Haval H6 2021 - Yay or Nay?

Ok, I'll throw here the very not popular question, why do you not suggest people to buy Haval's car?

Apart from Made in China stuffs, what are the really valid reasons to avoid this car?
I think made in china reason is so not relevant to be the main reason not to consider Haval. We used to think Xiaomi's brand are not good (made in china), but now see how popular it is with the ozbargainers. We used to think Huawei is not a mobile phone to consider (well i guess it's not preferable at the moment because no Google Play installed) - but it's actually an awesome phone and guess what, MADE IN CHINA.

I went to test drive Haval H6 with my mate today, who is considering getting one, and we felt that the experience was awesome. Of course it's not the best car I have ever driven, but for the price like that, I really can't find any big complaints about it. It's not the smoothest drive ever, but the seat was comfortable, cameras are great, drive was smooth enough.

Some of the reasons I found why people avoid this chinese car are:

  • Resale value is a joke - shouldn't be an issue if you plan to keep this car long time
  • Parts are difficult to get - isn't this applicable to all cars at the moment in this COVID era?
  • No Android Auto - will be included in the next update for free
  • Buying this will support communism in China - then we might have to throw possibly 75% of all the stuffs we have at home - this is not a valid reason.

So car experts, please throw your opinions here about this car! I think for the price and all the things you get, this is an excellent car.

Poll Options

  • 57
    Yay
  • 280
    Nay

Comments

      • -1

        Corolla is cheaper than Porsche 911. It will be a front page news if 911 clocking 500k.

        That’s a ridiculous comment. A corolla is built compromising performance for longevity. A Porsche is built with stronger, lighter tolerances and prioritising performance. Besides most of the people who drive them use them as weekend cars so they don’t go 500k until they are 50years old. A corolla is only comparable to a Porsche because it’s got 4 wheels and a motor, they do not compete with each other. Try comparing a lancer or i30 with a corolla.

        Yes, it’s true that a badge can increase the price, but price absolutely dictates quality in a competitive market. Hyundai and Kia originally built cheap but pretty reliable rubbish to gain market share, now they are considered near as good as Toyota and the price reflects that.

        Haval are building cheap, stuffing wth technology to gain market share. They have to cut corners somewhere or they won’t be able to make a profit.

        • -2

          Yes, it’s true that a badge can increase the price, but price absolutely dictates quality in a competitive market.

          It's impossible for consumer to know real quality in a complex product. Majority of consumers goes by perceived quality.

          A corolla is built compromising performance for longevity

          Toyota also compromised their profit. On average Porsche made 36k profit from 1 car vs 3k for Toyota.

          Hyundai and Kia originally built cheap but pretty reliable rubbish to gain market share

          Yep their profit margin was tiny when they started. It goes to negative territory at some point.

          Haval could be following the same steps ( cutting their profit margin) which means you get best value for your money.

  • +2

    You should be one of the first to own the car for 10 years and then you can reference this post.

  • Test drove a GWM/Haval Cannon recently. Seriously impressive. For a 33k dual cab with proper 4x4 you get a lot of gear for your dollar.

  • +9

    Nice car, great value but a recent bingle with 3 panels only damaged had to be written off bcoz parts not available at all - absolute joke - don't do it

    • @Itburns what vehicle could you not get parts for?

      I had a European built Ford 20 years ago and had the same issue with no parts available.

      • +4

        Haval H6 - the insurer said the current Aussie-China fight had stopped panels & other spares coming to Australia. Luckily had an agreed value policy!

  • +1

    I will tell you if it was a good idea in a couple weeks after we pick our 2021 H6 Ultra 4x4 up.

  • I was strongly considering the Haval H2 vs other small SUV vehicles. Yes the price is attractive, but the main thing that stopped me looking at the Haval was the fact that you needed to use 95+ RON fuel. The other vehicles I looked at would allow me to use 91 RON. Due the the KM’s I travel, this would save me approximately $5000 over the coming 7 years. So I decided to skip the H2 (placed a deposit on a Kia Seltos).
    Same issue with the H6, so the savings disappear in fuel. Also, the Havals are missing the “wow” factor that makes me really keen for a car.

    • Huh? I don't think haval h6 can only accept minimum 95+ petrol.. You can fill up using e10.

  • +9

    These cars have worst depreciation. Poor fuel economy and poor safety. Design is garbage, poorly built, poor durability, poor relalibity.

    "It's expensive to be poor"

    • -1

      It's really hard to say this car has poor fuel economy, it really depends on how frequent and where you mostly drive the car (metro or rural).

      This car actually has fair fuel consumption.

    • +1

      Yet they have a longer warranty than any European car brand. Plus the service costs are specified and are a lot lower that Euro equivalents.

      Havel may lose $20k in value over three years, the Mercedes will lose $20k driving out of the showroom.

      • +4

        Why would you bother spending same money or little less on some disposable chinese junker when there are far superior Japanese and Korean cars available?

        "Because it's cheap" buy in maybe but long term more expensive

  • +2

    This Chinese Australian forum has some posts regarding this car if you're genuinely curious about it.

    • +2

      omg that url.

  • +1

    A friends comment who owns a transmission shop is that Korean and Chinese transmissions tend to use softer metals than Japanese vehicles and that the 7 and 8 speed transmissions are expensive to replace parts.
    Note also that Chinese manufacturers, Great Wall/Haval, MG etc etc in their TV ads and Web presence never utter the 'C' word as they know what that will do to sales.

    • +4

      I have noticed Apple also don’t advertise where their phones are made.

      • Yet iPhones are better than phones made by a "Chinese" company?

        • Not sure about the "better" bit. But definitely cost more than a like for like Xiaomi.

    • I agree the “c word” will be poisonous for sales but If a consumer was fussed about whether a car was made in China it’s hard to imagine they wouldn’t join the dots on the origin of a “Great Wall”

      • +2

        That's why they now call themselves "GWM"

    • You’ll probably notice that lost car makers don’t advertise where they are built. Who would buy a South African BMW or a Spanish built Nissan, or a myriad of other companies that don’t make ‘at home’

  • +3

    Dont waste your money on these cars.

    Stick to Japanese cars here in Australia; Nissan, Toyota, Subaru, Mazda

    You get value for money and re-sale value is good.

    Buy a HAVAL and you'll need to sell it at CashConverters when you need to get rid of it.

    • Not sure if Cash converters would take them.
      I highly doubt we'll see any of these chinese miracles for sale second hand - unless as scrap metal.
      They're made for the price, not resale (nor repair).

  • I don't think it is fair to say parts are unavailable for all cars, that's just temporary unless you are keeping the car for a year only (see resale) then the difference in availability of parts in 2022 will be significant

  • bought haval jolion lux instead as h6 was a bit too large.. like it a lot so far. also the med range jolion is high spec enough to include all the neccessary feature I need (360 camer/heated seats/front+reverse AEB, BSM etc)

    • I think the Jolion should be a pretty solid choice. It is a newer vehicle and the Chinese make great improvements with every generation.

      I find the Haval Jolion really interesting as the vehicle is ridiculously good specs for the price. But you then need to weigh it off against the lesser known brand and possible risks with the company hanging around. But Haval have made a pretty good start.

      Imagine if people were still judging Hyundai off their original Exels.

      • Fair point, but do you want to buy the equivalent of the original Excel today?

        • GWM has been making cars for over 20 years. Looks like they already pass the original Excel stage.

  • Worthy car in my opinion for the price tag but if you can wait 12 months until Semiconductor shortages eases, we will see prices on main stream cars from Japan and Korea come down. Cars are expensive at the movement due to global supply issues, Also Haval makeover just got released, you will have time to Assis to see if its still a good value proposition or it fades away like their earlier models.

  • +2

    Not sure if still happens but they had parts made of asbestos. Though given lax import checks, its likely many other products from all over have it as well and not isolated to made in China products.

  • please let us vote.

    • ok

      • -1

        Thanks! It is a hard toss: Good value cheapy from the covid country! Ok to just keep its 7 year warranted period. Or go Corolla, they are known to work!

  • +6

    Not a chance, would not risk my safety at some cheaply made chinese crap. Theres a big difference between a cheap mobile phone and a vehicle. If the mobile phone fails, no biggie, if the vehicle starts failing, thats big dollars and major safety concerns for you and others on the road.

    • +1

      Have you seen what brands of vehicles are having issues, failing while driving, catching fire etc. They are the big brand vehicles.

      • -1

        a $1000,000 ferrari can have issues, as can any vehicle

        the question here is, would you buy a brand new inferior product, or stick with a tried and true 2nd hand item. i certainly know which i would choose.

  • +6

    Because they are too expensive. Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) encompasses purchase price, costs of servicing, repair, fuel, insurance and resale value. Chinese cars suffer higher TCO relative to a trusted Japanese brand, and this explains much of the buying habits of people in the new car market.

  • +3

    Buy a established brand 2dn hand. If the infotainment is lacking, install aftermarket system. If reverse camera is lacking, install aftermarket.

  • +2

    I said nay but i want to change it to ya because i actually dont know enough bout the car to shoot it down if you have done ur reseach then go for it

  • +2

    See Here

    I believe the consensus was no due to past performance, however the H6 does look like they've lifted the game considerably. At the end of the day depreciation of all ICE cars will accelerate as adoption of electric vehicles increases over the next few years.

  • +10

    Unfortunately we appear to be descending into a new cold war, this time with China. I say unfortunately and really mean it, as one member of my immediate family is Chinese and I wish no harm done to people over here or over there. But the reality is they're trying to decouple from us and we should be trying to decouple from them in terms of economic dependence. That means where there is a viable alternative to a product made in China then it should be seriously considered.

    As the OP stated, this is often not possible because China dominates manufacturing in so many areas, but to say it's "not a valid reason" is incorrect. It should be weighed up along with other considerations.

    • Ive always thought, what would be the real word implications of actually 'breaking up' with china. no more iphones, lcd tv's, any computer parts (cpu, graphics cards), cheap furniture, cheap kmart clothes etc

      basically if china did ever go rogue, we really would be stuffed… for the short term. Australia and the USA would need to step up and start making everything in house, like they did many years ago.

      • There will always be cheap stuff. Vietnam is taking over from China. Capitalism will always find another low cost country.

  • +1

    In recent years when buying spare parts to repair a car, non-genuine Chinese made parts have started becoming common.
    Compared to the original parts that came on the car, these Chinese replacement parts are of massively inferior quality, often they don't even work properly out of the box. But if they do work then their lifespan is usually half or less the original part.
    In Australia if you buy a Japanese car for example, most of the parts on the car are made in Japan and are high quality. I can't imagine having a car where ALL of the parts on the car are made in China. In a few years the number of parts that will likely go bad is so much higher than say a Toyota or Honda. That is partly why the resale is so bad.

    • "In Australia if you buy a Japanese car for example, most of the parts on the car are made in Japan"

      Definitely not. All the Japanese brands source parts from China (Nissan in particular has a lot of common parts with Haval). And of course only a minority of the Japanese cars sold in Australia are actually made in Japan - most are made in Thailand.

      • Depends on the brand. Nissan is obviously one of the least desirable Japanese brands these days and are not highly regarded.
        Do you actually know what percentage are not made in Japan?

        We have had multiple Subarus and every single part I have ever looked at has Made in Japan stamped on it.

      • +1

        And of course only a minority of the Japanese cars sold in Australia are actually made in Japan - most are made in Thailand.

        Got a source for that bold claim?

        From what I could find the majority of Australian car imports are still from Japan.
        https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/where-are-australias-m...

        https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/st...

        https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/where-new-cars-sold-in...

        The most popular Japanese vehicles in Australia are: Toyota Corolla hatch, Prado, LandCruiser, HiAce, HiLux, Mitsubishi ASX and Mazda CX-5. Of those models all of them are made in Japan except for the HiLux.

        Based on the evidence available, I don't think it's a stretch to say the majority of Japanese brand cars on the road in Australia were made in Japan, from a majority of Japanese made parts.

        • +2

          Yup, can confirm that majority of Toyotas come from Japan with the exception of Kluger, Hilux and Fortuner.

          Suzuki trialed making the Swift in Thailand, and quietly shifted back to Japan without saying anything at the time 😂 built quality was definitely different in the Thai made cars

          • @spackbace: Potentially looking at a swift for a new driver. What year/models were Thai, or can you tell by the VIN?

  • Nay

  • +3

    Dad bought a great wall and it rusted within 3 years - 10km away from the ocean…
    That was lesson learn for me

  • +2

    As a guy lived in China and Australia I know many Chinese car owners. I would say maybe give it another 3 - 5 more years.

    At the moment I think Chinese cars are just above the stage when the original Hyundai Excels were out.

    In 3 - 5 years I would be happy to buy a Chinese made car. However having said that, if I ever going to buy a Chinese made car NOW it will be BYD. I am very impressed with some of the latest model BYD bought out. They are not in Australia yet. But I think they will be in 5 years time.

  • -1

    It is like AfterPay.

    You don't pay in the front and ask you for a butt load in a few days

  • +4

    I can't help but shake my head whenever I pass someone in an MG, Haval or other car made in China. It's really troubling that such people are willing to overlook their contribution to a sadistic regime in an effort to save on costs.

    • True but the purse is stronger than the conscience so sad!

    • So you are essentially looking down on people poorer than you? Do you berate people in the shops for not buying the Australian cans of baked beans?

  • +2

    A bit of history: Korea had no idea how to make cars. So they hired an Italian and finally turned ugly ducks into presentable boxes but meachnically crap.
    So then they poached Peter Schreyer from Volkswagen, the designer of the Audi TT and more. Now Koreans are cooking with gas.
    China copied the Korean way, poaches top designers and turn crap into gold!

    Haval uses gearboxes from Zahnradfabriken the factory who invented Zeppelins that could fly around the world before planes could!

  • +1

    My next car would probably be chinese, made, the price just unforgivable, I just hope that their brand will be recognised better when it is time comes :)

  • +5

    Firstly, OP, are you Chinese? It sounds like you have an investment in the outcome here.

    Buying this will support communism in China - then we might have to throw possibly 75% of all the stuffs we have at home - this is not a valid reason.

    Now, leaving aside the "communism" angle (China is communist in much the same way that North Korea is democratic)…

    You don't need to throw out stuff you've already paid for. The money has changed hands, contributing to landfill will not get your money back.
    And voting with your wallet on ethical concerns is a valid thing to do.

    The usual next counterpoint is "oh but almost everything has some part that's made in China, so you might as well buy 100% Chinese stuff!", which is silly. Obviously sending 5c to China for some minor components in a mostly-Australian product (for example) is better than sending $5 to a Chinese-owned company who made the whole product.

  • One thing is for sure; it's a havalla car!

  • +3

    I wish the Chinese EV manufacturers actually try and push into the Australian market. The appetite for EV is huge, and if the Chinese competitive pricing can work its magic here to make it similar price to an ICE car, a lot of people will probably be willing to jump on it.

    • +1

      But Australia is a mall market, and running / service cost is really high.
      There are establish few brands left Aussie market in last few years.
      Moreover, under the current Morrison government, I don't think they want to take the risk.

    • There is no economies of scale, especially to sell small cars here.

      It 'costs' the manufacturer the same to sell a small car than a big car, therefore most manufacturers prefer to sell SUVs and more up market cars as the total sale is bigger and there is more margin. You're shipping costs are the same, labour costs are the same, material costs slightly higher but in the end you make more profit.

      Most of the EVs are very small and there is literally no charger network in australia, plus our labour to customer ratios are appalling.

      There is a reason why ford and holden/gm all left, even toyota.

  • The old saying of you get what you pay for is true. There's a reason H6 is priced at where it is.

    There's more unknowns/risks and are not as popular at the moment. They're obviously priced competitively to gain market share and attract new buyers. Quick google revealed Haval was established in 2013. Yes it's backed by Great Wall which is a much bigger company but there's still risks as Haval is a new ish company.

    You should ask around some service centres/garages and for the feedbacks. They could be more reliable than we thought but who knows?

    If you're willing to save money and bear some risks, then go for it.

    Majority of the buyers are probably more willing to pay a bit extra for one of the Jap/Korean brands and not to take on the risks and be stress free. It's not a small amount of money ($30k+) so why take the risk?

    Each to their own.

    • -1

      Ok say top of range H6 vs ugly Sportage: 39k vs 69k.
      Say you change in 5 years. Use the 30k saved to buy Tesla shares or whatever.
      A bit like the Sony TV vs an Aldi.
      After some failed starts Chinese cars will be no longer a topic of origin in less than 5 years!

      • +1

        ange H6 vs ugly Sportage: 39k vs 69k.

        If you're gonna make a comparison at least get your facts straight. Top of the range petrol Sportage is listed as $49k driveaway. Since when is Sportage a $69k car?

        Use the 30k saved to buy Tesla shares or whatever.

        What?

        A bit like the Sony TV vs an Aldi.

        Yeah where TVs costs few thousands and cars cost a lot more…?

        After some failed starts

        So you do admit there'll be "fail starts". So why should consumers take risk in buying them now, not 5 years later?

        • Todays pricing: Sportage:Drive Away Offer*
          $51,790.00

          H6 $38,990
          DRIVEAWAY both in AWD

          Ok apples and oranges here, ask some owners and they are wrapped in Chinese stuff. Do you consider first generation Hyundai Exell a non failure?

  • Everyone will neg because China and because new company and long term reliability is unknown. But that's the same with any company. Haval is GWM's premium brand, GWM have been around for decades. So they know what they're doing.

    The biggest problem for me would be resale value. They are cheap up front but lose value faster than other models and selling them will be hard. If you don't plan to sell or drive it to the ground, then go for it.

    The second problem for me would be second hand parts. Manufacturers that don't sell many models means finding second hand parts when you need one could be tricky. But if you're the type of person to just let the dealership/mechanic deal with it. Then no issues.

    • Running to the ground and dealership serviced is a money losing proposition

    • +2

      Haval is their premium brand? How big of a bucket of shit would the GWM be then.

  • -2

    I look at people driving Chinese cars and think that are poor and/or unAustralian (given current Chinese arbitrary import restrictions). It’s a Nah.

  • -1

    Lots of hypocrisy in here.

    Wasn't long ago people whinged about LG and Samsung TVs and AV products. Nekminnit they ran and dominated the market.

    Also anyone who uses China and communism in the same post automatically invalidates their entire post.

    • But we still put a distinction between Japanese and South Korean brands. China is in a different league yet again. Product does reflect some aspects of each country's cultural origins (for better or for worse is in the eyes of the beholder).

      When Chinese people stop driving European, Japanese or South Korean cars and start driving their own brands I'll pay attention.

      • Stop driving those cars in Australia or in China? Distinct difference.

  • +7

    I have a German Audi A4 with a well known engine design issue and the car is basically a lemon. So much for German quality sigh.

    When the first GWM/Haval models came out in Aus, they looked crap and probably were. The second generation was a good improvement, but still only ok and most times not enough to pick over a Toyota.

    However, the new 2021 models have definitely got my attention. They look bloody good and I've seen quite a few driving around.

    • The issue with Toyota is that they were once a budget friendly option. Now they're amongst the most expensive in its class with much less comfort and features, and with shorter service intervals. If you serviced your vehicle with the same service intervals as a Toyota, they'd be almost as reliable.

      • Only the diesels are every 6m/10,000kms. Every new petrol model is 12m/15,000kms, while brands like Mazda are 12m/10,000kms…

        • Diesels advertised from Merc and Ford are like 12 month/30k km… I had only been looking at commercial offerings though, so I did not really check the petrols.

          • @ATangk: Ford Ranger is 12m/15,000kms

            • @spackbace: Hmm.. specifically the van models. The transit is 30k, same with the sprinter.

  • +1

    I'd go with a nay.

    While almost everything we use is "made in China", the key difference would be the QA standards and design. "Made in China" to local standards vs "Made in China" to a recognised brand's specs makes a big difference. The "you get what you pay for adage" holds true especially when it comes to manufacturing.

    Secondly, given the current political situation, I would avoid buying from a manufacturer whose ability to provide after-sales in terms of parts and warranty could be disrupted due to geo-political tensions and sanctions.

    • While almost everything we use is "made in China", the key difference would be the QA standards and design. "Made in China" to local standards vs "Made in China" to a recognised brand's specs makes a big difference.

      I do enjoy when people say "you don't have a problem with a MIC iPhone". When Apple makes cars it might be MIC but who do you trust between Apple and GWM.

      • Apple is a tried and tested brand recognised globally with one of the highest customer satisfaction ratings. People can play the MIC card all they want, but at the end of the day, Apple has proven itself. I'm not willing to gamble my life on the road with a Haval.

  • +1

    We bought one. AWD Ultra model. We vote with our money.

    Does that count as 'yay'? ;)

    • oh nice, care to share your owner's experience so far with the car? Do you have any issues with the car?

      • +1

        Same as everyone else - haven't received the car as yet lol

        Though we will probably take hire car option when shopping for insurance. Parts availability could be an issue, paying an extra $50 may be good value in this situation.

  • -2

    My opinion is based on not the reliability of the brand, or the warranty or bells of whistles of it, but simply put it's owned by a Chinese company which is effectively controlled by their government. Lets not forget they are now using their power to bully not only us but every other country, we rely enough on them for stupid one off use crap from kmart etc, lets not rely on them to get us from A to B, especially with the amount of tech that's in cars, who's to say they aren't even baking in anything that could track you later on. You might be thinking, wow sensationalise much? Not at all, anything can happen, it's pretty much a slow passive war when you think about it. My nationality is Chinese, but I reap benefits of being an Australian citizen, so the only thing I would look out for is in the interest of this country I am in.

    • +1

      What happens if your loyalty is unwanted? ;)

      Sorry I don't buy politics crap. Politics can be distorted either way to suit any agenda. I rather evaluate a product by merit, and we bought Haval.

  • -2

    Do the OzBargain Haval sockpuppets get paid..?

    Unfortunately most cars, new and used represent very bad value at the moment. If you don't have immediate need I'd certainly put off buying for some time. Would I buy a Haval now, no probably not. Just as I wouldn't have bought a Kia (or any other XYZ brand) when they first started clearly emerging in Australia. But now they've established a reputation, are supported by a number of dealers, have demonstrated parts availability and capacity to follow through on warranty and issues, it's a brand I'd consider.