Hello
Should I buy from a person off gumtree.
What things do I need to ask before buying
Please throw some light
Thanks
PS— Please don't be rude as I am asking for genuine responses as to what questions I need to ask and also do I have to verify anything before buying and if I am buying a pup ofcoz it going be a part of the family.
We should be able to take care of the pup > as a growing family I feel its right time to introduce my kids to responsibility and affection towards all, not that they are irresponsible or un-loving.
I am asking for genuine responses as to what questions I need to ask and also do I have to verify anything before buying > the seller is ready for a viewing
That's not the question !
Short answer: No
REAL Short answer is definitely YES. NO PROBLEM !
Many people sell puppies privately
and there are many happy owners that bought puppies privately.
Usually its the only way to get dogs you cant find in pet stores
Just make sure they get the right vaccinations etc
Consider also a rescue dog.
Please do some research in to backyard breeding. People shouldn't be getting their dog to mate with the neighbour's for a quick buck
You really think pet stores get their stock from pedigree breeders? LOL
Those puppy farms you see on the news with puppies bred en masse and cages in tiny areas living in their own shit is done to fill orders for large pet companies.
@SlavOz: Can you even buy them in pet shops anymore? I can't remember the last time I saw pet stores selling pups. It went out of fashion in WA a long time ago as it was unethical. Pretty sure puppy farming got banned here a few years ago but well before then it was frowned upon in a big way.
@whitelie: This. I can't remember the last time I saw a store selling more than birds or fish.
If they do have puppies or kittens, it's part of an arrangement with the RSPCA.
If this is the level of knowledge and queries you're at, then absolutely not.
You honestly deserve to lose your money.
Where do we buy pups from ??
RSPCA or a registered breeder. Don't support backyard breeders.
RSPCA is only for rescued dogs but worthy of consideration
Backyard breeders aren't the problem. The problem is puppy farms.
I bought my last dog from a backyard breeder. Yeah he was a large breed prone to mobility issues and he had some problems that I had to help manage most of his life, but can't fault his overall health and personality. He was the most special and smartest dog in the world. Somebody tried to steal him once and he escaped and made his way home.
This could be a scam, and a well orchestrated one. You need to be able to see the puppy first, and the usual Gumtree caveats apply (i.e. cash only).
If you see the mother and the litter then the only scam is taking the puppies from their mother
A puppy is for life not for lockdown
Not sure why you are getting - voted.
If anything, this post deserves to get a neg.
Surely by now our society know of the dangers that Gumtree consists of?
What garbage !
You take the usually precautions with any purchase
Yep.
What things do I need to ask before buying
OP, tell yourself, owning a dog is not just a financial transaction.
Do more research and what it takes to own a dog, rather than buying a dog.
Think, think, and think again.
Then let us know.
Lets just disregard all the useless comments above
A lot of breeders sell on gumtree, also check dogzonline.com.au
Other than that, you need to ask whatever you feel is necessary. Especially abou the puppy's diet, as you need to match it and slowly transition if you want to feed them something else. Ask the breeder what you should get, but generally a bed, crate, collar, leash, pee pads, feeding bowls, food (lots), toys, the list goes on
Any reputable breeder will let you ask as many questions as you want
Thanks a lot for the information. I di dask them about the diet, grooming and bedding stuff. But did not ask about their registration :( which I will now. The guy has agreed for us to meet the pup at his house this weekend. My kids are so excited :) so am I :)
Breeder registration is important be aware there is difference in breeders and the standards they set.
Australian National Kennel Council (ANKC) is the purebred breeder and interested in keeping breed standards.
Australian Association of Pet Dog Breeders - Stood up and became popular to get around new regulations, about requiring breeders to be registered - saying that if your getting a crossbreed this is whom your breeder will most likely be registered under.
If the breeder is letting you see the dog at his house that's good ideally, you want to see the puppy's litter mates and parents and see how they have been raised (hopefully not in cages)
Backyard breeders cop a lot of heat as some are really dodgey.
Prices are crazy at the moment, so not going to comment
Firstly, you should only buy puppies from a registered breeder, it's illegal to just breed dogs and sell them online but plenty of people do. If you've found it on gumtree you should have already looked up their webpage, their details and such.
Secondly, there's a million scams selling puppies. You're probably not going to get what you think you're getting.
Thirdly, go talk to a vet or a dog trainer about adopting a pet. They'll talk you through what you need, where to get it from, etc. There's also pet forums out there too, a much better source than Ozbargain.
Finally, the right thing to do is to adopt a puppy from a shelter, there's plenty out there already. Although it doesn't sound like you're really ready for how to train a dog.
We also had the same though of adopting one but the breed which we are after there not many or none available as of now.
Thanks though
Dogs live for 10-20 years. You shouldn't compromise just to save a few months of your time. Wait until the right dog is available to adopt.
Sure, but certain breeds don't come up for adoption at the RSPCA. Sometimes you need to go through a breeder if you want a particular one.
@Lastchancetosee: You can either wait until a proper responsible breeder has puppies or wait until you've visited the RSPCA and the right dog is there (right size, exercise requirements and personality), but not just get the first puppies you see on gumtree
As a recent pet owner, my advice would be to get a puppy from a registered breeder or those that are rescued and require a new home. I remember calling different breeders to enquire about puppies and most told me to look elsewhere as they didn't have any. Few of them went out of the way and advised me against buying puppies from Gumtree. The most common scam is that the seller requires you to pay a $1,000 deposit to "secure" your puppy. Once paid, they disappear. I heard a few stories about how people lost money by paying these deposits. They paid and when they tried to follow up, the phone numbers were no longer active and the profiles had disappeared from Gumtree (I suspect they just create a new account using a new information)
Should I buy from a person off gumtree.
No
What things do I need to ask before buying
Is cash ok?
I've done this. Back in 2008.
It worked out ok for me as the little guy is still alive (barely) but has been relatively healthy throughout his life.
Otherwise, don't do it.
Either go look for a rescue or go look on Dogzonline.
2 months later: Hello ozbargain, I got a staffy that bites people. How do I get it to make it listen to me more?
So many people selling/buying pitties/staffies without understanding them
I've spoken to many random staffy owners in the street (owned 2 staffies myself 20 years ago) and have had several mention be careful they have lock jaw. I just smile and walk away shaking my head.
That is why RSPCA dogs consist of mostly those breeds. Very sad to see animals returned because of the incompetence of their ex owner.
the dog which we saw online is a bordoodle.
Don't buy it. That's not a real breed and there's no way the person is a registered breeder.
Buy from a registered breeder (registered with a kernel club) or adopt from a shelter. Don't buy from backyard breeders. Not only is it illegal but the dogs have unknown genetics and could have all sorts of problems which you will pay for in tens of ks of $ over its life.
Don't know why you have not yet been upvoted for this - I will!
I suggest that the OP talk to his/her vet and get advice on any of these about these strange new cross-breeds that are appearing.
I particular, I bet that the vet will tell you that second generation crosses generally bring out the defects in both breeds and cause misery to both the owner and the dogs.
Our vet is quite scathing about this subject after having to put down poor dogs that should never have been bred!
Full disclosure: I have had pedigree and cross-bred dogs for 30+ years and have a lot of Best of Breed ribbons (and a couple of Best in Show) with pure bred dogs plus obedience certificates with both types of dogs, so am not biased against cross-breeds.
Please, talk with the vet that you will hopefully be seeing for over at least a decade and get their advice, rather than relying on us.
Pure breds (for reasons that escape me) are generally cheaper now than some of these weird and wonderful crosses and come with history of any defects in their ancestors.
A dog from the RSPCA/Animal Welfare League/etc. will come vet checked and immunised.
Oh, and please don't take your kids along to see the prospective puppy as the breeder is counting on them falling in love so that you can't leave without it.
@ChrisLevo: To clarify to OP - either a complete cross-breed (ie all its ancestors are different breeds and there's a big scramble of genetics), or a pure breed from a good and diligent breeder is what you want.
If you remember anything from high school genetics, you'll remember that there are recessive and dominant genes. Problems are usually caused by recessive genes. Each breed has certain problems they are more likely to have, eg hip displasia. If two dogs are bred that both have the recessive gene for a problem then the pups will be predisposed to it. In the case of complete cross breeds, they have so much variety of genetic material that the chance of getting one of these problems is quite low. Responsible breeders will be careful to use parents with genetics that won't end up with pups with the problems their breed is known for.
The problem lies in irresponsible breeders. They may likely be using rejects that proper breeders won't want to breed from, or animals from unknown backgrounds and not do any genetic screening to make sure the pups won't have problems. In the case of this fake breed bordoodle. The parents are probably pure breed so there are a bunch of problems each may be predisposed to. And they are rejects or unknowns so they could be carrying the recessive gene. The two breeds could easily have an overlap of some types of problems and as they're not screened, pass it onto the pups. And you won't find out until your dog is 5+ years old when it might start showing symptoms and cost you big $ in vet bills. If it was a backyard breeder with two complete cross-breeds having puppies that would actually be safer than your circumstance which is two pure breeds having puppies (not that you would buy a dog this way, you don't want to support backyard breeders, if you were happy with a cross breed you would adopt from a shelter of course).
I know absolutely nothing about dogs, but when you say that a bordoodle is not a real breed, are you saying that it's bad to cross breed them? My neighbour had a labradoodle and it seemed to be very healthy and playful. I googled "bordoodles" and there was plenty of information established about them.. just wanted to understand what you meant by your comment.
@silo: Isn't a recognised breed. Labradoodles are popular pets as they combine the intelligence and hypo-allergenic coat of the poodle with the laid back friendly nature of the Labrador. But it isn't a breed with a set standard that you can compete with in a dog show against others of the same breed to see which are closest to the standard. List of breeds here: https://ankc.org.au/Breed/Index
Another thought for you - assuming a bordoodle is a cross between a Border Collie and a Poodle. That sounds like a recipe for disaster. Both Border Collies and Poodles are highly intelligent (Poodles even more so than Border Collies) so they are going to need a LOT of input and attention from you to keep them sane. If you don't work from home and can't commit to playing with them several times a day every day they would probably start destroying your backyard, eating your bicycle seats, pulling washing off the line, digging under fences to escape etc. In addition, Border Collies have very high exercise needs. So as well as playing with it a few times a day it'll also need multiple walks a day, preferably including somewhere it is allowed to run freely (eg dog park). Cavoodles and Labradoodles work because Cavalier King Charles spaniels and Labradors are both very laid back dogs, tempering the highly intelligent and active nature of Poodles.
Beware of scammers! I would only buy a dog from a reputable breeder - you need to get the registrations documents etc. Check dogzonline!
Buying from Gumtree could potentially be a backyard breeder!
yes I will Thanks!
The BBC had a segment on buying a dog, it should be the same here. I think this is the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U63WIEkWKWI
Here is the article:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/1TSdvcqmx9kKRTs0kk…
I know you don't seem to want to hear it, but there's reasons dogs from breeders are more expensive.
Google is full of articles on news feeds…
Even Gumtree has its own article: Looking for a pet online? Read this first
https://blog.gumtree.com.au/looking-for-a-pet-online-read-th…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-31/how-i-fell-victim-to-…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8621775/AFL-star-lo…
"If you are buying a pet from an unknown source always go to the home address of the seller and never agree to take a pup without seeing the mother and home situation first. Any reputable breeder will be more than happy for this to occur.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/home/pets/cruel-puppy-farm…
Geez guys, gumtree is not that bad. Have used the site for years, never had any issues whatsoever
Gumtree is just a market place/advertising platform (see also dogzonline or your local newspaper) to bring sellers and buyers together. Do your due diligence. Don't go sending money anywhere. Take a friend with you to meet the seller and inspect the dog.
We bought our French Bulldog from a registered breeder who had listed the pups on Gumtree. Incredibly professional. Seven months later we're still in touch and get updates on the the pup's parents and the siblings (helpful to know if anything pops-up that we should know about).
One particularly good comment above may have got lost in the deluge of answers, so I would just like to re-state it. If there is only one puppy on offer, DON'T take your kids when you go to inspect it. Whether they mean to or not, they are working for the seller… their one idea is to get you to buy that puppy, and you don't have a hope of making a cool, calm decision. If, however, you are going along to the RSPCA shelter (which is still the best idea you've been offered all day), DO take the kids, because that is a major learning experience for them. I also support the advice about being beware of these brand-new designer breeds which can produce dogs that can't even behave like dogs. I feel there is really something indecent about people who breed dogs as if they were trying out some recipe that they've just made up in their head.
If you have to ask, you're obviously not educated enough, so don't do it. Google, research, and when you know what you're doing, you'll know what you're doing lol 🤣.
Also don't buy a Stafie, they are the worst breed 🤮
Yeah I would avoid Gumtree for pups… there's just too many scams and no good breeder, whether they be licensed or not, would sell via Gumtree. I bought a Groodle last year and found the breeder through a friend who had a Groodle that i loved. If you call one of the fancy breeders they will put you on a waiting list. Our breeder was a "backyard breeder" though they had all the necessary health checks you expect from a breeder and we could tell they were genuine people who cared first and foremost about the health and well being of their dogs. Our boy looks like a show dog.
If you do go with Gumtree - don't hand over any cash, deposit or otherwise, until you have seen the pup in person at the persons house.
I am seriously curious - how can a Groodle look like a show dog when no standard exists for it? What are you comparing it to? I'm struggling to even work out what sort of a cross a Groodle might be - obviously Poodle + something…..
A groodle is a cross between a poodle and a golden retriever. theyre a pretty popular breed these day (well in my area anyway…). When i say "looks like a show dog" I just mean he's such a well proportioned speciment who moves like a show pony. I compare the posture and movement of my dog to the dogs (not necessarily groodles) i have seen at shows, not the breed specific attributes. I didn't mean to upset any competitive show dog purist so if you are one I apologies, my comment was just a passing remark on the majesty of my backyard bred mongrel.
Look, support your local RSPCA. The animals are "NOT FOR PROFIT" and are well cared for and up to date with shots.
I see a lot of bordoodles around my area and they are all nice dogs, they are easygoing and playful with my dog (a lab), they always get along. Seems like a good family dog.
I just realised my kids' school dog is also one of these. Very good with kids.
Only purchase from a registered breeder. If you are inexperienced in dog ownership then a poodle/border collie cross sounds like a high energy dog. You need to research the dog’s needs and be sure you can care for the dog in terms of time, training, exercise etc. if the dog’s needs aren’t met there could be behavioural problems/ destructive tendencies.
Don’t pay anything or if much possible, it’s highly likely a mongrel. Get it chipped and desexed, get it trained. But the main thing is: are you prepared to play with it and take it for a walk every day? They will be highly energetic. If not don’t get one. It’s gonna live for 14-16 years
While I am also looking for a dog for myself so, I have done deep research on it. On gumtree, you'll mostly find backyard breeders or puppy factories. These people cruelly breed dogs for the sake of puppies and money only. No health tests were performed, no other important testing and ethics were considered. If you really need a dog, the first priority should be rehoming a dog from someone who is considering abandoning their dog. The second priority should be rescuing from a shelter and the third one should be getting one from a responsible and well-reputed breeder.
If you need to ask then the answer is NO.
Ask on of your friends who has a dog if you can visit them for an afternoon and see if you can handle looking after their dog for an afternoon as a puppy will grow into a dog and you will need to look after the dog.