I applied for a casual job and during the early interview stages they said it was only casual available and I said that was fine.
I went through two interviews and reference checks and now the offer is full time.
The full time salary is way too low for me and not something I’m willing to entertain.
The casual rate is more suitable and suits my lifestyle more at the moment.
This would be a - 40% pay difference if I accepted the full time to my last job.
How do I approach this with them?
"wE havE a LAboUr shOrTagE".
But big business won't hire anyone without 10 years experience. Dogs
take it John.
Are you worried about the pay or the lack of flexibility?
Consider just asking you'd only take full time for 20% more money?
If they want someone working 9-5 M-F and you can't do that then theres not much to negotiate on!
Both. This was only suppose to be a stop gap casual role to avoid going on Centrelink, not my next full time career move.
The casual rate is more suitable and suits my lifestyle more at the moment.
Stiff shit for your lifestyle, take the work while its there. Surely some money is better than nothing….
I think the point is, I’d be able to work 3-4 days casual for more money if needed and they’ve offered full time for less.
This was only suppose to be a stop gap casual role to avoid going on Centrelink, not my next full time career move. I don’t have the desire to do with work full time, particularly for the low rate.
Good luck telling them you CBF working full time
Who? Centrelink or the employer?
@John678: Mate just bring it up with them. They've invested time in you through interviews, they may csee reason. They've really dogged you here.
Then say no, you can only do casual…
Scott Morrison is a casual worker. Maybe have a word to him? He's very experienced at turning up for 30 mins.
Replace Scumo with John678. Prob solved.
Well it’s a broad question…how old are you? How long have you been looking for work? Why is this a stop gap? Can you not find FT work in the field that you are looking to make a career in?
Early 30s. Left my last job due to bullying. Have taken 2 months off but want to move interstate before I start looking for natural progression
role.
This job offer is completely work from home, which as a causal I was going to use to get a rental in the state I’m moving to and then begin looking for that proper equivalent role.
I’m also still recovering from a break down and wanted to ease back into it.
You will have more chance getting a rental if you can show FT position. Real estates don’t care how much you earn as a casual, it’s too uncertain at the moment.
Nothing stops you from taking the FT role just for a couple of months and then leave. You could also try and negotiate the package
I'd just take it. WFH jobs are rare and are especially valuable in this climate. Better to do a FT WFH job than WFTD in a few months if you can't find a second job or they don't want a casual. Wouldn't hurt to ask them for the casual position instead and say it was advertised as such but I would still accept the FT position if they said no.
The company probably went back, did the math and realised that on an annualised basis, the full time position was cheaper. If it is a reasonable sized company, they most likely wont budge.
He applied for a casual role and at the last minute the employer changed the hours and salary, doesn't sound like he's being entitled just sounds like a scummy employer.
You can't argue with Boot Lickers, to be honest
“Hi thanks so much for the job offer. However based on all information provided up until this point I was under the impression that it was a casual position. Can you please clarify what has changed and why?”
OP to employer: you changed the goal posts, go (profanity) yourself.
and then sashay away
What's the problem, just state to them you expected a casual role, and that is what you thought you were applying for. If you knew the role was for full time you wouldn't have applied.
I said try your lucky negotiating
How do you approach them?
Well, you could say that what you applied for and discussed was the Casual Vacancy and can you have
that Paperwork to review their offer…
or
you can not approach them and they got your "response" right there.
(I'm glad we had this talk).
(Usual Rates?)
I'm in a similar spot. I just played hard ball.
Luckily my casual role is in need anyway.
What happened in your situation?
There are plenty of people that will take the job in the current condition. Do the right thing and move along so that they can hire the right person for the job.
The company should do the right thing, and advertise for a full time position if they want someone full time.
Maybe the company already filled the casual position and then a fulltime position came up so they offered it to the second best applicant.
The full time salary is way too low for me and not something I’m willing to entertain.
The casual rate is more suitable and suits my lifestyle more at the moment.
Be honest, tell them that, see how you go. If you desperately need the job then don't say anything and accept the offer.
Are you taking into account super contributions?
plus annual leave and sick leave.
It’s going to take time to build up leave. I wanted a long holiday when borders open.
I mean if you’re thinking about overseas vacations then you’re probably not desperate for the $$. Just tell them casual fits your situation better, wherever the chips may fall.
I am.
And paid sick leave and stuff.
I would approach the conversation from the point of view of rejecting their offer. Just the usual, "thanks so much for the offer, I'm flattered you offered me full-time. However I'm currently unable to accept a full time position. Thanks for considering me"
They might be stretched and take you on regardless of what they may be needing. You're preventing them feeling embarrassed or being angry if you don't bring up the whole 'you said'…
I guess in the meantime keep applying, I'm sure something will come up.
The increasing casual-isation of Aussie workforce is actually a problem. You attitude is not in the national interest
Forced casualisation is not in the national interest - workers having a choice is.
You could always take it and just keep looking for another job and just quit if you find another job.
classic bait n switch
Not sure why people are being so harsh and responding like dicks on here, your question is completely valid.
I'd stick to my guns and as others have mentioned, try to negotiate the position back to casual. Employers are usually more flexible than you think, and tbh as someone who hires people I'm lazy myself. I'd rather just give someone casual than bother going through the interview process again.
But it is important to do what's right for you, especially coming out of a bad previous role. If you hate the first role back then it can make be demotivsting enough to cause further issues finding further roles.
Best of luck with it all.
If you went in with every intention of it being casual, been informed / advertised as casual, and only wanted casual… Respond to the offer politely explaining it is different from what had been discussed and expected.
It could just be a good old HR screw up in paperwork.
Why not negotiate for a 20% increase on the full time job?
Same pay, better entitlements.
without knowing the background, maybe just explain that you're currently only looking for casual work, and that that's why you applied for this role. But do it politely, because you don't know what the reason is for the change. But don't just go along with it if you're not happy, otherwise you'll get 6 months in and you'll be bitter about it the second something goes wrong at work; maybe not on purpose, but it'll be the first thing that pops into your head.
Otherwise, it's kind of a bait-and-switch. It's easy for people to comment here saying Oh wElL ArEn'T YoU tHE eNtiTLeD oNE? but if it doesn't suit your situation, then it doesn't matter what else you've been offered.
No… you went wanting part time.
Interview is actually a two-way street. It offers you an opportunity to bargain with your talents.
You tell them that their offer does not fit within your personal aims and that you feel like grabbing them by the ears yelling "I am not @#$%ing interested!"
He doesn't want part time, he wants casual. There's a big difference.
Tell them to jack the pay up to casual rate whilst still being in full time or else change back to casual.
Update:
She said she had a spot for full time and thought I wanted full time (because I said my availability is really good in like the first interview).
Anyway, I decided just to take it with it being full time giving my better leverage when applying for places interstate. It’s a side step for now but if I do the hard yards for a while here I can take that long trip next year.
I went through two interviews and reference checks and now the offer is full time.
How do I approach this with them?
Just point this thread to them and wait for them to get back to you…
Willco88 on 26/08/2021 - 17:36 Comment score below threshold.