Speeding Fine - P Plater NSW

BewareOfThe Dog on 01/10/2020 - 18:12

Hi, we have an 18 year old that was caught doing 67 in a 50 zone, which obviously will be a wake up call. The offices booked him, and let him drive off, and said there would be an infringement notice in the mail. Given the amount of points involved being 4 points, and he only has 4 points on his license, he is set to lose his licence for 3 months.

Any idea how long it takes before the letter comes, or how long before he loses his licence for at least 3 months?

Any one with recent experience over the last few years, if they could give us a rough idea, it would be much appreciated.

I don't see the sense in taking it to court as he could end up with an even worse penalty, as well as court costs.

Automotive

Comments

  • BewareOfThe Dog on 01/10/2020 - 18:14
    -7

    Also, on a side note, can anyone recommend a decent GPS, with speed warnings, school zones, speed trap warnings (like Google maps on Android auto)? Dashcam optional.

    • Stewardo on 01/10/2020 - 18:24
      +7

      Waze app with gravity phone mount with Qi charging.

      • BewareOfThe Dog on 01/10/2020 - 18:26
        +6

        If only. P-platers can't use mobile phones, even in a cradle, in NSW.

        • Stewardo on 01/10/2020 - 18:30

          I didn’t know that, Can they use CarPlay?

          • BewareOfThe Dog on 01/10/2020 - 18:32

            @Stewardo: Old car (V6 Commodore) even though his father bought some expensive car stereo with a reversing camera.

            • Stewardo on 01/10/2020 - 18:40
              -1

              @BewareOfThe Dog: VL? Tell him to take the back streets.

              • BewareOfThe Dog on 01/10/2020 - 18:45

                @Stewardo: Yeah, it's a known Speed trap. IMO It should be a 60km zone(as it used to be) as it's a main throughfare, but because the way the street is, there is built-up housing. Complaints from locals etc no doubt made it this way.

              • Euphemistic on 01/10/2020 - 19:09
                +7

                @Stewardo: VL didn’t have a V6

              • Mechz on 01/10/2020 - 21:39
                +3

                @Stewardo: Wasn't the V6 introduced in the VN?

            • windale on 02/10/2020 - 12:24

              @BewareOfThe Dog: haven't you watched highway patrol or RBT they always always stop, chase or book commodore drivers. get a suzuki swift and no hassles then :)

          • BewareOfThe Dog on 01/10/2020 - 18:33

            @Stewardo: Probably, but he has a smartphone, so it needs Android Auto.

          • robberbutton on 01/10/2020 - 20:50
            +2

            @Stewardo: No carplay, no android auto, no mobile phone use of any kind on P plates in NSW.

        • WreckTangle on 01/10/2020 - 19:00

          Really?

        • sunnyc on 03/10/2020 - 00:26
          -5

          Well, just use it. It makes no sense, the government expects p platers who have very little road experience to know how to navigate without phone navigation.
          Frankly using your phone or screen device appropriately is a skill that should've been taught, people don't miraculously become good at manuals and using their phones whilst driving when they turn full license.

          Also just speed appropriately. Another lesson to be learned is using your mirrors regularly and being road aware. If he scanned the road and mirrors frequently, he wouldn't have sped and wouldn't have been pulled over.

    • apsilon on 01/10/2020 - 18:45
      +17

      Simply not speeding isn't an option?

      • BewareOfThe Dog on 01/10/2020 - 18:47
        +6

        If only. :)

        Most of us have done it, and learnt our lesson (or simply haven't been caught).

      • bobbified on 03/10/2020 - 12:12
        -8

        If noone speeds, then the gov isn't making any money. So they'll drop the speed limits again.

        One day, you'll be "speeding" - whether you like it or not!

    • hmac on 01/10/2020 - 19:41
      +1

      maybe don't speed?

      • bobbified on 03/10/2020 - 12:11

        delete

        replied wrong post!

    • Mechz on 01/10/2020 - 21:45

      You could get one of those cheap Android slim headunits to put waze on and have it permanently mounted. Or most good GPS units have a speed alert function.

    • iratepirate on 02/10/2020 - 10:02

      Garmin with lifetime maps - anything with "LMT" in the model name. 2597 LMT is a decent basic model and is worth about $50-60 with mount and cable delivered second hand.

    • mrvaluepack on 03/10/2020 - 15:55

      If your 18 year old needs something like this, he/she probably should go back to L and take the driving course again.

      If they cant pay attention to road signs, what makes you think they will pay attention to GPS with all those features?

  • dylanando on 01/10/2020 - 18:25

    Do you automatically lose your license in NSW? In qld we get to choose 3 months suspension or 12 months good behaviour.

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 01/10/2020 - 18:31

      Unsure. I assume they get suspension from a certain time.

      I once had a speeding fine, and the original went missing. My now ex-wife hid the reminder, as we were under financial stress at the time. Next thing, a letter/email comes through that my licence is suspended (and had been for a week). I rang the RTA, and they said I had to catch a bus to the RTA to make the payment, as for some reason they couldn't clear it over the phone.

      • gmail92 on 01/10/2020 - 19:46

        I think it's from the date that you pay the fine from what I've heard. So if you delay that you can delay when it is suspended I assume to just before it is due.

  • pegaxs on 01/10/2020 - 18:44
    +1

    Any idea how long it takes before the letter comes

    If my experience is any indication, months. I was pulled over for a minor offence (Put 2 left wheels over an unbroken side line) and the officer read me the riot act (me laughing and saying “ok champ” probably didn’t help).

    He said I would receive the infringement in the mail. This was in April last year. I finally got the notice in September last year, some 5 months later. That being said, I think the speeding and the points attached in your example is far more severe, so it will/should come a lot sooner than that.

    I also don’t think taking it to court would work, based on prior form and the fact that it’s not a low range offence. If you were going to pursue that course of action (needed to keep license for work/family carer) you are best seeking actual legal advice.

    Links to RMS with information you may need;
    Demerits points for learner and provisional licence holders
    Losing your license

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 01/10/2020 - 18:58
      +1

      Yes, I bet the visit from the mailman will be one that he is not looking forward to. Given that Auspost has cut back on mail deliveries, delivering letters 2 to 3 times a week, we are mainly concerned that if was driving, and he is pulled over, has an accident etc, then he will be in a worse situation.

      I've suggested that we take the car keys off him, until he receives the letter saying what happens next. Gotta catch a bus now.

  • Euphemistic on 01/10/2020 - 19:11
    +1

    Should be able to check his licence status online.

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 01/10/2020 - 19:13
      +1

      Yes, he should be able to.
      Thank you.

      • This Guy on 03/10/2020 - 15:35

        Get him to download the RMS app to check daily.

  • scupper on 01/10/2020 - 19:21
    +2

    Does the car have cruise control? I find it very useful in avoiding going over the speed limit unintentionally.

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 01/10/2020 - 19:24

      Yes. It's an area that changes quickly. I think he was a bit happy, he picked up his 1st Mowing job. No Excuse.

  • timthetoolman on 01/10/2020 - 19:25
    +1

    You should contest it if there were no signs saying not to speed

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 01/10/2020 - 19:26
      +3

      LOL. It says 50 for a reason.

      • timthetoolman on 01/10/2020 - 19:29
        +11

        I was being facetious relating to a post the other day. Nice to see a speeding post where people just cop it sweet though

        • pegaxs on 01/10/2020 - 19:47

          It’s ok, I got the reference…

  • Brooklyn on 01/10/2020 - 19:27
    -4

    Take it to court in NSW my wife got our lawyer to write a submission when she lost her licence on P plates. Cost us $80 she went to court represented herself with her letter and a few references. They try like 10 offenders in each hearing… my wife was nervous until the guy that was tried first for speeding on the M1 at 200km with 5 family members in a government car. He got off in fact they all got let off.. Haha.

    • robberbutton on 01/10/2020 - 20:52
      +7

      Doesn't set a great example for an impressionable youth.

      • Brooklyn on 02/10/2020 - 20:33
        -4

        Weren't you young once?

        • robberbutton on 03/10/2020 - 14:31
          +8

          Yes, and I managed to get off my P's without driving stupid and losing my license. Not all young people are hoons, and everyone needs to learn to accept the consequences of their actions.

        • [Deactivated] on 03/10/2020 - 15:53
          +1

          God I'm so sick of hearing this, yes I was young, in fact arguable I still am, so what? We're never going to change anything if the young are always excused. It's like they're expected to be speeding at that age.

  • Snake 4 on 01/10/2020 - 20:34
    +2

    I guess your son has eyes and can read so why does he need a GPS to warn where speed cameras, school zones are and to warn him if he's speeding?

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 01/10/2020 - 20:57

      MY Son does, but this is not my son. ;)

      • Zachary on 02/10/2020 - 16:43
        +2

        whos son is it…

    • kale chips suck on 02/10/2020 - 09:48

      So he can watch the road?

  • Orico on 01/10/2020 - 20:50
    -8

    Why does a 18 year old even need a car? lol

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 01/10/2020 - 20:58

      No job, student. freedom,and this will teach him a lesson. :)
      I'm just after experiences that other people have had.

    • bobs burgers on 03/10/2020 - 19:42

      Because we live in Australia? Stupid question

  • askme69 on 01/10/2020 - 22:22

    The officer will post or email it. Can take months. You will get a reminder notice before any final action is taken.

    When you make a paymemt or the fine goes overdue, the RMS are notified and they will send a letter advising when the suspension will start.

    This is assuming you are not contesting?

    I have seen suspensions downgraded by the court to 1 week for a p-plater.

    This is NSW

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 01/10/2020 - 22:40

      He does not have much self confidence, so i doubt he'll do well in court. He wouldn't be eligible for legal aid.

  • realfancyman on 01/10/2020 - 22:29

    In SA once you pay the fine it's forwarded to Service SA and once they process it the disqualification starts 30 days from then. They send you a letter and you have to go to Auspost to acknowledge you received it.

  • [Deactivated] on 01/10/2020 - 23:13

    If I remember correctly, they must serve you the fine within a certain time of the offence.

    I had one years ago. My lawyer told me if it came even a day late, he can get rid of it easy. Too bad for me, it got delivered on the last night.

  • MontyMacaw on 02/10/2020 - 07:57

    How’s your insurance gonna be now? That could be a reason to try for a different outcome but take the keys off him anyway if only to get him to feel the pain and learn from it. If you get caught once you will most likely have done it more often.

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 02/10/2020 - 15:12

      Shocking, though it wont be due on the car for 9 months.

      • MontyMacaw on 03/10/2020 - 08:50

        If you don’t update the insurance company with something like this you may have issues later on btw

  • User210686 on 02/10/2020 - 08:14
    -1

    Fine should appear on the NSW service app in about 2 weeks and suspension should start from the day you actually pay it.

  • HelpMeiCantSee on 02/10/2020 - 08:36

    Pretty sure all speeding fines come with a disqualification period for p players, so given he has gone over points too, he may well be suspended for longer.

  • OzHunterNSW on 02/10/2020 - 10:04
    -3

    Why even contemplate taking to Court…. oh your Honour I know I was 20kph over the limit…

    Let this be a lesson. I hope the Notice takes 6months… and that they loose their licence for 12 months.

  • IndigoHarlequin on 02/10/2020 - 10:49
    +1

    He will face 2 suspensions - one for points and one for speed. He will also be given an extended time on his red Ps.

    https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/licence/driver/p1.html#Rule…

    He will receive a letter within 28 days. Make sure his address is up to date on the app or Visit SNSW to update it. It is his responsibility to have a current address to ensure he receives the letters. Once he receives his first letter, it will spell out exactly what sanctions he will face. After he serves the speed suspension, he will reapply for a licence and then will be formally refused for another 3 months for demerit points.

    If he accrues another speeding offense, he will be disqualified from holding a licence and be required to resit a special Knowledge Test for reoffenders and will also do another Driving Test before getting it back.

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 02/10/2020 - 15:14

      Thank you.

    • realfancyman on 03/10/2020 - 01:03

      After he serves the speed suspension, he will reapply for a licence and then will be formally refused for another 3 months for demerit points.

      You have to re-apply for the 3 months to start? So if you wait for 3 months after the speed suspension, you will still be denied for another 3?

  • Heaclan on 02/10/2020 - 17:10

    misses at the time lost hers for doing 100 in a 90 and not having her licence on her (although she did and couldn't find it). took about 2 weeks for the fines to rock up. she was 18 on her P1 and took it too court and lost it for 48hrs rather than 3 months.

  • sunnyc on 03/10/2020 - 00:30

    When does he turn green p? 7 points right?

  • Findo on 03/10/2020 - 02:41

    Got done going 30km/h on a full licence last year in August. Letter came a week after and I paid the fine immediately, hoping I’d get my licence back in time for Christmas shopping. The suspension didn’t kick in until late October.

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