The time is coming where things will start opening up and some organisations will be better at it than others. How important is flexibility to you and will it impact your choices?
Return to Office - Will You Leave a Job That Goes Back Full Time
Vote for Pedro on 02/10/2021 - 11:27
Poll Options
- 825Flexibility is now expected and will influence my career choices
- 147It is what it is and I’ll cop what the boss says
Comments
@Vote for Pedro: I've found personal interactions are far better. 90% of them helped to resolve the issue/problem far quicker than if one had to resort to phoning someone.
sounds like your workplace is just full of timewaters then.
and you can't tell me video calls and chats can replace face to face interaction without any downsides.
@keejoonc: My experience with offices is no one know where anyone sits and so they just call them/teams/skype them as its more efficient.
Now what's the difference between calling them from inside the office and from home?
And FWIW i'm a big advocate for face to face interaction but unfortunately time is money and walking between floors/office spaces is time that can be spent working on your project (at least thats how the company's management see it).
Don't get me started on pointless face to face meetings either.
@keejoonc: All your arguments or whatever that you are typing, are just absurd, meaningless and outdated.
You need to grow up keej
You should quit just because you can't work from home. Such a tough life. I am sure tons of people want a job like that. All the health and other industries that are required to go to workplace with 0 wfh don't get that luxury.
everyone is self entitled these days. they used to get paid to go to work and now they expect to get paid to wfh. part of working is interacting with people face to face. even with zoom and team meetings etc, it will never replace face to face interaction. gotta love how people scream and throw hissy fit over lockdowns but yet they want to be at home when it comes to work. double standard much?
You’re in commercial real estate aren’t you?
thinking you are so smart as usual. try again Pedro.
I'll take your job if you want, hopefully those not vaccinated I can steal their job as a Asian female I'll work cheap.
Sometimes I feel the government needs to get with the times
We made flexible workplaces work during covid and our office wants us back full time, no wfh.Honestly I think its pretty poor management by the older board members to force people back
If you want a more efficient government how about they start cutting back on costs I.e. Office lease space and utility billsI might leave it.
Time is money, the cost of transport to and from work is also significant. So I would estimate the monetary value of working from home and factor it into any decision to work elsewhere.
To me an even more important aspect is work from anywhere. This is what Telstra, Atlassian and many (Google, PWC) in US have now as policy. This will allow people to work from regional cities, rural areas. AirBnbs whatever. I want to travel and work.
Yeh working in the regions can save a bit of money. Certainly big time on housing, with most services also being a bit cheaper e.g restaurant meals.
Another option is to live and work remotely from somewhere like Vietnam, Thailand or Malaysia - as your purchasing power will triple for many things - though family ties etc.. will keep most people from doing it.
But the likes of Facebook now reduce your salary based on your WFH location.
Hmm, returning to the office…
Get up and put on some business-casual / corporate attire, head to train station, watch as first 2 trains arrive full, squeeze onto the 3rd train.
Duck through the crowds to reach office, join the queue for the lift, enter office and begin search for a free 'hotdesk'.
Find a desk at the arse-end of the office with a broken monitor and mouldy coffee cup. Clean desk and log a request for someone to fix monitor.
Girl to my right starts a conference call on speaker phone.
Guy to my left is coughing and sneezing, but thinks he is heroic for bringing himself and his germs to the office.
Eventually find my colleagues, all scattered across the office in separate areas.
Take a toilet break - first cubicle looks like a jackson pollock painting and smells of death, second cubicle - someone doesn't know how to lift the toilet seat before peeing, third cubicle is usable but no paper. Go to another floor to find a clean toilet.
Pass the kitchen where the career psychopaths are loitering, desperate to catch the leadership team as they get a drink so they can suck up to them.
Manage about an hour of work before lunch, then head outside and join a queue to purchase some food.
The second half of the day is much like the first, and employers wonder why staff prefer working from home.Good synopsis for the start of a work-based tv drama! Love it.
You’re dead right though, in some cases the drudgery of office work is miserable.
Maybe only those “career psychopaths” should be forced to make the commute, they’re the only one who want to be there….I can't even bare the thought of it. It is so liberating being able to choose when, where and how you work and not have to deal with a commute and office politics. I spend most of my days during the 'working week' out and about enjoying fresh air and sunshine, then work at night. Most people who work in an office are skilled in some area and capable of self employment, it is just taking that first step which is hard for many and I can understand may not be possible for those with a family to take care of or those with lavish lifestyles. But those who are young and/or childfree, give it a go.
Only 2 self employed people in this thread. 3 now including me. I'd never go back to that life that came before this.
I find people are good at talking but very few will commit to a major change. Apparently even after a global pandemic. 🤷♂️
As for your family comment, I home school my daughter on top of running my ABN and ACN. Anyone can do it, if they choose to. It's not always easy, honestly home schooling is the hardest part. But home schooling isn't forever, the rest gives me a perfect work life balance and is very manageable. I go for 5km walks every day around lunch time. Being free to do whatever needs to be done during business hours is handy too.
Keep going please. This is good stuff.
There are plenty of people waiting in line who are ready to work full time and in the office.
Unless these requests are mandated by the government, I wouldn't get too comfortable with the idea that businesses that exist to make profits will willingly lose money to cater to people's personal expectations.
Managers are expecting team members to leave if they don't get flexible benefits. And they are looking forward to relieving them of their role and re hiring someone at lower wages. That's just the world we live in.
It is the world we live in, but many people don't actually understand that. And think it's a democratic way of working. Where it's completely totalitarian.
Posters above think I'm triggered, and think we're talking strictly about flexibility. They're naive.
It's through coercion and repression. It does not permit individual freedom. If it's not okay by the managers or bosses you don't get it. You're a number.
But most people don't see it. Living under an illusion or just I'm denial.
Yes well that's the consumer world we live in. We work jobs we hate to buy shit we don't need.
So whats the solution?
There is none. Even if you don't buy anything and live off what you grow, there's no free land in Australia. So you have to work just to exist.
True but there is also plenty of options out there, it can be challenging seeing yourself doing anything else but what you have always known and been doing for years but it doesn't mean that it's impossible.
I haven't worked full time in an office in 3 years now. I was barely doing a day a month in the office when we were out of lockdown. Doubt I'll be avoiding the office for as long as I can. Unless we get a nicer office to work in.
Agree with the nicer offices… most of them are so shit here in Melbourne
I want to WFH because I could potentially work 2 different jobs at the same time where as in the office you are locked to 1 job.
I'm a 30 min bicycle ride and 45 min run to the office so for the benefit of my own fat ass, it's better I go back. I also tend to work through lunch and up to dinner time while at home so I'll likely down tools and gtfo of the office asap therefore it's actually better for me to be in the office.
This is 100% true for me as well. The hardest part has been the separation of work from home life. I’ve started internationally going for a 15 minute walk before and after work and that triggers my mind the separation needed. Also helps get me off my ass.
where are you walking internationally?
This poll is really biased with the implication that people want to work from home. I'm back working from home due to lockdown and I much prefer the office, I am far more productive, and I feel I am better able to execute my job in the office, which makes me feel like what I am doing has more worth and is more useful to those in my team. It is also a lot easier to jump from task to task in the office.
I work for a small business so am basically back in the office when it isn't lockdown, and I will be back in full time as soon as I can be.
I felt the same way back when I started to WFH, used to hate it and loved going into the office so much that I would even go in on the days that were assigned as "WFH days". Now I love it and don't want to go back. The time and money I save from commuting far outweighs the benefits of going into the office.
The only crap thing about WFH is that my workmates take FOREVER to reply on Teams that it can actually affect my productivity somewhat.
85% of people (so far) have said greater workplace flexibility (inc WFH) will influence their career decisions. That’s not an insignificant figure for a poll, biased or not.
Like all polls they tend to reflect the desires of people rather than reality. Everyone wants more flexibility and claims it is important, but when it comes to the hard decisions most will take the guaranteed pay and job security over additional flexibility.
Oh of course.
I had flexibility before COVID, during COVID and don't expect much of that to change after.
Will it be 100% WFH or not in an office? Nope, but that's not the end of the world for me and I don't have this sudden entitlement that everyone else seems to have about never going back to an office anywhere.
If I was forced out of the office I work in (mostly alone), to another site that only offers hot desking I'd find another job.
Hot desking is just the worst and the managers who push it and think it's wonderful are just as soulless and terrible as majority hot desk offices are.Things I'd like changed that have arisen during COVID that were much less of an issue (or not an issue) pre-COVID:
- Parents who WFH, do school pickups, drop-offs, teach, snacks, afternoon entertain their children (if they like it or are stuck doing it). These people (in my situation) are impossible to get hold of during regular business hours since COVID hit and everyone went home (VIC, so 19 months).
- The now expected new available hours that these parents have, calls and meetings from 5am-11pm for starting times, those same people expecting replies late at night as that's now when THEY get their work done. Thought it would settle down but it's still a regular thing they're happy with and as it works for them it won't be stopping.
- The loss of a whole room where I live at my own expense just for work, it's not a big place and I've lost the only area that was for me with zero compensation. Not only that I don't want to spend all day in that room working, then any more time in that room later in the night or the weekend (PC gaming etc, that's all been taken down now as there was not enough room for both)
- Not me but others I know, similar to the above stuck working at a kitchen table, kitchen bench, small desk or other makeshift setup in a small apartment or when sharing a house with others doing the same, not having a boundary between work and home is not going well for a lot of people. Many of them also pushed to be seen "online" all the time or being pushed (forced?) to use webcams on meetings like that makes everything better. I just feel sorry for them when you see how bad their working setup is.Things I've learned since COVID hit and we were all forced to WFH:
- I have no friends. The people I thought were friends weren't it was just convenience for them. Those friends with kids have gone radio silent and are totally wrapped up with either their kids or friends that also have kids as their nightmares sync up and can swap stories(?).
This shift in how they now run their lives seems to exclude the ability to return txts, calls, other platform messages (group chats have even died), especially if you're not within their 5kms (yes that's now 15kms but big f'ing deal lets not pretend that's a real freedom).
- That if you're no longer F2F in an office where you regularly see people for years and years, unless you have direct dealings with them (98% of the office I don't in my role) then you will never hear from those people again, even when you'd get along and have a chat or do regular lunches or catch-ups etc.Workplaces for most employees should now have their eyes open for what they can change and what they can offer in flexibility for people.
And maybe for once it extend past parents who in many of the previous work places I've been at have already had quite a lot of flexibility which they didn't realise, but those without children (less than 40% of the offices) were never extended the same flexibility. That's something I hope to see change.each to their own, personally I am bored out of my mind being stuck at home for the last couple of months, I miss my regular coffee shops/lunch places (assuming they are still around), have a walk around the city and browse the shops during my lunch break etc.
OTOH, I wouldn't say no to 1 or 2 days per week of WFH either.
Nothing makes the people of Perth feel more isolated than stories of “return to normal” or “lock down”.
Nothings really changed here.Perth? Where is Perth?
Where AFL goes when Melbourne closes for 250 days.
Flexibility > Income , what a time to be alive lol
You clearly don’t have a family to feed
Yes. 3d at home currently and it's great (I enjoy the 2d in the office too). If this changes I'll look for somewhere that still offers WFH. Saying that, I doubt that this company (a big 4 miner) will go back to no WFH.
There's a lot less WFH jobs than people wanting to WFH.
You can't just quit expecting another job to be lined up unless you are financially well off.
Also if come time for redundancies you can almost be certain unless you are a superstar the ones not in the office will be the ones to go.
My employer has a social and unwritten expectation of being in the office. Unfortunately I'm in the senior management team. I am more productive personally from home even with a short commute. I have heard my ceo mock our Vic GM for being under a perptual holiday for being in Lockdown, not the behaviour or time I set for myself and my team.
I would like my team to catch up once a week for a team meeting and once a month person for a team lunch. I have learnt from being a parent of autistic children that over 60% of communication is non verbal, so I think it's important to foster relationships particularly with new team members.
I enjoy my role and live regionally full time in the office would be a struggle and could nab a role within 2 months as there are 20 new ads per week and offering WFH. I passively always look as career continuity plan.
Been working fulltime at work anyway.
But as a boss I would be wanting most of my employees at work.
Sure some remain productive at home but most people are bludgers when they can be.
I guess this is more reflective of your failures as a leader and shows your mismanagement of your staffing capabilities.
I haven't employed anyone in a long time. I had about 25 employees. No issues.
I am saying as a boss you can lose the ability to be as proactive online as you can be face to face.
By that I mean you lose some of your ability to be a competent boss when dealing with people remotely.
But sure be critical, and almost a little too personal, I only owned a business with 7 figure net profit, what have you owned?
If you lose your ability to be a competent boss then you need to continue your personal growth and development rather than oppose flexibility because you are unable or unwilling to grow.
But again, if it is your business then you have absolute prerogative to run it as you wish (within confines of the law)
@Vote for Pedro: There are definitely employees who will choose to bludge away at home.
Denying this is just plain ignorant.
I don't own a business. I hope you are not being personal and it was a generalisation when using terms you and your. Even my original post did not claim I owned a business.
I will however state that as a business owner I have employed and dismissed my fair share of useless staff, and trained many very successful people along the way.
It doesn't matter one iota how competent you are as an owner / manager if you can't monitor your staff well, and remote work limits the ability to monitor some of your staff.
Now if there is a debate that the benefit of the majority working at homes Vs the loss of productivity of the few bludgers, I am unsure of the answer l, but a default letting all staff work from home is stupid, if I was an owner they would have to earn my trust and respect to work at home
I don't own a business.
Then
as a business owner
Growth and development never stops. If people can’t evolve to meet the challenge of a newer way of doing things, then the problem rests with those people.
It doesn't matter one iota how competent you are as an owner / manager if you can't monitor your staff well, and remote work limits the ability to monitor some of your staff.
Outcome based management. Why micromanage and ‘monitor’? Set deliverables and manage based on whether they are met or not. Better yet, lead, don’t manage.
You might find people who aren’t micromanaged and are trusted and empowered will deliver more.
@Vote for Pedro: I owned a business, sold it and am not now.
Is that hard to figure out? I think I was quite clear. You only read into it what you wanted to.
Stop being enraged due to past discussions. Time to move on.
@Vote for Pedro: "Outcome based management. Why micromanage and ‘monitor’? Set deliverables and manage based on whether they are met or not. Better yet, lead, don’t manage.
You might find people who aren’t micromanaged and are trusted and empowered will deliver more."
Perhaps if you read my post you will see I don't disagree with this.
Stop being so confrontational in relation to past posts, read what I write before you go off on a rant.
Sure some remain productive at home but most people are bludgers when they can be.
I did. And I’m saying this is a reflection of the capabilities of the ‘boss’.
And more importantly - it’s a false premise. Most people are not bludgers when they can be. So your whole position is based on a falsehood created in your own mind.
@Vote for Pedro: "And more importantly - it’s a false premise. Most people are not bludgers when they can be. So your whole position is based on a falsehood created in your own mind."
Most people aren't bludgers when they can be. Are you serious?
I bet 2000 dollarydoos that if I called 100 employees and asked them if they would do half the work for the same pay if their boss never noticed, more than half would say yep!
If you don't agree with this you are naive to the real world.
I cannot see how you can expect anyone to take your post seriously if you dont believe this.
I bet 2000 dollarydoos that if I called 100 employees and asked them if they would do half the work for the same pay if their boss never noticed, more than half would say yep!
What a crap boss, and should be fired for being crap at being a boss. Wouldn’t you agree?
@Vote for Pedro: We'll the boss is probably at home and so is the typical employee
Quick, back to the office!
Now I am not saying people won't work hard but they need someone there making sure they do
@mdavant: Wonder if this boss also complains about his employees "bludging" too much time away on OzBargain?
@mdavant: I guess it comes down to peoples attitudes. It goes to show based on your comments what your work ethic is.
I have fortnightly one on ones with my boss where we go over deliverables for the next period and track progress of those. It is on the both of us to discuss performance, outcomes and/or challenges to delivery.
It is true I’ve had one or two ‘slow’ weeks in the 2 years of wfh but these would’ve happened anyway in the office.
So far all work has been delivered in a way that meets expectations and more often than not, ahead of schedule.
I guess it comes down to the style of organisation you are in an their culture and ethic.
@Vote for Pedro: "I guess it comes down to peoples attitudes. It goes to show based on your comments what your work ethic is"
Once again getting personal without one iota of evidence.
You don't get far in my profession without being very motivated.
"It is true I’ve had one or two ‘slow’ weeks in the 2 years of wfh but these would’ve happened anyway in the office."
Well done.
But I have not made this personal, nor have I questioned your work ethic, or ability to do your job. Only you have stooped to those levels.
"I guess it comes down to the style of organisation you are in an their culture and ethic"
To a point but if you don't believe a majority would slack off for the same amount of pay if they could, you have not been around enough people.
I really like WFH now and would find it hard to go back. I am antisocial and don't need to be around people, and the flexibility suits me and makes me more efficient at my job , eg can start work when I wake up (sometimes 6am) or at night, and take exercise and other breaks during the day if needed. My boss is interstate anyway so doesn't care if my team and I are in the office or not, as long as we deliver the work. Overall I think I work more hours WFH than in the office
Unfortunately the company is old school, and there are still some execs who are of the mindset that if you are not sitting in the office you must be bludging, so there are still occasional mumbles about returning to the office. I will be resisting if it comes to the crunch, however am hopeful that "living with Covid" will mean that will never come.not just you, most companies are doing the "back to office", i work for a very progressive company, throughout the pandemic they were very pro WFH and infact were transitioning into a remote setup permanently, but now they are talking about "Return to office" again and are making plans to force people back, something about eroding company culture.
imo the record lockdown has caused so much fatigue that even many who used to be pro-WFH just want to go back to the office now
i'm with you personally, i hope to never go back, i am so much happier at home and i dont have to deal with the toxic office environment, i can pick and choose whom to communicate with, but its going to be difficult, atleast i will try to negotiate the minimum amount of days in the office
My employer has released real-estate leases and we're moving to hot desking 1-2 day a week maximum. 3-4 days a week at home. Hot desks are being setup properly will full redesign of our floor layouts to include communal and private spaces etc. I work for a sem-govt employer and while I don't mind my job, if it was going back 5 days a week I would strongly consider whether moving on was an option. Don't want to go back to the office full time, 1-2 days a week maximum for me. In technology we can be just as efficient working from home, the office day or two is more for interaction, social, bonding etc.
Because hot desks are desirable in a covid environment?
I honestly don't get people saying "I'm more productive in the office and I get distracted WFH", if there's ever a productivity issue, the issue comea from you, not the fact you can comfortably working from home
For me, not letting staff WFH would be a massive red flag for the company and wouldn't want to work there anyway. Luckily working in IT we can be a bit picky (for now at least).
A bit harsh to say a massive red flag, but WFH should remain as an option for all employees since COVID is not going away
That's rather naïve statement.
There are plenty of roles where confidential data are not permissible outside of business environment.
I prefer working at the office. Separates my work from my home. I think it is better for my mental health as well, see other people and enjoying the office banter.
It is surely nice to pack up at the end of the day and actually leave work
I’ve overcome this:
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/11146795/redir
Not easy but once it’s routine it’s like a commute just with health benefits
yep WFH was fun for a few weeks, but then you start getting lazy and eat a hell of a lot of snacks.
Yeah. Discipline was hard and the lockdowns didn’t help
I'm fortunate that even pre pandemic I was already doing two days a week from home. We're under no pressure at all to come back full time and I suspect we'll end up going in maybe one a fortnight or once a week at most.
Suits me fine as no commuting, I get more done at home (less interruption/noise) and my job does not require a lot of face to face interaction. I've also got very fond of pre work runs around the local park during time I would normally be sat on a train.
Reading everyone's comments it is nice to see how different everyone's situation is. For me, it really highlights how archaic our current work system is and how ultimately the freedom to WFH increases productivity and employee satisfaction - it is a no brainer.
Personally, my role will almost always involve site visits or on-site manufacturing so occasional WFH is as good as it gets.
There are large sources of potential employees that are available due to the flexibility that has been unleashed due to COVID.
E.g. people who live in country towns and remote communities could work for companies that traditionally expect staff to work in their CBD offices.
Mothers and others with caring responsibilities may find it easier to juggle a career - it may be feasible for them to take a break around 3pm to pick up kids from school and carry on working later on, rather than be excluded from the workforce due to the high price of childcare.
People with disabilities may struggle with a city commute each day, but a customised home office gives them a level playing field on which to compete in the workforce.
Employers who are flexible will be able to recruit from a much larger talent poolWorking from the office is my second concern but first is travelling in public transport.
If you're indispensable, you make the rules.
If you're replaceable, they make the rules.
And then there’s the whole middle ground in between. This being, people who are dispensable but:
- Can move to another organisation that has policies that align with their needs, or
- Have strong workplace representation (unions) to level the playing field and power imbalance.
Nuance. It’s a tricky concept. It’s never black or white.
All these ozbargain hero's actually thinking they would turn down a good job offer in the real world because they couldnt work from home. Its a job, it will pay you well, youll take it.
Eh, not really. If you have two job offers, and the difference between them is flexibility.. I'd go for the flexible one.
Recently got a new job, was in this exact position.
Again it all depends on the nature of the job. I work with colleagues in the UK and other countries daily - don’t really make sense to work at the office due to the time differences. Don’t mind going in for workshops with local team members but flexibility is key since there is no way I’ll take calls in the office at 10PM.
Tough one, I've been working one day a week from home the entire pandemic apart from the QLD lockdowns. That looks to be the status quo for now. I'd love more wfh but I really like this job and have plans to stick with it for the next 3 years minimum.
That being said I'm always looking for a full time remote working gig, the allure of working somewhere that doesn't cost $450 a week in rent for a 2 bed unit is too great.
It's going to be difficult for me to return back to work in the office.
One of the things that's become apparent is that travelling to and from work takes about 3hrs per day, and now while working from home I have 15 hrs extra to do things.
Along with that the stress of driving and making into work at certain hour, or returning home to reheat meals hasn't been missed at all.
Since the job market is hot, if I was to be asked to return back full time would mean that I would look for an alternative job.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/australi…
oh no, hope the WFH till Dec 1 WFH doesn't get pushed forward
Bring back Gladys
Have to return in a few weeks. Would be happy with the flexibility on start-end times or even put in an extra hour or two a day and have a Friday off or half day. Alas, teaching online is boring and isolating. Somewhat looking forward to going back, just not the travel and traffic.
I think the answer will be found in a compromise as we all have different preferences. My workplace, when it returns, will come back as a hybrid model where we can work FT in the office if we want or have a mix of WFH and office with a number of required office days. For me, the thing I hate about office life is the 5 day working week, by the time Friday comes around you are stuffed. So a 3 day office week is a wonderful compromise.
I'd say any businesses not getting with this flexible working arrangement will struggle to find and retain top talent.
Who do you work for?
My workplace will push everyone back into the office once its legal.
People have been threatening to resign over such things for years, it never happens. They just shut up and comply.
The question works both ways for employees and employers. If the job is high in demand and there are applicants willing to do it in the office full time, then they won't bother with the ones who require 'flexibility'
In the current landscape, there are plenty of people looking for work so I don't think it will be an issue for employers to find what they want. If the tide turns, then employers may need to offer more flexibility.
A good 2 year wfh probably make plenty of evidences if it works or not for a given company. If your job performance can be measured by outputs, it does not matter when and where you work. Otherwise, employers would expect you come back to the office at some points as it's a lot easier for quality and performance management.
Eventually collective productivity will dictate how this will pan out. If you perform well and trusted by management, you can negotiate for 1-2 days wfh just fine. In my personal experience, not many people are disciplined. The ones who are eventually go into management…
Wife would likely leave her job even though she loves it in favour of very flexible arrangements.
We have 3 children ages 4, 6 and 7 and, like most people doing 9-5, the wife was leaving home around 7:30-8am and not getting home till 6-6:30. Basically she was missing out on the kids a lot during the arguably more important years including anything to do with school like assemblies and special during the week school events.
One thing Covid has shown is that her team can work perfectly fine from home and never have to go into the office. Her teams workload didnt suffer at all and she would argue it actually improved. Not to mention it was costing over $100 a fortnight in travel costs. How much value would you, or should you, put on being around for your childrens younger years?
Obviously this doesnt apply to a lot of jobs but any where you sit in front of a pc all day does not really need to be in the office at all, ever..
mandatory mask in office will be ditched, looks like its legal for companies to force you back to office now since government is encouraging them to do so
People need to remember that it is a two way street.
Flexibility doesn't mean always work from home. If this were the case there are a whole lot of people overseas who could be hired 'at a more affordable rate' to replace the person that only wants to work from home.
Having requirements to be onsite gives me some comfort knowing my job can't easily be offloaded to someone overseas, at least until remotely controlled robots become more prevalent.
Yes exactly, that's why I dont want a 100% working from home culture for office workers, as we will likely all be outsourced to india inside 5 years.
@keejoonc: No. We have ongoing interaction via teams - chat, audio and video.
We use kanban boards and other tools. Pretty seamless.
The random disruptive ‘i know you’re busy, but…’ conversations have disappeared.
I’ve found 90% of these are time wasters. Five minutes of research would’ve given the person the answer.