Could you survive on the breadline? SBS

Interesting show.

Conservative vs. left wingers caring for the poor/underprivileged

Didn’t quite portray the way the show wanted too..

Greens just pass the buck for someone else to fix instead of getting their hands dirty.

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  • +17

    If you were relying on welfare to survive, what would you use it for? Rent? Food, Medicine? Bills?

    The challenge is that people in need usually have compounded problems. More fortunate people who want to experience what it's like in these people's shoes, might have good health and don't need to pay for medicine, and they might not have mental health problems, so they probably won't fully appreciate the challenges..

  • +8

    Yes, I can live off welfare with high quality clothes, shoes, great education, a provided furnished house and a network. What stress?

    Ultimately need emergency money? My filthy wealthy family is there.

    My idea of a show: Send a privileged few to a new location interstate with nothing. They get a budget of clothes that they can take with them before they leave but no cash. No place given to begin with either.

    • ^ Great idea.. although it would never get off the ground… would cost Gov co too much

  • Next show should be "Could you survive on ozbargain"

  • +7

    I was on welfare for a year, before that I was on the education study one (which is paid less I think) as you can imagine money is spent largely on rent, then food then public transport. At the time it was enough to survive, but not well. If anything major happened (say I accidentally broke a $100 window or missed the last bus home and had to take a taxi), it'll probably take me over 10 weeks to pay off. Things like this can make it easy for people to turn to pay day loans.

    A short stint is one thing but when your mindset is this is the rest of your life, things can feel difficult. IMO I at least appreciate that it may make people change their thoughts of people in welfare. At the very least maybe some in politics can workout that they they're not just spending it on coffees and avocado and toast.

  • +8

    Conservative vs. left wingers caring for the poor/underprivileged

    Stop this nonsense, there are not "two sides" to politics.
    You are being lied to, unlike QAnon, this real, actual propaganda.

    Borrow Manufacturing Consent by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky from your local library and educate yourselves.

    Case in point:

    Is the project left wing?

    Gina Rinehart reportedly alleged that The Project has a left-wing bias:
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/ten-grooming-bolt-for-...

    Here it is shitting on unions with some dude with a shit hair cut and probably still thinks lynx Africa attracts women named Gideon Rozner from Institute of Public Affairs

    From Wikipedia:

    The Institute of Public Affairs (IPA) is a conservative non-profit free market public policy think tank[2][3][4] based in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. It advocates free market economic policies such as free markets, privatisation,[5] deregulation of state-owned enterprises, trade liberalisation, deregulation of workplaces as well as climate change denial,[6] abolition of the minimum wage,[7] anti-socialism, [8] and repeal of section 18C in the Racial Discrimination Act 1975.[9]

    And then OP:

    Greens just pass the buck for someone else to fix instead of getting their hands dirty.

    Besides the Greens, never, ever, ever, ever being in power in Federal Government.

    https://theyvoteforyou.org.au/policies/163 Libs and Nats voted for drug testing welfare recipients
    https://theyvoteforyou.org.au/policies/34 Libs and Nats voted for decreasing availability of welfare payments.

    • +1 for pointing out the project isn’t left wing

      • +2

        Wondering what the base line of left wing is to compare the project with? Stalin? Mao Zedong?

    • +2

      Unions aren’t “left wing”

      They just have the ALP in their pocket.

  • -2

    Excuse me, but I worked my ass of from the age of 12 - collecting empty beer bottles, newspapers, etc etc because my parents were broke.
    In the following 20 years I worked 2 or 3 jobs to improve my life - my long term future life, not my day to day social life!
    Today, yes I do live a very comfortable life, and I have no time for whingers who say they cannot survive on social welfare etc etc.
    I am sick and tired of these whingers sponging off the rest of the hardworking pollution.
    TIN HATS ON WAITING FOR THE FLACK

    • +16

      In the following 20 years I worked 2 or 3 jobs to improve my life - my long term future life, not my day to day social life!

      It's amazing that you think that's acceptable and defend it rather than going: that was (profanity) I wish no one else goes through it.

      • +2

        Fair call.

      • +1

        It's the same response you get from people who went to uni when you talk about uni fees decreasing or disspearing. The "I went through this shit so you have to as well" rather than "that was a shit experience for me, it should be incrementally better for the next generation"

    • Same here. People who complain about the amount of money that is paid in welfare here should take a look other countries where there is absolutely no welfare. And before people jump on me, when I was growing up, we were on welfare. We survived on buying no name brand food, and I don't remember once my mum ever buying take away coffee. I saw this program last night and saw one of the welfare participants buying a take away coffee which is gonna cost at least $4. Geez, I am on a good salary now, and rarely buy a take away coffee because of the cost.

      • I didnt think there was take away coffee when I was growing up.

        We lived on welfare most of my younger life(mum and dad divorced when I was 2) my mum budgeted every single penny. I once went to the wrong shop for a meal and got less than half of what I should have, she split it up between us and said 'that's all you get tonight'

        It still upsets me today.

  • I do think Australia needs to introduce the Rich Tax and the Luxury Tax to help the less fortunate.

    A further 20% loading tax on incomes greater than $130000 for the individual.

    Luxury items like Mercedes cars and mansions over $2 million should have an added 33% tax

    People shouldn't be selfish and un Australian

    • +2

      Great idea, which political party will do this? Or keep voting for Greens?

      • -2

        which political party will do this?

        None

        Or keep voting for Greens?

        Waste of a vote.

        • +2

          There is no such thing as a wasted vote in Australia, thanks to preferential voting.

        • +1

          Political parties get some money for each number 1 vote and if they don't get a seat with that vote, the vote goes to the second choice.

          How is it a waste of vote?

    • +12

      It’s already 37c/$1 for income above $120k/annum and 45c/$1 over $180k/annum. The people with $$$ aren’t on big salaries. The very wealthy declare minimal income and pay minimal tax. Many are lining their pockets with subsidies from these same taxes, for their businesses. Taxing people with high salaries is pretty much only going to touch public doctors, salaried engineers and similar.

      • -1

        Taxing people with high salaries is pretty much only going to touch public doctors, salaried engineers and similar.

        They can't pay more?

        • +5

          Sure but they’re already paying a fair whack of their salaries. The people earning a lot aren’t actually declaring it, so taxing those who declare their salaries is kind of taxing the honest more than the dishonest. If you tax public doctors too much there isn’t the incentive for them to do it. I kind of like the idea that there is someone qualified to resus/operate on me at 3am or whenever if needed. I also like that our bridges don’t routinely fall down in Australia etc, you get the idea.

        • +4

          Doctors, lawyers etc on high six figure salaries arent the ones you should be going after.

          This is hilarious. We have people like Musk and Bezos who have more money than entire countries, a growing social divide, more billionaires every day, and you want to tax a public doctor.

          "Tax the rich" is not "tax the reasonably well off". It's Musk/Elon who built spaceships to stroke their ego's and other billionaires who pay as much tax as those doctors you are so eager to ask to pay more who should be getting taxed more.

          • @dchurch1:

            Doctors, lawyers etc on high six figure salaries arent the ones you should be going after

            what about CEO's who get 10+ million handshakes after failing in their jobs…

      • +10

        Pretty much this. The "rich rich" are not people making $180k and paying PAYG tax. It's the people with enough money to be able to make it so they can avoid tax, and the corporations who somehow manage to always avoid paying tax, even through they make millions/billions.

    • A further 20% loading tax on incomes greater than $130000 for the individual.

      Uhhhh no thanks. Make that higher buddy.

      Luxury items like Mercedes cars and mansions over $2 million should have an added 33% tax

      You have a weird skew of what rich is. You can get a mercedes for 20k. and $2m is hardly "rich". You could just be living well. and 130k for an individual if you're paying $500 a week in rent plus everything else doesn't end up being what you probably think a rich person is.

    • -1

      Yeah no thanks.

  • There is something that fixes this.

    • +1

      Are you thinking "French Revolution" or "Soylent Green"?

      • You must be new here. rektrading doesn't miss a chance to point out that crypto is gonna solve all the worlds problems and then some!

        • Thanks.

          Here is the latest.

          Hodl to avoid $83,167 in taxes.

        • +1

          Yeah - have seen their post history. Was making the point that other methods are available. At least one of them has even been demonstrated in recent history.

  • +1

    This is a BS episode. The participants do not a care in the world. They know they are only "participating" for a designated period of time. They now they have a million dollars in the bank. They know the fridge is full. They know they have a roof over their head. They know they have a comfy bed waiting for them.

    So… it is all BS.

    Take their assets from them. Make them start from scratch interstate, with $10 in the pocket. And they do this for 10 years.

    • -4

      Successful people are wired differently.

      https://youtu.be/IM6I-ejDlzo

      They don't make excuses for not doing something. They find opportunities to solve problems.

      • I thought his hustle in undercover billionaire was crazy good. BUT I find it hard to believe that who he hooked up with, I forget his name, (Matt maybe) had at least an inkling there was something greater going on.

    • Well the Greens MP knew that but still couldn’t stomach it for 1 day

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