 Minutes. I was even approached by one that told me if I paid him money, I will get good luck. I just told him that I'd get better luck if I avoided his scam. :P
There are heaps of those guys around Parramatta. You either use or you don't.
Are there any in the indian community who would like to comment?
Is this a legitimate hindu group. I know that there are "holy men" who are followed and whose followers believe can perform miracles such as healing etc.
From my understanding those who conduct these sessions in Australia are quick scam artists, but I'd love to hear from hindu's about this.While the card in this case is from a " Hindu Guru " , i dont think that these con artists are limited to the Indian community. There are plenty of palm readers , crystal ball readers , tea leave readers , fortune tellers , people who talk to dead people and so on out there. The very fact that they continue to run a business means that that there are people paying them money for their services. To each his own , i reckon . If people want to part with their money then so be it.
He seems legit to me. He seems an expert in so many things but specialises in the removal of black magic.
Black magic matters.
If you in the market for a Black Magic, I would recommend you check out RED camera's if you can stretch your budget. The difference is noticeable.
If budget is tight, may be look at DSLR or even a mirrorless camera system.
Good luck.
Amateur! You should see what Oracle, SAP, Salesforce, ServiceNow, and most storage vendors advertise.
I think we all want to see COVID pup.
@Autonomic:
It requires one to have faith that someone else is drawing from evidence.
Don't get me wrong, I am scientific. I am mad scientific but piggy back science evangelist grinds my gears.
I'm sure you've met a few.
"Your belief is BS. Mine is backed by science."
"Oh. So how does it work?."
"That's a question for the scientist but mine is real cause the scientist checked it."
Grinds. My. Gears.