BYD (Build Your Dreams) have launched in Australia recently.
Personally my father in law doesn't drive very much and wants something new and improved, thinking of buying him one of these.
Circa $45K drive away with seven year warranty with 50Kw/h battery claiming 350km range.
price your car here
tour of the showroom in sydney brand and cars
Don't worry Rektrading Ubers everywhere because sold all possessions and put it all on crypto, than takes 1% loan to live off so can avoid capital gains on price appreciation.
Obviously don't think too highly of your FIL
thinking of buying him one of these
Yeah, spending $45k on them shows nothing but disrespect.
Exactly, imagine the good stuff you could do and things you could buy with $45k.
Yeah, like 1 - 2% of a house.
eneloops?
47k OTR (VIC)
Nearly same in WA surprisingly
$47,931.54
A used $20,000 Camry or corolla will be more reliable.
Do they come with 7 year warranties?
No.
They come with 20y to 30y of reliability.
probably cost as much as the BYD just in fuel the way oil prices are going
@[Deactivated]: Na… I feel like people way overestimate fuel costs, to travel the average 15,000kms per year, in a car that averages 8L/100 @ fuel prices of $1.80 a litre average it costs $2160 per year.
Your fuel costs for your EV aren't free, which people seem to think when they get an EV (or are thinking about getting one) the same 15,000kms travelled in a model 3 (the most energy efficient EV I believe?), It would cost you $432 per year at an average cost of 22c/kWh (assuming you do 100% of charging at home and don't pay the much higher supercharger prices). So a $1728 saving per year in fuel costs… However I believe EV insurance is more expensive than a comparable ICE vehicle… So probably less than that in real terms.
Having solar generally won't make it much cheaper as most of us have day jobs and would be charging in the evening/nights.
I'm far from anti EV, I'd like to get one at some point, I am however pro facts.
They come with 20y to 30y of reliability.
Na… I feel like people way overestimate fuel costs, to travel the average 15,000kms per year, in a car that averages 8L/100 @ fuel prices of $1.80 a litre average it costs $2160 per year.
2,160 x 20 = 43,200
2,160 x 30 = 64,800
that is assuming that prices go back down to 1.80 per litre sometime soon, if ever. the lowest price of any petrol station close to me for unleaded 91 right now is 2.06 per litre.
i am not huge a fan of EVs (can't beat a V8), i don't own one and nor do i plan to own one in the near future, i was just poking fun. i would only consider an EV when they improve the tech, specifically the range.
@[Deactivated]: Well, technically you probably should have done the difference X by the number of years,
$1728 X 20 = $34,560
But yeah I get your point, in the very long run (or if you do really high kms) the EV probably does work out cheaper.
It's a large upfront cost though, and if you really wanted to get into the Nitty gritty you could say, ok 20k upfront minus 45k upfront for the EV, let's stick the 25k difference into an index fund for 20 years and pay for the petrol in the meantime and see who comes out Infront…
But who's going to do that :)
@Binchicken22: Oh wow. Never thought about insurance.
Currently driving a V8 (ISF) and pay $1200 per year on insurance. So decided to check out the Tesla M3P. Same details sees the same company wants $3400 for insurance (and $3000 for the base model 3). So much for being cheaper to run an EV!!!
@x d: Maybe shop around. We are paying under $800 a year for model 3 long range and $1200 for another electric car. Some insurance companies just don't know much about electric vehicles yet.
@randysal: This, half the insurers won't insure mine, but if you shop around you'll find someone who does at a reasonable (ICE comparable) price. I'm paying only $650 or so for comp
@randysal: Really? Mind sharing the company?
$800 for comprehensive for an expensive high tech car is too good to believe. I have read somewhere how much it cost to repair the panels on a Tesla.
@x d: It is pretty good and surprisingly with NRMA (I expected them to be expensive) it is $780 for full comprehensive I think, and we always choose highest excess. Tesla is not as expensive to repair as other cars. Part prices are reasonable, design is very good.
The other car is insured with Allianz.
even a $2000 one :D
$2750-$3000 OTR(sort of*)
According to?
Ozb
So no one that has actually bought let alone driven one…
Put it up against the market leader and then we can talk.
Why?
People seem to act like EV buyers are a single type of person with a consistent set of requirements, therefore you need to compare every option against the most commonly sold EV (regardless of why it's in that position). What I look for in an EV is certainly not met by Tesla. Other manufacturer's offerings come closer. What people should compare an EV against is their requirements, not a single manufacturer's vehicle(s) as if they are the pinnacle of EV achievement.
A used $20,000 Camry or corolla will be more reliable.
Is it electric? An EV?
Will it? An $20k Toyota has a lot more components to go wrong than an EV.
i'm putting it to you that a base $25k Corolla will be miles less glitchy and wont leave you stranded unlike a brand new 1st gen China EV w/ wonky China software on it…
Toyota have been perfecting the mousetrap since WW2 so… I think China was getting attacked by them in WW2…
Granted the Corolla is a Cessna 152 vs. a veritable F35 Lightning as far as sophistication goes…
@tonyjzx: If guess now everything is so software driven it’s a whole different type of glitch. Much harder to replace parts too.
@tonyjzx: That's what they say about every new tech, but ask anyone who has a Nissan Leaf and there are near zero reliability issues, and that with almost no servicing. Toyotas are reliable (mine is 21 years old and runs like a swiss watch) but it's apples and oranges, the Toyota needs a slew of consumables to keep it going like any ICE car.
Still waiting for a 7 seater Model Y. Starting to think they will never get here. Maybe 2024 and beyond.
This BYD looks good though. Lots of great reviews on Youtube from Chinese users.
Berlin gigafactory just announced deliveries start in 2 weeks, meaning China no longer needs to supply Europe. Australian ordering will probably start this month
That's good news. Fingers crossed.
My parents grew up during "Japanese cars are crap, buy good American/Australian/European ones". I grew up through "Korean cars are crap, buy good Japanese/Australian/European ones". This generation is "Chinese cars are crap, buy good Korean/Japanese ones". But reviews have been great, they're far more established making electric vehicles than most traditional car makers and they're meeting foreign testing requirements easily.
They are bringing decent quality at a low cost the same way they have for everything, low salaries, mass production and no overbuilt management structures. It has nothing to do with the cars having something wrong with them. Electric motors are much simpler than petrol ones, really it's who can get the battery tech the cheapest. And considering even Tesla is looking to buy batteries from BYD this year, it seems they've got it figured out.
its not the motors you need to worry about.
batteries are what makes or breaks an EV.
Their battery warranty is 8 years.
8 years 160k km. I bet 80% or people here don't even keep their car that long
BYD blade battery tech is getting decent reviews around the automotive world. Personally, I am worried about ride quality, cabin upholstery, etc… in the lesser-known brands in Australian conditions.
I was giving it serious consideration buying one of these. I like the look of the car and it sounds like it's reliable. Price is also very fair and backed by a 7 year warranty. My concern is look at what is going on in Russia at the moment. China invading Taiwan could result in similar sanctions that have been imposed on Russia. The warranty may be useless if you can't get parts because of trade sanctions. Sadly I think this will happen so will be giving this vehicle or any Chinese vehicle a wide berth at this stage.
Agree completely. You'd be as much want to be seen in a BYD car as you would in a LADA if China does something really bad like what the Russians have done recently.
Hey op it’s me your FIL
Personally my father in law doesn't drive very much
How many kilometres a year? Is it long distance?
If it is one day a month might be cheaper joining car share scheme.
he has a small hyundai hatch which we bought him 4 years ago.. and is clicking over 30,000 km.
typical of his age and sentiment.. he likes to own things rather than loan them… boomer generation where the focus was to paying tuition for his kids and paying off the mortgage as quick as he could and being ultra frugal. time for him to enjoy some fruits of his hardwork over the years,
he has a small hyundai hatch which we bought him 4 years ago.. and is clicking over 30,000 km.
Is Hyundai out of warranty?
He drives like 7000kms a year. Probably a Kia Piccanto with a 7 year warranty for $20k.
no it has a 5 year warranty…
he wants something with a little higher riding position but also something that's not boring for him to enjoy.
more of an indulgence that also serves the function.
the little bit he does drive, it wont give us range anxiety whether he'll make it to his destination or not. or go a few days without charging.
he wants something with a little higher riding position but also something that's not boring for him to enjoy
Probably bad news. Depending on price he is willing to pay.
Higher riding position. Suzuki Ignis (cheapest options, it is considered an Ultra Compact SUV), or Yaris Cross, Hyundai Venue, Kia Seltos. Wouldn't call them fun cars.
Suzuki Ignis (cheapest options, it is considered an Ultra Compact SUV), or Yaris Cross, Hyundai Venue, Kia Seltos
not looking for a recommendation…but everyone of those cars are bat shit boring compared to this BYD.. with all the digital tech and and is also an EV
everyone of those cars are bat shit boring compared to this BYD
Yes boring. But then getting rich is also boring. It means socking away a good % of your money by giving up stuff and letting compounding do the work.
I am not sure about what kind of excitement your father in law is looking for. You might need to define that a little. If it is in car gadgets he is after?
Heart might be set on BYD EV. If he can afford it then why not. Sometimes heart just wants what it wants. Probably less viable for me as it will be a few more decades before I know I can afford anything in retirement.
@netjock: FIL is at an age where he should be enjoying his life… he has done his hard work, now we want him to enjoy…
the BYD is an EV which is relatively new tech at a reasonable price.. interior is quite different and looks good compared to normal ICE cars.
i could spend 45K on a toyota RAV4 but then compared to the BYD it just looks conventional.
tesla model 3 is pretty good. but on the inside it is relatively bland (design wise) the Ionic 5 is pretty cool but that's $70K
i like the BYD especially the new battery tech. i don't mind spending the $45K
i'd probably wait till i can test drive and there a few more real world tests before committing, maybe at the end of the year.
@Archi: You can pay a deposit and get a full refund, then when you test drive you can make a decision and not be waiting too long
There is so much racism towards cheap Chinese products, in particular vehicles.
I personally would not like to spend $45k on a BYD, not because it is from China but because it is a relatively new brand. When I'm in the market to purchase my next car in ~8 years the sentiment around BYD might be really positive. Right now it is just a bit of a gamble as the manufacturer hasn't had the time to build a reputation.
This isn't a race issue.
The best selling EV is made in 🇨🇳.
Owned and marketed by Americans.
relatively new brand
Warren Buffett invested in BYD 13 years ago.
I did not realise it had been around so long. That's still only a short while in the car industry. Tesla was established in the same year.
BYD (as distinct from its subsidiary BYD Auto) has been around for 27 years. They started out making batteries, so I’d trust their blade battery for EVs.
It has nothing to do with race. Even the Chinese in China are concerned about Chinese products. Is $45k really cheap though? It was supposed to be priced in the $30k range, but the price went up. Even that isn't cheap compared to Dacia's European offering, Renault in China.
"made in china" is like "genuine leather", it can be crap, or it can be great, but you just don't know. there are great chinese factories that produce quality products, like your new iphone, and there are terrible ones that produce terrible products.
people were originally sceptical of japanese and korean products too, but now japanese are considered the most reliable, though overpriced these days, which is why the koreans are overtaking them with the same quality at lower prices.
i think people should wait and see if it's actually a bad product or not before judging, not just basing their judgement on where it's made. personally, i would love to see china come out with an aggressive competitor, it will drive innovation from the japanese and koreans and we will see better cars at lower prices from all three countries as a result, then if you are still iffy about china, you can buy your japanese or korean car while your children grow up with the same opinion of chinese products that people these days have of japanese products.
everyone should be cheering china on, we will all benefit if they succeed (in the car department)
I'd be fine with a cheap Chinese electric car. I might be a little concerned about sourcing parts from a new player with little Australian presence, but if it was actually cheap, then it would be worth the risk. This is just another moderately expensive SUV. It has very little, good or bad, to distinguish itself from the others.
China makes everything from LSEVs (golf carts) for a few k to multi-million dollar hyper cars, and everything in between. What do they actually bring out though? Just another middle of the road SUV at a not particularly attractive price point, which for some reason has a really love or hate interior. The interior is especially surprising considering how conservative and normal it looks from the outside.
Germany used to make inferior quality junk before they got better too, and I have no doubt China would be perfectly capable of doing the same eventually. In some cases they might be there already.
That said, China has a history of being lazy when it comes to quality and safety. As recently as last year their PPE was substandard. They even killed their own children with poisoned baby formula trying to make a buck. That's where the reputation comes from, and it's not something Germany, Japan or Korea ever had to deal with. It's going to be a lot harder to live down than simply making low quality, but cheap products.
@[Deactivated]: it's cheap compared to other electric vehicles. from what i've seen, most of them start at around 60 thousand, so 45 thousand is quite cheap in comparison, especially when you factor in the rebates some states are offering.
plenty of countries have their dark periods of history, some factories are, as you mentioned, lazy when it comes to quality and safety, but others are not. the made in china teslas are supposedly much better quality than the american made ones, the american ones suffered from panel gaps and other signs of laziness and poor QC, while the chinese ones did not have the same issues.
the market really needs a shake up with all the old manufacturers raising prices higher and higher without raising the quality to justify the price raises.
@[Deactivated]: The MG ZS EV, also Chinese, is cheaper and available here. This car from BYD was initially teased at "well under $35k" and "500km range" so it's a bit of a disappointment at this price and spec. The BYD EA1 was also teased at under $30k, and 500km range, but I think it's clear neither of those will happen either.
The Dacia Spring (Renault KZ-E) is around $10-15k AUD in Europe, so expect it to be $25k here, if they ever bothered to come here.
So "from what you've seen" is not really representative of what's available. Just slotting in another moderately expensive electric SUV in tiny numbers is not going to shake up the Australian market.
@[Deactivated]: This Atto 3 is cynically priced too. They simply undercut the MG ZS EV by a few grand to get the headline of "cheapest EV in AU".
The quality argument is an old one, and I'll just remind everyone of automotive quality from other Communist states in times past. China has a record of tricky, "variable" quality where they may start well for review samples, but can quickly revise input costs or materials. These may go unnoticed for years, months or weeks. The litany of problems with dodgy metallurgical properties on many Chinese motorcycles is one example. Rusty under body components on Chery vehicles is another.
Many countries actually care about the reputation that accompanies their products. I'm yet to see that from China.
genuine leather is literally the worst grade of leather. similar to Grade A1 Beef.
@Antikythera: that's not true, of course if it's low priced then it's probably not good quality, but "genuine leather" is not a grade of leather.
https://nstarleather.wordpress.com/2018/05/31/the-grades-of-…
that guy is a leather worker, sells wholesale to other companies who put their brand on his stuff and direct to consumer (I own several wallets and a belt that he made) in case you were tempted to discredit it based on the fact that it's a wordpress. no one in the leather industry uses "genuine leather" to grade leather, it's about as useful as a carpenter going "hmm, yes, this wood is genuine wood"
https://nstarleather.wordpress.com/2017/05/16/genuine-leathe… more specific article about "genuine leather".
We have put down a deposit for one. Considering all the reviews and how big the company is, we are quite comfortable with going forward with the purchase.
We have a 2017 Subaru outback which has been a great car with the kids and travelling, but cost of petrol is getting annoying and we have a 9kwh solar system which could be used to charge up the car.
did you put a deposit at the showroom or online.?
Online. When things settle down, we will head up to Darlinghurst to inspect it in person. My only concern is that im tall at 190cm and wide and want to see how comfortable the front drivers seat is.
tall at 190cm and wide
Mitsubishi canter not so squeezy
BYD EV, Would You Consider Buying One?
Not if I could Broden them.
Another kind of expensive electric SUV. There's nothing about this one that makes it more desirable than the other kind of expensive electric SUVs already on the market, so no.
The only EV i'd consider at the moment is the base Tesla Model 3 for ~60k driveaway. Still too early though and it's a lot of money. Never been one to buy new cars anyway, too much to lose in depreciation so you wont be making any savings for at least 10 years by which time the battery will need replacing. I'll probably stick to second hand 'undesirable' ICE cars for a while yet. Very much over this SUV trend.. the BYD Han is nicely styled, might be worth a look if price is reasonable.
I'll buy the BYD Han if they offer it here in Aus - I like my sedans over SUV's and this is one sexy looking/quick car - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlZGk4xkLk8&list=WL&index=1
The first thing I'll do is de-badge it though
I'm going to buy one…
Not because it's electric. Not because of soaring oil/fuel prices. Not because it's better for the environment. Not because it's the cheapest new EV in Australia. Not because I get all the EV rebates in NSW. Not because I want an electric car. Not because of any valid reason I can think of…
No. I am going to buy one based on nothing more than the fact that it triggers people so badly that these vehicles even exist. :D AND I'm going to get a number plate to match.
So in short, you are going to buy it to piss ppl off.
I thought you love Teslas more though! ;)
Probably cheaper to hang a 'made in china' sign on your car for 2bux on ebay
Get it. Don't listen to all these racist haters
I wouldn’t rule it out, but current models don’t suit my need/wants. They also aren’t as cheap as initially marketed
BYD are a huge company currently a major supplier of BEV trucks and buses around the world. They seem to have some interesting options on the way and I’ll definitely consider them when I get serious about an EV purchase. The main concern for me is whether the Australian distributor is decent of not.
Will they stand by the product and give fair support after purchase? If there are reports of the bastardry inflicted by too many other current ICE brands this will be a key factor for me.
Would love an EV, no charger in my apartment complex and it seems using public ones aren't convenient ….
"BYD (Build Your Dreams)" but it can't build a modified S2000. So no.
Not even with overnight parts from Japan?
Put the uber app on his phone, tie it to your credit card or payment method. Done.
Far cheaper than buying a car that will need to be insured, registered etc.
I also think the BYD are still a very poor quality of car, I've been in many (Thailand you can get EVs from the Airport, they use BYD), fit and finish isn't great.
They're very overpriced (IMO) and if it were me would look at a petrol Mazda, Hyundai, Toyota etc and save yourself $20k for a car that will outlive BYD.
You're still stuck with insurance and rego costs, but if he's driving as little as you imply then fuel costs shouldn't be an issue.
The Mazda, Hyundai, Toyota route would be a huge amount safer too!!
Wheres the poll for "No, not interested in EVs at all."?
That option would be… don't click on the thread and absolutely don't make a comment.
That will save you time and effort.
No, because of the most ridiculous name… Really needs to be rebranded in AU with a much more suitable name. No one is building and dreams by owning this vehicle.
Cringe overload.
after reading the ridiculous claims of Mr Todd… 8 models and a top 5 brand by 2024, and being"overwhelmed by buyers" and that this is a "hotly anticipated brand" the cynic in me says this post is simply a part of the marketing campaign
Will wait and see long term real world results and not youtube shills.
Then Id go buy a used Kia EV6
I have a 10kw solar system and I’m home during the day.
Would this cover charge on a ev or would I still be paying electricity to charge it.
I'm sure it will cover the vast majority of your driving.
I reckon you could charge it purely on solar for around 5 hours a day. Which wouldn’t fully charge your car but enough to get you around a lot each and every day. Since you are home most days over the course of a few days it’ll be fully charged. My guesstimate
No, no and no.