New Electric car hitting the market in the 'green revolution' the world is going though.
I reckon the next car i get will be an EV personally i think the 'cost' of point of sale are simply still to high for me but according to the website it can be charged in less then 4.5min which could solve distance travel issues as more charging stations are increases in population across the country.
https://www.kia.com/au/cars/EV6/coming-soon.html
the kia website - i would say that is not a reliable source but even if it was 5-10mins that is pretty impressive
"Less than 4.5 min for 100 km"
Probably a cherry-picked point within the entire charge cycle. Even then still sounds BS-y.
yea fair i dont trust what the manufacturer website days i will wait for independents to do reviews but from were im standing at the price they are asking i think i'd lean towards a Tesla? or am i crazy
@Mr Haj: Like 70-80k depending on the model imo too expensive u can get a model 3 Tesla for around the same if not slightly cheaper.
@Trying2SaveABuck: 0-100 in 3.5 seconds is quick. Model 3 isn't anywhere near that quick is it? I don't know enough about electric cars to give a good answer. I think the longer you can hold off the better. Electric cars are improving at a rapid rate.
@Mr Haj: That's for the top of the line GT model. The model 3 Performance (top of the line) does 0-100 in 3.3 so the Tesla is faster. The base EV6 Air and middle range GT-Line do 0-100 in a slow 7.3 seconds. Base model 3 0-100 in 6.1 and model 3 long range in 4.4
to put that into perspective
it has 500km range… so it can charge up 20% in sub 5 mins lol
ummm…. so what?
Definitely this. And it's not that remarkable.
I have seen 1200km/h on my Tesla when charging at 170kW - for a few minutes
Therefore 100km would charge in 5 minutes.
800km range will take 40 min… Takes 40 seconds w diesel so not exactly BS fast. I'd believe that..
I guess most people don't notice the * at the end of the statement. Here's what they stand for and all of them sound BS and marketing scam:
Especially the "Charging speed and motor performance figures refer to Kia test results, final figures will be communicated at a later stage.".. they'll probably change it to 30 minutes, who knows.
That's with 350kw charger I believe. Not available everywhere
according to the website it can be charged in less then 4.5min
Yeah, nah.
Both models offer 800-volt electrical systems with 350kW DC fast charging, capable of a 10 to 80 per cent recharge in 18 minutes.
Yep, 18 minutes confirmed to not be 4.5 minutes. I wonder how many 800v 350kw chargers are around?
I wonder how long the battery will last, being charged at that rate all the time.
It's 4.5 mins to get a range of 100km, presumably when the battery is near empty. You don't need 80% battery level to travel 100km.
@redforever: A) where was that stated in the op
B) it uses its own fast charge voyage spec, how many 800v DC chargers are around?
C) fast charging is bad for batteries.
@brendanm: A. The link that op shared in the second comment of this post.
B. See my first comment below.
C. Most if not all commercial chargers are fast chargers. It's an available option. It's up to the user to use it or not. Not what we are discussing here.
Increasingly more chargers of that spec. Porsche, Hyundai and others are going the 800V path. The reason is, if you double the voltage you can halve the current. This has two advantages, the conductors (cables et al) can be smaller, therefore lighter. The other is, pushing high current into batteries isn't great, but voltage isn't a problem.
As for the problem of constant rapid charging, Tesla have some Model S company cars that have hit 400,000 miles, always on rapid chargers, and still have >80% pack capacity left. Not an issue.
The other is, pushing high current into batteries isn't great, but voltage isn't a problem.
Uhm, what? That's not how battery charging works.
You need a 800V DC ultra fast charger. So it is possible on paper but it will probably be a while until you see one of them.
Other manufacturers are going the 800V route, they'll be common soon.
Movement that inspires?
yea thats other OP pointed that out i didnt see that so it would be around 25min to charge to full with the 800V Ultra fast charger im guessing there arent too many of them around?
Even 25min isnt that bad ideally you want it to be around the 10-15min mark enough to stop go toilet and have a coffee on a long drive
Batteries tend to charge fastest around 50-70%, so it absolutely wouldn’t be 25min to charge 0-100%. Probably more like an hour.
that too long i reckon for EV to be widely adopted you need to get the charging down to 25min max
I recently did a 2400km roadtrip with the family in our Model 3 through regional NSW and Victoria. We were stopping roughly every 2 hours because the kids were getting grouchy as well as to top up the car. We were usually charging from about 40% up to 90% in about 15 minutes on fast chargers (Tesla, Chargefox and Evie). In all cases I had to go move the car because it was ready before the family was, so charge time wasn't really an issue for us. i.e. The presence of 800V charging would not be a big enough factor on its own to sway me to another car.
99% of the time we charge from home, and only every few days.
As pointed out by others, the biggest problem with this car is that there are only 500 of them coming to Australia this year. Thank the federal government for their leadership in cleaner transport. /s
I’m looking forward to the day there’s a queue at the filling station and each car in front of you is taking up to half an hour to charge its battery.
Most people will charge at home, so it's not going to be that frequent.
The challenge will be how will cost effective 'on the road' charging be implented when it will be so much cheaper to charge at home and the vast majority of trips occur within the standard range of EV's.
I. E the usage of a 'charging station' vs a 'petrol station' will be as low as 5% of the current volume of petrol sales. How will they make money?
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Nice looking car with nice design and specs. If I was going to buy a EV, this would be top of my list.
Meh, who cares about Charing, I just want prices, We like to see prices. Bargains have prices. ® © ™
No use saying "yeah, I love it, I want one" if it's no different to other vehicles on the market but is tens of thousands of dollars more expensive.
As much as it will make me vomit and I will have to bathe in lighter fluid after saying this, but while they keep making vehicles that are more expensive than Tesla, they are just not going to steal any market share in the EV sector away.
If the EV6, Ionic 5 or Polestar are going to do any real damage, they need to aim for that price bracket between the MG EV and the Tesla Model 3, not above.
From $67,990 plus ORC ($82,990 plus ORC for GT-Line)
Strong demand overseas means only 500 examples of the EV6 Air and GT-Line will reach Australia in 2022 – with Kia Australia stating it "is in continuous dialogue with head office … with hopes of increasing [the number]" – with the allocation to be spread out across the year.
500 cars… yeesh
2022 Kia EV6 Australian pricing
EV6 Air RWD – $67,990
EV6 GT-Line RWD – $74,990
EV6 GT-Line AWD – $82,990
Note: All prices above exclude on-road costs.
i think most people would still go model 3 in this class
I hate Tesla, and I would still go Tesla with these EV6 prices…
one of the things tesla has done is that they made it mainstream
its not like i want to associate with 'tesla types' but it is comforting to know that there are people out there who own them and the knowledge base is very very deep
people know their cars are made in china, they have this weakness, that strength and if you have a question, they can answer it…
you wanna be the only one out there with an EV6? hey its your $67k
Agreed, Can't stand Tesla or Elon but they are much better value than the EV6 unfortunately
Was excited to see alternative but I agree.
I'd stick with the Model 3 with those prices.
Model 3 is at least tested, continuously revised and tracked in global conditions for well over a year. And the driveline and software is all based on the Model S, etc. So even if you don't trust Tesla production QA, the engineering and design aspects of reliability are pretty refined now.
The EV6 is the first of its type, so everything is at alpha stage by comparison. Maybe beta, but that depends on the time they invest in QA. Not knowing any better, I'd imagine (that unless Kia demonstrate otherwise), that the first 500 can be called initial production and can be treated as such publicly, if they prove bad or unreliable. In this case, customers will spend all their time fighting faults, over the air changes, dealer instructions, secrecy, groupthink, and ineptitude.
Would definitely pay to wait for each of the core components to be tested. Especially the software, and way they maintain it, as well as the car, in the field. And I say that knowing full well that Kia are, as far as ICE manufacturers go, a pretty good one.
Past performance suggests battery problems as well as other extraordinary usage oddities, even if the design, engineering, production and approval processes of the entire production run are near perfect.
The elephant in the room is more around the microphones, like Alexa will they be recording every conversation? And what about the camera, GPS, and other sensor feeds? What will they be collecting to check if the vehicle is abused, damaged, molested, AD causes a collision, and/or otherwise claim the product is without flaw when problems arise? And who will have access to this data, apart from our data providers, other third parties, the Au gov, Kr gov, Chinese gov, etc.? Will consumers need to be more, or just similarly concerned about what they say and do in their shiny new EV6 Air/Road Surveillance Ships?
Thats seriously expensive
Not only overpriced, it looks very much like one of their ICE platforms just converted to an EV, rather than being designed as an EV from the ground up.
A lot of legacy makers are doing this in a belated attempt to say "me too" with EVs. But it is always a compromise on the layout (eg still have a transmission tunnel, weight distribution less than optimal, wasted space at the front for a radiator grille, etc). They are just gonna get creamed over the next half decade by the Chinese and Tesla.
It's not an ICE carry-over, unlike say, the Polestar 2.
The E-GMP – the Electric Global Modular Platform – opens up a new era for Hyundai Motor Group, pioneering the development of electric vehicles (EV). This dedicated platform is made especially for EVs. It comprises the chassis of the vehicle including the battery, motor and power electric system, and its scalable wheelbase allows it to form the backbone of many different types of vehicle.
You seriously think a Tesla doesn’t look pretty much like any other car? Sure, the X has stupid doors and they might have a little frunk but still have a centre console which might as well be a transmission tunnel.
All cars are basically looking like cars - with minor differences. No EVs are that much different. IMO Tesla design is pretty bland. There’s nothin special about it, I think the EV6 looks more modern from the outside at least.
@Euphemistic: I was looking at new cars and was close to ordering a model 3 just to get in on the trend and have something different, but there's one angle of the model 3 where I just can't get past how shit it looks.
I'm still considering one in the future, but maybe 5 years or so.. still wanting to scratch the v8 mustang itch…
Way too expensive - I'm not a Tesla fan, especially of the Model 3 aka the one that looks like a shoe but I'd go a Model 3 over the EV6 any day on price alone….
Nah, people actually prefer cars with high centres of gravity, even though they handle like ships and roll-over when they hit gutters, soft edges and other vehicles.
It's this vs Model X, and a lot of people will like the differences they see and ignore the ones they don't
So you reckon they make about 10k+20k worldwide a year? Seems like a low amount for a huge car maker.
I'd definitely buy one.
I don't think the charging issue is as big of a deal as the OP makes out.
80% of trips around town are <20k's so will be fine for that.
As for the longer trips, the number of charging stations are rapidly popping up and if they're anything like tesla they'll map out your trip factoring in charging stations, lets be honest a 20 minute break would probably do us good and is only slightly longer than stopping at the petrol station.
Plus if the range is 400km, not many of us really want to drive more than 7-800km on a day more than once every few years. Even on annual holidays stopping for a decent lunch break shouldn’t be a game changer. Last family trip with big kms we did we stopped 3 times in a days driving, min 20min each stop.
Sure, someone will say ‘but I drive syd-melb every second weekend’. Fair enough EV is not for them for now, but for everyone else
What they need is modular batteries for trucks. Drive over a bay, get the battery swapped out in the time it takes to use a bathroom break/pick up some food. Get back in and go.
Idealistic but wont happen.
In theory you could swap over the whole battery module but it will require a lot of mechanical assistance; or you could swap over just one or two batteries and give you a short range upgrade. But swapping a few batteries will take about as long as a rapid charge and give you the same range anyway - hence its a bit pointless.
Not to mention that most batteries are different from car to car, so stocking 50 different battery options would be a nightmare!
but it has been considered - https://spectrum.ieee.org/ev-battery-swapping-how-is-this-a-… I guess it could work for commercial vehicles where a company has one type of vehicle and can afford its own replacement machinery etc
It’s good in theory. I think it’ll head more towards supercapacitors that can take bulk charge in seconds the trickle it to a battery. They could also slower charge from the grid and then dump to a vehicle in seconds.
I’d like to see a spare battery bay in a cheaper vehicle where you could hire a range extender battery for a holiday but only cart around enough battery for normal daily range. Ie vehicle is designed to hold 600km range of batteries but has 3 battery bays and you can buy 1, 2 or 3 from the factory and leave 2 to power the house most of the time or hire a couple when needed.
@Euphemistic: They have these for the scooter (motorcycle type ones) in a trial in Indonesia and Japan. It's like those power bank lending systems where you remove either one or both of the batteries and swap them in a lease type system.
Oh damn, only the 3rd highest rated vehicle line and first placed mainstream maker, not like those quality and well designed/engineered Landrovers, Volkswagens and sh17box Teslas
the problem is you're comparing korean cars to cars that are actually cool
that goes a long way
i have owned hundai kia in the past but really, its going to be a long day before i ever even contemplate this brand again
i'm not based enough to go with a camry like most of the people here
further at a limited 500 cars its clear this is just an advertising exercise, not sure you want to be a part of that, like the polestar thing
They are definitely improving on their oat performance. The only Kia I’ve driven was horrid, but was also a base model rio loaner car while mine was in for service. I think that the current models are looking pretty sharp and would test drive IF they had a model in the bracket I was looking for - but they don’t at present.
So what you're saying is you base style and cache over quality and reliability.
Who says a Hyundai i30N isn't a cool car? beats anything in the same class from Europe and can be driven on a racetrack while under warranty, and without the brakes turning to mush. And it's cheaper for the OzBargainer in all of us.
And with the 500 vehicles thing, while ScoalMo is in charge there will be no incentive for the head offices in Korea to care about prioritising EVs to the Australian market, much more profits from those fat cats in Brussels mandating CO caps on vehicle fleets or percentage regulations and incentives on new EVs sold.
The only reason Tesla sells so many EVs is cause that's their only car line, but the Kias will all come with brakes guaranteed
@Brian McGee: well yeah
are we buying fridges here?
lets put it this way… the chinese could build the greatest car the world has ever seen and lets see how this forum takes to it
i do understand where you are coming from… the best car regardless of brand and prestige should win… and it should
but is that that how consumer tastes operate?
further you say the LNP are against EVs… fair enough, true
then how come tesla can sell here at all? in any number? if all the public really wants is diesel dual cabs??
I find it funny people still think this way
You said "think" - that's the problem.
There are entire brands and businesses that rely on people thinking this way.
I know people that would buy a base model Euro over anything else just for the badge.
It used to confuse me but now I realise there are many types of consumers and people who value the brand over features and reliability are just one of them.
Ngl
They got the reliability without the flashiness down pat first and now they're going for the features.
Shame that euro vehicles didn't have the same approach
And I think they're probably one of the best value options out there at the moment
I still reckon we are about 7-10 years away from EV's really making any decent headroom in the market. My next car will be petrol but the one after that will no doubt be EV. This particular car is limited to 500 builds so its barely lip service to the Aussie EV market.
most major brands declared to stop making ICE starting from 2025 - 2030
but I doubt it will happen in Australia. We still have the land cruiser 79 series selling
And the Ford Ranger/Toyota Hiluxes are selling like hotcakes thanks to the government's instant write off tax incentives for businesses.
And this is why we've become a dumping ground for overpriced ICE vehicles.
You stopped to think and ask OzBargainers.
Now its too late.
The next two years of KIA EV6s allocated to Australia are already sold.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/kia-ev6-electric-car-sold-out-…
I keep telling people that the best way to get more Australians into EVs isn't to increase demand for them by subsidising them with taxpayers funds - there aren't enough EVs available to meet demand - but to use those taxpayer funds to increase the supply of them by helping the Australian companies that mine and refine lithium for EV batteries, and maybe even build a factory to build batteries to go into electric trucks and buses that could be assembled here.
I just want them to bring out a poverty pack, 200km range, budget, daily runabout for the same price as a corolla.
this wont happen
they know the developed world is against 'basic' low transaction cost cars and low km range cars
companies know they are laughed out of the market if they make a mere "200km" car
want to sell here? an RHD Ford Maverick hybrid for $30,000 would sell up a storm
Unfortunately the marketing departments have brainwashed us into thinking we need 500km if range, fact touchscreen operated electric glove box and a photochromic sunroof. We don’t. We need air conditioning, anti lock brakes and a drive system capable of doing the shopping run and kids sport on the way home from work then recharge each night.
We’ve still got ICE vehicles to tow cars and and go down the coast for holidays or 600km to see family for the weekend.
So many families have a big suv plus a compact hatch for round town.
They're close. You can buy a hybrid Corolla here in Australia "for the price of a Corolla". And Toyota sells a plug in version of it in China. Its not a big upgrade to turn a hybrid into a plug in hybrid, you just have to add the charging electronics. Its rather harder to stretch the range of the battery pack from the present 62 km out to 200 km. There's plenty of technologies potentially able to double the capacity of lithium batteries, but they are still be proven.
surely you are replacing the 'alternator' stuff (such as it is) with the AC/DC whatever charging stuff
i dont think they really find it to be any technical challenge, its just that they make too much money from petrol so why bother
It’s not hard to stretch out the range from 62 to 200 if you take out the ICE and all associated bits.
I tried to change my post to say that, but someone had already replied, so I couldn't.
What I wanted to add to my post is that its easy to fit in enough batteries to increase the range to 200 km if you take out the petrol engine. But anyone trying to sell an EV with only 200 km would be laughed out the door. It would have to be really cheap. And re-engineering the Corolla to stretch that further would push the price up to way more than a Corolla.
to fit in enough batteries
And that will cost how much?????
Plus all electronics needed to make it work as per current vehicle regulations. Good luck trying to get the EV sticker for your rego.
A great idea but aren't saving much cash.
@GordonD: That’s the thing. If it was cheap enough and people could actually see that they hardly ever do more than 200km/day and start each day with a full tank of fuel it would sell.
Plenty of EV enthusiasts with conversions or older Nissan Leafs (and others) with a range of under 200. they manage well and never have to visit a fuel (charge) station unlike us ICE drivers that have to go out of our way to get fuel regularly. Those that recognise that a cheap city EV is cheaper to run and better for the environment would take it up quickly.
@Euphemistic: Yeah certainly for a while I see it being that you have an EV city car, then the big hybrid SUV for country trips etc
Once EV shows it can tow/go off-road /handle different environments, then you'll see the bigger EV SUVs (imo)
@spackbace: i think there’s too many of us with the dream to venture outback etc. The reality is they drive up the coast a couple of times a year on the major highways where charging infrastructure is pretty good today and only getting better.
The Rivian shows what can work in the SUV, tow and off road arena, just need more like it and have it available locally at a reasonable price.
@Euphemistic: Europe allows cheap cars on the road. And, as you point out, they are popular with people with limited needs. I would personally be happy with one myself. But the fact is Australia doesn't allow them on the roads here. Here there is one safety standard that applies to all vehicles whether they are cheap, expensive, slow or super fast. By the time you engineer a car to meet all the crash safety rules, and have all the gee-whiz safety gee-gaws, you can't sell it cheap and make money. So manufacturer after manufacturer are walking away from the smallest cars in the range. You can't buy a Jazz any longer in Australia. Or a Yaris. Or a Fiesta. And anyone trying to sell a EV here that's cheap because it doesn't have much range still has to meet all the crash safety and safety gimmick rules finds that they can't. It ends up being nearly as expensive as something that's a lot better. Because they only place they can save money is by putting less batteries in it. The experts, the safety nazis, the people who think safety is a lot more important than everyone else does, have decided that everyone needs, and needs to pay for, lane departure detection and automatic emergency braking and rear cross traffic detection and all the other crap that costs just as much to put in a low cost car as an expensive one. There aren't any cheap cars in Australia any longer.
@GordonD: You can still build them cheapER by not including all the luxury stuff. Mechanical seats without heating, budget stereo, no fancy auto doors or tailgates, cheaper plastics and materials etc. still build in the safety stuff and structure but strip out all the stuff you don’t need. Sure, it’s not going to be a 1980s poverty pack with one mirror and no radio but it’ll be cheaper. Then, don’t stuff so many batteries in for a big saving. 200km range will be sufficient for city cars.
it won't be cheap. Look at hyundai ioniq nissan leaf. They are low 200km range (real world) and slow but still a lot more expensive than a corolla.
The point of an EV is to save cost on having to pay for petrol.
But paying 80-90K for an EV defeats the purpose.
You are only buying an EV for convenience and get on the EV bandwagon.
I've sat in the EV6 at Fed Square and it does not justify a 80K car.
There are plenty of ICE cars in the 80-90k range.
But hey it's your money do what you want with it.
That's weird. I thought the point was to stop using ICE vehicles.
People need to be able to afford them before they will stop using ICE vehicles. Most people don't spend $75k plus on a new car
I guess they could just spend 60k on their car and pay the 5k a year in petrol and additional servicing costs. I guess that makes it cheaper.
People need to shift their thinking that on long trips you empty the battery to near zero and then charge to full with an EV like you would with an ICE.
Batteries are generally quick to charge to 80% and the last bit takes ages.
You'll find you will make plenty of short rest breaks to zap back to 80%, just as you normally would on a long trip. You'll still have your coffee and country bakery snot block stops, just that your car will be charging while you do it.
That's quick. Source?