Why Would a Pedigree Dog Not Be Allowed to Be Shown?

tulip99 on 18/12/2021 - 08:24
Last edited 18/12/2021 - 09:26 by 1 other user

I'm carefully considering getting a pedigree puppy. I don't want to say what breed it is, but I've received information from a local breeder and I'll have to go on a waiting list.

On the application form, it says the puppy will come with limited registration papers and I can't show it in conformation classes.

I was wondering if anyone would know why that would be? If it's a pedigree dog from a good breeder, why wouldn't they want you to take it to shows if that's what you're into (not that I am)? I'm just trying to understand everything about getting a pedigree dog. I had a dog growing up that was a "bitzer" and was a cattle dog cross but that's my only experience with dogs.

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  • Ocker on 18/12/2021 - 08:32
    +3

    "conformation classes" ?
    Is that something like in the Catholic church where kids get "confirmed" as part of the indoctrination into the Catholic faith?

    • Quantumcat on 18/12/2021 - 08:37
      +1

      ConfOrmation is animal body structure

    • elgrande on 18/12/2021 - 10:27

      Yep.. and get slapped in the face.

  • RockyRaccoon on 18/12/2021 - 08:36
    +3

    I'm just trying to understand everything about getting a pedigree dog

    đź’°đź’¸

    I had a dog growing up that was a "bitzer"

    You were trained well, dont forget the wisdom your parents gave you then.

    • tulip99 on 18/12/2021 - 08:40

      Thanks

  • Adredocto on 18/12/2021 - 08:41
    +9

    They don't want you profiting off their bloodlines.
    Often these sorts of breeders will prevent you from showing or breeding them yourself.

    Check up on issues with your breed too, these dogs are selectively bred and that can lead to inherent genetic issues

    • baker bob on 18/12/2021 - 22:35
      +1

      I have relatives in the UK who rescued a dog that has been breed so badly it has 2 penises. So many abandoned animals with wonderful personalities, screw breeders.

      • reactor-au on 19/12/2021 - 08:24

        That just have been the breeders golden ticket - breed them twice as fast. It's disgusting, breeders should be limited to a litter a year, maybe 6 month's max - per breeder not per bitch either.

  • tulip99 on 18/12/2021 - 08:43

    Thanks. I understand about not breeding from the dog, but I don't understand why I couldn't show it if it was healthy and a good example of the breed. Isn't that why you pay $$$ to have the best dog possible of the breed? Not just looks but health and temperament as well?

    • Presence on 18/12/2021 - 10:00
      +2

      Isn't that why you pay $$$ to have the best dog possible of the breed?

      Thats not how it works in the dog industry. They did all the work, you just bought it.

  • pegaxs on 18/12/2021 - 08:46
    +12

    Everything seems to be a “pedigree dog” these days. People are mixing random dogs and just mashing their names together and calling it a “purebred”.

    “Yes, we bred a shih tzu with a boxer… these are purebred Shitbox puppies…”

    Why don’t they want you to show their dogs? Probably for a few reasons, and my guessings are, they are farmed out in puppy mills for cash. There is little care taken to check for hereditary issues and they don’t want their dogs under the spotlight at shows for tuning up genetic issues and having their breeders license revoked, or, they simply don’t want to compete at either shows and/or with you as a breeder.

  • tulip99 on 18/12/2021 - 08:51
    -1

    The breed I'm looking at is an actual pedigree, not a "designer" breed.

  • sordidanalogy on 18/12/2021 - 08:59
    +3

    If you want to breed / show it, then the price will be $25,000+

    A show / bloodline dog is a completely different product.

  • Blue Suby on 18/12/2021 - 09:22
    +4

    Conformation can be anything from a misaligned jaw to a possible hip dysplasia and anything in between. If you are not going to show it the breeder may ask for the dog to be spayed/neutered to avoid you breeding with it. The price should reflect that. (ie cheaper)
    My last dog was purebred and cost me $100 as a 12 month old-his teeth didn't meet. I only ever wanted a pet and he went to be a 15yo. I know most people want a puppy but the truth is if you don't have experience with dogs you have to be prepared for toilet training and having a lot of chewed up stuff. the cuteness stage doesn't last very long. The breeder will likely keep the best of the litter. Having said all this there is nothing wrong with getting a particular breed as a pet even though i's not show quality. Make sure it's microchipped and all vaccinations up to date for its age. hope this helps.

  • shaybisc on 18/12/2021 - 09:37
    +2

    Hmm, this is a newie on me, restrictions before they are bred. I knew dog show people back in the day who would tell potential buyers which puppies in a litter they considered to be show quality and which were not. I assume they priced accordingly.

  • tallkid123 on 18/12/2021 - 09:38
    +5

    Pedigree dogs on limited register are basically the dogs the breeder already knows won't conform to their breed standard and hence won't win anything if they're ever shown. I think of them as showdog rejects that the breeder sells to recoup costs for the next litter.

    I have two pedigree shih tzus with both dogs' sire being an Australian Grand Champion. And while they're both amazing little dogs, even I know that their 'imperfections' (undersized, etc) have already disqualified them from the ring.

    Press the reply button underneath my post so that your reply directly follows what you're replyting to.

    • tulip99 on 18/12/2021 - 13:10

      Thanks. Your reply and the others above yours are the type of answers I hoped to get so I could understand about the limited registration :-)

      • tallkid123 on 18/12/2021 - 13:19

        Whats your desired breed? Curious as to why it needs to be secret?

        • Muzeeb on 18/12/2021 - 13:22

          In my mind it's a havapoo

        • tulip99 on 18/12/2021 - 13:33
          -5

          Because I like being a person of mystery! ;-)

  • FW190 on 18/12/2021 - 09:47
    +3

    usually, when you buy from a registered breeder, the puppies will be classed as "pet quality" or "show quality".

    "limited register" usually means "pet quality", health wise nothing wrong with the dog itself, it is just that some of traits may not up to show standards (things like color of their fur etc, mostly just physical appearance stuff).

    and usually, "show quality" puppies would be more expensive, by quite a margin.

    at least in the past, I think some dog shows have "pet quality" competitions as well, but you won't get any titles from winning those comps.

    the other comps you can go for are obedience and agility, I don't think they require show quality for those comps.

    • tulip99 on 18/12/2021 - 13:11

      Thanks :-)

  • Muzeeb on 18/12/2021 - 09:53
    +4

    When you enter your canine into a show as a registered dog you need to include the kennel name (ie the breeders registered name).

    The kennel name is the breeders reputation. I suspect they don't want some newbie hack showing their inbred deformed dogs.

    • tulip99 on 18/12/2021 - 13:11

      Thanks :-)

  • DashCam AKA Rolts on 18/12/2021 - 10:10
    +5

    The breeder obvious considers the dog being sold is not of show quality. If you show the dog, it will reflect poorly on the kennel's reputation. This has an impact on both the value of stud services and pups sold. Hence kennels are happy to sell you a pet, but don't want you showing a dog that will not reflect the peak of their breeding.

  • shaybisc on 18/12/2021 - 10:58
    +1

    Oh, so the puppy has been born? I misread.

    • tulip99 on 18/12/2021 - 13:12

      Not yet. I have to fill in an application form and go on a waiting list.

  • PugHugger on 18/12/2021 - 10:59
    +3

    Dogs on Limited Register to my knowledge simply cannot be entered into shows. As others have said, they usually have a 'fault' that means they are not strictly compliant with their breed standard.

    For example, my of my two pugs (now deceased) one was on Mains and was actually shown a few times before he developed a health issue that resulted in him being unfit for breeding. One was on limited as her tail did not curl enough and her legs were slightly too short. Both were lovely dogs and wonderful pets.

    If anyone is interested, the health issue was a deformity of the ear canal that only manifested as he hit puberty and resulted in the removal of the ear canal and drum meaning he had both a major fault for showing and could not be used at stud as it might have turned up again in later lines.

    My gain as he lived a life of luxury and never listened to me so the loss of the ear was no consequence…

    • kacak on 19/12/2021 - 08:51

      Sorry, accidentally downvoted instead of upvoting your comment (fat fingers on small screen). Can anyone advise how to change it please?

      • cookie2 on 15/01/2022 - 19:09

        I don't think you can on mobile. I believe you can if on desktop site.not sure how tho.

  • Benoffie on 18/12/2021 - 11:00
    +3

    I own an Australian Champion dog. The time and effort involved in showing a dog is almost always underestimated by those outside the world of breeding. It takes years for dogs to attend enough shows, earn enough points to gain a title. And that's if they're good enough.
    A breeder doesn't want 2 things - competition by creating a backyard breeder and a sloppy example of the breed with their name in the ring.
    Does it mean the dog is bad? Of course not! They are perfect dogs for pets, perfectly healthy and will live normal lives.
    But they are not the best. The best stay with the breeder. The best are for shows and breeding. That's ok đź‘Ť

  • try2bhelpful on 18/12/2021 - 11:08
    +3

    We have two Somali cats that are, just, adorable. They were sold as pet cats not show cats. The breeder ensured they were neutered before we got them. It wouldn’t surprise me if your breeder, also, insisted on neutering before hand over. Shows are, often, an attempt by breeders to show their bloodlines and look to the next generation of puppies/kittens. They aren’t, really, interested in amateurs with neutered animals.

    One of our girls is show quality and the other was the runt. However, I wouldn’t have put either girl through the show circuit.

  • Tee Rex Arms on 18/12/2021 - 11:26
    +4

    Probably some small yappy pest

  • deme on 18/12/2021 - 12:11

    I don't want to say what breed it is,

    lol

  • tulip99 on 18/12/2021 - 13:14
    +2

    Thanks everyone for your comments. I don't want to show my dog if I get one, I just didn't understand what the limited registration and no showing was. Now I do :-) And they already have a no breeding ban so I assume the puppy will be desexed before I bring it home.

    And it's not a small yappy dog. It's a medium sized dog. But I'm also considering 2 other dog breeds as well and I'm not rushing into anything.

    • Muzeeb on 18/12/2021 - 13:34
      +2

      so I assume the puppy will be desexed before I bring it home.

      If they desex their puppies at 8 weeks then they are horrible breeders. Avoid. Avoid

      Or

      You really need to keep educating yourself about dogs before you purchase.

      • tulip99 on 18/12/2021 - 13:38
        +2

        Thanks. That's what I'm trying to do :-) I know a lot of people on here are knowledgeable about lots of things, which is why I posted on here. I don't know for sure the puppies are desexed so young - I just assumed, so you're right, I do need to do more research, which I will do.

        • Muzeeb on 18/12/2021 - 13:44
          +1

          I think you'll make an awesome owner. Thanks for not just buying a puppy without knowing all the intricacies of what will become your best friend for the next decade +.

          • tulip99 on 18/12/2021 - 13:55
            +1

            @Muzeeb: Thanks :-) I appreciate your replies :-) and everyone else's.

            • tulip99 on 19/12/2021 - 12:33

              @tulip99: MS Paint, I've sent you a PM. Hope that's okay.

    • FW190 on 19/12/2021 - 13:13
      +1

      probably should clarify with your breeder, at least in my experience, "desex after x month/before x year old" would be part of the contract/agreement (written or verbal), but no idea how enforceable it is though.

      usually only RSPCA would desex the pet before letting you take them home, regardless of their age.

      • tulip99 on 19/12/2021 - 13:58

        Thanks :-)

  • Heaps for Cheaps on 18/12/2021 - 18:29
    +1

    I have to say that Cadbury Roses chocolates have really gone downhill the last few years. It's 90% garbage now.

  • Sensiekatie on 19/12/2021 - 14:24
    +2

    In my experience with cats and dogs, the reputable breeders will keep those of high quality to either show themselves or breed from.

    If you wanted to show, you have to be a registered breeder and I'm pretty sure the dog would have to be whole. That would mean full registration with no limits and the price goes up. Also, they aren't going to sell off potential grand champions to unknowns. How you would get into the circle I don't know, but there is a circle of people already showing. However I imagination most are also breeding and show to market their brand. These people will also sire within the group. The price used to be a pup from the litter. They can bring in new genes into their existing pool.

    A word of advice, ask for the results of genetic testing of both parents. If they are not prepared to provide this, then stay right away. Every breed has a list of inherited conditions. They can be tested for. A reputable breeder will only breed from those without the inherited genes leading to these conditions. So research what the usual conditions for the breed are so that you can check they are free from.all conditions.

    When I was looking for a puppy earlier in the year, there were many who didn't have the testing done and quite a few who had. In Qld, they are supposed to provide information about both parents.

    • tulip99 on 19/12/2021 - 16:18

      Thanks so much :-)

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