Is This Picasso Painting Real?

[Deactivated] on 17/12/2021 - 21:04
Last edited 17/12/2021 - 21:04

Some dude selling a "Picasso Study" for $320 on Facebook Marketplace. I was pretty sure its fake, then convinced a bit by the gallery stamps and then back to thinking its fake as he is a graffiti artist in his profile and selling "plausible" real artworks of Whitely, DC Joker character study, Basquiat, Herring, Renoir, Dali and Warhol. In all his listings he cites needing cash, Deceased estate, no COA or verification and selling the artwork for way below what a genuine one would cost? Does this seem like the MO for art fraud? I thought it would be funny to ask ozbargain anyway.

Front:
Back:

"Picasso Study, purchased at a deceased auction in Ohio I’m going to Tassie at 6:45am, the deal is only on the table for tonight only. As I can just send it to the Picasso foundation to find out its authenticity but I need quick cash, it even has a gallery resonet number. If it’s not real it’s 1 in 2 odds, it’s as a sure a bet as you get."

Poll Options

  • 22
    Genuine Picasso
  • 111
    Definitely a Fake
  • 6
    Could be real, buy it and get it verified
General Discussion

closed Comments

  • SF3 on 17/12/2021 - 21:05
    +44

    Real Picasso on Facebook Marketplace? LOL

    • [Deactivated] on 17/12/2021 - 21:09
      -3

      r/Whatisthispainting
      "Pretty neat! Hard to tell, the paper looks old and seems to have been wet from paint? Is is painted or a print/lithograph? Have you tried a magnifying glass? One thought; paintings like these don’t just get ‘lost’.

      Why not show your photo’s to one of the galleries/museums listed verso. They might be able to help. Picasso museum"

    • DashCam AKA Rolts on 17/12/2021 - 23:06
      +10

      I buy all of my Picassos on Facebook marketplace. None of my purchases have been fake, so 0/0 FTW.

      • Kangal on 18/12/2021 - 20:44
        -1

        0/0 = 1 = 100%
        …so all your Facebook Picasso's were fake?

        • DashCam AKA Rolts on 18/12/2021 - 20:57
          +2

          0/0 =/= 1

          • Kangal on 19/12/2021 - 02:24
            +1

            @DashCam AKA Rolts: .
            Well, it's not true that 0/0 is NOT 1.
            The answer can actually be ANY number.
            It is not defined.

            …so imma stick with 1 as that is a possible answer :D

          • GrueHunter on 19/12/2021 - 11:36

            @DashCam AKA Rolts: Sure it does. You just need very large values of zero

        • bio on 18/12/2021 - 21:43
          +2

          0/0 is undefined.

        • MrThing on 19/12/2021 - 00:57
          +1

          yikes.

          Which finger painting book did you learn maths from

    • HeWhoKnows on 18/12/2021 - 07:35
      +2

      If its on Facebook marketplace it must be real

      Just like all the other Marletplace super deals

      Ive seen brand new iPhone 13 pro selling for $110 on Facebook Marketplace (redirecting to a web site)

      • MrThing on 19/12/2021 - 00:57

        Just like all those crates of excess stock of DeWalt power tools selling for $149

        100% legit

    • MrThing on 19/12/2021 - 00:56

      This comment is so under-rated

      • SF3 on 19/12/2021 - 10:25

        It’s a good thing.

        The majority of the OzB community should be skeptical, when judging the authenticity of creative art. ;)

  • rektrading on 17/12/2021 - 21:12
    +2

    If only there were a way to create art and provide irrefutable provenance. 🤔

    • mskeggs on 17/12/2021 - 21:17
      +1

      I don’t think there is a way for real world art.

    • SBOB on 17/12/2021 - 21:23
      +4

      Did Picasso have a public key?

    • Jimothy Wongingtons on 17/12/2021 - 21:23
      +5

      Best I can do is ugly pixel monkey

    • Kangal on 18/12/2021 - 20:48

      Ow boy, aren't you in for a treat. Call me Vic, and I'm going to make you rich. Let me ask you, have you ever heard of something called NFTs?

      • tikei on 18/12/2021 - 22:16
        -1

        You took the bait

        • Vinodra on 19/12/2021 - 10:48

          They didn't, that is a South Park reference.

  • raptormesh on 17/12/2021 - 21:16
    +3

    Are you serious OP?

  • [Deactivated] on 17/12/2021 - 21:17
    -1

    Contacted Fondation Beyeler, Galleria Blu,(both listed verso) and Museo Picasso Málaga to get a second opinion

    • SBOB on 17/12/2021 - 21:24
      +3

      Congrats….at least they now have one extra 'hey, did you hear about that one' historical story for their Christmas parties.

      (Though they likely dont appreciate you wasting their time)

      • [Deactivated] on 17/12/2021 - 21:27
        +4

        I think they would be interested to know if art fraud is being conducted using their art gallery stamp

  • iNeed2Pee on 17/12/2021 - 21:25
    +2

    I have whistlers mother for sale if you want to buy.

  • [Deactivated] on 17/12/2021 - 21:25
    -2

    It's probably fake
    RiffRaff1292 on Ozbargain Unofficial Discord
    "I reversed image searched it. https://www.ebay.ph/itm/384410653400#vi__app-cvip-panel"
    Was listed on Ebay for $150USD

    • brendanm on 17/12/2021 - 21:33
      +12

      It's probably fake

      It's some random guy selling it on Facebook marketplace FFS mate. It is 100%, irrefutably, certainly, guaranteed, fake.

      on Ozbargain Unofficial Discord

      Nice shill attempt.

      • SF3 on 17/12/2021 - 22:47

        OP is creating discord literally.

  • spackbace on 17/12/2021 - 21:33
    +3

    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/671111

    Is this just trolling now?

    Like cmon…

    • kerfuffle on 18/12/2021 - 00:02

      Don't forget the scooter one.

      • [Deactivated] on 18/12/2021 - 00:35

        Not trolling, was asking for genuine advice and I got it back

        • Ughhh on 18/12/2021 - 06:32
          +3

          The lack of common sense and thinking may be coming off as trolling….

      • Chickenleg on 18/12/2021 - 15:18
        +3

        I liked the one where he forgot who he sold a Disney Plus spot to

        • [Deactivated] on 18/12/2021 - 16:34
          +1

          Good you find these entertaining I'll do more of them

  • djones145 on 17/12/2021 - 21:37
    +2

    dead set legit

    I'm buying it and flogging it on eBay for millions

    suckers

  • [Deactivated] on 17/12/2021 - 21:59
    +1

    It's not a fake…

    https://youtu.be/vn_PSJsl0LQ

  • Hardlyworkin on 17/12/2021 - 22:03
    +1

    I can paint you a picture of pigs flying if you like?

    • [Deactivated] on 17/12/2021 - 23:39

      Yes please, give it to me for exposure

  • Muzeeb on 17/12/2021 - 22:12
    +10

    Another troll shit post.

    Cheers op

  • AndyC1 on 17/12/2021 - 22:32
    +1

    It MUST be real as it's available as its on the internet….

  • randomusername2017 on 17/12/2021 - 22:56

    yawnzzz

  • raptormesh on 18/12/2021 - 00:21
    +2

    OP stop trying to stir shit up for your discord channel.

    • [Deactivated] on 18/12/2021 - 00:36

      I'm not I didn't link it anywhere here

  • AustriaBargain on 18/12/2021 - 01:29
    +1

    Are you sure it's not a licensed reproduction or print that is sold to galleries. Supposing whoever owned Picasso's estate liked earning money, and these things are officially licensed but not very valuable, though licensed prints sometimes can be quite valuable. But suppose these ones were oversold and are not valuable today.

  • Cluster on 18/12/2021 - 02:38

    Even in the remote chance it's a real Picasso, it's so ugly. I know people go gaga over anything Picasso touched and throw money at it, but this piece is just hideous.

  • Cluster on 18/12/2021 - 02:42
    +2

    High pressure sales tactic: "Available tonight only!" Check

    Could sell it for a lot more later, but offers a terrible excuse: Check

    Features artist that is known by everyone and widely counterfeited: Check

    I'm surprised the seller doesn't say they live on an oil rig and need the money to buy an overpriced car for their son, who is about to attend Charles Darwin university.

    I'll just add that a certificate of authenticity means nothing. If someone can fake the artwork, they can fake the piece of paper too.

  • jacross on 18/12/2021 - 07:59
    +3

    The most grating aspect of that listing is the purported odds of 1 in 2, like the two options (real or fake) inherently equate to a 50/50 chance.

    • [Deactivated] on 18/12/2021 - 16:35

      Yes he confused the number of outcomes with likelihood

  • [Deactivated] on 18/12/2021 - 08:57

    I found your Reddit account
    https://www.reddit.com/r/WhatIsThisPainting/comments/ridehh/…

  • GoldenDragon888 on 18/12/2021 - 09:27

    Man lockdown and covid is really screwing with people's mind.

    reminds me of the teaching van skit from Armstrong and Miller

  • shaybisc on 18/12/2021 - 09:44

    Did Picasso ever paint tubbies? I've never seen one not that I'm an art student.

  • OzHunterNSW on 18/12/2021 - 09:47
    +1

    Forgive me but it is people just like you that form the overwhelming statistics of being rorted each year by scammers.

    Sit down with a pen and paper… jot down your thoughts; All Picasso paintings/drawings are accounted for. If real, it would be worth thousands. An Art Museum, or Art Dealer would have bought it by now.
    Now jot down the what ifs; It could be real, it could have been overlooked, it could have been passed down by family members, it could be part of stollen antiquities by the Germain in wwii.
    Now jot down; Am I so stupid (not you) to even entertain such notions? Am I so uneducated (not you) that I have absolutely no idea how to spot SCAMs? Am I one of the gullible who are potentially rorted each year in Australia (yes possibly you)?

  • Lastchancetosee on 18/12/2021 - 09:52
    +1

    If you've got any money left over, I have this fabulous bridge in Sydney…

  • zombrex on 18/12/2021 - 09:53

    It would probably take more than $350 in time and materials to make this fake painting.
    In that sense it's a bad deal.

  • FW190 on 18/12/2021 - 09:57
    +1

    OP I think you should definitely buy it, then take it to the Pawn Stars boys for appraisal :)

    In all seriousness, according to Google, the last Picasso painting was sold for $104 million, so there you is your answer :)

  • shaybisc on 18/12/2021 - 10:56
    +1

    The art market is the ultimate in label lunacy. If if it is a Picasso its resale value is $60 million, if it is not its resale value is zero.

  • Marrickvillain on 18/12/2021 - 15:04

    Picasso was astonishingly prolific, but don't let that fool you - the fact that this this chap is selling for cash only and has many unrelated works for sale, is very dodgy IMHO

  • randomusername2017 on 18/12/2021 - 18:22

    Slavity…

  • RiseAndRuin on 18/12/2021 - 19:47

    Thanks OP, I needed a good laugh today.

    • [Deactivated] on 18/12/2021 - 23:45

      Pleasure to be of service

  • Blargman2001 on 18/12/2021 - 21:12
    -1

    This lacks any real sense of artistry and sounds like a scam. Not an expert but an art lover. Picasso usually has really strong composition. This one is weak and the brush work is messy. Would give it a miss.

    • [Deactivated] on 18/12/2021 - 23:45

      Yeah I thought it looked off…

  • cashless on 18/12/2021 - 21:42
    +1

    Can confirm genuine Picasso.
    Jeez, why do we have to put up with this shite in the forums.
    Come here looking for entertainment & all we find is crap

    • smartazz104 on 18/12/2021 - 22:03

      Come here looking for entertainment

      Didn't realise Sydney was that boring…

  • smartazz104 on 18/12/2021 - 22:02

    Four reports, must be from people also trying to sell fake art.

  • Hugh G Rection on 18/12/2021 - 22:20

    i hope he also has "Interchange" by Willem de Kooning for a similar price.

  • Cave Fire on 18/12/2021 - 22:47
    +1

    ok, the painting looks amateur. The seller has literally put it in dirt to take a picture. stuff on the back is from what look's like a release of prints in 1981. The front looks newer or somehow off for me. Best case is it's a print and you get them for under a $100 - $200. Some eventually gain in value though.

  • ProlapsedHeinous on 19/12/2021 - 05:06
    +1

    One of the biggest red flags apart from a price that is too good to be true, is the seller trying to create a sense or urgency, to trick you into buying something you normally may have spent more time studying/checking. I wouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole.

  • LoserScott on 19/12/2021 - 06:50

    My picassos real, I'll nft it to you wait….

  • npnp on 19/12/2021 - 08:58

    Judging from past posts as well, this dude (the OP) is either super naive individual or trying out methods to discover best ways to scam people.

  • cheapaschips on 19/12/2021 - 09:47

    Troll post and you all are feeding him. Can you ignore users on this site. I would recommend that.

  • shaybisc on 19/12/2021 - 10:52

    Salvator Mundi, the US$450.3 million supposed to be Leonardo da Vinci but probably not, was sold for £45 in 1958.

    I wish you could put lmao emoticons here because the art market does make me lmao.

    • Cluster on 19/12/2021 - 10:57

      Yes, I can imagine the sale in 1958:

      "Hey chum, I'm catching the ship to Majorca this evening and ya gotta buy this painting right now. I could sell it for £200 when I get back but I really need the money now. It's a Da Vinci, I swear on Aunt Bessy's life!"

  • Brian McGee on 19/12/2021 - 11:18

    It’s a genuine copy authorised by the estate to celebrate the 100 year anniversary of Picasso. Not q fake, but not painted by the original artist.

  • Brian McGee on 19/12/2021 - 11:20

    It’s a genuine copy authorised by the estate to celebrate the 100 year anniversary of Picasso. Not a fake, but not painted by the original artist.

  • DASHCAM NOW DUDE on 19/12/2021 - 11:47
    +1

    The Art Market is a Scam(And Rich People Run It) by Wendover Productions.

  • Ciderfizz44 on 19/12/2021 - 12:02

    Quality shit post, or free advertising..

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