Best Petrol/Diesel Cars to Own before The Full Shift to Electric

Zapped on 26/08/2021 - 10:09

There is no right - there is no wrong.
This discussion is all based purely on your opinion.

We know that many manufacturers have already committed to a full EV lineup by xxx-year which means Petrol/Diesel cars will eventually be used-car markets only.

What car/cars do you think are "must own/drive" before you shift to an electric car?

For me, it was a Honda S2000 as I think it was one of the most fun/engaging cars and the gearbox/steering just felt amazing.
I've luckily had the opportunity to own one for about 6-9 months many years ago.

Another one on my list is a V8 of some sort - perhaps a C63/C63S AMG for some European Muscle!

Let me know your thoughts below!

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Comments

    • magicpelgrave on 28/08/2021 - 18:54

      Congrats on ordering the new Z. I'm definitely pre-ordering the NISMO version when available.

  • mousie on 26/08/2021 - 11:19

    Landrover Freelander

  • JDMcarfan on 26/08/2021 - 11:30
    +2

    I'd agree with OP.
    My dream attainable (maybe not if prices keep going up) car is an S2000, and I'm secretly hoping that my future crypto profits will help my get one for an upcoming milestone b'day

    • Zapped on 26/08/2021 - 21:10

      Goodluck in your hunt!

    • CheeseBeans on 30/08/2021 - 10:11
      +2

      Unfortunately (like with many other Japanese shitboxes from the 90s/00s) the S2000 is barely any more affordable than a Cayman S or Exige now, especially if you want one sub 200,000 km's :(

      • JDMcarfan on 30/08/2021 - 10:18
        +1

        yeah sad life now. I remember when I got my licence clean ones were at the 20-23k mark, then once I got my fulls they were 25-30k, and now its anywhere from 50-75k.
        makes me more hurt that I'd didn't go buy one I enquired about in 2019, listed and sold for 13k after about a week on the market.
        Was priced low because it had 335k kms, and owner wanted it gone, but was a Canberra car its whole life so realistically wear would be pretty minimal compared to Syd drivers.
        Owner was an ex-consultant and had full service history from Honda, so other than general wear and tear it was in great condition, and I couldn't care less about the kms because it then it meant I could enjoy it more without having to worry about depreciation. If only I could contact whoever bought it and offer them 20k now.

  • GG57 on 26/08/2021 - 11:44
    +3

    I've driven a Lada years ago. That was fun.
    And a mini, and a beetle.

    • cimrak on 27/08/2021 - 11:12
      +2

      I tested a used Lada many years ago and agree it was a fun drive. Loved the truck-style suspension drivers seat when I went over rail tracks. Hardly felt them at all :)

  • Switchblade88 on 26/08/2021 - 12:13
    +1

    Plugin hybrids get the best of both worlds.

    Cheap, green power for local & suburban trips, then petrol backup for long drives as needed e.g. Sydney to Melbourne without any range anxiety.

    • JDMcarfan on 26/08/2021 - 15:17
      +1

      it's a brilliant solution and yet the VIC & impending NSW 2c/km tax completely write-offs the financial benefit of one over a regular Hybrid.
      Ofc many will be happy to go ahead regardless, purely for the environmental benefit, but it proves to be a headwind for mass-market acceptance,

      • Switchblade88 on 26/08/2021 - 17:26

        Yeah, glad I'm not in Vic and getting double-taxed.

        NSW still not at that point yet - though I actually don't know the take-up of EVs to see how far away from the 30% we are…

    • Rally Dave on 28/08/2021 - 11:23
      +1

      I'm looking at getting a plug in hybrid as my best towing solution ATM while EVs and charging networks develop. They might be the best of both worlds but they are also the worst. While using electric only you are still carrying around the engine, gearbox etc and having to service them. While running on the ICE, you are still carrying around the weight and size of the batteries and motors. Just hope the transition goes quickly and we get some usable EVs and good charging networks in Australia soon. This is now like pulling the bandaid off slowly as it is clear from what is happening around the world that we are going green with battery and hydrogen EVs.

      • Rally Dave on 28/08/2021 - 11:26

        Oh, and as for cars, anything with a flat plane crank, ie a car designed purely around performance. Love driving and currently have a turbo Falcon and an early EVO (motorsport use only) with a diesel burner to tow it.

      • Switchblade88 on 28/08/2021 - 12:15

        You're right about caring the extra weight, but in many situations it's better to sacrifice efficiency for flexibility. Who cares if either mode costs 10% more, when I'm still saving 60% of my annual fuel costs anyway?

        Besides, when working in hybrid mode neither engine is dead weight; they're both actively contributing to both the input energy for accelerating as well as recycling energy when braking. Hence the reason most mild hybrids, despite the extra weight, are much more efficient than their petrol only equivalents e.g. RAV4.

        They just don't get the additional bonus of cheap/green electricity from a plugin option.

    • [Deactivated] on 31/08/2021 - 23:37

      They are absolutely not the best of both world. You get the expense and servicing requirements of an ICE drivetrain, without the true performance of an EV, but with added weight. Pick your lane.

  • Gareth on 26/08/2021 - 12:31
    +6

    I'll nominate a Jaguar F-Type R. (P575, Coupe, 2020+ model).

    Jag will be all-electric from 2025. Don't have long for the Powerball to come in ;-)

  • Euphemistic on 26/08/2021 - 12:52
    +2

    Charger with a hemi. No, the old ones from the 70s

    • tonyjzx on 26/08/2021 - 20:09

      If you've seen the 300c SRT cop cars going around you'd see they're legit.

      Or any of the Cherokee SRT 6.4 things.

      Man what a sound.

      I think any pushrod V8, any of the m156 AMG 6.2 v8s…

      go further and any manual V8

  • netjock on 26/08/2021 - 13:08
    +3

    Buy whatever you like use it as a donor body. There is already an EV conversion industry popping up.

    Read an article about some guy in Melbourne paying tens of thousands to convert a DMC DeLoren (Back to the Future) to electric. Ends up costing more than a Tesla Model 3.

    • Mechz on 26/08/2021 - 13:09

      Resto-Mod is the term.

    • FireRunner on 26/08/2021 - 13:19
      +8

      He should use the car to go back in time and tell himself that converting to electric isn't worth it

    • Euphemistic on 27/08/2021 - 05:54
      +1

      There’s a local solar company that converted a deloren years ago. Think they are upgrading to Tesla swap now.

    • ProlapsedHeinous on 27/08/2021 - 23:12
      +2

      The cool factor alone makes it worth converting one of those to electric. unreliable pieces of shit they are.

      • netjock on 27/08/2021 - 23:52
        +1

        Only cool to look at. It has dreadful underpinnings. EV conversion won't solve fundamental flaws.

    • Rally Dave on 28/08/2021 - 11:28
      +1

      Ford are now doing electric crate motors (same specs as Mach-E). Just need to add battery and control system.

  • pegaxs on 26/08/2021 - 13:26

    Petrol: AMG GT-R
    Diesel: Kenworth T904

    • FocusRider on 27/08/2021 - 12:49

      GTR over black series?

      • pegaxs on 28/08/2021 - 08:39

        Realistically, I would like one of the GruppeM GT3 cars. Remember going to Macau to watch the GT and motorcycle racing and the sound of the AMG GT3 as it went past was the best sound I have ever heard from any race car, ever.

        So, a Black Series would be nice, but I would just be happy with any AMG GT-R.

    • jrowls on 26/08/2021 - 13:48
      +21

      It must be nice to be this confident about stuff you have entirely wrong.

      • tonyjzx on 26/08/2021 - 19:11
        +8

        Guy doesnt realise that petrol cars let you down too.

        Everything is fallible except the depths of that guy's ignorance.

    • Thinkscape on 27/08/2021 - 08:31
      +3

      Hahahhahaa nice one :-)
      Almost like a steampunk novel…

      Ok, I'm out of popcorn now so need to go … but cool story bro ;)

  • oz-romeo on 26/08/2021 - 20:20
    +4

    1 car that i would love to own before the electric era is the BMW E39 M5. Another one is the Ferrari 458. Right now i own a old camry (1999)… I would probably drive the thing till the day they stop selling petrol at the pumps

  • miwahni on 26/08/2021 - 22:18

    So many choices, so many cars… I think in the realm of never-gonna-happen, I want an A9X. On a more practical (read: affordable) level, there's an eight pot F pace Jag I fancy, and a Lexus IS350 F Sport. Don't fancy the insurance on any of them though.

    • OpayuOnam on 27/08/2021 - 07:37

      If we're dreaming I'd say:
      Lexus LFA
      Lexus LC500

      On insurance note though, IS350 F Sport is really not that bad. It's about 15% premium over my other car (ES300, but to be fair the ES insurance is a bit high as well due to age and luxo badge).
      Maybe you meant IS-F the 5.0 V8?

      • miwahni on 28/08/2021 - 00:29

        No I hadn't actually looked at the IS-F, adding to the list! Just thinking about the insurance increase from my current drive.

        • OpayuOnam on 28/08/2021 - 00:50
          +1

          Just for your reference, I'm with RACV under 30 M/F listed on both cars, excess for both is $700:
          ES: $1089 comprehensive agreed value $6600 (next year I will only do it for 3rd party probably)
          IS: $1224 comprehensive with glass agreed value $19900

          As another reference, my parents RX450h with AAMI is insured for $990 agreed value of $30,000, excess $800, parents are over 50. and they have a couple of accidents in their history.

          I went with RACV because they had best price for under 30s. About half the other insurers I tried didn't even want to insure an under 30 with the IS350 🤣
          So it's not as crazy as you would think. Now you want crazy, go and get a quote for LS600h or LS460. For my scenario cheapest I found was $4000!!! and that was with $1200 excess. This was with agreed lowest possible value of $24000 (even though the LS460 I was looking were both around $17k).

          better get some quotes before you buy these cars as insurance can be random.

          • DiscoJango on 28/08/2021 - 08:22
            +2

            @OpayuOnam: Insurers and their system are a strange thing: i had an is350 f sport, insured, all good. Bought a gs350 f sport, same insurer wouldnt insure me for it! When i questioned why, they couldnt tell me, they could only say their system rejected it. I said, you know its basically the same thing, only bigger and slower. Oh well, youve lost my business, took both the is & gs to racv who had no problems insuring me. Im a 35 yr old male btw.

            Am also seriously considering the upcoming nissan z, for the same reason others have listed: the last true jap turbo rwd manual to be released (that we know off). My only thought it, i could possibly stretch a bit more and get a gs-f! Im actually plenty happy with the power of the gs350, so i think ill still go with the z, with the intent of it being my forever car. I have many regrets on past sports cars that ive sold that are now highly desirable items.

            • OpayuOnam on 28/08/2021 - 08:35

              @DiscoJango: That's actually ridiculous, they must've messed up GS-F and GS350 in their system! It only takes a couple of seconds to look at power to weight ratio of IS350 and compare it to GS350 to realise which one is more dangerous and should be insurance banned 🤣 silly systems, which probably they don't even know how they work (I'm guessing there's actually shit tone of self learning algorithm in there so even Devs couldn't explain wtf).
              How do you compare your GS350 to the IS350? I have driven a GS450h and it's a beast and has so much power which it delivers smoothly, but still feels like you are pushing around a lot of mass, where as IS350 just feels like a rocket/go kart, it feels much more light and nimble than it actually is! And I think big part of that is the smart gearing it has plus the rev happy high compression engine!

              And yeah, I'm with you on the getting forever ICE cars since they would soon be gone. I've just never been able to get that click feeling with Nissan/Infiniti's I've driven, they all just feel a bit sub-par in terms of quality and the UX/UI of their cars are just too tacky, and that's saying something for someone who is okay with the Lexus UX/UI 🤣🤣🤣
              My friend had a soft top 370z which I used to drive, it was a fun car but it wasn't a place I wanted to be all day every day… Dunno I just didn't feel that car. And for some reason the 3.7L in that car just didn't feel as potent as I expected it to be. But am sure Nissan Z will be a legend just like GTR, from footage and articles I've seen Z is basically what Toyota should've tech shared with instead of stupid BMW Supra 😜

              • DiscoJango on 28/08/2021 - 08:45
                +1

                @OpayuOnam: I def gave them the gs's rego number so it came up as a v6, not the 8. Like i said, all their system told them was 'rejected', there was no reasoning behind it. As you mentioned, there is some back end logic, but who knows. I used to have a regular ford focus a few years ago, that was one of the most expensive cars ive had to insure tho! Reason being is, the body panels easily collapse or something, and if you get into an accident, there is a high chance of it just being a write off, rather than repairable. However the gs doesnt have anything like that, that i can think of? Same postcode, same owner etc etc all the variables were the same.

                In regards to the Z, it wont be a daily driver, so im not fussed about quality and user interfaces, although being a modern car i assume it to be half decent. Its funny, people watch all the insta/youtube videos and glorify sports cars as omg so cool. Let me tell you from past experience of owning 2 x mk4 tt supra's, their not all that lol, theres a lot of hype. Stock? Slow as shit. Comfortable? Hell no! Can you drive in peace? No, every p plater in a stock lancer and bogan in a ss commodore wants to tailgate and race you at every opportunity they can get.

                Its also the reason i want to physically see and drive the car before purchasing, i dont get how people can put a deposit sight unseen. It may drive like shit when it comes out, who knows?

                • OpayuOnam on 28/08/2021 - 08:51

                  @DiscoJango: Absolutely agree! Personally haven't owned any "sports" car due to the reasons you listed, plus I cannot justify a 1 truck pony in my current life style. That played a big role in me choosing the IS350, it's fast, it's comfy enough, you could drive in it all day, and most people don't know what kind of a car it is and it often gets confused with the IS250 variant :)
                  I just want a car I can drive and enjoy without it breaking the bank or my back 🤣

                  and yeah, what you said about deposit applies to everything not just cars! I really don't understand pre-ordering stuff, you won't know if it's good and the first batch very likely will have random bugs.

        • OpayuOnam on 28/08/2021 - 00:57

          And I'd go for either RC-F or GS-F instead of IS-F, as the IS-F is not as fast as you'd think specially compared to IS350 for the around town speeds. This is all thanks to silly gear ratio on IS-F, this was fixed on GS/RC-F.
          Really wish we got the IS500 down under, but thanks to new safety regulations which Australia is first to adapt we won't be getting the IS500 :'(

          • miwahni on 28/08/2021 - 01:22

            @OpayuOnam: Thanks for this info. I'm currently paying $580pa for 2018 WRX, but market value not agreed value, with $800 excess, via RACQ. Agreed value $38k (the max they'd do) pushed it up to $650. So $990 for agreed value of $30k is nuts, but your parents' accidents would be pushing that up. I had a hail damage claim two years back, no at-fault claims. I am going to go do some quotes though on the Lexus, for comparison - I dunno, I just imagined that an $85k car would be more than double my Suby.

            If it makes you feel any better about your $4000 quote, neither ING or Qantas car insurance would even give me a quote on the Suby - get to the end of the quote process and then get a message saying they can't offer me insurance at all.

            • miwahni on 28/08/2021 - 01:27

              @miwahni: Okay IS350 F Sport, 2021 model, $1115.89 so not quite double but seriously not as bad as I'd expected!

              • OpayuOnam on 28/08/2021 - 01:39

                @miwahni: there you go, and that's a brand new car which costs about $80k delivered give or take (assuming enhancement pack + on road costs). so if it goes busted insurer has to replace that with a brand new one for 1-2 years (each have their own rules but most are 1-2 years brand new replacement)…
                not bad, not bad at all.
                I just realised WRX and WRX STI are two different cars, and that's why I was partly surprised about your insurance being so low 🤣

                • miwahni on 04/09/2021 - 00:37
                  +1

                  @OpayuOnam: LOL yes WRX not quite the boy racer.. that plus age and length of time with insurer, all add into lower premium. About the only good thing about getting older, really.

            • OpayuOnam on 28/08/2021 - 01:35

              @miwahni: Hahaha that was my experience with the IS350 on a whole bunch of insurers.
              There's city to city variation in price (sometimes even suburb to suburb), but yes my parents accident history does push theirs up a bit, but $650 is too low for WRX here in Melbourne…
              Their old Mitsubishi Lancer was the cheapest insurance we had at $600 at agreed value of $10000.
              Based on stories from a couple of friends I've just been conditioned to always do agreed value, so claim time there's no ifs/buts.
              Now go to Sydney to see how high insurance prices are (uncle pays about double my parents for a similar car over there).

              But keep in mind, luxury brands always tend to have a higher premium even if current value is the same as a none luxo, because insurer still has to buy expensive parts or do more expensive repairs (goes for both parts and paint). For example a mirror for my ES300 costs about $2.5k from Lexus Australia or $1.2k imported from Japan, it's got motor, heater and memory built into it, a mirror for the Camry of the same age as the ES is about $200 from your local autoshop.

      • yoyo on 30/08/2021 - 06:58

        Lc500 is a lot more approachable than lfa, good luck finding an lfa for under $500k if you find one to start off with. Lc500 would be a keeper if you can afford one IMO

        • OpayuOnam on 30/08/2021 - 07:20

          See I think the maintenance upkeep is the killer for both those cars.

          LFA $500k? They seem to be appreciating, the ones that go on sale are all over $7-800k, the good ones over $1mil.

          LC500 has not depreciated as much as I was expecting either so I guess time will tell.

          Both bloody good cars and bargains for what they are, the problem is me 🤣

  • BrettSh on 27/08/2021 - 08:33
    +8

    Lemme see… well if you want something fun and aren't obsessed with muscle
    - 2022 GR86 or BRZ, if you can wait and have the budget
    - 2012 to 2021 GT86 or BRZ if you want something cheaper
    - MX5

    If you can drive a manual then, preferably with a self shifter

    • dajackal on 28/08/2021 - 18:39

      Very reasonable options especially if petrol prices continue to increase

    • Leeroy Jenkins on 31/08/2021 - 21:35

      These, are true enthusiasts cars, very fun track toys. Solid recommendations!

  • Thinkscape on 27/08/2021 - 08:46
    +4

    Honestly, once I got my first Tesla it ruined other cars for me…
    Everything else now feels slow, clunky, noisy, sluggish and outdated.

    I wouldn't drive another fossil if you gave it to me for free (and paid for increasingly expensive petrol)

    A mid-tier stock Model 3 is quicker than 95% cars on the road.
    A slightly modified $100k version of Model 3 is quicker on track than most supercars 🤷🏻‍♂️
    Even the cheapest one comes with better infotech than all the other "premium" brands.
    I drive for free charging from solar, charge for free at destination and shopping centres (before covid), without solar full charge from the grid (off peak) is around $6 (540km range), on longer road trips across AU at fast chargers it's around $35 to top up.

    Before I made the switch I rented a few models for weekends on https://www.evee.com.au/ …

    • AustriaBargain on 28/08/2021 - 01:26

      How many Teslas do you own?

    • Commander Shepard on 28/08/2021 - 10:45

      How do Telsas go on track? Id imagine anything with a lot of corners that really work the electric motors would start to make them overheat after a few laps from an experianced driver. Teslas seem to be king of the dragstrips more then anything else.

      Then again, would you even want to take a heavy automatic electric car on track on a ongoing basis?

      • CheeseBeans on 30/08/2021 - 10:18
        +2

        From driving one I don't think I'd enjoy one on track. They can do good times, even on tighter track work if range/heat isn't a big problem), but I'd rather take an 86, exige, cayman, anything like that to the track any day instead.

        • Commander Shepard on 30/08/2021 - 11:40

          Ah k, I havn't driven a Tesla yet. But I can imagine they would make great dailys. Especially when you get the chance to zoom off at the lights with all that torque. And the peace and quiet of not having an engine.

          As for a track car. Even if they can get these batteries to not overheat or run out quicker. The sounds, smells and vibrations you get from having a petrol engine is a big part of motorsport. It will take a while for the culture to change.

          • CheeseBeans on 30/08/2021 - 11:44
            +1

            @Commander Shepard: The sound, noise, whatever aside, it just didn't feel like a driver's car.

            Sure, it's fast, but it's all soft, the steering doesn't have feel to it, the brakes are spongey, and while it handles okay you can feel the heft of the car.

            I'm sure something like the Rimac (astronomically out of my price range) feels very different.

      • Leeroy Jenkins on 31/08/2021 - 21:37

        I have not driven a Tesla, but with the weight of these cars, I can hardly imagine they'd be fun on track. Drag race? Sure, but that's prob it.

        • [Deactivated] on 31/08/2021 - 23:41

          You know a Model 3 Performance weighs the same as a BMW M3, right?

    • MandMs13 on 29/08/2021 - 17:43
      -1

      "….better infotech than all other "premium" brands"…. Yet no sign of basic Android Auto or Apple Carplay anytime soon. At least you get your kicks out of farting noises then.

      "…quicker on track than most supercars"…. Depends, are you talking straight line, 400m from a dig (where the one-trick pony has the advantage with max torque available from rest), or a proper track that involves cornering, braking and some kind of duration > than about 11.5 seconds? Don't forget, that the Model S lapped the Nurburgring in the 10+ minute range, 1 second off a Prius' time. Show me a Model 3, or any premium EV, run 10 laps (or even 5 laps) around any racetrack without it limping home with massive power reduction, battery temps, and due to it's heavy weight, soaring tyre and brake temps. Then sit on the side of the road for 90 minutes to recharge your battery, meanwhile your "most supercars" are actually enjoying the thrills their car brings lap after lap.

      • [Deactivated] on 31/08/2021 - 23:42

        The new Tesla Plaid doesn't go into limp mode when lapping. Brakes are a problem, but an easy upgrade.

    • CheeseBeans on 30/08/2021 - 10:15

      I went and drove a model 3 the other day. It was a very good commuter car, but as far as a car to enjoy (around a track etc.) I didn't think it really sold itself.

      If all I cared about was driving around comfortably it's definitely something I'd consider

  • Boogerman on 27/08/2021 - 08:59
    -3

    Extend yourself & buy a used Nissan Leaf
    Massive depreciation on fossil fuel cars has already started (regardless of a short term chip shortage)

    • OpayuOnam on 28/08/2021 - 00:53
      +4

      You must not have tried to purchase a car in the last 18 months.
      1-2 year old cars are selling around the same price as RRP!
      10 year old cars are selling for what 3-5 year old cars were selling for pre-covid…

      I'd love for electric cars to become more affordable, as they should be since they are simpler and cheaper to manufacture, but it feels like we're still 5-10 years away from that dream.

      • Boogerman on 28/08/2021 - 06:02
        -2

        Look at State Governments providing EV incentives yet Federal does f.a. Grifters & dinosaurs. Go in & on about the free market, yet ignore economies of scale & externalities. Voters. Ugh.

    • DiscoJango on 28/08/2021 - 08:51
      +1

      "Massive depreciation on fossil fuel cars has already started"

      Wtf? Almost every single used car has now appreciated, some even doubled in value???

  • peter-2025 on 27/08/2021 - 09:17
    +2

    Porsche 911 - 997.2 - reliable engine, last 911 with hydraulic steering, fun to drive, reasonably practical as a daily driver.

    • Commander Shepard on 28/08/2021 - 10:28

      Yep thats a dream car of mine. I ended up getting a 987.2 2.9L Manual Cayman. I guess thats the the more affordable alternative to the 997.2. But I am sure its just as fun as the 911.

      • freddofrog42 on 28/08/2021 - 12:22

        It's what I'd buy out of the two for pure driving fun though and save $$$$

        Or a Boxster / MX5 as a convertible

  • drewbytes on 27/08/2021 - 10:32
    +1

    Datsun 1600 - had some in the past but want another.

    • 811b11e8 on 28/08/2021 - 12:19

      Super fun cars!

  • Mark1159 on 27/08/2021 - 12:45
    +2

    Mustang GT ol school V8 muscle car

  • FocusRider on 27/08/2021 - 12:50
    +1

    Daily - Audi RS6
    Weekender - Porsche GT3RS

  • Davion on 27/08/2021 - 14:14
    +1

    Good choice on the s2k. That would be my number one choice as well. I drove mine from Perth to Sydney many years ago and it was just a joy to drive.

    I sold few years later and got a 986S which I'd also recommend as well

  • saltypete on 27/08/2021 - 19:31

    Have bought a V8 Petrol Nissan Patrol. Loving it!
    Just have to see what happens, although I may be owning the last of the big motor 4wds. 😁

  • Cheapsize on 27/08/2021 - 21:44

    Any Mazda using a skyactive X engine your getting diesel milage on a petrol engine.

  • WaveZero on 27/08/2021 - 22:07

    Lotus Emira

    But unfortunately it's too expensive :'(

  • UncleMurphy on 28/08/2021 - 09:49

    Can't beat the sound of the Ferrari V6TT of the Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio (RWD, Sedan) if you want the funny factor OR the Stelvio Quadrifoglio (AWD, SUV) if you want the practical part.

  • Commander Shepard on 28/08/2021 - 10:22
    +2

    I think the cars to keep will be any type of enthusiast product. Sports cars, offroaders, super sedans or wagons. The hard part is judging if they will ever come down in price again. Or is the time for electrification too close and people have started putting cars away.

    I have a NA MX5, Porsche Cayman 987.2 and 370Z in the garage. Hoping to one day add a Clio 3 RS, S2000, MK1 TT and NC2 MX5 to the mix. I don't think I can justify the S2000 prices now, especially since they cost as much as a tidy Boxster/Caymans. Unless a ripper deal on a AP2 shows up, the S2000 boat may have sailed.

    If I had unlimited funds and storage space. (Not counting cars from the pre-2000s). These are my dream cars.
    LC500, LFA, 718 GTS 4.0, 4C, Alpine, 458 Spyder, 911 997.2, Gallardo, Cayman R, Giulia QV.

    My current goal is to be able to afford and justify getting into a 718 GTS 4.0L Boxster before they cease manufacturing them in a few years time.

    • freddofrog42 on 28/08/2021 - 12:25
      +1

      Nice choices and personally I've never been a fan of the S2000 or VTEC Hondas in general…

    • PGee on 28/08/2021 - 18:55

      nice choices indeed. How is the Cayman 987.2? I currenly have manual 135i and an ND mx-5. Have a deposit for tesla but strongly considering to cancel because of the same opinion of may as well enjoy these cars while we can

      • Commander Shepard on 28/08/2021 - 20:33
        +2

        The 987.2, same with any of the newer Cayman or Boxsters, is essentially the perfect daily two seater sports car in my eyes. Everything is excellent. Engine, transmission (whether manual or auto), mid-engine platform, hydraulic steering, reliability. While having the brand recognition and good looks. As well as having good storage space and ride comfort that isn't bone shattering, nor as floaty as a ND.

        Yes its not as lightweight as the Lotus Elise or a MX5. But its still 1300kgs. Which is roughly 500kg less then a Mustang.

        I love the ND (I owned 2). And I do think the gear change of the ND does feel better. And the simplicity of the roof is great. But that damn passenger legroom is unforgivable on the ND. Hence I prefer the NC2 now.

  • Brick Tamland on 28/08/2021 - 11:48
    +1

    I’ve been thinking about this a lot. We are probably past peak petrol now and r&d is most likely to be moved away from petrol after this generation of cars.

    I’ve always had V8’s and never owned a fun little sports or hot hatch. So I am thinking about trading the v8 for a gr86 or would love the new zed. But then I am worried that if I trade in the v8 I will never have another one again.

  • wog_ta on 28/08/2021 - 11:55
    +4

    My pick would be Mustang GT in Manual.

    Its a coupe, RWD, manual, V8 and i think will be much rare going into the future. Also I would presume less electrical gremlins as opposed to a German car.

    • Brick Tamland on 28/08/2021 - 13:26

      I've wanted one of these for a while but they are overpriced now.

  • Dogsrule on 28/08/2021 - 13:58

    I want a restored version of our first family car - 1978 Datsun 120Y, which we had till 2005.

    Yeah, we were poor.

    • Fobsessive on 28/08/2021 - 15:08

      What happened to it in the end?

      • Dogsrule on 28/08/2021 - 15:41

        Rust claimed it unfortunately.

    • s1Lence on 28/08/2021 - 18:32
      +2

      wow that car looks pretty nice, amazing that it lasted that long
      front looks like it was copied by the honda e

      • Dogsrule on 30/08/2021 - 08:27
        +1

        Yeah the engine/transmission was absolutely bulletproof. Unfortunately nearly all of them suffered severe body rust which killed them in the end. Not many left now.

  • TheMindsetTraveller on 28/08/2021 - 15:14
    +1

    Assuming money was not a consideration, I would be thinking of a late model and must be naturally aspirated.

    For performance-orientated, a Porsche 911 GT3 (6cyl, 4.0l)

    To lazy cruiser, a Lexus LC500 (8cyl, 5.0l)

  • beefmaster on 28/08/2021 - 16:35
    +1

    I would get a at Kia Stinger. Probably the last performance sedan at reasonable price. Possibly more reliable than Benz AMG after 5 years so may be it can be driven for a long time.

  • raptormesh on 28/08/2021 - 16:48

    Lancia Stratos kit car.

    Will probably get one anyway, I don’t expect to drive for reasons other than for fun.

  • Orico on 28/08/2021 - 17:38

    Any Toyota Petrol/Hybrid. They don't lose their value all that much. A 5 year old used corolla still costs the same as it did 5 years ago.

    Holden V8s with good resale value. I couldn't how much my friend sold his Calais for to some rich bogans in QLD.

  • rsw65 on 28/08/2021 - 18:41

    Any sort of older Diesel (pre DPF) (eg Landrover series 2 or 3) that you can run forever by refining cooking/ fish-chip oil into Diesel. My dream.

    • Oofy Doofy on 30/08/2021 - 12:39

      Only have to filter the gunk out of it. It can also gel at warmer temps than the usual diesel, but that's easily solved with an additive.

  • Priester-Aus on 28/08/2021 - 19:22
    +1

    Toyota FJ Cruiser
    Subaru WRX

    • Serapis on 31/08/2021 - 09:21

      +1 WRX

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