Black BL2K16G32C16U4B
CL16-18-18-36 @ 1.35V
If you haven't already heard, Crucial is dropping the entire Ballistix line so if you're after matching MHz/CL/RGB variants for existing sticks, get it soon: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/micron-discontinues-crucia…
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Out of stock everywhere for 6 months.
such an overstatement
first 3200 c16 vs 3600 c16 unoced has literally a 0% effect on gaming performance.
better yet its f'ing ballistix kits, they're all the same ic* just better binned, i assure you this kit can do 3600c16 with like 1.37v.
You are very wrong in any aspect. If you don't own the Rams yourself, at least read some reviews before posting a misleading comment like this.
And who said anything about gaming? You think pcs are meant for gaming only?
3200 c16 vs 3600 c16 unoced are indistinguishable in normal usage. Only in benchmarks will you see a difference.
The difference in theoretical Max bandwith is
For 3200 , 51200mb/s
For 3600 , 57600mb/s
Latency is also slightly better.
2x16 3200 c16 and 2x16 3600 c16 are both single rank rev b kits which oc the same only difference is binning. I own many kits of ballistix and know more about ram ocing than 99.99% of people on ozbargain. I run 4kc14 on 5600x stable 1.62v.
Clueless
@abjsdhasehasee: Latency is slightly better? lol, it is around 20% better. No difference for watching Youtube of course but these RAMs are not for that. We are talking rendering applications where time is money. And better binning means higher chance of stable overclock at higher clocks and tighter timings.
@Seraph2052: 12.5%*
ah, in rendering applications, you mean the ones that are best on ryzen?, where your limited to 3733/3800 c14 at best stable? something that both these kits could achieve?. If your buying ram to oc and care so much about slightly better subtimings which would barely affect performance. go buy yourself some b die.
I wonder how you oced your ballistix kits?
@abjsdhasehasee: Ballistix OC with Ryzen @ 3800 frequency. (with 1.45v, you could achieve CL14 with more excess voltage, risking chip degradation and over temperature instability)
On 3000C15 kit you should expect tCL16, tRCD 21
On 3200c16 kit you should expect tCL 16, tRCD 19 or 20
On 3600c16 kit you should expect tCL 16, tRCD 17 or 18
@abjsdhasehasee: You are somewhat right with a few misconception.
3200 c16 vs 3600 c16 unoced are indistinguishable in normal usage
There are some difference, mostly apparent in frame time consistency (in another word low 1% framerate), though it's not that noticeable (expecially on Intel platform, as Mem Clock is not tied with FCLK or infinity fabric). This is because auto timing is trash, especially on tFAW, tRC, tRFC. So you are right….. almost.
You'll get better result with 3600c16 if you tweak timing yourself. And also AMD will get better result with 3600 speed than 3200 speed almost regardless of timing(as long as timing is not ridiculous)
Latency is also slightly better.
which helps gaming load, it is a huge deal.
2x16 3200 c16 and 2x16 3600 c16 are both single rank rev b kits which oc the same only difference is binning.
Nope, No.1 they can be either dual rank RevE(8Gbit) or single rank RevB(16Gbit)
No.2 your own sentence contradict itself, "oc the same" and "difference is binning" means the complete opposite.
The binning of RevE or RevB is reasonably simple, the chip that does lower tRCD is the better chip, and tRCD plays a huge row in memory performance, as it is Row to Column delay. So if you treat memory storage as a Excel page, this latency determines how long of a delay is needed —— after seeking which row need to be accessed, before searching which column it need to be in. This delay is required in every memory access(AFAIK, I could be wrong). Lower tRCD is one of the biggest reason that Samsung B-Die is the king of DDR4 Memory overclocking.
so the TL;DR is:
Buy 3600c16 if you have the extra cash.
The slightly longer TL;DR is:
If you don't know how to OC other than enabling XMP, the 3600C16 will only be Slightly better than 3200C16.
If you DO know how to OC, 3600c16 have better binning, which allows your OC go longer way, maybe slightly higher clock, but definitely lower tRCD.
and the P.S.: single rank/dual rank is the luck of the draw, each batch is different to its own, if someone just ordered a kit and find out if its single or dual, you will likely to get the same if you order right after him/her.
@OMGJL: yes well my whole point was,
literally no kits nowadays are single rank rev e, bought like 5 kits myself and not one was rev e.
also I argued about this before but 1.45v is simply not the limit for 8gb rev e or 16gb rev b, its way higher than that. people daily 1.6v fine.
you can easily oc a 3200 c16 kit to 3600 c16
yea by ignoring the tRCD.
your are limited by your fclk limit / wheas to 3800/3733 c14 which both these kits could do with enough voltage
again by ignoring the tRCD. Just to put it out there c14 is not the limit factor here, the RAM IC's capability determines the lowest CL, though under normal conditions most RAM won't do any lower at this given frequency.
2 ticks of trcd is not worth $50
You never know how much money people have, just like you purchased 5 kits trying to get dual rank. The "worth" factor is by person themselves, one should never judge it. You can say "the amount of performance gain is not liner to the price gain" but computer industry never had liner price/performance ratio ever. People out there buy $1000 god tier B-Die, $50 is almost nothing comparing to that. It's only 1~2hr of salary for most, for the small extra performance to enjoy for the next 2 ~ 3 year is definitely not that bad.
literally no kits nowadays are single rank rev e
My 16Gx2 3200c16 ballistix ordered on 02/Jan/2022 is dual rank Rev E.
people daily 1.6v fine
I'd do that on Samsung B-Die any day, my personal recommendation of high-limit is 1.45v~1.49v for RevE/RevB, not much scaling above it and trash thermals too. Though I won't stop you if you want to have your own adventures.
3600 C16 was the real deal