[NSW] Am I Allowed to Buy Something Essential from a Facebook Marketplace Seller?

FoxJump on 14/08/2021 - 12:26
Last edited 14/08/2021 - 12:34 by 1 other user

Ok, so I found on FB someone selling some kid DVDs and cars. My kids need cars and DVD to remain entertained. I could buy from a shop with click and collect for 10x the price. Or from this person

I am not in a hotspot LGA.

This Facebook seller lives in my same LGA and less than 5km away. I can pay them with PayID prior to attending. They can leave the parcel in their driveway and I can pick it up contactless.

I am fully vaxed for COVID. Both doses.

In my mind, this is safer than click and collect anyway and it is something that I need for my children.

Thoughts?

Poll Options

  • 138
    I am fine
  • 407
    I could be fined
  • 21
    I should find the items in a shop, click and collect and pay 10x more
Health & Beauty

Comments

    • freefall101 on 14/08/2021 - 15:40
      +27

      Have you ever considered that the point of the stay at home orders isn't to spend all your time finding exemptions to them and to, ya know, stay at home?

      • Ahbal on 15/08/2021 - 19:15
        +7

        Exactly.

        Its idiots like this spreading it.

        If I were a cop and I pulled someone up, and they tried to exempt their way out of it, Id double the (profanity) fine if I could.

      • Drakesy on 15/08/2021 - 23:24
        +8

        And nsw wonders why it spread so rapidly…

        • imurgod on 16/08/2021 - 18:50

          Yep, we have numerous clowns like this one who go to great lengths to flout the rules to ensure the virus spreads as much as possible and lockdown never ends.

          The irony of the content in their post is also pretty hilarious.

    • SeVeN11 on 19/08/2021 - 01:24

      Just go for an exercise and do a contactless purchase, ie pick it up from their porch and leave $ under the mat or something.

      I guess the unclear rules is why it's getting worse in NSW.

  • CyberMurning on 14/08/2021 - 13:38
    -3

    Easy choice, $0 or $5000

  • bdl on 14/08/2021 - 13:45

    https://imgur.com/a/dNUfnbQ

  • nedski on 14/08/2021 - 14:47
    +48

    This is why NSW is on fire with Covid.

    • [Deactivated] on 14/08/2021 - 15:11
      +4

      Don't worry the 7 day statewide lockdown with 2 hours notice will fix it.

      • Platinumtelecom on 14/08/2021 - 16:40
        +2

        This is a joke. This could have easily been prevented. It’s not like they didn’t know it would spread to regions…..

        • keejoonc on 15/08/2021 - 22:22
          +2

          can you imagine the outcry from idiots if they locked down the state from the get go? lol

      • smartazz104 on 15/08/2021 - 19:44
        +1

        After 7 weeks the lockdown is official.

        • Antikythera on 16/08/2021 - 11:16
          +1

          not sure Gladys was ever told the world moved off the "Gold Standard" in 1971 (Australia in 1928)

    • Jimothy Wongingtons on 14/08/2021 - 15:19
      +6

      And somehow again sky news going to make it Daniel Andrews’ fault.

      • smartazz104 on 15/08/2021 - 19:44

        Just call them Sky Hot Air, they ain't news.

    • Cusacka on 15/08/2021 - 07:12

      But their residents have the best DVD collections

    • BoredMartian on 15/08/2021 - 18:59
      +1

      Have to say, I gave a hearty chuckle when I saw the [NSW] tag.

    • parsimonious one on 15/08/2021 - 19:10
      +1

      But “won’t somebody think of the children!?”

    • Ahbal on 15/08/2021 - 19:16
      +2

      When people ask why we need such a strong police response ill just link them this thread

      • HeWhoKnows on 15/08/2021 - 22:51
        -8

        OP is not doing anything wrong
        But many of the opinions here and both laughable and questionable

        • Drakesy on 15/08/2021 - 23:25
          +4

          I think you're the only one that thinks that from the looks of it

        • HeWhoKnows on 16/08/2021 - 00:11
          -3

          2 negative votes from people that have NO IDEA what they are talking about.
          REALLY?
          That is so hilarious
          Read this taken directly from the NSW Gov COVID19 web site you self proclaimed legal eagles

          The law makes no mention nor defines the word "essential"

          Hence OP is perfectly entitled to purchase the goods as long as he/she operates within the limits of the law…..

          QUOTE FROM NSW GOV COVID-19 WEB SITE:
          Reasonable excuse to leave home

          A reasonable excuse is if you need to
          obtain food or other goods and services

          within 10km of your home, or within your local government area or cross into another local government area if it is within 10km of your home (limited to 5km from Monday 16 August 2021) and it is not a local government area of concern (unless the food or goods or services or their equivalent are not reasonably available locally)

          for the personal needs of the household or for other household purposes (including pets)

          For more details see here (dont listen to the FAKE NEWS or "tainted" political speeches)
          https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/rules/greater-sydney#reasona…

          • imurgod on 16/08/2021 - 18:55
            +2

            @HeWhoKnows: Read the room….er… planet.

            Stop pretending there's a big conspiracy and everything that doesn't agree with your tinfoil hat views is fake news.

            Do the right thing, get your shot then stay at home and act like an adult who deserves to breathe the same air that those who contribute to society do.

    • nickj on 16/08/2021 - 21:23

      Don't worry, with the way Delta spreads, you'll all be on fire soon too, and then rather than getting a fire extinguisher, I too am going to enjoy blaming the victim. "It's your own fault for being so flammable! Just kill it! Ring of fire extinguishers! Why didn't you put it out quickly?! It's clearly your fault!" None of the advice will be useful, none of it will be practical, I won't acknowledge fire spreads unstoppably when there's no water, but I will deliver it in an annoying preachy righteous smug manner, and I will object to you getting any assistance from the fire department, whilst repeatedly saying it's your fault being on fire.

      • nedski on 16/08/2021 - 23:34

        This comment does not make you sound as clever as you think it does.

        • nickj on 17/08/2021 - 00:49

          You misunderstand me. I am not trying to sound clever at all. Instead I'm making the obvious but simple point that we are all going to get Delta ultimately. I hate this, but I'm resigned to it now, because it follows directly from the facts. A) it does and has transmitted between two people passing vaguely near each other for a few seconds (see Bondi Junction Myers), B) it does and has infected health workers wearing full covid ward PPE who are double vaccinated (see Westmead Hospital), C) it does transmit between 2 people when both are fully vaccinated (see Changi airport), D) vaccines only around 50% effective at stopping infection, and we now know that the infection protection starts high and drops fairly rapidly with time (see latest Israel data), and E) how much more infectious it is (see data from everywhere). We're trying to stop it, but are failing, slowly. It won't stop at NSW's borders, I sincerely hope other states do better, and I hope we can all slow it enough to get everyone vaccinated in time (it is absolutely a race), but I think containment is ultimately a losing battle. But if you blame us for it spreading here, then by exactly the same argument, we can blame you when it spreads in your state or territory, yes? Hence why I find your original comment far less clever than you seem to think. If you want to blame the victim, we are all about to be victim to this. Our current vaccines are not good enough to stop it, but they are good enough to almost completely prevent death, prevent most hospitalisations, and slow down a bit the "fire" (as you put it).

          • FoxJump on 17/08/2021 - 02:02

            @nickj: Oh dear.. better get some matches then.

            • nickj on 17/08/2021 - 07:09

              @FoxJump: Because that's clearly what I said. Clearly I was saying "set everything on fire", instead of pointing out that a blamey preachy attitude won't stop a nightmare virus, that has keen sense of karma, during a pandemic /s

  • freefall101 on 14/08/2021 - 15:38
    +13

    You would have gotten serious answers if you weren't the kind of person who decided you were open to inventing your own version of the word "essential".

    You're leaving your home for a non-essential purpose, break the rules all you want but don't delude yourself that "essential" is open to debate. If you get caught, you'll get a fine that will be more than the cost of some toys and a netflix subscription, think of it that way, because the police are going to laugh at you like the rest of us are.

  • Drakesy on 14/08/2021 - 16:19
    +8

    Not essential.

    In the day and age of netflix, disney+ etc you'd have a hard time convincing the judge that you HAD to leave the house to buy some secondhand DVDs

    But this is really partly why NSW is in the state it's in.

    • HeWhoKnows on 15/08/2021 - 22:59
      -3

      I beg to differ
      There would be no case to answer at all
      Within their LGA
      Social distancing
      Wearing face mask
      Contact-less pick up
      definitely and essential need to keep the young kids entertained
      And OP is not obliged to disclose to the police what they are out to buy anyway
      Only to show some form of ID if requested
      If OP is smart they would just say "out to buy essential items for the household" OR out for exercise or recreation or even out to grab a coffee - all legitimate reasons if OP felt pressured to say anything

      • Drakesy on 15/08/2021 - 23:20
        +4

        I think your definition of essential is a bit different to a judge's interpretation.

        20 years ago maybe
        Nowadays with streaming there's no chance of dvds being classed as essential

        I now understand why nsw hasnt been able to control it

    • HeWhoKnows on 15/08/2021 - 23:40
      -3

      The law makes no mention of "essential"
      Sorry but you all lose because you quoted a word not mentioned in THE LAW

      • Drakesy on 16/08/2021 - 09:14
        +1

        I respect that
        But its the judge's interpretation
        Even the best lawyer in the world would have a hard time

      • Laurana on 16/08/2021 - 20:48
        +1

        You need to stop barking at that same tree. Yes the law doesn’t specify each item that is considered essential but the whole idea is that you have to have a “reasonable” excuse to leave the home and everyone here agrees that leaving the house to buy DVDs in 2021 with all the streaming options is not reasonable.

        Even if this was legal, it’s still not the right thing to do. Yes it’s legal for me to go grocery shopping, but I’m still choosing to get my groceries delivered. It’s legal to go to the chemist, but I’m using epharmacy to get my subscription filled. It’s legal to leave the house to exercise with the kids, but I’m choosing to do so in the living room watching YouTube videos. I’m not going to be yelling at those who make different choices but I’m definitely encouraging people to make better choices and not running around telling them to lie to the cops and leave to buy a DVD.

        I’m sure you’re trolling, but in case you’re not, really look deep within yourself because you’re coming across very badly here. A lot of people are dying because of COVID, and all we have to do to help is stay home. I have three kids and need to work from home. It’s not easy mate, I’d know but it’s also not that hard.

  • Archi on 14/08/2021 - 17:20
    +5

    just because you can … doesn't mean you should.

    • HeWhoKnows on 15/08/2021 - 23:00
      -1

      Young kids at home needing to be entertained????

      Id say Op definitely should
      Its an essential purchase.
      Much more than a coffee or a beer or a packet of chips

      • Laurana on 16/08/2021 - 20:53

        Yup. I have three at home. Still don’t think it’s essential.

        I also don’t think that getting macas takeout or alcohol is essential, but I’m not making the rules. Instead I’m encouraging others to go by the definition essential instead of trying to expand it to suit my personal needs.

        OP clearly has internet and can stream shows. If not, he can get the DVD’s delivered, he just wants to get them cheaper. Saving $50 is not a reasonable reason to leave the house.

    • ChatCPT on 16/08/2021 - 02:14

      In OPs case - procreate

  • th123 on 14/08/2021 - 17:54
    +3

    Do you have a sewing machine at home? How about a clown suit and then you can entertain them yourself?

    • HeWhoKnows on 15/08/2021 - 23:01
      -3

      Typical juvenile response

  • Noire on 14/08/2021 - 18:52
    +1

    Not essential but since you are not in contact with anyone so should be fine? if you do get into trouble police, follow it up on ozbargain thank you.

  • FoxJump on 14/08/2021 - 19:29
    +11

    Alright alright people. I'm not buying the cars or DVD anymore. So … Given that I've done what you've suggested, can all you all get vaccinated too?

    I'd figure since you're all calling me silly for even suggesting this then surely you're all already vaccinated, or booked in for one and aren't an anti vaxer or scamdemic monger.

      • mincemeat on 15/08/2021 - 13:24
        +5

        most of these responses are holier than thou! not going out for coffee? junk food? hell you can even exercise at home, so if we start the mental health argument there then I have no doubt that is of primary concern also to the OP and his children. You guys haven't stepped outside for anything other than absolutely and utterly essential. yeah I bet.

        • HeWhoKnows on 15/08/2021 - 23:11
          +2

          Too right

        • Laurana on 16/08/2021 - 20:57

          I agree that some of the responses here have been very savage, and your comment is a good reminder that as a community we should be less quick to funny mean comments and actually try to help.

          I can understand the OP and why he asked the question. No one is perfect, but we should strive to make one another better and encourage good behaviour rather than saying “Karen is getting takeout, so I should be able to get margaritas”.

    • HeWhoKnows on 15/08/2021 - 23:10
      +1

      Don't worry
      They are all out standing around the local cafe talking to their friends or out buying "non-essential" bargains that are posted here
      The mothers with babies are gathered together in the park chatting away completely oblivious to social distancing because they deem themselves immune via their version of 'herd immunity"

      And there are far too many anti-vaxers here so don't hold your breath.
      They all know the medium and long term effects from these vaccines as determined by the self-proclaimed vaccine experts out there however with no data to support their claims.

      Good luck everyone whatever you choose to do
      But don't come here complaining of discrimination and unfairness when the restrictions are finally relaxed for those that are fully vaccinated

    • lousy on 16/08/2021 - 20:32
      +1

      Never mind the trolls. Op is asking a legit question trying to get guidance on a grey area. Whilst in principle it doesn’t align to the “5 reasons to leave home”, how is this different to buying from a shop like Target and click and collecting …?

      • Laurana on 16/08/2021 - 20:58

        Problem is that click and collect for target really shouldn’t be happening but we’re not making the rules.

  • SteveB00 on 15/08/2021 - 08:19

    Following the decline in reliability of courier services, I get all my parcels addressed to a parcel collect address at the local post office. Am I allowed to pick up my (non-essential) parcels? There’s often a queue of people extending outside the post office of people waiting to collect parcels. The post office is about 50 metres from the local police station. They don’t seem to mind.

    • SnoozeAndLose on 15/08/2021 - 13:29
      +4

      Post office is essential service so pick up from Post office is also fine.

    • deadpoet on 15/08/2021 - 18:26

      You should switch to getting your parcels delivered to your local parcel locker location instead. No need to queue up.

    • HeWhoKnows on 15/08/2021 - 23:14
      +1

      How do you know which ones are non-essential and how do the police know without opening them up?
      As the policeman said to OP. its a bit of 'grey area"

      So don't open them up till you get at home
      You are definitely allowed to collect "your mail"

  • b0rnwithabeard on 15/08/2021 - 09:03
    +3

    People like you are why there are so many cases of community transmission

    • HeWhoKnows on 15/08/2021 - 23:15
      +1

      People like who?
      OP is 100% doing all the right things so you must be referring to someone else that goes out for non-essential junk food or a coffee or a social chit-chat with the friends and neighbours, or all the mothers with babies gathering together in the park…right?

      • b0rnwithabeard on 16/08/2021 - 09:21
        +5

        Keep your whatabout-ism fallacy’s to yourself. Driving to someone’s house to pick up some DVD’s is not essential.

        • BreezyPalms on 18/08/2021 - 06:42
          -1

          It’s contactless click and collect… I don’t think he’s endangering anyone. Probably safer than a courier who visits 50-100 houses/businesses/depots a day.

          • b0rnwithabeard on 18/08/2021 - 15:23
            -1

            @BreezyPalms: you don't know that though - maybe this guy IS clearing house and is seeing 50+ people a day?

            At least at a proper retail store doing click and collect, they have rules and policies around what the employees should and shouldn't do, and for the most time can easily list off every single person that's visited their store and at what time.

  • coffeeinmyveins on 15/08/2021 - 10:20
    +1

    The fact that you're asking this is hilarious

    You don't NEED those items. You can get a streaming service.

    Next.

    • mincemeat on 15/08/2021 - 13:25
      +1

      You also dont NEED to go to the supermarket. You can get delivery. You also dont NEED to exercise. You can move your body at home.

      • MrThing on 15/08/2021 - 18:38
        +1

        U dont even need to get out of bed to exercise really

      • HeWhoKnows on 15/08/2021 - 23:19
        +1

        Yep all these self-proclaimed do-gooders that bend the rules in their favour.

    • HeWhoKnows on 15/08/2021 - 23:18

      extremely biased and juvenile response

    • FoxJump on 16/08/2021 - 00:24

      Yeah I could buy woolies delivery for groceries and spend $500 a week and struggle with delivery windows. Or go to aldi and spend $200 and risk the plague.

      ….

      I don't see ALDI being devoid of people. So clearly, people still choose to save money when they can. And so I'll keep going to aldi and I hope you keep buying from woolies/Coles delivery at higher prices.

      • Laurana on 16/08/2021 - 21:05
        +1

        No way is aldi that much cheaper than Woolworths. And anyone can get free grocery delivery after $300 spend. Not too hard when buying for a family with two small children on nappies.

        I pay like $100/year for delivery saver and so I only need to spend $100 in a shoo to qualify for free delivery. I find that the $100/year to be a worthwhile investment so that I can do weekly shops.

        Even without the COVID situation, I’d definitely recommend you to try online grocery delivery. There are some free trials available from the supermarkets that come with free shipping for a month, I think. Once you’re used to it, it’s really hard to go back. It’s so convenient.

        • FoxJump on 16/08/2021 - 21:54

          From my calcs ALDI is 30% cheaper.
          On during covid v1 we did do woolies delivery exclusively and had to fight regularly for delivery windows, out of stocks, next day expiry products, etc.

          This time around, when it's actually more dangerous and deadly, the fact that I'm vaccinated (yes I know we can still get infected et al) and that we're spending more because 2yo vs 1yo means I'll just go to aldi.

          Delivery windows were my biggest bugbear last year. Uuuh the pain.

  • SnoozeAndLose on 15/08/2021 - 13:28
    +1

    Just ask to meet outside and do excrise together? Or shopping for essential together while exchange for the stuff you need?

  • tessel on 15/08/2021 - 17:57
    +2

    And this is why Delta won't be stopped.

    • RocketSwitch on 15/08/2021 - 20:40
      +3

      Ah you think Delta won't stop because of this? See you in December.

  • freddofrog42 on 15/08/2021 - 19:23

    Will someone just define "essential"..? Until that's done it's all a "grey area".

    I can just imagine the legal challenges coming when people refuse to pay the fines…

    • smartazz104 on 15/08/2021 - 19:46

      Will someone just define "essential"..?

      Essential = "I need it".

    • HeWhoKnows on 15/08/2021 - 23:22
      -1

      You are 100% correct
      Only the individual can determine what is essential to them
      Not anyone here and definitely not the police
      That is why you should never disclose to the police exactly what you are out to buy nor are you required to do so for everyone's information
      The only information you are required to provide by law is your identification. Nothing else!
      So as long as OP is within their LGA and observing the COVID-19 rules of social distancing and mask wearing they are doing the right thing

      • USER DC on 15/08/2021 - 23:53
        +3

        Only the individual can determine what is essential to them

        Oh yeah I imagine what if I find it essential, that my friend has to go out too pee in the sub Sahara desert in Africa ???

        Clearly not and answers your question, when it comes to law ultimately its individual first, then police, then courts to decide what is/was essential.

      • HeWhoKnows on 16/08/2021 - 00:18
        -1

        For the 1 negative vote that shows a complete lack of knowledge and understanding of the subject.
        This is why I am correct and you should retract your negative vote in shame……

        QUOTE FROM NSW GOV COVID-19 WEB SITE:
        Reasonable excuse to leave home

        A reasonable excuse is if you need to
        obtain food or other goods and services

        within 10km of your home, or within your local government area or cross into another local government area if it is within 10km of your home (limited to 5km from Monday 16 August 2021) and it is not a local government area of concern (unless the food or goods or services or their equivalent are not reasonably available locally)

        for the personal needs of the household or for other household purposes (including pets)

        For more details see here (dont listen to the FAKE NEWS or "tainted" political speeches)
        https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/rules/greater-sydney#reasona…

        So I say again…
        So as long as OP is within their LGA and observing the COVID-19 rules of social distancing and mask wearing they are doing the right thing

        • gromit on 16/08/2021 - 09:05
          +3

          I think your problem is you are overlooking a key word in that statement "need", need is not defined as whatever you decide you need. It will be defined as what a reasonable person really needs, you are using the word interchangeably to "wants" and no it won't be left up to you to decide as has been evidenced by how many have been charged thus far.

          • Laurana on 16/08/2021 - 21:06

            @gromit: Yup. Also overlooking the word reasonable.

        • SeVeN11 on 19/08/2021 - 01:29

          This is only a problem in NSW where the rules are not black and white and hence the problem with compliance and enforcing of compliance. It's a bit unfortunately that Sydney had already been is soft lockdown for about 2monhts so it's wearing people out.

          What could have been a 2-3 week snap and hard lockdown when there was less than 5 cass will most probably end up being 4-5 months at the rate things are going.

          Hope you guys come out before xmas.

          Good luck.

  • crazy94boy on 15/08/2021 - 19:26
    +1

    Not essential. Just sign up to a streaming service?

    • HeWhoKnows on 15/08/2021 - 23:26
      -1

      Why should Op do that?
      and at extra expense
      Seriously what a hide to demand that Op do that

      • Laurana on 16/08/2021 - 21:07

        Hide to demand 🙄

  • herecomestheoost on 15/08/2021 - 19:58

    You could be fined, but doing like you state… Just do it.

    • HeWhoKnows on 15/08/2021 - 23:26
      +1

      WRONG!

      • herecomestheoost on 16/08/2021 - 07:09

        lol

      • Laurana on 16/08/2021 - 21:08

        Even the cops said he could be fined for it so better err in the side of caution 🙄

  • strathfieldisatip on 15/08/2021 - 20:17
    -1

    I was 2 years old once. All I can tell you is that my IQ is low enough that I'm sure I wasn't able to tell the difference between a black tv screen and Fireman Sam

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