Will You Be Trying to Boycott Chinese Products?

Hey All

With the diplomatic row between Aus and China over the last few weeks culminating in the tweets from the Chinese embassy, there’s been an obvious rising of tensions between the countries.

Given how ridiculous and ironic china’s position is, to have the gall to call out Australia for human rights abuses do you feel more strongly about trying to avoid products manufactured in China?

The report itself was Australia holding itself to account, it could have easily been covered up never to see the light of day but Australia relative to the rest of the world is one with more integrity than that.

I don’t see how China could ever lecture a country like Australia when it comes to war crimes/human rights abuse given their long track record, most notably the persecution of the Uighur population as well numerous other violations ranging from censorship to imprisonment/torture of dissidents. I don’t see China holding itself to account for those crimes anytime soon.

I like the idea in theory of boycotting Chinese made products but the reality is unfortunately from my perspective is that the supply chain is far too integrated in China to be able to boycott anything. Hopefully western businesses are more incentivised now to move their supply chains away from China but that will a long and slow process over many years possibly decades.

So TLDR will you be trying to avoid Chinese made products or are we in a situation that these products are so pervasive with our current lifestyles there’s nothing we can really do at the moment.

Edit: Poll added. Good suggestion.

Poll Options

  • 839
    Yes I will and do avoid Chinese made products wherever I can
  • 34
    Yes but only if the equivalent product is the same price and quality
  • 333
    Would like to avoid but can’t because of limited choice/availability/price
  • 239
    Don’t care whatever’s cheapest
  • 133
    Don’t care at all and would still buy Chinese made even if there was a choice of equivalent produc

Comments

    • You forget the basics of business.

      All these Chinese craps are bought by consumers because its cheap. Sure we all like good quality products however if Business like Kmart and BigW or consumers like you and me are not willing to pay for much better quality products for much higher prices, how do you expect factories in China to make much better quality products for less than what the business is willing to pay?

      At the end of the day, if all good are like iPhone quality, everyone will need to pay alot more.

      Same goes with people talking about China buying up all the Aussie made goods, don't forget at the other end of the transaction there is also a SELLER willing to SELL, yes AUSSIE SELLERS!

      Everything goes both ways so you can blame squarely on China making sh*t quality good if consumers are not willing to pay for it.

      I for one hate some of the crap quality goods made in China however I am not willing to pay more so the blame are squarely on me been cheap.

      Because at the end of the day no one put a gun to your head asking you to buy China Made goods, IT IS YOUR CHOICE AND YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!

      By the way have you ever thought about without cheap products that are made in China, how you think the lower paid workers is going to afford the little luxury they have left once all the bills are paid? As not everyone are paid $100k a year.

      My new job is only $50k and I have the whole family to feed on. There is no way I can afford quality goods as it will cost more!

    • I avoid China made products whenever I can.

      This you?

  • +4

    I think most of bunnings and Kmart is Chinese products. Not sure how you can boycott without hurting Australian businesses as well.
    China is a bully, no doubt, but what was said in the tweet wasn't that wild honestly. It was a disgrace and sure China took advantage of it.

  • LNP has been shirtfronting the chinese for years and they're surprised that there has been a reaction? And they want me to pearl clutch about a meme on twitter?
    Give me a break, how gullible do they think I am

  • Its Diplomatic between one guy I dont know using a social media platform I dont use sending a doctored photo I havent seen about atrocities in war. All war is atrocious, and so is this one guy's attempt at being diplomatic and being fruitful in a position of power.

    The more you subscribe to another Government or system, the less you subscribe to your own. Do more for yourself this Christmas, and dont contribute attention to these people/news stories and/or their failures to work effectively, resourcefully and compassionately together.

    Learn how to get by without spending money or time on things you dont need.

  • +2

    Should buy myself a Taiwan flag from there :)

    • Now I think, it probably isn't allowed, or knowingly allowed bahaha..

    • There is no such a thing call taiwan flag.
      Its Republic of China!
      Yes, anothe China.

      • I have heard Taiwanese called China their West Taiwan.

        • Dont just follow someone's saying.
          follow the facts.

      • -1

        And you're part of the problem.
        Taiwan exists, just because China doesn't like it the world shouldn't have to bow to their stupid demands and accept it.

  • China got us by the balls and we know it. It’s always bad business when you rely on a single and biggest customer which is in total control. If you want their money then you have to put up and shut up. If you don’t like what they are doing then you need to diversify and look for other trade partners.

    I think this is a great wake up call to Australia. We knew this would be coming and now that it’s here what would Australia do about it? I would personally support whatever actions that the Australian government take.

    • +1

      almost completely agree with you, but i wouldn't characterize this as "China got us by the balls and we know it."

      i think this is a good thing for us, as we will diversify our trade and we will be better for it long term.

  • +1

    Particularly for iron ore, China unhappy for decades over prices paid, has had no choice but to buy, for reasons of quantity required and the needed reliability of supply.

    Main driver along, with other commodities, for both investment and the accompanying political games in Africa. Also the growing ties with Brazil, to extent that they appear very happy to see huge chunks of Amazon rainforest destroyed, on path to becoming intended main recipient of Brazil's beef exports.

    Here is an article from, just today, highlights trajectory of some things -
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/dec/02/could-china…

  • +4

    Taiwan mention, above.
    If and further angering China, you view Taiwan as an independent nation and one with potential to remain that way, with support, one practical way is to buy product manufactured in the categories where they compete. With regard to certain products, Taiwan the only place still competing.

    Widely acknowledged great electronics, not least on OzBargain with Gigabyte frenzy… Otherwise, be it an occasional garden implement or other tool sold at Bunnings, still made there, or just a container of some sort, maybe eight/nine times out of ten relative to Made in China, you will be buying better quality - workmanship, metal, less volatile rubber and plastic, etc.

    The Taiwanese know what they're up against, and I think some considerable pride is taken in being able to produce at least somewhat better quality products than the PRC do, still, at given pricepoints set.

  • +10

    You need an option - "I will virtue signal but secretly I've bought everything I can from China".

  • +7

    FYI: France and US back Australia on this because China import France wines and US barley instead of Australia now.

    Boycotting Chinese Products doesn't seem to be a joke, it is a joke.

    • +5

      Also also China is now buying beef from Indonesia.

      Have a thought for the farmers in here, they are indeed struggling.

      US just throw Australia under the bus and Scott M is still laughing like an idiot thinking he has done Australian a favour.

      自己被美国卖了还在帮人家数钱

      • -1

        we speak stralian here m8 not asian :P

        • i guess the joke flew over the head of some butt hurt people

      • -1

        most of the CCP trolls on western media or bots or someone with brain as bit as a bot. I think we should do what India did and ban weibo and wechat so that the local Chinese here turn mainstream instead of having loyalty to China.

        • Censorship is NOT ever the way to go. You are basically advocating making us just as bad as China.

        • who uses weechat anyway when you got whatsapp telegram viber. ive noticed only Chinese people use it in australia

        • Oh, indians

    • +10

      What a stupid comment, many Chinese restaurants are owned and operated by 2nd and 3rd gen Australian Chinese. Maybe we should just line up all the Chinese regardless and send them back eh???

      By the way Chinese food is still better than KFC and Macs

      I am downvoting you

      • -4

        I don't know where you got your feeling from, I can also say lots of Chinese restaurants are opened by 2nd and 3rd gen Chinese riches.

        By the way, good that you can only bought up junk food to compare with Chinese food, lol.

        • +5

          You can tell by their accents, very easy to tell if they are newly migrated or second or third gen.

          Perhaps we should learn from WORLD's GUARDIAN ANGELS USA, they round up the all the Japanese on USA Soil at the WW2 and put them in a special camp known as Japanese Internment?

          https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/japanese-america….

          Down vote for you!

          • +1

            @Aerith-Waifu: Hmm interesting. Sounds like something similar going on at about 1000 - 2000 times that scale at some place in the world at the moment.

            • +1

              @maxyzee: If you are refering to the lock down in China then yes, however most Chinese citizen accepted it is the best cause of action moving forward.

              Source: Friend and family in China who are rather government doing something rather than a president in some other country doing absolutely nothing.

              Australia Government and NZ government gets full mark for the early actions by the way. Lock down is the only option when millions are at stake. Unlike their European and US counterparts.

              • +1

                @Aerith-Waifu: No I'm definitely not referring to that. That is a general lockdown of citizens to slow the spread.

                You referred to this https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/japanese-america…
                So something similar where a particular ethnic group was targeted and then incarcerated for no good reason. Doesn't ring any bells?

                • +2

                  @maxyzee: Free the Uyghurs. Am I close to the mark?

                  • +4

                    @LordPanda: you mean free isis terrorists like what our government wants or didn't you know 20,000 isis fighters still out there are Uyghurs?

                    oh and promote that other terrorist group turkistan whatever it is while you're at it…

                    Meanwhile we'll steal oil money from east timor, jail legitimate refugees fleeing genocide…. and support it elsewhere for a few bucks

                    • +1

                      @petry: Yes imprisoning 1.5 million residents and completely destroying a cultural identity is perfectly rational and reasonable thing for a government to do. Also I wonder what would drive that, what kind of injustices and persecution would drive somebody to take that sort of step.

                      You mean East Turkistan the name of the nation state of the group wanting to fight for the rights of the people facing oppression from an authoritarian regime? I suppose the Dalai Lama is another dangerous terrorist leader hey.

                      We as in we Australians?

                      Seems like Tshow is right there are quite a few wumao (50 cent) army around. Didn’t realise that was really a thing here till now. Judging by your comment history on this particular post you’ve made 13.50 so far.

                      • +2

                        @maxyzee: In reference to the wumao thing only, I agree many of the pro china comments aren't very articulate.

                        However, by castrating anyone with a non-china bashing view, doesn't that make us hypocrites in our core beliefs of freedom of speech/expression of an opinion?

                        It seems petry doesn't have an opinion which is well researched, but so do many of the posters on here, the majority would just be read what is convenient and follow the click bait headline.Labelling every single one of them wumao just turns ozbargain into reddit or twitter.

                        • -1

                          @CalmLemons: Yes agree not every non China bashing commenter would be a wumao.

                          Just with Petry and his comment history plus several others seems to be just quick one liners with no substance behind them.

          • @Aerith-Waifu: I meant your feeling of "many". Of course you can tell if you walk in every shop and speak to the owner (only if that is the true owner behind lol).

      • +1

        Most of the ones I spoke to are still loyal to CCP. its worrying that we have moles in our midst.

  • +7

    I don't really care about politics.
    So I just buy whatever I want. Not like I have money to spend anyway.

    • Best comment of the thread.

  • +6

    No, I can tell the difference between a government and a worker.

    We get screwed by our government every day. Why would we screw citizens of another country for the combined actions of our government and theirs.

    If you want to stop the embargo, vote out Scotty from marketing for a protectionist or an apologist government. Or even better, vote for a party that puts forward someone who can work with others, like some one who can work with the state governments during record setting bush fires, or the state governments during a pandemic, or even just the state governments when everything is going well.

    • We get screwed by our government every day

      Really? Australia is great and you're kidding yourself if you feel your Chinese made purchases are helping any poor individuals over there rather than lining the fat pockets of both the CCP and corporations.

      • +1

        Where did I say poor? I am sure most business owners in China are similar to business owners in the west. Let's leave the xenophobia for the pollies.

        Our government screwed over the minerals and agriculture industry's with populist politics stirring up China.
        Our government killed 908 Australians by screwing up the covid response (thankfully state government's eventually stepped up).
        Our government screwed over the logging and regional hospitality industry's with their lack of coordination or support during the fires.
        Our government screwed over millennial's and younger, the finance and innovative green tech by walking back carbon trading.
        Our government screwed over tax payers by turning the NBN into an extended jobs program.

        The previous government screwed over millennial's and younger by raiding the future fund for the NBN.
        The previous government screwed over boomers and older, the finance minerals and manufacturing industries by introducing the carbon tax… etc

        If they are proactive, they screw over the old guard. If they reactive, they screw over the next generation and innovators.

        We signed a free trade deal with China five years ago. This deterioration is the current government's fault and has nothing to do with everyday Chinese people.

        • -1

          It's not xenophobic to dislike the CCP or even to preference those living in the same country as you but nice try at bringing racism and xenophobia into everything. Plenty of difference in culture and race in Australia and Australians.
          Of course it has nothing to do with everyday Chinese people - I'd still rather support local. Local Chinese restaurant - sounds good although my preference runs towards Thai food. Oh no, is that racist too? Gtfo

          You could list another few hundred legitimate cases of issues with the Australian government and you still wouldn't convince me relatively that they are screwing us. Supporting local doesn't just "screw citizens of another country", it supports our citizens at a difficult time.

          • @sakurashu: Dude, you are arguing with a straw man. Do you want some time alone with it?

            I didn't say any of that. I said I think it is stupid to try to hurt people in another country when our leaders are the one's causing the problems.

            'Buy local' is stupid because nothing is made here. If you want to make a difference, buy local made for the five things you can (ok, maybe 10).

            I am not going to convince you of anything. You are a stranger on the internet, the one source of all truth. But it's great that you ignore poor Australians, mentally ill Australian's, Indigenous Australian's, Australian veterans, retired Australian's, young Australian's, female Australian's, progressive Australians, etc. The only people not screwed over are middle class and higher conservative males, but all I ever hear on talk back is how making life equal for those other groups is destroying their way of life.

            • @This Guy: Didn't say any of what?

              Plenty of things are made and grown here and you're continually making assumptions that the primary purpose of such a boycott is to hurt people in another country; I'm merely pointing out that there is another purpose you're missing.

              Ironic that claiming that I am ignoring disadvantaged Australians is the strawman you're carrying around - my comment around it being nonsense that the Australian government is screwing us all was deliberately clarified with the word relatively as in relatively to other countries' governments.

              Making "life equal" through misguided attempts of things like affirmative action rather than a focus on equal education opportunities is a huge joke. Hire ratios at completely disproportionate rates to those qualified in that field? Do you agree with that too? Definitely not the topic of argument here but I'm game

              • @sakurashu: If you want to argue with yourself you don't need me.

                Equal education opportunities is a joke. Disenfranchised groups don't suddenly become unoppressed when you let them enroll in schools. Look at Indigenous participation.

                Indigenous populations have been granted 'equal access' to education for close to 50 years. But for the first 40 years there was a significant difference in educational outcomes between Indigenous and non Indigenous students.

                Indigenous NGO's formed in the early 2000's that provided Indigenous students with extra educational programs, focusing on Indigenous culture. In the populations served, the difference in outcomes reduced greatly. Anecdotally the difference would swing the other way if only the program participants were included. And the children who didn't participate were often from inter-generational impoverished homes, skeptical of outside intervention (the stolen generation might be old news but plenty of folks still deal with institutional racism).

                Anyway, idea's you had that you are trying to pin on me:

                [I am] continually making assumptions that the primary purpose of such a boycott is to hurt people in another country
                I don't understand the concept of "relatively"
                [I want to make] "life equal" through misguided attempts of things like affirmative action
                [I am responsable for] Hire ratios at completely disproportionate rates to those qualified in that field
                [I believe it is] xenophobic to dislike the CCP
                [I think it is xenophobic] to preference those living in the same country
                I think having taste buds makes you racist ("I'd still rather support local. Local Chinese restaurant - sounds good although my preference runs towards Thai food. Oh no, is that racist too?")
                [I think that Chinese people are] poor individuals (the Xenophobic comment I called you on).

                Putting foolish ideas in your opponents mouth stops you from notice all the dumb stuff they actually say. I am sure there is plenty I wrote that you think is stupid. Try replying to what I wrote this time instead of ranting about the CCP and SJW's.

                I believe in you sakurashu. I believe you have the ability to read, and even comprehend, what I have written!!!

                • @This Guy: Continually making assumptions that the primary purpose of such a boycott is to hurt people in another country, from:

                  Why would we screw citizens of another country for the combined actions of our government and theirs.

                  I never implied you are responsible for hire ratios at disproportionate rates, merely that that might be something you agree with.

                  Believe it's xenophobic to dislike the CCP or preference those living in the same country, from:

                  Let's leave the xenophobia for the pollies.

                  Why do you even bother with the intellectual superiority complex drivel instead of focusing on the content and posting half as much? I can do it too hey?

                  Chinese people on the whole are very poor - that's not xenophobic. I apologise that it took me so long to realize that you don't know what xenophobia is.

                  Equal education opportunities is a joke. Disenfranchised groups don't suddenly become unoppressed when you let them enroll in schools. Look at Indigenous participation.

                  You're right - they don't suddenly become unoppressed, but it's the correct long term-fix alongside other cultural difference issues. It's the short-sightedness of trying to over-correct issues in the short-term that's a joke. I also disagree strongly that they've had "equal access" for 50 years. Schooling in rural communities is complete garbage compared to Inner-city areas

  • +4

    if you didnt choose the second last option "Don’t care whatever’s cheapest" you are not a real ozbargainer and you should hand in your card.

  • +4

    We're all up in arms about this, comparing Chinese crimes as being worse than Australia's crimes, but one does not excuse the other. This is just a distraction.

    • +3

      one does not excuse the other.

      Absolutely.

      But its how one deals with the aftermath that intrigues me.
      We are bringing our crimes to sunlight.
      CCP continues to box in the deepest darkness of theirs.

  • +11

    the aus government had some balls to stand up and say we f@*ked up and we are sorry for the sh!t we did in Afghanistan, ill tip my hat to that. I personally still think the families need to be compensated and things need to be done to make sure it never happens again, but a ballsy move by the government unlike say America where they would have buried the story and it would never have seen the light of day.

    the Chinese on the other hand lol.. hypocrisy at its finest, Muslim concentration camps of ethnic uyghurs people in china for ethnic cleansing which are still running to this day.. the likes of which we haven't seen since the hitler days of WWII with the jew concentration camps. sit the f8#K down china you are in no position to talk or have an opinion on this matter. the pot calls the kettle black

    • +6

      Didn't the Australian Government only stand up and says we stuffed up after the report came out? Or did they do it voluntarily?

      • +3

        Didn't the Australian Government only stand up and says we stuffed up after the report came out? Or did they do it voluntarily?

        who knows?

        But one thing is for sure, we didn't kill the report/reporter for it. If the boot was on the other foot (CCP foot), we all know what they'd try to do. They already do it religiously with anything that makes the CCP look bad.

        The first man who tried to inform the world about covid 19, was reprimanded and died.

        • +2

          5 years after the stories were breaking a small underfunded report detailing the tip of the iceberg…and the reporters were arrested…and the witnesses - well a lot of em are dead now - no justice for them and no vindication…just left to rot…the australian way…

          • +1

            @petry: You simply can't reason with these numpties, Petry.

      • +2

        @ Aerith-Waifu yes which is still something china would not do if they were caught in a similar situation, at least they are not running concentration camps for ethnic cleansing like your government is

        • +2

          murdoch has spoken….

          • +1

            @petry: f#*k Sky news Australia and the entire Murdoch empire fake news channels

  • +6

    I already avoid buying Chinese products, except I own a Lenovo clock, a Xiaomi air purifier and Taiwanese products such as an Asus laptop because they're democratic and are resisting China's influence.

    Brands I choose for tech include Sony, Samsung and Google. They make very premium alternatives too, in terms of how they last and function. No one needs to buy Chinese products - research the specs and watch reviews, and you'll realise crap from TCL and Huawei are inferior.

    • my tcl tv is pretty good tbh

      • You should watch Fear Of Missing Out on YouTube. He compared these things well.

  • I think Japan should be left off the leash big time with the agreement after WW11 for weapons only for defence mainly . Aust , US and world interests would benefit greatly .

    • +1

      The only leash Japan is on is a self imposed one. The defense only rule can be removed any time by the government but it has repeatedly been voted down in Japan. FYI I think they are smart in this, an increasing aggressive stance will only antagonize the situation till an incident occurs. More weapons is not how this problem will get solved.

  • +1

    Just buy what you feel is right.
    Support local where you can but at the end of the day make informed decisions about purchases and don't judge the individual companies based on their origin alone.

    We are so easily swayed by everything we hear and read on the "news" that are twisted in the narratives of each country/party involved.

    Getting caught up in the immature government Twitter fights doesn't really help anyone unfortunately. Shame on both governments.

  • +2

    "I don’t see how 'Australia' could ever lecture a country like 'China' when it comes to war crimes/human rights abuse."

    Fixed for you.

    • +4

      last 20 years China has improved and australia has gone down the shitter so that's about right…

      • I feel like HK citizens might disagree with you - HK students living in Australia certainly do

  • India had tried really hard but ended up importing more from China.
    Is there going to be a similar trend for Australia?

  • +12

    Interesting how Australia is focusing on China’s tweet, and not on the war crimes committed by their own solders.
    Apparently, China’s tweet is “Breaking News”, but these war crimes are not.

    Have you seen how Australian soldiers are treating the Afghan people?
    Has the Australian media ever shown these images to you?

    WARNING: graphical images and video


    https://imgur.com/a/1qz3UfV


    "Do you want me to drop this c!nt?"
    Declassified helmet-cam footage shows Australian Special Forces shoot & kill an unarmed, defenseless Afghan farmer.
    3 shots from the close range.
    The whole thing, from landing to killing, takes less than 3 minutes.

    https://twitter.com/evazhengll/status/1333426352582774785

    • +3

      Interesting how Australia is focusing on China’s tweet, and not on the war crimes committed by their own solders.

      Who says where Australia's focus? can one not have more than one focus?

      Have you seen how Australian soldiers are treating the Afghan people?
      Has the Australian media ever shown these images to you?

      Why have we been able to see this? because we ourselves are appalled by it and we bring it to light.
      What you should be worried about are the things that are kept in the dark, look no further than the CCP at covering things that makes their "face look bad".

      • +2

        Geesus mate, it was all over the news and 4 Corners freaking weeks/months ago. There were already rumblings of an investigation into SAS misconduct/crimes years ago.

        For example, SAS Ben Roberts Smith has been fighting against claims of war crimes for the past several years. It was all over the news. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-02/court-hears-ben-rober…

        He was still featured prominently at the War Memorial when I was there last year.

        • +4

          So?

          Tienanmen square occur happaned like 30 years ago, and still we can't get news of it in China. Don't call it like these things are happy memories we bring top of mind every year.

          • +1

            @cloudy: OzBargain's conversation thread system is a bit confusing to me. I was replying to reeeom and not you Cloudy.

      • +1

        its been on telly - no-one cared - but if you live in a really shitty glasshouse why keep throwing stones at others?

        except if you were told to heh scummo?

      • +1

        You cognitive dissonance is breath-taking, Cloudy. You will excuse blatant murder because the story was leaked, and thus is being brought to light. Give me a break, ffs

        • +1

          I have excused no one. People will need to brought to account, that is occurring.

          I am simply saying this isn’t being covered up. A number of reports claim Uygurs are also dying in the hands of CCP. I am comparing and contrasting the difference in how governments deal with it.

          Not to mention these war crimes are exposed by ABC, fully funded by our government. Can you imagine global times reporting anything bad about the CCP? They wouldn’t dare report Xi farting if it occurred.

          But please take a break. Your thoughts are better off else where.

    • +4

      Ahhh it was all over the news the previous week, effectively took over the US election and COVID-19 coverage in all media outlets. Quite a few opion peices as well questioning how such a thing could ever occur.

      Also would China be a country that would investigate the bad behaviour of it's own soldiers and then bring it to light, let journalists scrutinise it and then put those perpetrators to justice?

      • +2

        no it would just execute them - less likely to happen again….reckon the afghans would have preferred that

    • +1

      The issue here is hypocrisy.
      The CCP should not be having a go at Australia while at the same time are committing genocide in their own country. At least Australia acknowledges it happened.

  • +12

    I personally think Australia should stop riding America's D!ck and we should start building our own military so we can defend our own nation and so we will stop getting dragged into unjust wars of America. we got the damn money to do it its just the politicians need to wake the F#*k Up and realize that America is not the answer, we have given way more than we have received.

    • +1

      Yeah I don't think we have 700 billion USD to spend anually on defence. I like the idea in theory but there is no way that Australia would match the US in terms of military spending. It's the whole reason why NATO exists, the US is the massive big brother that will come and save your skin if Russia tries anything.

      • +3

        yeah dream on -america steps up if it suits america - if it don't you are on your own.

        • +1

          And if you are on your own Aust will fall in 5 secs to China . Just the facts .
          I’d seriously think going nuclear at this present point .

      • i didn't say we should spend 700 billion or never did i say we need to match Americas spending in military which is hugely overkill, look at russia with 65 billion budget it probably has the 2nd strongest military in the world.

      • +1

        Their freakng 700 billion usd is for their own goodness. Nothing to do with us. Wake up. If you f*%ked up with US, their 700 billion worth missiles will be above our head. Just wake up from that fancy five eyes brotherhood bull shit. Same thing between China and Russia.

        • You're going to ruffle a few feathers

    • We have lots of agreements and training with Singapore's heavy military - it's just we don't have the population or the funding on the same scale

  • +7

    I already avoid Chinese goods when possible, especially food.
    We send all our high quality foods like fresh seafood, meat, dairy and fruits to sell in china while they send us back the lowest quality processed trash foods. Aussies need to wake up before it is too late.

    And it has absolutely nothing to do with the stupid tweet.
    As far as that goes the Australian government played itself by demanding an apology when China never apologies for anything. Should have completely ignored it. Or put the focus on China and their concentration camps. AU and US governments both have greater intel on the concentration camps and could strategically release and use the information to embarrass China.

    • +2

      Don't think that's a controversial position to take; even the Chinese try to avoid packaged / processed food from China.

    • No one is stupid to trade high quality foods with low quality rubbish either way. It is for both sides needs and price to pay.

      Also nature of trade war is not a war, it is a trade. No one puts a gun on your head to force the trade.

      At the end of the day, we will lose of the trade war considering one third of our exports goes to China market, while only 3% of China exports comes in to Aus.

      talking about boycutt made in china is not that easy while you are in a supermarket comparing a $20 Aus made water bottle against a $2 China made one next to it.

      • -1

        You are totally wrong, we don't need any of their poor quality biscuits and confectionaries at all. We can and already do make them in Australia at same or slightly higher price but the quality is much better.

        What you have is extremely greedy companies like Kmart, Big W and the big supermarket duopoly that import the lowest quality trash they can find to make a few cents extra on each sale. There are other greedy companies that mix Chinese products into their range to trick customers who just expect them to be made in Australia based on history. Cadbury and Mars are both guilty of this.There are basically no food stuffs China send us that we can not and already do not make ourselves.

        On the other hand the Australia is one of the few countries in the world that can supply the dairy, high quality meat and especially seafood that China desires at such good quality and prices. Australia has the best uni, abalone, lobster, tuna, salmon and prawns in the world.
        We export this while most stupid Aussies buy imported disgusting basa from the dirty pond waters of Vietnam.

        Aussies need to wake up, turn the packed over the see if its made in Australia
        And as for seafood eat less in amount but eat higher quality if economics is an issue.
        Needing to eat 250 to 350 grams of meat in a meal is ridiculous.

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          imported disgusting basa from the dirty pond waters of Vietnam

          I down vote you because of your ignorant information on imported basa. It's always US and some western propagandas where they can't match the cost. Define dirty pond, do you think Vietnamese farmers should put their fishes in swimming pool to be clean? Companies who import those fishes always test and have high standard, hence fish companies always make sure they match the requirements. and yes, there are very low standards for local consumer where fishes were in very bad environment, feed with unknown medicine and such. Do some researches and use more common sense instead of repeat of what other people say.

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            @ntt: You are a clown mate, the conditions are open and well known. Trying to deny it is delusional. River water is inherently lower quality than sea when it is muddy and full of sediment and that before the pollution, contaminants and effluent.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6N2SX51d7w

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              @zombrex: no you are the clown. Basa or catfish as whatever US called them is grown in river, not in salt water. If you want something clean, try to grow in your own pond. It may contain more chemical then. Grow up, do you think Coleworths are selling something that would make scandal(s) and affect their reputation. there are very strictly inspections rules that must be met to import to US, Europe and other countries. By the way, studies found Vietnam catfishes taste better https://www.chron.com/life/food/article/Catfish-go-head-to-h…

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