Teslas 2nd Last for Reliability

Trying2SaveABuck on 05/12/2021 - 15:31
Last edited 05/12/2021 - 20:38 by 1 other user

I'm going to start by saying this, I think what Elon and Tesla has done is speed up the electric car evolution and it is commendable and I personally believe the future of motoring is via EV

But I think Tesla as a brand is better at marketing then it is at marking cars

Source :

Tesla is second-to-last in reliability as Consumer Reports says Elon Musk-led company has its 'fair share of problems'

Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

Thought I'd post this here because the Tesla 'love' fest on OzBargain might need to be re-thought out if you want 'bang for you EV buck'

Note; I expect to get a lot of hate from the vast number of Tesla shareholder/drivers and fan boys.

The cult of Tesla clearly triggered by the fact the product is rubbish, my response to this don't shoot the messenger.

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Comments

  • Brotality on 05/12/2021 - 15:58
    +17

    Oh dear God here we go again, because one thread is not enough.

    If you like the thing, buy it, if you don't like it, don't buy it. /thread

    • SF3 on 05/12/2021 - 17:59
      +4

      Like with anything seeking validation, Post on OzB 1st is the way /s

  • chuq on 05/12/2021 - 16:17
    +17

    Note; i expect to get a lot of hate from the vast number of TESLA shareholder/drivers and Fan boys

    By making this statement you're clearly trying to start a shitfight or discourage people from disagreeing with you. If you get any hate its probably going to be for making such a flamebait statement.

    First, if it was that awful their sales wouldn't be effectively doubling year on year.

    Second, a Daily Mail reference doesn't help with credibility.

    The other article (based on a CNBC article from incessant Tesla hater Lora Kolodny) makes mention that "The reliability rankings stand in stark contrast with Consumer Reports’ satisfaction survey, where Tesla topped the 2020 list". It also mentions a lot of service calls have nothing to do with vehicle reliability (things like AC, heat pumps, body panels).

    Perhaps Tesla owners are more likely to log service calls for these minor things, because ICE car owners will just get the issue fixed at the next annual service. Tesla's don't need annual service.

    Any other reason why CR is likely to be different? Well, you know how Consumer Reports is funded …

    https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/about-us/our-partners/co…

    "Consumer Reports collects a fee from TrueCar for vehicles purchased by its members from a TrueCar dealer and for discount coupons redeemed. One hundred percent of the fees collected go to support the organization's nonprofit mission. Consumer Reports has no financial relationship with any dealer."

    Tesla doesn't use dealers, therefore no cash for CR.

    https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2021-annual-report/donor…

    $100,000+ includes "Alfred P. Sloan Foundation" and "Ford Foundation", GM and Ford affiliated respectively (arms length of course - they'd never claim they are, but they are).

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/marta-l-tellado-0a13782a/

    Their President and CEO used to work at the Ford Foundation.

      • shadow7412 on 06/12/2021 - 08:30
        +2

        What research? Is well known that the reliability reports are heavily influenced by advertiser dollars (which Tesla doesn't buy into), which introduces a massively heavy bias.

    • Hairy Nosed Wombat on 05/12/2021 - 20:44
      +2

      "It also mentions a lot of service calls have nothing to do with vehicle reliability (things like AC, heat pumps, body panels)."

      Maybe, but it points to a quality control issues that's only going to get worse now they are being sourced from china.

      ……..And why are you supporting Chinese manufacturing when China is trying to damage Australia? And Elon is in the pocket of the CCP.

      "Perhaps Tesla owners are more likely to log service calls for these minor things, because ICE car owners will just get the issue fixed at the next annual service. Tesla's don't need annual service."

      That may be partially correct but the reality is that long term testing in the UK shows that Tesla's are just as expensive to maintain as the typical car. Its not helped by vendor lock. And do you really want to support a company that denies you the right to repair your own vehicle? Servicing is not just about fixing things. Its also used for visual inspection of components to ensure that there are no issues. For example, your going down Bulli pass and you apply the brakes, the brake warning light comes on and your foot goes to the floor. If you had your car serviced in the last two years they would have picked up that leaking master cylinder. But its ok the Tesla has logged an issue as you screem to the bottom.

      • chuq on 06/12/2021 - 12:01

        that's only going to get worse now they are being sourced from china.

        But direct comparisons of Fremont vs Shanghai made Teslas has shown the quality is better.

        Note the factory isn't part CCP owned (as all other automotive factories in China are - this one is 100% Tesla)

  • rektrading on 05/12/2021 - 16:21
    +2

    There are +$26B shorts on TSLA.

    https://www.marketbeat.com/stocks/NASDAQ/TSLA/short-interest…

    Posting FUD online to make money is as old as the Internet.

    • Trying2SaveABuck on 05/12/2021 - 16:33
      +1

      lmao - yes bcuz ozbargin is where this needs to be posted if i was trying to manipulate a trillion dollar company

      • full disclosure i dont have Tesla shares (wish i did) nor do i have a short position in it or any other financial reasons for posting
      • rektrading on 05/12/2021 - 16:50
        +1

        Whales pay MSM to 💩 post to short. Normies pick up the story and link it all over social media.

        I see this every day on CT.

        • dust on 05/12/2021 - 16:53

          So which crypto should I buy instead?

        • Trying2SaveABuck on 05/12/2021 - 17:07
          -7

          Fair enough man your clearly a share holder.

          All i can say is i didnt conduct the reseach nor did i write the article so dont shoot!

          If anything written is factually incorrect im happy to argue with that otherwise good luck with your holdings.

          I got to redo my full disclosure I hold ARK etfswhich actually has TESLA shares so if anything I'm flaming my own vested interest

  • buckethat on 05/12/2021 - 16:25
    +1

    Based on the other thread that I made.. don't think there's an overwhelming Tesla 'love' fest on OzB.

    I'd say more than half the comments were against Tesla. Most positive comments appears to be from owners.

    • Trying2SaveABuck on 05/12/2021 - 16:36
      +2

      From a personal POV i would love one they are suppose to be pretty fast and fun to drive but from a practical stand point to drop +70k on a car that is effectively unreliable is just anti OzBargin.

  • Ryanek on 05/12/2021 - 16:36

    That's kinda ironic because Tesla doesn't actually market their cars. Its all based on word of mouth.

  • ajsr8 on 05/12/2021 - 16:43

    Another Tesla thread…

  • tonyjzx on 05/12/2021 - 16:44
    +3

    I dont think OP said anything wrong, nor can we deny Tesla has problems here.

    His 'intention' may be questionable but even thats ok to me. Face the problems, dont kill the messenger.

    I scarcely see anyone mention this anywhere but there's two kinds of 'unreliability' or 'quality'.

    1st kind if the type you see with Jeep, Range Rover, VE Commodores, VAG products. Do you know why so many 10yr old Audis are like $8,000? Or why VE V6 Commdores are $2,500? Its because they are basket cases. Ticking time bombs. Cars that will leave you stranded after finishing a nightshift at 10pm.

    2nd kind is what Teslas have. Poor paint, panel gaps, whistling rattling, air gaps, screens that reboot, glitches that need you to reboot.

    They dont leave you stranded but its still not acceptable.

    Here's the thing with Tesla though.

    They provide at least some hope given they are opening new factories and cars are getting better.

    On the 1st kind of quality, Are they truly getting better? Well its too late, Holden dont exist any more.

    Teslas also have a USP, 'unique selling point' that many people try to convince themselves is enough to overlook the quality issues.

    Conventional manufacturers… lol. do not.

    • chuq on 05/12/2021 - 17:00

      They provide at least some hope given they are opening new factories and cars are getting better.

      That's a good point that I didn't mention in my earlier comment. The vehicles CR looks at are American, and are made in their original Fremont factory that the company has been occupying for about a decade.

      Australian vehicles (since about a year ago) now come from the Shanghai factory, and like-for-like comparisons by Aussie owners show an improved build quality. So any reports from CR are pretty much useless to Australians on this forum.

      It's only going to get better as Tesla are about to start production in another two new factories (Texas and Germany) which will be yet another step up in manufacturing and efficiency.

    • 2esc on 06/12/2021 - 08:40

      Most Audi owners do no where near the klms of a commodore I just bought a 2004 tt and it's only done 140,000 klms where will you find a pre 2015 commodore that's only done those sort of klms. Compare klms of used audi and commodore on car sales. My tt so far feels very solid and well made but a couple little parts I need are 20 times the price for a similar Holden or Ford part.

  • Brick Tamland on 05/12/2021 - 17:21

    but i think Tesla as a brand is better at marketing then it is at marking cars

    This statement strikes me as a bit odd. Tesla has invested frightening amounts of money into production like their mega factories and essentially revolutionary car tech (EV, software and computer tech in cars) This and Elon's interesting presentations is pretty much the marketing of the Tesla brand, they dont do much traditional marketing (advertising)

    EV will make up a part of the future but future synthetic fuels will also play a huge part and may eventually take some of the wind out of Tesla's sails

    • tonyjzx on 05/12/2021 - 17:37

      tesla does no marketing

      or more correctly, they do unconventional marketing

      i constantly see ads for Merc and everyone else on traditonal media

      • Trying2SaveABuck on 05/12/2021 - 19:11
        +1

        Heyi never said Mercs were any good they are ranking pretty rubbish as well

  • pegaxs on 05/12/2021 - 17:21
    +1

    InB4: "tHiS iS fAkE NeWz!!1!11!!!"

    It wasn't long ago that Tesla finished about 2 up from Land Rover who was in last place… :D

    • Trying2SaveABuck on 05/12/2021 - 17:26
      -2

      Do u have a source?

      I would buy a TESLA if they ranked in the top 5

      Land Rovers are rubbish as ate Jeep

      • chuq on 06/12/2021 - 12:05
        +1

        I would buy a TESLA if they ranked in the top 5

        We all know you wouldn't. These rankings are rubbish but you believe them because you get to spread your FUD!

        • Trying2SaveABuck on 06/12/2021 - 14:51

          Biased shareholder are raginnnnnnnnnggggg

          This is Ozbargin not Hotcopper or reddit

  • MagicMushroom on 05/12/2021 - 18:01

    Note; i expect to get a lot of hate from the vast number of TESLA shareholder/drivers and Fan boys

    Is this a thing on ozbargain? I thought a lot of us know TESLA isn't known for reliability or good quality control.

  • serpserpserp on 05/12/2021 - 18:27

    If you are expecting hate, why post it?

    • Trying2SaveABuck on 05/12/2021 - 19:03
      -3

      Just look at the down votes and comments im getting Tesla supporters are like a cult

      • pegaxs on 06/12/2021 - 11:46
        +1

        Tesla supporters are like a cult

        Wait till they get butthurt enough to get you penalty boxxed…

    • plmko on 05/12/2021 - 19:03

      You obviously don't know this guy.

  • Hardlyworkin on 05/12/2021 - 19:03

    How terrible! I also heard that Tesla are trying to take my weekend away.

  • brendanm on 05/12/2021 - 19:28
    +4

    I don't own a Tesla, don't like Elon, but those surveys are absolute rubbish.

    • pegaxs on 06/12/2021 - 11:48
      +1

      "BuT jD pOwAh sAiD!!!1!1!!"

      Most of those owner survey sites are either paid shills for certain companies or contributed to by pissed off owners who want a soap box to stand on (re: Mr RAV4 and their roof racks post)

  • Euphemistic on 05/12/2021 - 19:57
    +3

    Those ‘reliability’ surveys are nothing more than a trawl though data about how many times a vehicle has been flagged as something wrong. There is no correlation with the type of fault or severity of impact of the fault. The don’t differentiate between major drivetrain failures and a slightly difficult to open glovebox. It has nothing to do with how many of them end up on a tow truck.

  • deme on 05/12/2021 - 20:15

    Lol

  • orangetrain on 05/12/2021 - 20:22
    +3

    Thanks for reminding me about Telsa, I'll buy one then

  • DashCam AKA Rolts on 05/12/2021 - 20:24
    +5

    Thanks OP, bought 4.

  • Waltervp on 06/12/2021 - 08:24
    +2

    I don't have one but my brother has had one for over a year and I am jealous! He is super satisfied, this car is the first car that has people enthusiastic about their car. Many of us have had new cars and the new happy feeling wears off in a few months. Not with Tesla, every time you drive it you feel excitement. It really is a revolutionary product . For my brother its been very reliable and cheap to run. And though its well outside my budget, if i was in the 50k+ market I would definitely stretch my budget to get one!

  • Thinkscape on 06/12/2021 - 08:40
    +3
    To anyone who fell for this, another OZB tesla fud troll post:

    If you want to read the good and bad about Tesla build quality and reliability, visit one of the Facebook groups for unfiltered data ("Tesla Model 3 & Y Australia" is a good start).

  • Misplaced on 06/12/2021 - 10:25
    +1

    Can't be as bad as Jeeps

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