Is a $30 Rental Increase Reasonable?

I've been living in my current rental (3 br 90s home) in SE suburbs of Melbourne since September 2016, so over 5 years now and current lease is ending in March. The rent has stayed at $350 per week since we moved in and I said I was interested in a 6 month renewal, and the REA has advised the landlord wants to increase rent to $380 per week 'as it is well below market price', so a $30 increase.

I'm fine with the idea of increasing the rent generally, but $30 a week or an 8.6% increase seems like a large jump in one go considering we've been good tenants. Just curious to hear other opinions, and whether it's worth haggling the increase?

Update: Thanks for all the responses. We negotiated an increase to $370 per week for a 6 month lease.

Comments

          • @Eeples: Consider wear and tear on the property. Kitchens, bathrooms, carpet, roof repairs these all need to be replaced at some point, and cost of it is skyrocketing. Too late to put the rent up afterwards to pay for that. Rates, water, repairs and maint, insurance these costs are certainly going up. And many seem to think low interest means rent should be low. But the same won't apply when interest goes up, it's the landlords role to absorb that either way. You also need to consider the cost of the money, why should the owner not receive income on the profit from their investment. There is opportunity cost of that money, they could re-invest it, put it in shares etc.

    • +1

      Gees sorry to hear about such large increases, didn't know that was possible. :(

      • +1

        We didn’t either, but honestly we were expecting a larger increase than $100 for our next 6 months. Someone I work with (lives 20 minutes away) had her rent increase $170 from $500 to $670 in August last year

  • +1

    If your current lease is ending in March, you don't need to sign a new one, at the end of the fixed period it should turn into a month to month agreement. AFAIK in Vic the maximum rent increase allowed is about 4%, unless something changed (sort of) recently.

    • -1

      I couldn't find anything about a maximum rental increase percentage with Victoria so I don't think it applies anymore. I'm choosing to have the 6 month lease just for some added security while hoping I'll be able to be in a position to buy in the later half of the year.

    • "The law doesn’t say exactly how much a rental provider can put the rent up by." Consumer.vic.gov.au

      You can dispute it, but you can't just not pay the increase (I believe if you dispute it you don't have to pay the extra until it's resolved). If you just don't pay and carry on with a periodic agreement they just follow the proceedures (if you're 14 days overdue, they can give you a 14 day notice to vacate). Tenents Victoria

      you don't need to sign a new one, at the end of the fixed period it should turn into a month to month agreement

      However if you don't agree with the rent increase they can still end the periodic agreement. Even if they are slow on the paperwork that may only give you another 60 days after they provide a notice to vacate.

      • +1

        It looks like a bunch of things changed around mid 2019. Either way, OP has been paying the same rent (his fault for not shopping around I guess) through the past 2 years, where prices have gone down 30-40% in many places, so I think no decent landlord would ask for an increase tbh. I'd still suggest continuing the current lease agreement rather than signing a new one, as that means the landlord wouldn't have to pay the REA for the paperwork and OP can leverage that to get a discount.

        • Many areas rent has gone up 10-20% or more not down. it is really area dependent and by the sounds of it he is in an area that has gone up not down.

  • -3

    Say no to ur landlord..Looking at current vacancy rate he will take back the increase.

  • +4

    Say no so I can take your lease, $380 for a 3br sounds great especially if they only increase rent below inflation.

  • +1

    It's reasonable for investors to increase the rent to counter inflation.

  • +1

    No

  • +10

    Here's a quick test.
    Try to find another place that's suitable/equivalent.
    If you can't, be thankful your rent isn't increasing more!
    If you can, consider moving.

    It's not really something the ozbargain community can determine for you and your situation.

    • This. No one is forcing you to stay.

    • +1

      And add the cost of relocation.

  • +1

    You're lucky it's not more given the current market.

  • % return on the value of a property is a lot less today than it was 20 years ago.

  • +1

    Sometimes youre better off not listening to a REA. If you rented my place for 5 years as a good tennant I would rather keep you then risk you leaving for a a few extra bucks.

    If im local im more inclined to cancel the property management and go direct with the tenant and save $$ that way.

    • +3

      But the question after that is how long do you wait until you increase it? If they were a good tenent for 10 years, but market value was an extra $200 a week do you increase it then? At what point in the 10 years do you increase it?

      I'd suggest smaller increases every couple of years is better than a large increase once off.

    • Yes, REA are usually the culprit that suggest landlord to increase rental and rarely the landlords who often just wants property to be rented out.

  • +3

    At a time when house prices are going through the roof, and homelessness is a growing and concerning problem, you have been paying ~ $20 a week less than what the S.A. Housing trust considered a fair market rent for my 1950's dry-rot filled 2 bedroom semi beside an overnight bakery on the edge of an industrial area in 2006. Your Landlord has also not lifted the rent for five years.

    I'd be going around and mowing their lawns for them as an expression of my gratitude.

  • The irony here is, all housing associations including private are going up, community, non community every place you can think of that has the term lease will go up, there's no way around it. As of 25th January 2022 rent rises will be in effect everywhere.

  • -2

    Imo No. In times like covid why should people expect someone who cant afford a house to pay even more. $30 adds up over the year and $1500 especially if you run into now common problems (there are periods when you can't work because you have to isolate, medical bills etc)

  • We have been living on an apartment for just 9 months where landlord gave us 8 week notice of additional $100/week increase. We renegotiated for just $50/week but landlord did not accept. Called Fairtraiding if this is reasonable but landlord gave proper notice and its a hassle going through the additional legal process. Ended up moving out and we found out that the unit list price on the market was the additional $50/week we renegotiated now.

    We recently found out that tenants move out every year on this apartment as the landlord keeps raising the rent every year.
    Website: https://www.oldlistings.com.au/

    In 5 years w/o increase and just having $30/week increase now is still reasonable. Try renegotiating for 12month lease with lower increase.

  • +1

    It sucks and there's really no one answer

    But considering we're in hyperinflation and cost of properties are insanely high

    Landlord is either wanting to kick you out or most likely match current rental market prices

    Have a look at realestate.com.au and see what rent people are listing a property similar to the one you are living in for

  • +1

    Sounds reasonable. Rent has doubled in the last couple of years on the sunny coast.

  • +2

    Only $30wp increase after five years sounds pretty good to me.

  • +2

    My grandma's landlord hasn't changed rent in 10 years, it's half what it could go for but I guess his repayments haven't changed (if he has anything to repay at all) so his logic would be the same as mine, why increase it? Why try and squeeze someone for every dollar when you could both live reasonably good lives.

    Landlord: paid off house or historically low interest rates

    Tenant: cheap place to live that makes buying too much of a hassle

    Win-win

  • You had a good run, I think. Seems fair

  • Not bad, good price.

  • +2

    Extremely reasonable, you're lucky it's not more OP, my landlord has done worse.

    I hope you don't screw yourself by trying to cheap out.

  • +1

    $380 for a 3 bedroom house in Melbourne sounds like a steel to me. I would just count my blessings if I were in your shoes.

  • Just got a few landlord insurance quotes. 4k…

    Currently paying 1.7k

    Things have gone up. Think the rent increase is reasonable over 5 years.

    • 4k for landlord insurance?! Is that including or excluding house insurance?

      Edit: just got a quote, it's just over 1k…might be different for multimillion dollar property, I'm more interested in what % of your rent it is.

  • +2

    I've been buying homes for 5 years and am an excellent investor. Real estate agent wants more money for the same type of house I bought 5 years ago! I'm fine with the idea of price increasing generally but a 8.6% increase over 5 years is a large jump. Is there a way I can ignore market forces and get what I want?

  • +1

    Fair increase after five and a half years.

  • +1

    Fair rate increase, Landlords costs would have been rising over the last five years as well doubt they would actually make a lot of money from the proposed increase.

  • +2

    3BR house for $380 per week.. that'll get you shoebox studio in Sydney. maybe 1br farther from cbd

    • Yeah won't get you even a 1 bedroom unit anywhere near sydney

  • +2

    Unfortunately they can do that and not all landlords are like me. I was once a renter in my younger days and know what it's like to be a tennant, I have been a property investor for 20+ years with multiple properties now and I appreciate good tenants like yourself and never increase rent for tenants renewing their leases, the only time it gets increased is when new tenants move in, so old tennants are always living in my properties at under market value.

    I wish other landlords could be like me and help good tennants like yourself by not increasing rent by a large amount which can really hurt tennants. Landlords have been extremely luckly lately, interest rates are at an all time low amd have remained like that for so long now.

    • +1

      So you would let long term tenants pay 50% or more discount on market rate? really?

      • +1

        My grandma's landlord does that

      • Because good tenants are actually hard to find. I have not increased the rent on a house I own for 5 years. I am now $100 a week less than the market average and I hope that these tenants continue to stay on. They have a clean, comfortable place to live and I have comfort knowing my house isn't being treated like crap.

        • +2

          And you would keep doing that at $150 a week? $200 a week? $300? You are absolutely free to act as a charity, But then you should ask yourself why you got into the LL business in the first place.

          • +2

            @gromit: Yea these landlords who never increase rent are not doing themselves any favours. If you increase your rent and the tenants decide to leave, they will be paying market rate anyway.

      • Yes really.

        • +1

          So not really a LL, more a charity organisation, good for you.

    • It's crazy, especially in regional areas where the population is already pretty poor to begin with you have city investors pumping up housing prices and increasing rents by 50% while their salary hasn't exactly changed much. That's probably food coming out of their mouths and into your bank account.

  • +1

    Reasonable - absolutely.
    No increases for 5 years! you've been so lucky.

    When i moved out of home in 2015 at the end of the first year's contract they increased the rent from $425 to $445/week.

  • Counter offer and offer them 30 dollar less than you pay now.

  • Your learned a valuable lesson. If you are on a good rental wicket don't ask for anything.

  • Could have gone up due to value going up and therefore insurance.

  • -1

    OP, just vacate the landlord would probably be better off and then you come back here on the forum and whinge how rent is so expensive in the SE burbs. Lol

  • +1

    my landlord increased my rent by $60 a week

  • On the subject of renters just opting of buying a house so there's stable "rent" or amortisation payments, all the banks are predicting to have several rate increases for the next couple of years, that's why the fixed rate plans are significantly higher than the variable rate plans. I guess you'll be on the same boat. Pay with a high stable rate or pay with a lower rate with good possibility to pay higher (several increases) in the future. There are certain suburbs that are still cheaper to rent than buy, specially in SE Melb.

  • +1

    Thanks OP for updating on the resolution 👍

  • +3

    What’s bizarre is this idea starting to permeate in the last few years that landlords are all evil and they’re expected to manage their property like it’s a charity.

    In literally any other business people accept that market dynamics determine price, sometimes that works in your favour sometimes it doesn’t.
    But when a landlord quite generously doesn’t raise rent for 5 whole years and then adjusts it to somewhere close to market value you get posts like this.
    Honestly it’s just bizarre.

  • you are lucky to have just 8% increase in rent. we have paid 20% more rent as compare to last year. Just check realstate.com.au annually rental report for your suburb.

  • Actually given you only want 6 months .. i wouldn't haggle .. if you were signing longer term they might be more inclined to stagger it or something.

  • +1

    $30 increase after 5 years is very reasonable.

    My landlord is trying for $80 after just 18 months..

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