Meat is a carcinogen (WHO)

[Deactivated] on 01/04/2022 - 13:31
Last edited 04/04/2022 - 07:36 by 2 other users

Is there a concerted attempt to discredit meat benefits and allege other illnesses to meat by food companies and sold out mainstream media?
For example, food companies can make potato chips for 10 cents and sell them for 5 dollars and it is shelf-stable.
Food companies can do monoculture and create fake meat and sell it for 10 times the profit once it reaches the scale.
What products can they make using meat and make 10 times more money and shelf-stable?
Do you believe in any of the medical dogmas like meat causes heart attacks?
Is there any person who doesn't eat any ultra-processed junk and eats the majority of his diet as meat has health issues?

I will say my personal story. When this meat is carcinogen news came I was eating meat weekly once and I was unhealthy. Later I removed ultra-processed junk from my diet and slowly increased the meat in my diet. Eventually eating almost daily now. And I am 20 kgs less weight and healthy as F.

Mod: WHO article for context

Poll Options

  • 61
    Meat is Carcinogenic
  • 517
    Meat is healthy
  • 23
    Eating meat will cause some health problems
  • 118
    Eat less meat to save the planet
  • 20
    Don't eat meat, because I love animals
Food & Grocery

Comments

      • cookie2 on 01/04/2022 - 18:08

        Wait you lost 20kg? We'll that'd make anyone feel and actually be healthier (unless you were in a healthy weight range to begin with). Plants or meat, 20kg off will make you healthier than 20kg heavier.

        • [Deactivated] on 01/04/2022 - 19:47

          No not really. My fat percentage decreased a lot. And I can lift 2.6 times my weight in dead lift. Meat isn’t the only thing which caused it. But it isn’t bad as well.

          • cookie2 on 02/04/2022 - 18:30

            @[Deactivated]: Yes, it would. Plants or meat, 20kg off will make you healthier than 20kg heavier.

    • funnysht on 02/04/2022 - 09:10
      +1

      Also why do all these healthy habits and then ignore all the health advice about meat …sure there's no clear link…thats because there are so many risks associated with caancer…but 'probably carcingoenic' is pretty convicning.
      beyond reason imo.

      Also https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/general-info/kno…

      They list bitumen chloral cisplatin methyl azacitdine as '2A probably carcingoenic'.

  • EightImmortals on 01/04/2022 - 17:14
    +1

    By 2030 you will own nothing and you will be eating bugs and you will be happy.

    https://www.weforum.org/videos/21336-europe-has-approved-ins…

    • Gnostikos on 01/04/2022 - 19:02
      +1

      Is this the line to lose all of my sh*t and get a mouthful of roaches and locusts? F**k yeah, I'm gonna be so happy!

      Their quote about "2 billion people in the world eat insects regularly" is another load of doubleplusungood Schwabian horsesh*t.

      Nowhere in the world do people rely on insects as a staple part of their diet nor derive a significant amount of their daily calories from them.
      The economies-of-scale of farming insects and the cost-to-benefit ratio is nowhere near as profitable, seasonally reliable or calorie-dense as farming traditional livestock and crops.

      • EightImmortals on 01/04/2022 - 19:09
        +1

        You vill eat ze bugs and you vill be happy!
        If you do not eat ze bugs we haf vays of making you comply!

        • inasero on 06/04/2022 - 09:43
          +1

          Kind of reminds me of this video parodying the modern climate movement

  • freefall101 on 01/04/2022 - 17:42
    +9

    Later I removed ultra-processed junk from my diet and slowly increased the meat in my diet. Eventually eating almost daily now. And I am 20 kgs less weight and healthy as F.

    You should probably learn a bit more about what carcinogens are, you seem to be equating this with general health but it's an entirely different thing, carcinogens won't kill you overnight, they'll statistically increase the chances of developing certain cancers. It has absolutely nothing to do about how lean meat is better to eat than potato chips for general health and wellbeing.

    Also this was declared years ago, not sure why it's suddenly important to you now to be so outraged over it. It's a stock standard medical thing, it's classed as 2A and it probably is carcinogenic. Processed meats definitely have a relationship with higher levels of colorectal cancer, societies that eat processed meat causes that, it stands out like dogs balls that people who eat it a lot and societies where it's common have higher levels. Does this mean you have to give up salami? Of course not, it just lets you make an informed decision.

    I don't understand why people get angry at science. They're simple medical classifications, not a global conspiracy to make us vegetarians. You can do whatever you want with this information.

    • [Deactivated] on 01/04/2022 - 18:43
      +8

      Could've stopped at 'you should probably learn' tbh

  • cookie2 on 01/04/2022 - 17:48

    Can't answer with the poll as I agree with multiple answers.

  • ozhunter on 01/04/2022 - 18:48

    Red meat was classified as Group 2A, probably carcinogenic to humans. They aren't even sure…

    Also surprised by the poll results.

    • Gnostikos on 01/04/2022 - 19:03

      Also WHO: it's a deadly virus… probably.

    • funnysht on 02/04/2022 - 09:09
      +1

      So if someone gave you an item to eat and said probably carcingoenic. Would you eat it?

  • AustriaBargain on 01/04/2022 - 19:00

    I don't think anyone believes eating a lot of red meat every day is "good" for you. We aren't lions.

    • [Deactivated] on 01/04/2022 - 22:31
      +1

      Nah the real benefits are to be found in Elk meat. 😂

  • Mechz on 01/04/2022 - 19:01

    (WHO) gives a shit?

  • greatlamp on 01/04/2022 - 19:03
    +4

    There's no need for scare campaigns to put you off meat, it will become unaffordable for you in the near future anyway.

    I don't think there is a concerted attempt to discredit meat, however

    Vegetables in Australia are poor quality on average. You shouldn't need to buy 'organic' vegetables to get stuff that is actually ripe when picked. Considering we are an agricultural nation, it's laughable.

    Grains, bread, rice and more grains! I was looking up a low GI diet to help a friend lose weight. How can pasta and rice noodles be named as good choices for a low gi diet. Humans evolved to eat fruit, nuts and meat. We did not evolve to eat grains, yet it's always a 'staple' of "recommended" diets.

    https://www.ndss.com.au/about-diabetes/resources/find-a-reso…

  • Raj09 on 01/04/2022 - 19:21
    +1

    I agree. I stopped meat years back and I'm seeing benefits. More energy less bouts of sickness. It is not meat which is bad. It is how the animals are raised and what they eat. This in turn will affect you.

  • Ciderfizz44 on 01/04/2022 - 19:28

    April fools? Get a steak in ya

  • s1Lence on 01/04/2022 - 19:49
    +2

    i cant believe how idiotic some of the comments here are, more logical fallacies than i can count

  • Deals For Days on 01/04/2022 - 20:35

    People are welcome to explain away whatever results peer reviewed studies come out with as agenda this and agenda that. But I would think that if this were some grand vegan agenda they wouldn't specify red meat vs. white meat, but they do… because specifically red meat and processed meat are what the studies are concerned with.

    Like anything, generally the rule is 'in moderation' and as people say 'balanced diet'. If you're fit and healthy these studies probably aren't very relevant for you - they're relevant for public health in that they can help account for the costs of people whose diets comprise solely processed meats from fast food and such.

    I personally am on a plant based diet, really don't notice any difference in my health. For some people maybe plant based foods aren't great for them and that's fine. But I don't really see the point in asking a question about whether you 'believe' meat is a carcinogen when a) your concern really seems to be about some anti-meat conspiracy (lol) and b) you don't seem interested in other people's opinions anyway.

  • randomusername2017 on 01/04/2022 - 20:58

    How did your last experiment go?

    Hope you have as much fun beating the meat 👍

    • [Deactivated] on 01/04/2022 - 21:00

      No luck yet
      I love meat. Almost orgasmic level

  • Benoffie on 01/04/2022 - 21:37
    -3

    I ate a wonderful eye fillet tonight.

    The WHO can go jump. Is anyone listening to it after the COVID fiasco? I don't think so.

    • GrueHunter on 01/04/2022 - 22:59
      +4

      man you sure showed them you total bada5s /s

      • Benoffie on 02/04/2022 - 09:21

        You folk must be great at parties 🤨

        • GrueHunter on 03/04/2022 - 11:18

          At your next party you can tell everybody about how the left is trying to cancel you

  • Mrgreenz on 01/04/2022 - 22:09

    WHO?

    LOL

  • Cletus vandamme on 01/04/2022 - 22:56

    Fun fact carcinogens are carcinogenic.

  • amy8017 on 01/04/2022 - 23:24
    +14

    You’ve offered ‘Meat is carcinogenic’ as a poll option as though that’s an opinion. So are you saying that the World Health Organisation’s researchers determining that red meat is group 2A and processed meat is group 1 agenda driven and their data is incorrect? I’d love to know more about how you refute their studies. And what do you mean by ‘medical dogma’? What does healthy AF mean? How’s your cholesterol, blood pressure, fasting glucose, liver function?

    Don’t forget that in many cases, a carcinogenic substance doesn’t guarantee cancer. If you are not genetically predisposed and/or have other protective factors, you may never get cancer. It doesn’t mean meat is not carcinogenic. Same thing applies for things that increase your likelihood of heart disease. Nothing guarantees heart disease for every human.

    It seems like it doesn’t matter how robust or crappy a study is - you have a personal experience and as a result you will only accept information that reinforces your position, and all else is 'dogma' or biased. This applies to most people, including me. I think it’s really sad that we’ve come to a place where there is no clarity on what is true. Many studies are flawed, agenda driven and have been disproven, and now we have a free pass not to believe any study we don't like the results of.

    I personally make an effort to identify whether studies are long term, large, and robust, and pay special attention to meta-analyses. And consider economic agendas. But I’m human and I’m biased and suffer from cognitive dissonance like most people. I trust that researchers are smarter than me, and know I’m not objectively correct in what I believe.

    All I’ll say is that I’ve read all the information I need to
    - refute the theory that eating animals is natural or necessary for humans based on evolution or physiology
    - understand that complete nutrition is possible and actually easy on a vegan diet
    - believe that eating animals/dairy is immoral, unethical and destructive to the environment
    - know vegetarianism/veganism is better for your health and significantly reduces saturated and overall fat intake.

    When I used to eat meat (as part of a varied diet with plenty of veg and whole grains, no fast food whatsoever, and regular exercise), I was depressed, felt crappy physically, overweight, had painful joints, low iron, high cholesterol and was pre-diabetic.

    I’ve had no red meat for nearly two years, stopped eating chicken two months ago and reduced dairy more recently with the long term goal of going vegan. According to a recent blood test my inflammation markers are at a healthy level, my iron is higher than it’s ever been, LDL cholesterol is down, no signs of insulin resistance, my joints are fine, I’m the lightest weight I’ve been in 20 years without restricting calories or doing heaps of exercise, and I feel great mentally and physically. I have a medical condition and the symptoms are markedly improving.

    But I, like you, am a sample of one.

    It’s pointless to say the studies or theories that informed my behaviour are better than yours, because we just won’t agree. But I do think that there are plenty of people who eat meat simply because it’s culturally what they’ve always done, and it tastes good, and it doesn’t matter how true any research is about health, they won’t want to accept anything that challenges the worldview. The vast majority of the people in my life are meat eaters, but I would struggle to identify any who’d be willing to kill the animal themselves if they had to, just because it tastes good.

    • Fobsessive on 01/04/2022 - 23:36

      This is a fantastic reply and I glad you are doing so well!!

    • Raj09 on 02/04/2022 - 00:01
      +5

      Love it. Yep. I was also a meat eater and had similar problems with pre diabetic scares.

      I dropped meat two years back and occasionally have chicken. I'm dropping that as well with leaving dairy since two weeks.

      I feel good and know I'll feel better. My blood sugar levels are no longer a concern and my weight has dropped. No more back pains are also a plus.

      Everyone knows what they like. It's good though to let them know what they could be missing out on

      • Gekov on 03/04/2022 - 12:19

        "I'm dropping that as well with leaving dairy since two weeks."

        So what will you put in your coffee?

        For me, there is no acceptable substitute for full cream milk, and I've tried them all - none are anywhere near as good.

        • Raj09 on 03/04/2022 - 18:09

          I'm trying slim milk and almond milk in the future. I always had full cream milk as well and I'm not sure how the transition will go either, 😊

    • funnysht on 02/04/2022 - 09:04
      +3

      Great response. I personally have been eating half as much meat I use to- 3 days a week vege. And non processed meat. I feel much better and my pre diabetes have resolved.

      Problem with meat and cancer risk and to do studies on it is the long lead in time…therefore usually regular consumption of meat can take decades for effects to be seen. And cancer is associated with so many risks so it is very difficult to pin point how much the exact risk is. So like OP here they feel great now but then long term who would know.

    • funnysht on 02/04/2022 - 08:58
      +1

      Agree. Less meat and definitely avoid processed meat

  • Raj09 on 01/04/2022 - 23:56
    +2

    What's with the comments and down votes?

    He's got a point. Yes people were eating meat before. Yes men have evolved a lot from eating meat.

    However, the industrialisation of animal meat production is harmful. We do not feed grains to these animals but waste products and even other meats. That's also a fact. How do you think mad cow disease started?

    So if you do eat meat you bear the risk of cancer similar to cigarette smoking or any other activity. That's a fact. Eating vegetables or plants reduces that risk. Now if you still want to quote endless research and obscure science saying otherwise you are missing the point. It's not only the meat it's how the meat is produced. True there is a risk in vegetables as well. But it's a lesser risk

    Again you won't ask that question or you won't look for these arguments when you have a metastasised cancer in you. I lost family recentlt from the big c so I know what it is.

    • reactor-au on 02/04/2022 - 09:10
      +1

      Yep can definitely agree to that, a lot of unnatural stuff goes into it.

      • Raj09 on 02/04/2022 - 13:40

        True that brother 😊👍🏾

  • hueylewis on 02/04/2022 - 07:20
    -1

    once w.h.o. is invoked, or any part of the corrupted united nations, you can safely chuck the premise in the trash bin.

  • [Deactivated] on 02/04/2022 - 08:06
    +1

    Do you believe in any of the medical dogmas like meat causes heart attacks?

    Posts like this one cause heart attacks

  • ozboygsl on 02/04/2022 - 08:08
    +1

    I love animals…especially the tasty ones. MMMMmm …B A C O N!!!

    • GrueHunter on 03/04/2022 - 10:55

      This is HILARIOUS! I've never, EVER seen anybody make this exact same comment in every single post about meat!

      You should fax this to Kev and Kim so they can take a blurry pic on their $19 Woolies Nokia flip phone and upload it to Facebook! Make sure they write something like "so true!?!! tellign it lik it is?1!" so we know how awesome they think you are too!

  • garddn on 02/04/2022 - 08:22
    +2

    There is a concerted effort to demonise meat.

    You will live in a pod, eat bugs, meat will be a treat, you'll own nothing, and be happy.

    Meat consumption will be taxed to the max due to climate change paranoia.

    • GrueHunter on 03/04/2022 - 10:58

      Meat is exempt from GST.

      Producers and buyers set the price in a free unregulated market.

      WHO didn't say meat causes cancer. WHO didn't say anything about white meat or fish. WHO didn't tell anybody to stop eating meat.

      Cool theory tho bro, THEY are definitely out to get you, stay vigilant

  • MontyMacaw on 02/04/2022 - 08:30
    +1

    Oh FFS! Really?

  • funnysht on 02/04/2022 - 08:49
    +4

    Honestly good to take everything with a grain of salt but there have been many studies done and red meat is linked with colon cancer.

    That been said….meat industry is huge in Australia so is the milk industry. So myself and ppl I talk to try to cut back on meat consumption- health industry . Ever see why japanese have a long life span- their diet consists of legumes and fish. Less meat.

    In the end I think if you can't cut meat out ..in moderation. Cochrane reviews are the go to of all research. A simple search yielded this https://www.cochranelibrary.com/content?templateType=related…

    So yes in moderation is better imo. Lot of users are just laughing 'i love bacon' etc. I'm not sure if they're joking or not but in the end it's their life. What's the point of exercising not smoking when you're eating meat daily. I notee you've lost weight on that diet though it could be just you're eating less processed fast food. But meat etc are linked also to diabetes.

    I guess make your own informed decision in consultation with your health professional

  • reactor-au on 02/04/2022 - 09:07

    Balanced diet ftw.
    Funny enough I was wondering this week whether only bacon is carcinogenic or all pork.

    • saltypete on 02/04/2022 - 10:25
      +1

      I think that the cured meats are supposed to be bad So ham, bacon etc.
      Pork gets a bad rap because it tends to be an ‘eat all’ in less developed countries.
      (As opposed to the strict rules here where they eat all, including any pharmaceutical that makes ‘em get fat faster….) 🤠

  • ootnat on 02/04/2022 - 09:12
    +1

    These two Kurzgesagt (In a Nutshell) videos are clear, balanced, and well-cited. Each has a few million views:
    Why Meat is the Best Worst Thing In the World: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxvQPzrg2Wg
    Is Meat Really That Bad? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Hq8eVOMHs

  • funnysht on 02/04/2022 - 09:15

    Also why do all these healthy habits and then ignore all the health advice about meat 'probably carcingoenic' is pretty convicning.

    Also https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/general-info/kno…

    They list bitumen chloral cisplatin methyl azacitdine as '2A probably carcingoenic'.

  • DiscoJango on 02/04/2022 - 09:27

    real food is bad!

    eat this highly processed fake meat with heaps of random chemicals instead, its good for you!!!

  • figarow on 02/04/2022 - 09:41

    Is there a concerted attempt to discredit meat

    Yes for a long time and it's getting worse. The new world order would have you eating bugs.
    Meat is the most heathy thing you eat. Make bone broths and consume fat. Your body craves it.

    • Gekov on 02/04/2022 - 16:33
      +1

      "Meat is the most heathy thing you eat."

      And it's likely the single most important item in our diets responsible for humans developing large brains.

      Vegans: The Epitome of Malnourishment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybn93490tvk&feature=youtu.be

      Vegan: “You don't need that much protein, trust me”

      Do Vegetarians and Vegans Live Longer Than Meat Eaters? The healthy user bias.
      This has been repeated so often that it’s accepted as gospel—both within plant-based diet communities and amongst the general public. But is it really true?
      While early studies did suggest a survival advantage for vegetarians and vegans, more recent and much higher-quality evidence has found no difference in lifespan between omnivores and vegetarians and vegans.
      There’s No Real Evidence That Vegetarians and Vegans Live Longer Than Meat Eaters
      Here’s what we can conclude based on the existing research:
      • While the average vegetarian may live longer than a “SAD omnivore,” there is no evidence that they live longer than more health-conscious omnivores.
      • Studies showing health benefits of vegetarian diets are highly susceptible to the healthy-user bias, and their findings are not generalizable to the wider population.
      • Diet and lifestyle factors such as exercise, alcohol intake, smoking, BMI, sleep, and fruit and vegetable consumption play a strong role in predicting lifespan independently of whether meat or animal products are consumed.

  • Waltervp on 02/04/2022 - 09:54

    Itry eat smaller portions of meat. Cutting meat consumption is a good way to tackle the climate crisis. About 40 percent of greenhouse gases come from agriculture, deforestation and other land-use changes. Meat—particularly beef—drives climate change in two ways: first, through cows’ emission of methane and second, by destroying forests as they are converted to grazing land and stock feed. Even in the Amazon rain forests were changed into land for cattle to satisfy the global demand for beef. Even the unprocessed sewerage run off from cattle grazing is highly detrimental and a significant factor in river and ocean degradation/health. By eating less beef, we can start to decrease that demand. One burger less a week saves 1000 litres of fresh water on its own,… and we try reduce shower time and turn tap off whilst tooth brushing!

    • Gekov on 02/04/2022 - 16:40
      -1

      "Cutting meat consumption is a good way to tackle the climate crisis"

      ROTFLMAO

      If a climate crisis was declared, but nobody noticed, was there really a crisis at all?

      There’s nothing better than climate “science” with a confirmation bias attached, and a computer model predicting doom in 2100.
      THE NETZERO > MSM > POLITICS > POVERTY CAUSALITY LOOP
      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/04/01/friday-funny-netzero-…

      • GrueHunter on 03/04/2022 - 11:01
        +1

        You know I was skeptical about the points you were making but the ALL CAPS > MORE CAPS bit at the end plus reminding me about the MSM!?1! convinced me you totally aren't batsh1t insane, cheers

    • Gekov on 02/04/2022 - 16:42
      +2

      "Meat—particularly beef—drives climate change in two ways"

      So … have you shown REAL COMMITMNET to "saving the planet" by switching to an eco friendly insect diet yet? …. crickets …

      • Waltervp on 14/04/2022 - 09:13

        If only lol. I am just more concious of my food choice and get the smaller steak :) I'm not here to save the world, but I try my best sort of….

    • cookie2 on 02/04/2022 - 18:41

      Good on you for doing something you believe in and not just for yourself.

  • ajr5k on 02/04/2022 - 10:17
    +6

    Keep in mind the sort of advice that has come out of the WHO over the past few years…

    They are essentially a mouthpiece for various vested interest groups. These are the same guys who told you COVID wasn't transmissible by humans to other humans and praised China's efforts in controlling it while they let it spread around the world.

    It would be like taking Gerry's opinion as to whether you should purchase new furniture.

    • GrueHunter on 03/04/2022 - 11:02
      -1

      Who are the interest groups who want us to stop eating meat?

      Why is WHO attracted to their interests rather than, say, those of the meat lobby?

      If the interests of these mysterious parties get up, what does WHO gain?

      • Waltervp on 14/04/2022 - 09:21

        When people like Greenpeace, WWF, Landcare, Planet Ark,… decide to draw attention to the meat factor they stand to loose millions in funding from organisations that are affiliated with meat production and related. Unfortunately a lot of funding bodies, including government grants are heavily influenced by farmers and meat retail industries…. like the underworld gangs who have a much bigger hand in our everyday world than you would ever expect and have contacts in the least likely places from your local butcher, legal, police and medical professionals….

  • saltypete on 02/04/2022 - 10:19
    +1

    Poll didn’t have a how much. The emerging info seems to be that a meat each day diet is associated with increased cancer risk, and reducing the amount lessens the risk. Longevity is clearly associated with low red meat diets.
    By meat I mean red meat, unprocessed.
    The rest of the stuff is well known to be unhealthy, I.e. bacon, ham. And what’s in sausages is anyones guess.
    Given the postings here about issues with late night KFC orders and the like some perspective is also probably called for 🤷‍♂️

    For me, I have reduced the amount of red meat I eat, and instead go for quality - I have a really good quality steak every couple of weeks or so as I feel like.

    Do what you want, it’s a free country. And if with social drug intake, stress, crap Air quality and lazy lifestyles it makes your life shorter it’s sort of your own problem, not ours.

    Maybe just don’t kid yourself….

  • Japius on 02/04/2022 - 10:47
    +1

    Just get in the pod and drink your grasshopper juice

  • Hangryuman on 02/04/2022 - 11:25

    AFAIK it's not so much the red meat that is carcinogenic - unless you ate no fibre and the rotting meat sat and festered in your colon for too long

    my understanding is grilled meat can contain cancer-related acrylamides due to the scorching of the surface (Maillard reaction)

    but hey this mentions POTATO - OMG ! - https://www.foodstandards.gov.au/consumer/chemicals/acrylami…

    'The major food sources of acrylamide are French fries and potato chips; crackers, bread, and cookies; breakfast cereals; canned black olives; prune juice; and coffee …
    Decreasing cooking time to avoid heavy crisping or browning, blanching potatoes before frying, not storing potatoes in a refrigerator, and post-drying (drying in a hot air oven after frying) have been shown to decrease the acrylamide content of some foods' - https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/d…

    so there you go - potatoes are most at risk of acrylamide - but acrylamide is not proven to cause cancer …

    red meat not mentioned in either of those 2 gov sources …

  • Drakesy on 02/04/2022 - 11:43

    Can we just appreciate that the whole story behind meat being a great source of protein is a made up lobbyist marketing campaign.

    I mean you look at bulls, gorillas, kangaroos and they're all jacked and rely largely on plants

    Humans are omnivores yes, but meat is a somewhat inefficient way of synthesising protein and energy. Our body really is built to process plants first then meat. I'm not a vegetarian fwiw

    • [Deactivated] on 02/04/2022 - 12:28
      -2

      If you are not vegetarian, you should be a ruminant then. Only ruminants gut can ferment plants and make fat from that. Unfortunately we have to eat fat for survival. So meat is the best way to get nutrients which you won’t get in any other food and fat. Most of human history we weren’t doing agriculture. And you gather for some edible plants or hunt. 99% of animals are edible in wild. While 1% of plants are edible. Eating any plant means instant death. It’s up to you what you eat

      • GrueHunter on 03/04/2022 - 11:07
        +1

        Unfortunately we have to eat fat for survival.

        Damn, you're right. There definitely aren't any plants that contain abundant levels of fat.

        Canola? Imaginary.
        Olives? Fake news.
        Nuts? Leftist propaganda.
        Avocados? CCCP attack on freedum.

        Most of human history we weren’t doing agriculture.

        Most of human history we were also sh1tting in our hands and couldn't write.

        Wait, I just figured out why you're so keen for us to regress to the stone age! It's so you'll fit in!

  • Bigburper on 02/04/2022 - 11:48

    https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/9789240039483

    Download the "care" guideline and read page 28, carefully. Consider the "rationale" behind what they are proposing here.

    The WHO are entirely devoid of any ethics

    • Alderson on 02/04/2022 - 11:59
      +2

      What in particular do you have an issue with on page 28?

  • burns13 on 02/04/2022 - 12:58
    +1

    Meat is an unsustainable wasteful product. the amount we currently consume anyway. It makes sense to cut back at some point. Hopefully not in my lifetime 😋

    • Gekov on 02/04/2022 - 16:21
      +1

      "Meat is an unsustainable wasteful product."

      Leftie warmunist busybodies wanting to control other people's behaviour are an unsustainable, wasteful product.

      IN THEIR OWN WORDS …
      THE CLIMATE CHANGE SCAM IS JUST A RUSE FOR WORLD GOVT USING THE ALLEGED PERILS OF GLOBAL WARMING
      The environmentalist movement is not nearly as interested in the environment as it is in restructuring society.
      It’s just the start of central planning and control. This was openly admitted by politicians and lead UN IPCC officials

      ‘In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.’ Club of Rome,

      “Kyoto represents the first component of authentic global governance” French President Jacques Chirac

      ‘The future is to be [ONE] WORLD GOVERNMENT with central planning by the United Nations. Fear of environmental crises – whether real or not – is expected to lead to compliance.’ Former Washington State Democratic Governor Dixy Lee Ray

      ‘Our aim is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to change the global economic system… This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model, for the first time in human history.” In simpler terms, replace free enterprise, entrepreneurial capitalism with UN-controlled centralized, ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT and economic control.” UN Climate Chief Christiana Figueres

      ‘One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. “It is not. It is actually about how “we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth.’ IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer

      AOC’s chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti admitted that the Green New Deal was not conceived as an effort to deal with climate change, but instead a ‘how-do-you-change-the-entire economy thing’ – nothing more than a thinly veiled socialist takeover of the U.S. economy.

      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/03/24/can-we-trust-the-scie…

      • burns13 on 02/04/2022 - 19:59
        +4

        Too many red pills for you buddy! (or not enough)

        • GrueHunter on 03/04/2022 - 11:08
          +1

          Nobody tell him that WHO is hiding the truth from us about how drinking drain cleaner gives you super powers

  • Tommyaka on 02/04/2022 - 13:28
    +2

    The reality is balance is key. Consuming too much of anything isn't usually good for you. Heck even drinking too much water (in a small amount of time) can kill you.

  • clearance on 02/04/2022 - 14:09

    Like Bloomberg said, eat lentils. https://twitter.com/bopinion/status/1505292742993321993

  • kabammi on 02/04/2022 - 14:54
    +2

    The article doesn't say meat is a carcinogen. It says there is an association.

    It's epidemiology. eg. 100 people died of colorectal cancer, 5 ate meat, no body on the list was vego or vegan. Therefore, "meat is bad". The scientists/medicos try to control for external factors, but in reality they can't really.

    All the stuff about poly this and poly that formed by flames hitting meat being carcinogenic in humans is a nonsense, because the testing of those phenols being "bad" is what they derive from rat, mouse, and cell studies. We're none of those things. Except certain politicians.

    Safe to ignore imo. Ignorance is bliss, carry on.

    • Gekov on 02/04/2022 - 16:16
      +1

      "The article doesn't say meat is a carcinogen. It says there is an association."

      There is probably "an association" because heavy meat eaters tend to have a diet lower in fibre, required for gut health, than, say, vegans.

      • GrueHunter on 03/04/2022 - 11:10

        Fibre from the plants that you just claimed were 99% poisonous and that we should disregard because something agriculture something?

        That fibre?

  • Ozschmargain on 02/04/2022 - 14:55
    +2

    Sponsored by those heavily invested in plant based 'alternatives'…

    • Aureus on 02/04/2022 - 17:56
      -1

      Everyone knows the World Health Organization is heavily invested in to Beyond Meat. 🙄

      • Ozschmargain on 02/04/2022 - 18:02

        JRE #1784

        • Aureus on 02/04/2022 - 18:09
          -1

          🙄

          • Ozschmargain on 02/04/2022 - 18:11
            +2

            @Aureus: "Those who criticize Joe Rogan, have not listened to the Joe Rogan Experience." ~ Confucius

  • Gekov on 02/04/2022 - 16:13

    "Eat less meat to save the planet"

    ROTFLMAO

    In that case, why not go all the way with virtue signalling, by switching to an insect diet as your Marxist masters in the UN want you to do.

  • provision on 02/04/2022 - 16:24
    +6

    This is all a part of the slow descension for humans to eventually consume slurries as their primary diet.

    Cross the meat industry off the list first, then the agricultural crisis will occur with claims of environment damage due to poor quality soil from decades of harvesting, after that we'll be chomping on bugs and hydroponics and finally landing on lab cultured glorified vitamin powders with increased caloric contents. Maybe soylent will come first if we're lucky :)

    Do the studies suggest how they came to the conclusion that meat is so carcinogenic? Food is invariably hard to study when it comes to controlling what people eat daily over a significant period of time. It's well known that historical studies that came to a similar conclusion just assessed the participators overall meat consumption but not factor in the sources of their meat intake (lean meat, sausage rolls, pies, hamburgers, hot dogs etc) and other lifestyle factors. Obviously if you're a couch potato smashing down a meat lovers pizza your health prognosis will decline

  • monky on 02/04/2022 - 17:54
    +2

    I would be less worried about your steak and more worried about the issue of irreversible microplastics contamination of pretty much everything. (even in you!)

  • Njamao on 02/04/2022 - 19:13

    Catch a wake up people: https://youtu.be/wBsnk2PtPeo

  • Mad Max on 02/04/2022 - 19:52
    +2

    WHO says it?
    Such a trusted and reliable source…
    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • Ughhh on 03/04/2022 - 09:35
      +2

      WHO didn't really say it. Reading can sometimes be difficult and people tend to skip important words like "associate, leading to, may, possible" etc.

    • whyisave on 03/04/2022 - 09:52
      +1

      Search for where the WHO 'donations' / funding come from

  • MikeKulls on 02/04/2022 - 22:07
    +1

    Eating an animal is good for that species. The most successful species on the planet are chickens, pigs, cows and sheep. I'm doing my bit.

    • cookie2 on 02/04/2022 - 22:24

      Um what?

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