Yaris GR Rallye RRP - Same as Original Pricing for Non-Rallye GR

CrushJelly on 13/11/2020 - 08:11
Last edited 15/11/2020 - 13:28

Edit 15/11/2020

Spoke to the salesperson that Joshua (the CarAdvice journalist that wrote the article) had spoken to in the article where it refers to "dealership confirmation".

Salesperson confirmed the $49,950 pricing existed on the system for the Rallye, but also noted that it looked rather like a glitch as the orders were attached to earlier orders during the first 1,000.

When I asked him if it were possible that the Rallye be the same pricing, he said flat out "no way".

CarAdvice have gone to absolute shit lately. A simple follow up question like the one I asked would have completely debunked the entire notion of that article. It's clear the article now has zero substance attached to it.

It seems like 1,000 people have been duped by Toyota.

The original media statement released by Toyota AU on 16 September indicated an RRP for the Yaris GR of $49,500.

“It is a smart local investment that will ignite the market with an attainable pure-bred sports car that would otherwise carry a recommended retail price of $49,500."
https://www.toyota.com.au/news/toyota-invests-in-new-perform…

"The company said the initial launch offer – which amounts to a discount of close to $14,000 – is intended to help make the GR Yaris affordable to a broader range of buyers."
https://www.caradvice.com.au/883804/2021-toyota-gr-yaris-fro…

A vast majority of those 1,000 punters would have banked on the fact that they'd just saved themselves $14k.

Lo and behold, fast forward two months and Toyota AU, or rather, the dealerships, have hinted at an RRP for the Rallye of… you guessed it: $49,500.
https://www.caradvice.com.au/900747/2021-toyota-gr-yaris-ral…

Looks to me like a bait-and-switch by Toyota AU. I doubt the RRP of the of the original GR was ever intended to be $49,500 + ORC, which means that the "discount" Toyota AU so graciously gave isn't real.

The CarAdvice article now has a disclaimer:

"UPDATE: Since this article was published earlier today, Toyota Australia said the price for the GR Yaris Rallye has not been locked in, would not comment on the accuracy of the price listed in this story, and will confirm the RRP at the end of the month. Multiple dealer sources claim the price we quoted is accurate, however cautioned it could move up or down depending on manufacturer support. We will update this story if we receive any further clarification."

What a joke.

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Comments

  • brendanm on 13/11/2020 - 08:17

    39,500 is still 14,000 less than 53,900?

    • CrushJelly on 13/11/2020 - 08:22
      +2

      The $14k discount for the GR is based on the fact that it's RRP would have been $49.5k + ORC.

      But given that the GR Rallye now has an RRP of $49.5k + ORC, it seems that Toyota AU never intended on selling the original GR at its purported RRP of $49.5k + ORC.

      GR and GR Rallye are two very differently spec'd models.

      • brendanm on 13/11/2020 - 09:23

        I'm sure the ralleye isn't $14k more, so it's still a discount.

      • plmko on 13/11/2020 - 10:27
        +1

        What point are you trying it make?

        Yaris GR is now $45k, it doesn't matter what Toyota intended because the price this month is higher than the price last month.

        • CrushJelly on 13/11/2020 - 11:44
          +2

          The Yaris GR with the $39k driveaway price was represented as a $14k saving from the RRP of $49.5k + ORC.
          That $49.5k + ORC number is now redundant, owing to the fact that the higher spec GR Rallye edition will be $49.5k + ORC.

          The original savings represented were potentially misleading.

          Toyota AU might as well have said "we're going to put the RRP at $70k, so we're giving you an early-adopters saving of $30k".

          AU consumer law doesn't allow for false savings to be advertised, which is exactly what's happened.

          • spackbace on 13/11/2020 - 12:48
            +2

            @CrushJelly:

            which is exactly what's happened.

            Until the price is actually put out there by Toyota, you're fueling an unnecessary fire.

            Unless you believe everything you read on the internet. In which case, I can't wait to get my V8 TT Hilux TRD! Lol

            • CrushJelly on 13/11/2020 - 13:40
              +1

              @spackbace: The CarAdvice article refers to dealership sources.
              You're dealership. Any comments as to whether you've been given info on pricing?

              Also, did you ever manage to confirm the 6 month service schedule, or is that still up in the air currently?
              TIA

              • Circly on 13/11/2020 - 15:55

                @CrushJelly: A guy on another forum said his dealer confirmed 12 month and 15000km servicing.

                Spackbace said 6 month and 10000km in the other thread.

                Dealers aren't getting the same info it seems.

              • spackbace on 13/11/2020 - 16:12

                @CrushJelly:

                Any comments as to whether you've been given info on pricing?

                Nope!

                Also, did you ever manage to confirm the 6 month service schedule, or is that still up in the air currently?

                Still up in the air it seems. Toyota's own website seems to refer to Yaris in general, not specific to the GR

                • Circly on 13/11/2020 - 16:25

                  @spackbace: Yeah at the bottom of the order page it says something about every Yaris produced after May 2020 will need its annual (12 month) or 15000km service to keep the capped servicing.

                  Kind of implying its 12 months/10000km.

                  But yeah there have been little errors here and there on the page.

                  Last week it was saying the Rallye gets extra power! That was soon corrected.

  • Mechz on 13/11/2020 - 08:29
    -4

    50k for a Yaris, this has to be some sort of 2020 BS.

    • 2jzzzz on 13/11/2020 - 10:07
      +4

      Have a look at the car, it's flipping awesome.

      Pretend they named it something else if it helps.

      • Nugs on 13/11/2020 - 11:05
        +2

        ½jz?
        when I first read about these, I thought yep, but not so sure now. It's not WRC enough
        .

      • netjock on 13/11/2020 - 11:35

        You seen $50k in cash, that is pretty awesome.

        • pegaxs on 13/11/2020 - 13:32
          +1

          I have, and it's pretty unimpressive when it's presented in $100 notes considering how much is there…

          I remember when I was working in the poker room at a casino, and they had a $1 million(ish) first prize, they bought it out and laid it on the table for a photo shoot… Very unimpressive looking for $1 million, so much so they had to bulk it out with about 10x the amount in casino poker chips to make it look like there was more there.

          • spackbace on 13/11/2020 - 13:34
            -1

            @pegaxs: More impressive was we had someone buy a car with those prepaid Eftpos gift cards lol took 2 people to process through the EFTPOS transactions

            • pegaxs on 13/11/2020 - 13:45

              @spackbace: EFTPOS gift cards??? They weren't from the ATO by any chance?

              Christ, that would have rung alarm bells to me and I would have been straight to AUSTRAC about that. That's sketchy as. About one rung down from paying with iTunes cards…

  • bloom on 13/11/2020 - 08:57

    When I think of a Yaris GR all I can think of is Ali G
    https://youtu.be/K5UBRXOHTuM

  • TheBilly on 13/11/2020 - 09:05
    -5

    $50k for a Toyota Yaris.

    Ok.

    • Circly on 13/11/2020 - 15:56

      If they changed the name would it bother you?

      • TheBilly on 13/11/2020 - 20:15

        I dont mind the name or the car. I love Toyotas, I own a Toyota now, I have owned a Yaris, my dream car is another toyota that I cannot afford at this stage.

        Simple point is this car is not worth $50k.

        I own a hilux that I spent $60k on including modifications. Albeit a different category of car. I can effectively live out of the vehicle indefinitely. Its got battery systems, refrigeration, winch, solar power, water tanks, auxiliary lighting, four wheel drive etc. if you saw it you would say yes that is worth $60k.

        Im sure you can import a second hand first generation Nissan GTR from Japan for $50k. That's a proper supercar for the price of this.

        • spackbace on 13/11/2020 - 20:18
          +1

          Im sure you can import a second hand first generation Nissan GTR from Japan for $50k. That's a proper supercar for the price of this.

          Pleeeeease point me to a $50k GTR, we could make an easy $35,000+ profit!

          Did you just compare a 11yo car to a brand new one? Srsly? And to a Hilux?!

          It's ok to not want to own a 2-door turbo powered car, no one will think you're less manly, but don't go thinking the price is expensive for what it is, coz guess what… it's getting praise worldwide for it's price.

          Oh and Top Gear just gave the Yaris GR a score of 10/10… Not even the GTR gets that

          • TheBilly on 13/11/2020 - 20:32
            +2

            @spackbace: Topgear is irrelevant now. Im sorry. Only Chris Harris is interesting but back when he was doing Cars on YouTube. Not in Top Gear.

            https://www.tc-v.com/used_car_smart/nissan/nissan+gt-r/?si=3…

            This website is overpriced its like the Japan ebay so you will never get a deal through here, but you are getting close to my figures. There are other websites I cannot link because you have to login to Japan auction houses where you can get private importers pricing. If you shopped around and waited for the right opportunity you may just pick one up for 50k AUD.

            Did you just compare a 11yo car to a brand new one? Srsly? And to a Hilux?!

            No I didn't compare the 3 cars. I gave some examples of the point I am trying to make.

            Which is that this car is not worth $50k and is not good value for money.

            Im not saying its not as good as a GTR or Hilux or this is faster or slower.

            What I am saying is $50k is alot of money to spend on rubbish. When $50k can get you so much more.

            • spackbace on 13/11/2020 - 20:36
              +2

              @TheBilly: What can $50k buy me in a brand new car that's better around a track

              I'll wait…

              • TheBilly on 13/11/2020 - 21:24

                @spackbace: I dont disagree with you there. Brand new there are not many options. But that's also not fair because you could probably count track ready off the showroom floor cars under 100k that are brand new on one and a bit hands.

                Broaden that to second hand and I think your argument won't fall over, it will die a horrible death. Because for $50k you will take a year to contemplate all the possibilities that are better than a Yaris GR.

                Also nobody I went to track days with purchased a brand new car to do it. Maybe I hang around impoverished individuals though.

                • brendanm on 14/11/2020 - 17:09
                  +1

                  @TheBilly: Used cars are cheaper than new, more news at 7.

              • 1st-Amendment on 17/11/2020 - 14:56

                @spackbace: If you want performance get a bike. Cars are for comfort.

                • spackbace on 17/11/2020 - 14:58

                  @1st-Amendment: Sure, unless you wanna do rally racing, or drifting, etc etc. Or if you value your life when going down the 1/4 ;)

                  I've know many a car nut who also own a bike. Both can deliver different types of performance, along with different types of happiness

                • Circly on 17/11/2020 - 16:11

                  @1st-Amendment: Performance do you mean acceleration?

                  As a car beats a bike on a track.

                  • 1st-Amendment on 18/11/2020 - 08:21

                    @Circly:

                    a car beats a bike on a track.

                    Depends on the car/bike, rider/driver and track doesn't it?
                    For most real world scenarios, ie any vehicle you can afford, a bike outperforms a car. And in the most common scenario ie the daily commute, the ability to lane split makes it no contest.

                    • Circly on 18/11/2020 - 12:25

                      @1st-Amendment: That may be the case I can see the perks of a motorcycle but I can also see alot of negatives.

                      Most prospective GR owners aren't going to cross shop it with a motorcycle though.

        • CrushJelly on 13/11/2020 - 21:23

          That's an opinion, and you're right to have one.

          For a lot of other people though, it is worth $50k.

          • TheBilly on 13/11/2020 - 21:26
            +1

            @CrushJelly: Fair enough, I am much older and there is a shifting trend in the scene so I can see how people could appreciate it in a way I dont.

  • Oz8argain on 13/11/2020 - 10:26
    -1

    the GR yaris shares almost nothing with the standard yaris. I feel like it would have been better if it didn't look like the yaris.

    • plmko on 13/11/2020 - 10:29
      +7

      Well for one the intended audience will know it has to look like a Yaris to be a Yaris in order to compete in the WRC.

  • rockman117 on 13/11/2020 - 10:59

    the question is if the performance pack ($54k drive away) is worth an extra $9k on the standard model (now $45k drive away).

    • CrushJelly on 13/11/2020 - 13:51
      +2

      It definitely is.
      Two LSDs, lighter wheels, Michelin PS4S', stiffer suspension (probably just uprated springs). That's worth around $9k for factory fitted options.

  • Bid Sniper on 13/11/2020 - 11:15
    +5

    Early adopters always get rammed, doesn't matter what product. Ask Tesla and Apple owners for tips on acceptance

    • Circly on 13/11/2020 - 15:57

      Toyota said they would look after their early adopters… Oof. Jokes on them.

    • Member 0230 on 17/11/2020 - 18:22

      I don't know much about Tesla resale.

      I know Apple gear is pricey, but my personal experience as a PC builder of old - like the 90s and Green Guide days - and more recently as a Mac owner, is that my Macs and iPhones hold their resale value really well: I resold my Macs at 55-60% of retail every 12 months during my salary sacrifice days: almost zero turnover cost.

      Haven't resold in the last few years so things may have changed?

      • Bid Sniper on 17/11/2020 - 20:01

        Two words in regards to Apple in reference to my post; Trash Can

        • Member 0230 on 17/11/2020 - 20:07

          Ah. I know nothing about their resale. That bad huh?

  • johndoe89 on 13/11/2020 - 11:18

    another awesome drift machine… but that exhaust sound is pathetic..

    • Circly on 13/11/2020 - 15:58

      HKS has already come out with an exhaust. Has that deeper rumble and "pops and bangs" now.

      If thats your thing.

  • netjock on 13/11/2020 - 11:36

    Price drop because the poor person paying extra $9k for Yaris is subsidizing the GRs.

  • spackbace on 13/11/2020 - 12:42
    -2

    Yaris GR Rallye RRP - Same as Original Pricing for Non-Rallye GR

    I'd be careful about making factual statements to fuel discussion, given that even Car Advice have a disclaimer now (the same journo's that have many click-bait articles around the 'LC300')

    • CrushJelly on 13/11/2020 - 13:45
      +2

      I've already included the disclaimer in my original post.

      If you take note of the language used, I've steered away from using definitive language and instead used "seems", "hinted" etc.

      Sorry, but no factual statements made here, thanks.

      • spackbace on 13/11/2020 - 15:55
        +1

        Sorry, but no factual statements made here, thanks.

        You sure about that…?

        Yaris GR Rallye RRP - Same as Original Pricing for Non-Rallye GR

        • CrushJelly on 13/11/2020 - 18:32

          If you make a habit of judging books by their cover (title) without attempting to understand the detail and context of all the following information provided (main body of text), then sure - but that's on you.

          • spackbace on 13/11/2020 - 18:55

            @CrushJelly: Last I checked, your title is a statement ;)

            • CrushJelly on 13/11/2020 - 21:19
              +1

              @spackbace: No, it's not. It's a brief introduction to the topic of discussion - which is to discuss opinions on if the RRP for both turn out to be the same.

              A factual statement title would have read "Toyota AU misleads buyers by confirming identical RRP for Rallye and standard GR variants."

              But I didn't include that now, did I?

  • nephilim on 13/11/2020 - 12:45

    Its confusing anyway, Carwow stated the rally pack is 3,000 pounds, why they charge aussies 10k?

    Its like Nissan and Subaru over again, cheaper to import the parts from Japan for 1/2 price (see Nissan S-Tune, STi) .

    • rockman117 on 13/11/2020 - 14:55

      1 GDP = 1.8 AUD, distribution, smaller population - economy of scale - we've always had to pay more. it's the tax of being so isolated geographically.

      • Brick Tamland on 13/11/2020 - 16:43

        Economies of scale doesn't really matter here because the car is a limited run, so the cost is a bit more fixed.

    • Circly on 13/11/2020 - 16:05
      +2

      It's because the UK get a Convenience Pack (the base version in Australia) and the Circuit Pack.

      The Circuit pack does not come with certain goodies such as JBL sound system, heated seats and steering wheel, blind spot monitoring.. And other convenience/luxury features…

      It appears the Aussie Rallye version will be the Convenience and Circuit pack together?

      • spackbace on 13/11/2020 - 16:45

        It appears the Aussie Rallye version will be the Convenience and Circuit pack together?

        Yep, which the UK don't get

  • Circly on 13/11/2020 - 16:07
    +1

    If what Car Advice reported is true then I THINK ACCC have a case.

    But we should probably hold our horses until it's been announced officially by Toyota.

    Car Advice have gone downhill last few years.. The previous article about the GR Yaris and how the reviews were divided was trash and just a click bait piece.

  • Brick Tamland on 13/11/2020 - 16:53
    +1

    I am still really confused why people are getting so mad about this. Why do you get mad at getting a discount?

    • Circly on 13/11/2020 - 18:15
      +2

      Idk ask the ACCC why they would get mad over this (if true).

      https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/advertising-promotions/fal…

      • Brick Tamland on 14/11/2020 - 08:38
        +1

        But why?
        Toyota advertised special introduction price for 1000 cars, those cars got sold and the intro price ended and the price went up. What is misleading?

        The only people that may have a reason to be frustrated are the ones who bought it with the intention of flipping for a profit.

        It’s a pretty common pricing strategy to have a RRP and a promotion price. We purchased a Hyundai recently and they had a pricing book which showed RRP and then their pricing. Do cars ever get sold at their RRP?

  • brendanm on 13/11/2020 - 18:02
    +1

    Car Advice ≠ Toyota advertised price

  • bloom on 13/11/2020 - 18:06

    The real question is whether the Yaris GR can be fitted with roof racks for my kayak!?

    • brendanm on 13/11/2020 - 22:20

      Silly question. Buy first, ask later.

  • KMeister on 13/11/2020 - 23:55

    Wait for an official announcement, until then don't belive this trash from all of these "experts".

  • whitelie on 14/11/2020 - 00:14
    +1

    I would imagine they initially planned for the GR to be 50k and the Rallye +5-10k on top. Launched the GR at the discounted price, sold all allocated stock and raised the price. Sales then slowed so re-evaluated and kept GR pricing here (perhaps for now, maybe it's still a discounted promo price) and lowered the price of the Rallye before launch but kept the same 5-10k difference between models. If the GR goes up to the full "planned" price, then the Rallye will too.

    Regardless, I think the Rallye is the one to get (unless you nabbed a GR at the intro price) but it is a lot of money for a car if you're not going to take it on a track at least a few times a year.

  • [Deactivated] on 14/11/2020 - 23:20

    At the end of the day, RRP is merely a number.
    $40k is good value for the car. I don't think people would pay RRP. European cars are the worst offenders with RRP.

    OP has right to vent, because practice is shady. But then, deposit is refundable. So yea…

    • Circly on 15/11/2020 - 11:44

      At the end of the day dealers would happily refund.

      However, T&C's for the pre order clearly said 3 day cooling off period.

      • Circly on 15/11/2020 - 11:52
        +1

        To me it's shady as:

        1) Toyota represented the promo as a much bigger deal than it eventually was Ie. 45k DA price VS 50k + orc. (assuming it never comes back to RRP)

        2) they sold it as 1000 at 40k and 100 at 45k. Certain sources say over 1400 have sold… Yet it's still at 45k?

        3) some people like myself would have rushed out to put their money on ASAP in fear of missing out. I don't believe they really thought it would take 12-18 months to sell 1000.

        4) rallye model was always going to be a tier higher which implies higher cost. If it indeed is 53k DA I can see why people are annoyed.

        Again those that got it at 40/45 have got an amazing car for the price. But they way it's been handled has definitely soured some people's experience. Especially because lots have had minimal info from their dealer for delivery time frames.

  • CrushJelly on 15/11/2020 - 13:27
    +1

    Spoke to the salesperson that Joshua (the CarAdvice journalist that wrote the article) had spoken to in the article where it refers to "dealership confirmation".

    Salesperson confirmed the $49,950 pricing existed on the system for the Rallye, but also noted that it looked rather like a glitch as the orders were attached to earlier orders during the first 1,000.

    When I asked him if it were possible that the Rallye be the same pricing, he said flat out "no way".

    CarAdvice have gone to absolute shit lately. A simple follow up question like I asked would have completely debunked the entire notion of the article. It's clear the article now has zero substance attached to it.

    • spackbace on 15/11/2020 - 22:46
      +1

      It's clear the article now has zero substance attached to it.

      A la a whole bunch of their LC300 'reporting'

    • whitelie on 15/11/2020 - 22:55
      +3

      JD does so much "speculative" journalism it's ridiculous. We used to troll him all the time on an old HSV forum, creating threads with "inside information" on upcoming models…Next day an article would come out with the same BS we'd just made up lol

    • spackbace on 15/11/2020 - 22:46

      Yeah a couple of dealers in WA have their demo already, still waiting for ours

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