Smart Lock with Forced Entry Alarm

Actually its just pegaxs who seems to of taken to a personal interest in my posts.

Thanks for the suggestions.

Hi Guys,

A (female) Friend of mine found a guy she went on some dates with (never a bf) in her house, after she told him she had moved on.

Obviously this is not good.

Obviously new lock (he never had key, but she may of left it unlocked), I want a smart lock - something with a fast opening.

However my biggest worry is her opening the door and the guy forcing an entry.
So I'm looking for alarm that goes off if forced entry occurs.

Up to $500aud (I really don't want to spend $899). Looking at Samsung (because support, etc - better if a big brand - trust me on this).

Any suggestions? I'm going to get installed Monday.

Ed: Guys I have thought about this - she has on site security, guy lives in complex, owns condo, etc. So yes I have thought about various options.

->> A suggestion of X lock would be nice if any one has one.

Comments

  • +11 votes

    Were you the one in her house?

  • get a chain

    • get a large dog

    • can't they kick it in?

      • possibly, if you install it correctly it's less of an issue.

        Your alarm idea doesnt stop anything btw.

        • It will if building security hear it.

          • @IHatePeople: i think you misunderstand the difference between physical and deterrent security

            deterrents dont actually stop a crime from occuring. alarms, cameras, yappy dog etc

            • @Davo1111: But building security will come up if they hear it (or someone hears it), because its very usual.

              If there is a lot of yelling they just assume fight.

              Thats the point. I have thought about it for a while and considered a variety of options.

              1) There is already building security, so she doesn't need grills on the windows, etc
              2) She could forget to lock the door again
              3) If it has a forced entry alarm then it will attract attention

              • @IHatePeople:

                building security will come up if they hear it

                *Beeping door* - "Code RED security!! CODE RED!! Get on it!!"

                If there is a lot of yelling they just assume fight.

                *Apartment being trashed and people screaming/yelling* - "It's ok security, stand down, it's just a fight… no need to worry"

                What sort of building does she live in where security would attend a beeping door, but not a violent domestic dispute?? Maybe a change buildings would be better than the door lock.

                • @pegaxs: Actually, you would be surprised. If attacked they reckon you should shout “fire” rather than anything else. You being attacked only affects you, and people don’t want to get involved, but a fire might affect them.

                • @pegaxs: I will tell her to Sell the unit. Excellent suggestion.

                  Thanks for your advice on an electronic lock model.

                  Now please stop posting in my thread @pegaxs your advice is now tedious and non-useful.

  • Time for a stocktake of the undies drawer

  • Most of the smart locks have the ability to auto lock the door on closing, so she can’t forget to lock it.
    She should, probably, also getting an intercom with a video camera so she can see who is at the door before she chooses to open it.

    This guy does sound a worry, who the hell does that?

    If she has a second bedroom it might be a good time to have a visitor stay over, for a little while.

    • Most of the smart locks have the ability to auto lock the door on closing, so she can’t forget to lock it.

      Hay you get it!

      This guy does sound a worry, who the hell does that?

      Yeah. It was pretty weird for her.

      • It might be worth her popping down to the police station to have a chat. She doesn’t need to make an official complaint, if she doesn’t want to, but it might be worth chatting to them about what they think will work. It also means they are aware of issues if this guy is a continuing problem. She, probably, should be looking at the locks on her windows, just for completeness.

        Hopefully he got the message she didn’t want to see him again but there are a myriad of ways he could make her life miserable. If he is hanging around them document what is happening. Maybe get a badge that says “no”. Unfortunately we live in a society where making someone else’s life a misery because they “slighted you” seems to be AOK. If he does become a pest she will need your support.

        Let’s hope it is a one off and he is gone.

    • Tbh many locks can auto lock on closing

  • Multiple cameras around the house which auto upload to cloud would also be a good idea.

    • after he has killed her this will be very useful! The police will certainly appreciate the cloud bit.

  • So no-one going to say "username checkout"?

  • Why not just go to the police and have the person arrested for break and entry? Trololololol.

  • You’re not getting out of the friendzone by spending $500

  • Get security doors fitted, and change physical entry locks (use a good brand).

    She doesn't need any 'Smart' locks.

    • If she forgets to lock it, its not exactly useful.
      'Smart' locks can lock automatically.

      • 'Smart' locks can lock automatically.

        So can normal door locks.

        • Yes but then she has to carry around a set of keys and she doesn't (her phone is about it).

          • @IHatePeople: Can carry around a phone, but not a key??

            Doesn't lock doors, doesn't want to carry a key, dates losers, wont go to police or security over trespass issues by said loser. I'm starting to see a pattern here that the door lock may not be the common issue…

            • @pegaxs: Just because she comes from a different country where behaviours and expectations are different does not mean she has issues.

              She went on 2-3 dates with the guy and he delivered her some wine which she paid for (hence they went to her apartment - security took him to her floor) and then went out to dinner.
              That does not mean she has issues.

              The said loser lives in her complex. Police will not put a APVO with any distant requirements and will not jail him. Plus he could probably easily afford a lawyer. What do you think the Police are exactly going to do?

              I am trying to reduce the need for her to carry around keys, etc as she lives overseas and comes back and forth.
              She has house keys, condo keys, garage keys, multiple car keys, and now unit keys. Why is it bad she uses a fingerprint and not have to carry around a big wad of keys when she goes jogging?

              I actually find it so interesting that I ask 0zB for help - which model and I'm sitting her dealing with your mostly useless judgement calls. lol.

      • +4 votes

        Having already gone through the trauma of an unwanted visitor, should provide all the necessary motivation she needs to lock up.

        Has she reported this to the police? If not, then ensure she does so right away. Not much may come of it, but at least there is written record.

  • May I interested you in a Glock or your friend would be more comfortable with an AK?

  • What you need is a security system (cameras and monitored alarm) and to notify police (of the trespass/illegal entry), not a fancy door lock. If the guy already got in once, you think that they are going to give a shit about a noisy door lock? Sure, change the keys in case he took a copy, but there is more at play here that cant be solved with a $500 "smart lock".

    • you think that they are going to give a shit about a noisy door lock?

      Perhaps when the noise alerts building security they will.

      • If that is the case, and there is "building security" then it sounds like a (rented??) apartment/unit? You might want to check with landlord/agent/body corp./strata before you start changing locks on doors. There may be certain fire codes that restrict what sort of lock can be on those doors.

        And if security is so close that they could hear the door, why didn't she just run out of the apartment and alert them that there was someone in her apartment? And what makes you think that security will give a rats arse about a beeping noise from a door? (If they even hear it, that is.) They are that poor doing security, that the guy just got into her living space without them questioning it. What's to say they turn up to the noisy door and this guy just says "sorry about that, new door lock, still getting used to how it works" and they accept that?

        Again, this is not an issue that can be fixed with a noisy electronic door lock. The guy obviously has some sort of mental issue and the police need to be notified well before you change the type of door lock. Talk to "building security" and give them a photo and tell them that if this guy is on site, he is to be escorted off the property or police are to be alerted to his presence.

        • If it makes noise Security will come look.

          He lives in the same complex.

          She owns.

          What's to say they turn up to the noisy door and this guy just says "sorry about that, new door lock, still getting used to how it works" and they accept that?

          They won't (owner has to send them away - they log everything).

          Mental issues probably.

          • @IHatePeople: That does make of difficult.

          • @IHatePeople:

            If it makes noise Security will come look.

            "Sorry guys, new door lock. Nothing to see here" and a healthy dose of I doubt they would care, especially if he is also a building resident. (already admitted below that he has bullshitted them before with "birthday" and "seen together", this would just be another easy bullshit.)

            He lives in the same complex.

            Contact police/inform security of trespass/illegal entry.

            She owns.

            You might want to check with landlord/agent/body corp./strata before you start changing locks on doors.

            Mental issues probably.

            Contact police/inform security of trespass/illegal entry.

            This is a problem that's bigger than a new door lock. What if next time it's in the car park? What if next time it's in the garbage room? What if next time it's while she is walking home? No "noisy door lock" is going to solve those issues. She needs to attack it at the root cause, not put a $500 band aid over one issue.

            • @pegaxs:

              "Sorry guys, new door lock. Nothing to see here" and a healthy dose of I doubt they would care, especially if he is also a building resident.

              She has already told security - they will not allow him in again. Also they know her very well. Plus the logs REQUIRE Owner signature as soon as they go to a room (or two security officers or police/ambulance/fire incident code). An alarm is fine.

              You might want to check with landlord/agent/body corp./strata before you start changing locks on doors.

              There is no masterkey, other people have smart locks. The main issue BC may have is "it might not be in the look of the apartment building", this is easy for me to deal with through my work. IF (and thats a big IF) body Corp care that much, they can take it to the Tribunal. But 99/100 they won't. Locksmith are professionals who probably can install to fire code, obviously I will talk to them about it.

              Contact police/inform security of trespass/illegal entry.

              Security already know.

              What if next time it's in the car park? What if next time it's in the garbage room? What if next time it's while she is walking home?

              She lives in a different part of the complex.

              .
              We are building a massive mountain out of molehill.

              Will a new lock fix all of societys problems? No. Will a lock that costs $200 give me a bit of peace of mind - yes (for example: it locks automatically).
              And I'm not just thinking about him, but other people (cleaners, etc). So why not solve many issues all at once?

              • @IHatePeople: Further to the issue of Body Corp and Locks in case some does a future search -

                Adjudicators have also concluded that owners cannot be prevented from installing a lock on the door to their lot that is not master-keyed.

                Hedges 252 [2014] QBCCMCmr 210 (11 June 2014) and Burleigh Beach Tower [2009] QBCCMCmr 163 (24 April 2009)

                Yes Legislation is State specific, however it is precedent.

  • This is real creepy. Honestly, I would consider moving, if someone wants to get in they will and anyone that breaks in to a former girlfriends home is not a normal guy.

    • This is real creepy.

      Yes.

      She owns, so shes not going to move out.

      • In that case spend some cash and get a full back to base security system with panic alarm. Replace all locks, put locks and alarms on the windows and sensors in the roof cavity. Get security lights and as someone above said a camera doorbell. If she hasn't made a police report then get her to do that - not much the police can do but if he is on report then they may be able to do something if he comes back.
        Been there, living in fear is not a place I would wish on anyone.

  • What are her thoughts on this?

    I understand that you want to help, and good on you too.

    You have no doubt that a new lock is her intent?
    Is she doing anything about this other than talking you into doing this for her?

    Consider
    https://www.bunnings.com.au/samsung-smart-keyless-digital-de...

    Achew
    'scuse me

    • She comes from another country where… security arrangements(?) are different. In Australia we have a my home is my castle mentality. Over there people come, people go, from 7am until midnight. So where I see someone in my home, unless they are invited they are invading my property, she sees it a bit differently.

      I know the family, and they consider me a friends, so I could easily get them to pay me back, so organising say a locksmith is not me taking a lot of effort.

      Appreciate the suggestion very much!

  • Ed: Guys I have thought about this - she has on site security, guy lives in complex, owns condo, etc. So yes I have thought about various options.

    No. No you haven't. If this is all legit then she should be going to the police. Immediately.

    • As some who has interreacted with the criminal justice system and the Police both as a victim of crime and in my occupation I know exactly what the Police response is and what they will do.
      All I can do is advise and support, I cannot force someone to do anything.

      But perhaps with you infinite wisdom what do you think the police can exactly do?

      The best is a warning and some kind of APVO (probably does not fit the definition of a DVO). However as they live in the same apartment complex they cannot put any (major) distance conditions on it.

      All they can do is warn him and say do no approach her. Thats it.

      Can they charge him with trespass - perhaps, but as I said before - he has a very good excuse and from my knowledge, the Magistrates will accept it.

      • Isn't a warning for the guy better than no warning?it should definitely serve as a deterrent for the guy and shows that it has taken a more serious path.

        If it's such a big issue for you and the girl, I don't see why it can't also be done, especially considering that it doesn't really take much time/money. The least it would do, as others have said, is provide further proof for anything else that might happen.

        Get a digital lock if you need to but I fail to see why you wouldn't escalate it to the police if the matter is serious…

  • She doesn't need a smart lock, just a normal deadlock that will always be locked when closed, and a chain on the door or a crimsafe screen door

    • ^This. Not sure how a smart lock is going to change anything in this case cause any door could be kicked down no matter the lock is smart or not. Get a good deadbolt and save your money. If you are really concerned about her safety and want to put a stop to this once and for all contact the Police and get them to speak to the offender and encourage your friend to get an intervention order.