Cryptocurrencies - Your Key to Financial Freedom AMA

I've been tracking the crypto space since Bitcoin was invented and bought my first Bitcoin in 2013 and has been using every cent of my savings to buy cryptocurrencies ever since.

I can now comfortably retire. Which other investment allows you to do that in less than 10 years.

Ask me anything about the cryptocurrency space, there's no such thing as a "silly" question. I think this goes without being said, but I'm going to say it anyway. None of what I say here is financial advice, I do not hold an AFS license, you should seek advice from a licensed professional before making any investment decisions. If you are making investment decisions from some random guy on the internet without doing your own research and due diligence, you should stop immediately!

There's all these controversy about property prices "surging" or becoming unaffordable, not for me, if you invest in the right asset, property is actually getting cheaper and cheaper. Property prices in Bitcoin terms has been decreasing and will continue to as Bitcoin increases in price at a faster pace. So to me, property is progressively getting cheaper and cheaper.

Update:

For those who would like to find out more about cryptocurrencies and why I think Bitcoin is here to stay and will be more valuable in the future, head over to hope.com and watch some of the videos. This site was set up by the CEO of MicroStrategy, Michael Saylor who's company bought an aggregate of approximately 90,531 bitcoins, which were acquired at an aggregate purchase price of approximately $USD2.171 billion and an average purchase price of approximately $USD23,985 per bitcoin, inclusive of fees and expenses as of 24th Feb 2021.

To those who think that I "got lucky" and was "fortunate", that's very far from the truth. I saw this coming, I knew that with rampant money printing by central banks, fiat currency is going to zero and it has been doing so for centuries. All fiat currencies have gone to the zero, in history, there has not been any fiat currency that didn't go to zero. So Bitcoin's rise is inevitable to me, hence I bought it. I didn't go as far as that family who sold everything to buy Bitcoin, but I did use nearly all of my savings to buy cryptos.

Common criticisms of Bitcoin

  • Its just like Tulip mania
    Bitcoin is nothing like Tulips, Bitcoin is a decentalised and censorship resistant network which enables values to be transferred across the internet at very low cost. The value of Bitcoin is the strength of its network and the fact that it has never been breach or hacked, which means unless someone steals your private key, your coins are safe.
    Tulips has none of these qualities. The only thing which Bitcoin and Tulips have in common is the fact they both went up in value very quickly. Even then there are differences, Tulips went up and crashed all within 3 years. Bitcoin has gone through at least 3 cycles where it has smashed its previous all time highs and never dipped below the starting point of the cycle.
    Bitcoin has recorded a higher year on year low every single year since its existence except for 2015.

  • The Bitcoin network uses too much energy
    This is just market supply and demand. People mine Bitcoin because it is profitable to do so. The Bitcoin network do not require so many miners, in fact it started with just one miner. The network can continue with just one miner, it adjusts as more miners enter and leave, this is built into the network. The high energy used by Bitcoin is a sign that it is valuable and people are willing to make the effort in participating in the effort in securing the network and be rewarded for it.
    Due to the profit motive, the energy sources used by Bitcoin miner are increasingly from green energy sources reducing its impact on the environment.

  • It is used for criminal activity
    Fiat currencies are used on a much much larger scale by criminals. Banks launder money for criminal, there's been so many scandals, and those are just the ones which make it to the media, I'm sure a lot goes undetected.
    Bitcoin is actually very bad for criminal activity, this is why they quickly moved onto privacy coins like Monero and Zcash. The Bitcoin blockchain is public and all transactions remain there forever. If a drug deal is done with cash, unless there's a recording device there at the time of the transaction, that drug transaction is untraceable. If you do a drug transaction with Bitcoin, that transaction will always be on the blockchain, all it takes is for law enforcement to tie one address to a real person, and the entire web unravels, so its not very smart using Bitcoin for criminal activity.

My Crypto mistakes and other pitfalls

I want to go over some of the ways I lost money in crypto over the years so maybe you can learn from my mistake

  • Scam websites
    In 2014, there was a website called Bitcoin savings bank, which promises 9%pa interest if I transferred my Bitcoin there. Very similar to what Crypto.com, Blockfi etc offer today, except they are scammers. Unfortunately, I didn't do my research and I believed them. I transferred 2BTC to their "savings account". Never saw it again.
    Nowadays, these sites are very obvious, they promise hourly returns, like 10% every 2 hours. This is impossible to consistently do, they are all scams, don't fall for them.

  • Double your coins scam
    This is quite famous, there are many variants, but essential it just entails you sending your coins and double or some very good return percentage will return. Its a scam, you will get nothing. Fortunately, I have never fallen for these.

  • Pump and dump groups
    These are almost always scams, there are more losers than winners. Yes you may win one time, take it and walk away, but most likely you will lose. I lost more than 1BTC in this. I'm still part of the groups to monitor, but I never participate anymore. Neither should you. They also have these VIP or "inner circle" groups, where they promise you early notification of the coin to pump for a fee. Don't fall for this. They might also have an inner inner circle group or VIP+, where they promise to take your Bitcoin and buy the coins for you, to maximize your returns. These are definitely scams, they will take your Bitcoin and then block you on telegram.

  • Fake wallet apps
    These apps emulate popular wallet apps and asks you for your seed phrases and private keys so they can steal your crypto. Treat your seed phrases and private keys as private. NO ONE should know, not even staff members of the hardware wallet company. Its like your online banking password, no bank employee should ask for that. If any app do, delete it IMMEDIATELY.

  • Leveraged trading
    I lost around 1 BTC (worth around $5-6k USD at the time). I tried to pick the bottom during the 2018 bear market, the Bitcoin price was quite stable and stagnant around the $5500-$6000k mark, so around Nov 2018, I thought that was the bottom and went in with a leverage long. The market went off a cliff dropping down to $3500. I got liquidated, lost the 1 BTC I deposited. I never touched leverage trading again. Its very hard to pick tops and bottoms, so now I just dollar cost average and periodically buy and hold. You don't need to worry about being liquidated if you do this, it will help you sleep better at night haha.


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        • I'm actually wondering how they even traced it back to that wallet. If someone created an address to receive the funds, shaved off their commission, then transferred it to the next person using a new address, and so on…. The amount should have eventually become untraceable through multiple different bitcoin addresses.

          • +2

            @wizzlesticks: Colonial told the FBI the address they paid. Everything can then be traced from there. Why didn't those criminals use a Bitcoin mixer? They probably can't for that amount of Bitcoin, who knows.

            Those criminals appear to be professionals in ransomware, but they appear to be amateurs in crypto.

      • +1

        Here is the actual wallet which the FBI "seized", https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/bc1qq2euq8pw950klpjca….

        You can see an additional 5.9BTC was transferred to another address which the FBI was not able to recover. The hackers rented a server based in North America to host their hot wallet, the FBI seized it and took control of the wallet, but not before the criminals were able to send the 5.9BTC out, hence the FBI was only able to recover 63.7 out of 75BTC.

        The FBI or anyone else are not able to "hack" into Bitcoin wallets without the private keys, there are much much more easy ways to obtain Bitcoin, including malware/keyloggers (not effective against hardware wallets) or just tracing and then seizing the coins at centralized server by seizing the private keys on the server as it appears to be the case here.

        I've said this before, it makes no sense to me why criminals use Bitcoin. Everything is on the blockchain and can be easily tracked, cash is a much better method.

  • +3

    The man with the plan is getting things done.

    I’ve just instructed the president of @LaGeoSV (our state-owned geothermal electric company), to put up a plan to offer facilities for #Bitcoin mining with very cheap, 100% clean, 100% renewable, 0 emissions energy from our volcanos 🌋

    This is going to evolve fast! 🇸🇻 https://t.co/1316DV4YwT
    https://twitter.com/nayibbukele/status/1402680890057166858?s…

    • Very bullish news, Bitcoin being legal tender is huge. This is why I've been buying the dip. I don't know where the bottom is, I just buy the dips.

      • +1

        Wouldn't a Bitcoin fork be in the box seat as currency, not Bitcoin itself. Imagine being at a checkout …while you wait 8mins for the person before you to clear a payment!

        Still don't know why a Bitcoin fork (say one with the same 21 mill cap) isn't as equal in value as Bitcoin? They haven't been hacked either have they? And what happens if the top 4 miners get together?

        • They are using the Bitcoin lightning network which is a layer 2 solution which makes Bitcoin much better being a currency. I largely agree with you, other altcoins are better, however, it is doubtful that countries will be betting on them anytime soon.

          I don't think Bitcoin forks are suitable, eg Bcash or Bitcoin XXX whatever they add to the name. Other totally separate projects may be better suited to be a currency, but they are not as mature as Bitcoin.

          I think you'd find that the institutions and countries will want to use Big Daddy Bitcoin first because it is the oldest blockchain and also have the most amount of developers and brain power behind it, this can always change of course and we are starting to see a shift of innovation into the altcoins, but I think Bitcoin would always be the gateway into the alts, like many retail investors.

          That's been my journey, got into Bitcoin then dabbled into the alts.

  • Everytime bitcoin drops I come here to check if OP has sold and how he thinks his $100k by end of year prediction is playing out.

    • +2

      Are we close to the end of the year? A bit early to start gloating I reckon.

      • Why don't you see for yourself the price of December BTC call options?

        • Do you mean this?

          https://files.ozbargain.com.au/upload/393946/89789/screensho…

          There are more call vol >100k than sub 100k.

          • @rektrading: And how much are those options worth now compared to 3 months ago when the OP was so confident they will be in the money by end of year?

            Your point is that many people made trades on the 100k price. There are 2 sides to every trade so volume is neither bullish or bearish.

            • @pipe: I don't know what you're trying to say.

              You told AncientWisdom to look at the December BTC open interest. I posted data showing that the vol is pointing at a bullish trend of >100k. Now you say that the data is neither bullish nor bearish.

              The data doesn't lie. It shows that the sentiment of the market in December is bullish. If you have data that shows the opposite then post it so that we can put this discussion to bed.

              • @rektrading: I said price not open interest, do you know what the difference is? I'm not sure how you correlate a high open interest to bullish, so please teach us.

    • +1

      I'm not selling lol. I've held from 2013, why would I sell now, for what? For fiat which will definitely lose me money. Unless I have a reason to sell, I'm not going to.

      For example, I sold some BTC at around the $55k USD mark to buy some AMC stock.

    • Lol, how is that related to Ethereum? The crystal looks like the Ethereum logo? Is that the joke?

    • As per the mod note, no. I'm not related to the Youtuber called Techlead.

      I would never do such a thing. I only encourage people to read up on cryptocurrencies, open your mind, do some research, I couldn't care less if you decide to buy or not. That's up to you and you alone.

    • Interesting, show is about to get exciting, bring popcorn.

    • No idea what he was saying but sounded significant…

      • +1

        I know exactly what he's talking about. I love economics.

        The US government raises money through bond auctions. yields are set through a bidding process. There is an inverse relationship between the price of a bond and its yield, If price of the bond goes up, yield goes down (demand is high), if price of the bond goes down, yield goes up (demand is low).

        The 10 year bond rate is used as a benchmark for mortgage rates in the US. Additionally, the metrics for the 10 year bond (price/yield etc) are closely watched as an indicator of broader investor confidence. If demand is high, it means investors are "flocking to safety", since like the Lannisters, the US government always pays its debts (by printing more money or borrowing, but shhhhhh, ignore that haha). Therefore, yield is low, investor confidence is low, hence they are flocking to the safety of the US government. This is considered much safer than putting money in a bank.

        What's been happening now is that the 10 year bond yields has been falling, from 1.73% at around April 2021 to around 1.38% now. People are pointing to that to mean its a leading indicator that investors are predicting a crash in the markets, such as property, shares, crypto etc and are flocking to safety because they are losing confidence. Maybe there's a recession around the corner? Maybe, only time will tell.

  • +1

    Hi OP, how many more months of accumulation do you think there will be?

    Unfortunately my BTC buy orders at 42k usd were triggered at the dump to 30k. Been hodling since then and will continue to.

    • +1

      I think you will find this is misinformation from spruikers.

      Here is the real data.

      https://www.lookintobitcoin.com/charts/wallets-greater-than-…

      Note how the trendline in yellow for whale wallets is going down.

    • +2

      DCA down, zoom out, and chillax.

      When in doubt, ZOOM out.
      https://files.ozbargain.com.au/upload/393946/90105/screensho…

      • +4

        Well said. Just DCA. I get very excited every time Bitcoin falls, because it gives me a chance to buy cheap Bitcoin.

        Put it this way, property investors don't look at their property price every second of the day, you shouldn't either with Bitcoin. Just DCA, treat it like mortgage payments and you'd do very well. I'm only comparing to property investment, not owning to live, so don't give me these arguments about not being able to live in a Bitcoin, because you can't technically live in an investment property either.

        I've been buying whenever Bitcoin dips into the $28-$30k USD range and I will continue to do so. If it falls to $20k USD, so be it, I will be buying too. During 2018/2019, I was buying all the way from $10k to $3400 USD. Its all good, just keep calm, hodl and stack those sats.

  • welp I just came across this forum, Only a year 11 student here, Bought crypto at the start of the year (first time) when I saw doge go to the moon during class where it shot up to %500 under my eyes. Didn't know how to trade crypto so opened an account via coinspot. I placed $10 to begin with and then $50 and then $100 until I reached $1000 which is when I stopped depositing. The reason why I stopped is because of the crash which dropped all my crypto currencies to 50% of its value making me lose %60 of my money. Now I don't know what to do. Currently all my coins are just sitting in my wallet hopping that one day it will go Back up. What are your thoughts on this? thanks

    • +3

      It sounds like you DCA up to ATH, then stopped in mid-May because price started to go down, and is now in an unrealized loss. This was a mistake. The right way to DCA is to buy at a set time/date no matter the price.

      The link shows your unrealized PnL if you followed your plan and DCA $10 every week from Jan 01 2021 to Aug 14 2021.
      https://files.ozbargain.com.au/upload/393946/90693/screensho…

      I can't tell you what to do other than to make a plan and sticking to it.

      • Well said. :D

    • +1

      What you are missing is the reason why you are buying crypto.

      Crypto is not a get rich quick scheme. If you want to be a millionaire overnight, go buy a lottery ticket. For me personally, crypto is a multi-year investment, multi-decade actually. So when the "crash" happened in June/July, I was very happy because I was buying after it fell, it meant I lowered my cost basis.

      Think of it like this, let's say you love the iPhone. If its price suddenly dropped by 50% tomorrow, would you rush out to buy it or remain at home waiting for it to be full price again?

      • thats true thanks, now crypto is steadily going back up

        • Crypto is going to be volatile, it comes with the asset. If you can't stomach the roller coaster ride, get off it.

          Fact is, Bitcoin has been one of the best assets to own in the last decade. People have made retirement money in a few years just by holding Bitcoin, no leverage, no borrowing, no margin involved.

    • Also it depends WHICH crypto you were buying, if you were buying sh1t coins based on passing FOMs (flavour of the month) then they might never recover. If you don't know what you're doing in crypto you're better off sticking to BTC and ETH only.

      Opinion only, not financial advice.

      • I highly recommend Jason's channel in which he shows how most coins do not beat BTC - https://www.youtube.com/c/JasonPizzinoOfficial/featured

        TL;DR - stick to BTC and stop thinking about it

        • Over which timeframe? In a bull market, alts will appreciate faster, but during the bear market, Bitcoin will keep its value more.

          So the strategy should be to ride the alts, the go back into Bitcoin to hibernate during the bear market, or sell into a stablecoin or fiat.

          • @techlead: Yes, completely agree, at the time I made that comment we were not in a bull market.

            For people not inclined to be following crypto too closely, Bitcoing is a good place to park their money and not think about it too much.

  • What’s everyone’s thoughts of Telcoin? Been following it for a while but would like some more opinions..

    • I've heard abit about it. Its promising but still very very early days, so there's a high chance it will go to zero. I don't hold any though. Telcoin is supposed to be a remittance coin, I just think adoption will be hard and if Bitcoin lightning network takes off, Telcoin will never be able to challenge it.

  • Thanks for the response. I think it has massive potential especially with v3 about to launch into aus/us/euro corridors! Hopefully booms. Been looking into VRA, real world use and very low MC. What do you think?

    • I have a big bag of VRA. I bought around 2 years ago.

      I think VRA can be as big as Theta, although they are not direct competitors. Theta is trying to solve the CDN problem which VRA is more into gaming on the blockchain.

      Don't forget to stake on Verawallet.tv to get 25.5% pa interest until March 2022. The interest payments I get daily is multiples above how much I'm getting for my day job.

      Not financial advice, do your own research, this is just opinion, I'm not forcing you to do anything.

    • Hadn't seen VRA before, interesting concept.

      Might be worth cautioning you here, there have been pay per view platforms in the past, where ad revenue ends up flowing to the viewers, and they crashed and burned.

      If you create any financial incentive, bad actors will do what they can to game the system. A huge portion of internet ad revenue gets eaten up by bots who suck out the financial rewards.

      This is what ended up killing previous platforms, so…. be cautious

  • Do you think ADA will eventually take over ETH?

    and thoughts on VET, MATIC and DOT please?

    • +1

      The only thing ADA has right now is staking. They have a long way to go and heaps of other competitors to worry about before they come close to ETH's network effect.

    • I personally don't think ADA will take over ETH.

      However, ADA will appreciate in price faster than ETH as it takes more market share from ETH after the Alonzo upgrade.

      The battle will be fought over the developers, whichever chain has the most app and use cases will win out in the end.

      • They have a lot of catching up to do, that's for sure.

  • Smart contracts aren't going to take a network effect from zero to hero. There are plenty of networks that have SC but lack devs, Dapps and users.

    The top nine of ten Dapps by TVL run on ETH and one on BSC. SOL, LUNA, ONE, TRX, MATIC, AVAX, ONG, ATOM, XTZ and a dozen or so more have SC but their combined TVL is nowhere near ETH's TVL.

    ADA is the late horse out of the gate. It's more than like to be a gainer the closer it gets to the launch date, but don't expect it to sprint past the competition without a fight.

    • It doesn't take long for developers to learn to develop on ADA.

      Whilst ADA is late to the party, it does command a very strong community following, hence its the 3rd largest blockchain by market cap right now. I've heard of projects which are currently on Ethereum but will jump ship immediately after the Alonzo upgrade.

      We can see with the rise of the popularity of BSC that there is a strong demand for a fast, quick and cheap smart contracts platform. I think ADA will definitely give Ethereum a run for its money, but whether it can surpass it remains to be seen, my opinion would be no, but I have been wrong many times before.

      Eth2.0 will not be live until at least early 2022 if not later, so this will give developers time to potentially jump ship to ADA and never come back to Ethereum. Let's see if that exodus occurs.

      One thing is for sure, the crypto space is heating up even more. I find this to be the most exciting time, even more so than the bull runs of 2013 and 2017 because we are actually getting real world adoption and companies are coming along for the ride, eg, Visa using the Ethereum network to settle transactions or buying a NFT to put on their balance sheet.

  • I'm curious if anyone has taken out a loan from the defi space into the real world (or even from a company like celcius). Did you have any issues with the ato wanting to tax a loan that isn't a taxable event?

    I'm really tempted to clear out my mortgage with the banks, and move it into the defi world, but kind of worried about the ato being a pain in the ass over moving such sums of $ around

    • I'm also very interested. I'm on the market to buy a house and want to fund the property deposit with a loan against my Bitcoin. Haven't pulled the trigger on that yet because there's no houses to buy lol, no supply at all due to covid.

      • Plenty of supply, Just sh!t stock and price jacked.

      • Thought you're not buying real estate. Why the change?

        • +1

          I haven't changed at all.

          I'm not investing in real estate and never will. I buy to live in it and right now I want an upgrade to get more space. Looking for a 5+ bedder on a decent size land. I'm a strong supporter of buying real estate to live in.

          I will never invest in real estate though, ie have an investment property. I guess you can say buying your own house is kind of "investing" in real estate.

  • +3

    Loans using digital assets as collateral are not taxable.

    Hi @tomgunson,

    You can use your CGT assets as collateral.

    You won't have a CGT event unless you have a listed CGT event. Most commonly, this is a disposal/sale (A1).
    As collateral, you haven't had a CGT event.

    If the loan is paid back by selling/disposing of your crypto, then that is a CGT (A1) event.

    It doesn't matter what it's used for - what it boils down to is if you've had a listed CGT event occur to the crypto.

    You can read more about types of CGT events on our website.
    https://community.ato.gov.au/t5/Cryptocurrency/CGT-on-AUD-lo…

    The last thing the government wants is to tax digital asset loans and then pay it back as a tax refund after people repay the loans.

    • Makes sense, I reckon that's the way to go.

    • You'd need the right accountant that's for sure.

  • 'Gradually, then suddenly.'

    https://twitter.com/michael_saylor/status/143534395330233549…

    Happy #Bitcoinday #ElSalvador.

    • +1

      Such bullish news. Where's all the bears at?

  • +6

    Where's all the crypto critics? Bitcoin going to zero? hahahaha

    Enjoy your huge debts investing in property. Meanwhile I will enjoy crypto. I can't believe SOL went up so much. My average cost is around $1US, its now over $200 in about 10 months. If I sell it now, I can't even get the 50% CGT discount lol.

    • To be fair, bitcoin is still like 15% lower today, than when this thread was started back in March ;)

      • People complained in May 2021 that BTC was too expensive at $65k. They were too scared to buy in June at a -50% discount. They're still scared in Sep at a -28% discount.

        The sad thing is that they'll buy it at $150k when their pension fund starts adding BTC to their portfolio allocation.

      • Don't look at the day to day, its all noise. Have a longer term view

        Why do people have such a short term view for cryptocurrencies? Do people buy an investment property, then a few months later dump it because they realized the value of their investment didn't go up?

        If you held Bitcoin in any 4 year period since 2009, you'd be in profit.

        I've got friends who sold in June/July at a loss. My view is, those people shouldn't have invested in the first place. Cryptocurrencies are volatile, however the trend is up. Bitcoin has had a higher annual low every single year since inception except for 2015. Also, during each roughly 4 year cycle around the halvening event, Bitcoin has never retraced back to the peak of the last cycle…yet. The future is uncertain of course.

        So before anyone buys Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies, they need to be clear eyed about the risks and how they behave. Volatility comes with the package. It is the price you pay for performance. A term deposit is quite steady, yet you wouldn't expect a 200% annual return, right? Bitcoin has achieved that, 200% average annual return over the last 10 years. Not even highly leverage investment properties can achieve that.

        Poor Peter Schiff, he held gold for 10 years and its gotten him nowhere. While a $100k investment in Bitcoin 10 years ago would have made him a billionaire today.

        • I'm just taking the critical view here, for arguments sake. It's good to analyze all sides when taking your position.

          I like cryptocurrencies for the use-cases it solves. Just because it solves a use-case, doesn't mean it's the superior/efficient solution.

          Just because government's debase fiat, doesn't mean the solution to the problem is bitcoin.

          Anything can be perceived as a store of value. The only thing giving bitcoin value is people willing to hand over value for it. There's plenty of aspects where bitcoin fails. No-one ever gets a design right on the first attempt, and satoshi didn't solve this perfectly in 2008. Proof of Work, while an improvement, is an incredibly inefficient approach for the problem satoshi had planned to solve. Once enough people decide to stop assigning bitcoin that value, the price will fall.

          I have no idea when that is, no-one can predict market movements accurately, or how long they can remain irrational (and whose to say $50k is irrational, maybe $1million is irrational).

          People made a lot of money in WeWork and thought they were geniuses. Eventually the underlying economics caught up with it.

          • @idjces: I agree it is conceivable Bitcoin will eventually lose value, but it will almost definitely be to another crypto and the writing will be on the wall, it won't be a flash crash.

          • +1

            @idjces:

            Just because government's debase fiat, doesn't mean the solution to the problem is bitcoin.

            That's very true. Beanie babies or seashells could potentially be used as a solution for inflation. I'm not a Bitcoin maxi, I believe Bitcoin CAN be the solution, but its not THE solution.

            The only thing giving bitcoin value is people willing to hand over value for it. There's plenty of aspects where bitcoin fails. No-one ever gets a design right on the first attempt, and satoshi didn't solve this perfectly in 2008.

            Bitcoin has value because people believe in the network and the network continues to deliver as promised. It is a decentralized and censorship resilient network. If the government tries to confiscate your gold just like what Roosevelt did, they can't do that with Bitcoin.
            Its true that "no one ever gets a design right on the first attempt", this is why there is a whole process to update Bitcoin and there has been many updates which has gone in since 2009, major ones include segwit (segregated witness) and a major upcoming one called Taproot coming this November.
            The Bitcoin network is constantly being upgrade and improved, this is why I don't see quantum computing as a threat, because once it becomes reality, an update can be created to make it quantum computing resistant.

            Once enough people decide to stop assigning bitcoin that value, the price will fall.

            The same can be said for other assets, like property and shares.

            People made a lot of money in WeWork and thought they were geniuses. Eventually the underlying economics caught up with it.

            Bitcoin is fundamentally very bullish. Provable scarcity, increasing demand and network upgrades incoming. It has a more than 10 year track record. No other asset comes close in terms of performance. Of course past performance is not an indication of future performance.

            • @techlead:

              It is a decentralized and censorship resilient network. If the government tries to confiscate your gold just like what Nixon did, they can't do that with Bitcoin.

              Agreed

              this is why there is a whole process to update Bitcoin

              This is where I see Bitcoin failing, the arguments for it end up being hypocritical.

              The proponents for bitcoin argue 'code is law', yet feel free to change the code where the group consensus agrees.

              A fixed supply of 21 million signals hoarding intention, and defeats any ideals of being a medium of exchange.

              Bitcoin's proponents argue bitcoin is decentralized, yet lightning network is entirely centralized and defeats any purpose of the merits behind decentralization. It's (so far) theoretically impossible to have both decentralization and high throughput. Arguably you don't need decentralization for each transaction, but then you don't need bitcoin for that purpose either.

              It has a more than 10 year track record. No other asset comes close in terms of performance.

              Afterpay shares? Arguably a lot of investments can come close, if you pick and choose your timeframes. Bitcoin has the benefit of a worldwide audience willing to throw funds at it, it's not so geographically restricted compared to traditional markets

              • @idjces: You have stumbled upon the trilemma, Decentralization, Scalability, and Security. Most of the blockchains today have at most two of those properties.

                I don't think any blockchain has the perfect answer to this. Whichever one comes up with it will be very valuable.

                Bitcoin has the benefit of a worldwide audience willing to throw funds at it, it's not so geographically restricted compared to traditional markets

                And its reach is increasing every day. How many people around the world can or is willing to trade Afterpay shares?

                • @techlead:

                  How many people around the world can or is willing to trade Afterpay shares?

                  For the most part, just Australians. I'm just theorizing that is one of the possible reasons behind the meteoric returns, at least, up until 2021.

                  Will be interesting to see whether the next 'halving cycle' plays out and btc goes exponential again, or if 2021, in hindsight, was actually the top.

                  • -1

                    @idjces: There has already been 3 halvening events, 2012, 2016 and 2020.

                    There has been a bull cycle around every one of those events. And the structure is very similar. Bitcoin has never retraced back to the peak of its previous cycle. Of course, history do not repeat, it rhythms.

                    I'm definitely interested to see what happens in 2024. I will be riding this rocket ship. Not selling my Bitcoin anytime soon.

                    People calling Bitcoin's "top" has been proven wrong, again and again and again, I'm very sure in the future, again and again and again even more as it reaches new all time highs with each cycle. All throughout 2018, 2019 and 2020, I've constantly heard people say, $19.9k is the top, Bitcoin will never touch that price again, it will go to zero. Those people have now been silenced, hahaha.

    • -4

      R U OK when a EMP goes off and wipes out 95% of your portfolio ?
      Remember when oil prices went negative a lot of people with no stop losses got stocks associated to accounts got wiped out .
      That was a planned move by unknown people that regulators could never stop .
      These people aren't about to stop with that hit :)

      • +2

        EMP?

        There are 10078 nodes scattered around the world. Each full node has a copy of the ledger. The only way to shut down all of the nodes is to turn the Internet off.
        https://bitnodes.io/

        Now let's talk about banks, telcos, AWS stuffing up and people not being able to do electronic Tx.

        Telstra has been hit by its second outage of the week
        TELSTRA has been hit by its second outage in just a few days, affecting EFTPOS and ATM services and forcing customers to pay cash.
        less than 2 min read
        November 2, 2018 - 7:23PM
        https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/telstra-has-b…

        Australia-wide Telstra outage costs banks and retailers $100m in just a few hours
        Kelly Burke
        7NEWS
        Published: 12/07/2019
        Updated: Friday, 12 July 2019 1:14 PM AEST
        https://7news.com.au/business/australia-wide-telstra-outage-…

        Westpac Suffers Online Banking Outage
        By April Glover| 19 Mar 2021
        https://www.channelnews.com.au/westpac-suffers-online-bankin…

        All Major Banks In Australia, Telstra, AusPost, Hit By Major Outage
        By Nathan Jolly| 17 Jun 2021
        https://www.channelnews.com.au/all-major-banks-in-australia-…

        BREAKING NEWS: Commonwealth Bank Systems Down, Again
        By Jake Nelson| 6 Jul 2021
        https://www.channelnews.com.au/breaking-commonwealth-bank-sy…

        The most secure network in the world has had 99.98% uptime since Jan 3, 2009.
        https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/bitcoin-uptime/

        • -3

          You haven't researched obviously the weapons that some country has stock piled that is currently pushing its weight world wide now .
          Your example is tiny local outages .
          What I'm talking about won't be tiny.

          • @popsiee: Let's pretend for a second that such a powerful weapon exists and a country can deploy it without retaliation from other countries. Why would they attack cryptocurrencies? There are so many other more high valued targets to go after.

            As for "unknown people that regulators could never stop.", do you think regulators are effective at stopping bad actors? The GFC happened despite the markets being regulated. The entities responsible for bring down the system were regulated entities. What good did that do?

  • Yes yes, but when use case?

    • +1

      What use case do you want?

      Store of value - Checked
      Transfer of value - Checked
      Censorship resistant network - Checked
      Immutable store of information, eg land titles on the blockchain - partially checked, its slowing being implemented
      Official national currency - Bitcoin - Checked

      Many more use cases incoming.

    • +2

      Another nail in the coffin for money transmitters like Western Union and Wise that charge ripoff fees from people is the icing on the cake.

      El Salvador’s new bitcoin wallets could cost Western Union and similar companies $400 million a year
      PUBLISHED THU, SEP 9 20218:00 AM EDT UPDATED AN HOUR AGO
      https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/09/el-salvador-bitcoin-move-cou…

      • That news makes me so happy Western Union are one of the worst.

        • Look into Telcoin they’ll cost Western Union a lot more. Slowly aiming to be compliant worldwide.

  • Is Bitfinex a good exchange to use?

  • +1

    Solana or ADA?

    • +1

      Gala

    • +3

      I prefer ADA, especially after the recent stumble SOL had suffered. SOL is very centralised. I think ADA has a chance of flipping ETH this cycle. I hodl ADA, SOL and ETH

      • Any other Alt coins (small cap) you think have much potential?

  • do you transfer all holdings to cold wallet?

    • +1

      Not all, I want to get some interest. So I have some staking on various exchanges and platforms.

  • What projects are out there addressing bridging crypto-fiat payments so that one can simply “tap n pay” ? I’m looking at mobiepay (MBX) but that one is still a fair bit of time away from being reality.

    Also anyone know if you buy stuff like this, would you avoid CGT as well?

    • +2

      From what the ATO has said in the past, if it is used as a medium of exchange to buy goods and services within the personal exemption limit, then there's no CGT. This means you wouldn't gain much profit from it.

      If you do gain heaps, I think the ATO will no longer consider that as for the sole purpose of a medium of exchange, they may think CGT is payable.

      This is new to the ATO, so no idea how they would perceive it down the track if it gets bigger.

  • can you suggest any website/news/youtube channels you follow to keep upto date? i follow coindesk and other randoms but would be great to hear of some credible ones

  • What IOS apps are you folks using to track portfolio purchased through multiple exchanges?

  • Wise, Western Union, MoneyGram, Xoom and all other banks just got rekt.

    I just published Announcing the Strike API

    Today, @Twitter enables free, instant, global payments for their users with their integration of the Strike API.

    What the internet did for communication, #Bitcoin + the Lightning Network is doing for money.

    https://t.co/jHkY6knXkP
    https://t.co/FXujknG7sM

    https://twitter.com/PowerLunch/status/1441112489316343821?s=…

    • What the internet did was assist in the communication of fake news, I suppose bitcoin will assist in the spreading of fake coin?

      • +1

        Anyone that has stonks in companies that make money on remittances should get ready to see their profits go to -99.99%.

        Adoption is inevitable.

        • -2

          I would much rather pay 1% in fees to get my money than risk losing 5-10% in the time you take to reply to me….

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