eBay Afterpay Day Is Just a Scam (Afterpay Limit Was Not High Enough)

A few weeks ago I joined Afterpay to take advantage of a 15% discount offer on eBay if payment was made using Afterpay. I bought a couple of items around the $30 mark and received the full 15% discount.

However, yesterday I went on to eBay to see if a particular washing machine and dryer that I wanted to buy were Eligible Items under eBay's 15% off Afterpay Day, which both eBay and Afterpay had advertising for days. Fortunately both the washing machine and dryer I wanted were Eligible Items.

Thinking that I would therefore automatically receive a 15% discount on the advertised selling prices of both items, I entered them in my Cart and proceeded to go ahead and purchase them. However, to my surprise when I went to purchase the washing machine which, after the Afterpay 15% discount was applied in the Checkout phase, came to $709, I was informed that I could only spend a maximum $515 using Afterpay. The reasons provided for this were that I was a relatively new Afterpay customer and, essentially had not created a credit history with them.

I am now in my 60s and after a lifetime of working have established a Credit Score of 98%. I do not owe anything and pay everything off, including credit cards, on time. How, then, can Afterpay tell me that my credit history is not good enough to purchase the two items I wanted to buy? Surely, if they won't allow me to demonstrate that I am not a risk of defaulting on my payments by allowing me to purchase the items I wanted to buy, then how can I possibly demonstrate that I have a good credit history? Also, how can someone establish a good credit history on Afterpay that would allow them to buy more expensive items on eBay through the purchase of many inexpensive items using Afterpay as the payment method?

One of the criticisms directed at Afterpay when they first started was that they were not checking the ability of people to pay for their purchases, thereby resulting in such persons being slugged big time with hefty late payment penalty rates. My understanding was that this situation had changed, with Afterpay and other similar lenders now being required to check the credit history of potential customers before allowing them to buy via platforms such as Afterpay. Clearly this is not the case.

It would seem that Afterpay is really not that much different to the vulture-type pay day lenders. Clearly, Afterpay's market is vulnerable people who are not able to meet scheduled payments and, as a result, end up having to make huge penalty payments, which is how Afterpay obviously rakes in the huge profits they make. Obviously, Afterpay is not interested in having customers who can make payments in full and on time.

Please do not think I am having a go at people who might struggle to make payments on time. I was once one of them and it is only through a lifetime of hard work that I am in the fortunate position I'm now in.

The fact is both eBay and Afterpay's widespread advertising of the 15% Afterpay Day marketing campaign is tantamount to fraudulent misrepresentation by refusing genuine and eligible purchasers the right to purchase 'Eligible Items' at a 15% discounted rate. There was no mention in eBay and Afterpay's T&Cs that limits would be imposed on how much you could spend. Sure, the T&Cs refer you to Afterpay's T&Cs, but really who reads such convoluted T&Cs every time a purchase is made on eBay.

Lesson learned: just wait until The Good Guys, Bing Lee and other reputable major retailers have sales and just simply pay via Credit Card without having to put up with eBay/Afterpay's sneaky and deceptive marketing strategies.

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Comments

  • +5

    sed -i 's/Afterpay/Plus/g' title.txt

  • +9

    Wait, eBay is somehow manipulating promotional sales to shit on their customers?

    Tell me more…

  • +6

    i thought there is a loophole by using ebay gift cards to pay for the balance?

    • That's what I did to spend $1000 although my afterpay was $600

  • +4

    How, then, can Afterpay tell me that my credit history is not good enough to purchase the two items I wanted to buy?

    But..

    The reasons provided for this were that I was a relatively new Afterpay customer and, essentially had not created a credit history with

    Not having a credit history with them would put you under 'not good enough/risky' category.
    They have a legal responsible lending obligations they must adhere to.

  • +2

    Credit Score of 98%??

    Since when were credit scores a percentage?

    • Whoops, credit score of 902 - big fingers, small keys and rushed typing.

      • +2

        At 60s, the lenders will look at other factors and not just your credit score with either Equifax, Experian or Illion (yes, you actually have three different scores on yourself). But lenders like Afterpay can set general limits too. Nothing personal, right?

        Regardless, afterpay promo is frustrating. As frustrating as the 20% off eBay promo regularly happened a few years back and seeing eBay sellers jacking up their price 25% up prior.

  • +14

    Afterpay don't to credit check. You need to build your own "score" with them.

  • +1

    You can still purchase items that are more expensive than your Afterpay limit. Your first (i.e. upfront) payment will be higher and will include the difference between the price of the item and your limit.

    According to their T&Cs they do not perform a credit check.

    "(c) You authorise us to make, directly or through third parties, any enquiries we consider necessary to verify your identity and assess your capability to make payments according to the Payment Schedule in relation to all Afterpay Orders. This may include performing repayment capability checks and verifying information you provide against third party databases. However, we will not conduct a credit check with a credit reporting bureau."

  • I had a similar experience with trying to get a new credit card. Admittedly I was trying to get the card for frequent flyer points. Despite the fact I could meet the income threshold; using share dividends and interest, my lifelong history of paying off my existing credit card and the not inconsiderable amount I have in the bank, shares and Super the credit card mob said I wasn’t eligible and would give me no reason as to why not. I asked for a review and they still turned me down. I think demonstrating you can, easily, pay of the debt is secondary to your likelihood of getting into debt and paying interest.

  • -1

    The real scam here is traditional lending using credit data collected by MNC to discriminate against people. People with no credit history can't get a loan and not being able to get loans means that they can't build credit history.

    The future of lending is where codes look at the LTV and issue a loan accordingly.

    • People with no credit history can't get a loan and not being able to get loans means that they can't build credit history.

      Everyone has their first, how are people getting approved for mortgages and CCs?

  • +6

    Everyone starts at $500 with AfterPay. After you repay your first few transactions, the credit will increase.

    Not a scam, I’ve made great savings in the last couple of days.

  • +26

    This is a long winded way to tell everyone you didn't understand how something worked, but it's everyone fault but yours.

    Afterpay don't do hard credit checks, nor would you want them to. Instead you get given an arbitrary but low limit which is built up over time based on your behaviour directly with them.

    • +2

      100% this.

      OP mentions credit checks which AP do not do, and claims that they should immediately give him higher balance based on.. the credit check that they don't do.

  • Lol

  • +2

    I remember when they used to try and call it AfterYay instead of AfterPay Day.

  • They are doing it out of the goodness in their hearts.

  • You lost me when you said afterpays profit.

    What profit???

  • +2

    It would seem that Afterpay is really not that much different to the vulture-type pay day lenders. Clearly, Afterpay's market is vulnerable people who are not able to meet scheduled payments and, as a result, end up having to make huge penalty payments, which is how Afterpay obviously rakes in the huge profits they make. Obviously, Afterpay is not interested in having customers who can make payments in full and on time.

    I love how you just assert this without any industry knowledge at all.

    Afterpay makes almost all of its income through the fees that are charged to sellers, i.e. its line of business is payments processing (think PayPal) more than consumer credit.

    It's basically exactly the same way that banks make money from credit cards.

    The whole idea of "lend money to vulnerable people and then charge them high interest" has never been a sustainable business model. Nobody has ever been able to make it work with any sort of scale. Yes, you have some small-time payday lenders as you're referring to, but that market practically does not exist.

    The entire industry has long ago found out that the much more profitable strategy is to monopolise the payments processing, and earn steady percentage income of all the payments that are made on a platform. This is exactly what VISA, MasterCard, PayPal…etc. do and it's exactly the same for Afterpay.

    The whole "pay in instalments" thing is broadly irrelevant and just a marketing gimmick.

  • +1

    I think you misunderstood the way Afterpay works.

    Afterpay doesn't do credit check so your Credit Score is irrelevant.

    When you started with Afterpay, you are as far as they are concerned, a new customer and so you need to build your profile with them. I started with $500.

    When you started using them (particularly after you paid off the final 4th instalment), your limit would most likely increase. In my case, I started with $500 and then $1,200 and then now a bit higher. Mind you I don't really need Afterpay but it is handy the fact they don't do credit check (so my future loan prospects would be unaffected) and the fact you can defer your repayments since they allow charging to credit card. But I digressed.

    Do also note just because you have say, "$500" on your balance means you can spend up to that much. Every purchase is not guaranteed with Afterpay (something they probably could have made it clearer I must admit).

    So my point is your inability to spend big on Afterpay is not a reflection of your credit worthiness. It is simply because you haven't been with them long enough or rather, have not purchased and settled your instalments often enough with them

    That is why you should not probably have signed up to Afterpay with the intention of taking advantage of 15% or any other specials. It does take time to build your profile.

    I am very happy with them. My only worry is Afterpay is the only one that does not do credit check so competition is very limited as others such as ZIP, Paypal 4, Humm, Latitudes, etc are all doing credit checks.

  • +1

    I have $2000 available at any time. But I've been with them for a couple years. Charge straight to amex to get points and get my cut from the merchant. As a shareholder i feel like im contributing.

  • -1

    Lol old fart doesn't understand after-pay makes it's own rules you start with a very low credit and as time goes on they will increase it over time sorry not sorry….

  • And if somebody is unable to make payments that is on THEM and only THEM, stop making excuses for your lack of responsibility

  • I've spent less than the OP and have $1500 available. I joined in May to take advantage of a previous eBay promotion. Items were paid off before 2nd payment was due.

  • +2

    TL:DR - I haven't used Afterpay long enough and don't understand it.

  • I recently tried afterpay for the same reason. I generally don’t buy things if I can’t pay for them outright, but the discounts were good. I had a 1.5k limit, which was frustrating but the same as a cleanskin it’s no credit cards, loans or savings history has to build up credit with a bank to get a big loan. It’s because they don’t check credit ratings that this is the case and how it’s been explained to me is it gives people with poor credit a fair go.

    So I’ll use it if the limit is big enough to buy what I’d like and suck it up if it’s not. I have made a point of putting a few smaller purchases on AP so I have a history with them, even though it’s unlikely I’ll use them again, and even less likely I’ll NEED to use them. At all.

  • And just to rub salt into the wound, your details are now Afterpays.. forever. Even if you delete your account they retain your info and there isn't anything you/we can do about it.

  • +1

    Same same… I always pay fully, but then thought to play with this AfterPay. I registered, and purchased two cheap items, and told credit was about $500. I attempted to make a third purchase, but was rejected - too many open accounts, apparently.

    I didn't work too much, bc I believe it is a computer algorithm.

    You can pay off these purchases quicker, so paid out one, and paid off next payment for the next.

    I think the "algorithm" will detect a "history" of paying off early, then learn to trust me.

    People who can't afford repayments, should stay away, or learn how to manage your finances. Stop buying things you can not afford.

  • +1

    Afterpay are protect you customer and itself once you pay off few more thing they let you do more.

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