Why RBA did not see Inflation or when the Mortgage Pain will Stop?

UPDATE 25/07:
Right, so let me make it blunt and short because some of the comments suggest that many did not make it past the title (BTW, I am not in a mortgage pain because I don't have a mortgage and I am also indifferent to rates in real world because I trade with my money not keep it in the bank).

Short version:

  1. If you bought recently, did not lock the rate for 4-5 years and levered up to "nuts" level - you are probably screwed
  2. If you bought multiple properties within the last 1 year on leverage - you are screwed
  3. If you will need to sell within the next 2-3 years - you are f@cked
  4. Even RBA now confirmed this view - read between the lines, the link is at the bottom of the message

Why:

  1. There was NO real price discovery in the housing market in the last 2 years (I would argue, since 2008) - the price was a function of liquidity. Liquidity has now been drained out and we will only see a reduction of liquidity from now on and until something major breaks (i.e., massive credit event)
  2. RBA would know when to stop tightening AFTER the fact they broke enough things (including the housing market), because of their model and data driven process based on the lagging indicators (described below)
  3. Inflation will be sticky and will not go down easily unless we have a proper recession which will further tighten available liquidity (not only because the rates will go up but also because people will have much less disposable income after paying down for all necessities)
  4. If rates will go up to (let's say) 20102-12 levels and liquidity will go down, then it would be no surprise to see the house prices back at the 2010-2012 level. Where do you think all that bidding up would come from if rates are high and available money is low?

The end.


The markets are slow after yesterday’s moves and while I watch the paint dry tape, I decided to annoy you with another post of “many words”.

I told you about 1970s-style inflation coming many months ago – most just shrugged it off saying that they’d be just fine. Now we have every third post about cost of living and rising mortgage repayments. Some (50+ people, really?) even want to sue RBA claiming that they would not have got their multi-million mortgages when the rates were low if only <insert the condition> … or would they?

Do we need to blame RBA policies for our decision?

RBA (and FED) live in the world of averages, forward guidance, and credibility. They maintain their policies in line with a “control theory” that “works with a long and variable lag”. What would all that mean in the real world?

  1. Average is the most dangerous word in finance, right? Well, not if you are a Reserve bank. RBA will not run to raise rates if, i.e. oil hits $120 for the first time in years. They will do absolutely nothing if inflation spikes for one or two months (FED made it fashionable with their “average inflation targeting”). They will need the deviation to stay high enough for long enough to distort their averages in order to action because of the ….
  2. Forward guidance. In other words – take it slow and easy, like dating a beauty queen (especially in the light of the new Consent laws). Announce what you going to do next, then wait for a reaction, then announce a bit more and wait a bit more. If she doesn’t react – take another baby step… after announcing… and waiting. You move slow but extremely steady and with an absolute resolve because you must maintain your…
  3. Credibility. The markets know that RBA have got tools in their toolbox to maintain calm and order when it is required. And credibility is the one thing they don’t have anymore, and desperately trying to get their credibility mojo back.

Usually, the disbalances in the market work themselves out because participants know that FED (RBA) will make sure that deviations from averages will not last long enough because of their credibility (and the toolbox). In most cases, just a few words of that proverbial forward guidance is enough to discipline the market. But not now. Why is that?
Because we found out that while RBA (FED) have got their tools all right, they don’t have the guts to use those tools. Both institutions have chickened out when it was time to raise rates and preferred to air on the side of “inflation is transitory” based on reading of their averages against the base-effect from pandemic.

Now, in the “average” world there would have been some reasoning behind “transitory” argument, but we don’t live in the average world and there was not much common sense to wait for raising rates after seeing all that stimulus money working its way though pandemic-weak supply chains.

Lets, however, be honest and admit that even if RBA were to hike rates early enough, inflation genie would still be out of the bottle with hundreds of billions thrown on the bon-fire by federals and states alike (Fiscal is always inflationary). It was not the war or evil Putin, or supply chains - no. It was free money, near zero rates but, most importantly, our animal spirits that are to blame for this inflation.

What’s next?

Now RBA will overshoot in another direction and overtighten.

Remember that messed-up “Credibility”? They said that they will kill this inflation and you’d better trust them because credibility needs to be restored, even if it is done through blood and tears of most recent entrants into the property market. Not my words - https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/recent-home-buyers-most-v…

Make no mistake – RBA will need to kill demand to kill inflation. Exactly in that order.

Remember that “long and variable lag” from the top of the page? It means that when the policy is tightening, the first one to fall is growth and demand. The lag to kill growth is much smaller than a lag that is required to kill inflation. And the policy will need keep tightening for a long after demand is down and begging for mercy. After all, inflation is affecting everyone of us while only 10% are vulnerable to higher rates due to over-commitment on mortgages – again, not my words.

I told you some time ago that it might be wise to re-allocate and get out of the real estate market especially if you are leveraged to the eyeballs – I hope you listened.

Let's do some voting, shall we?

Poll Options

  • 152
    Inflation is killing my budget
  • 30
    Rising rates are killing my budget
  • 240
    Still don't care about inflation or interest rates

Comments

      • +4

        Then why bother posting about 'mortgage pain' if you have none?

        • Hear hear!!!!

        • -2

          For you to ask me about that.
          Are you in a mortgage pain?

          • +2

            @ALesha77:

            For you to ask me about that.

            well /thread then.

            Are you in a mortgage pain?

            I am debt free. You must confused me with someone else.

            • -1

              @JimmyF: You see, here is a difference between us - you made an assumption and immediately jumped to conclusions while I genuinely asked.
              Who is confused?

              • +4

                @ALesha77:

                Who is confused?

                I'm not confused, or making posts about mortgage pain.

                You see, here is a difference between us - you made an assumption and immediately jumped to conclusions while I genuinely asked.

                Well when you make a post about mortgage pain………..

                But I see your post was really about telling people I told you so

      • +3

        I am not sure about you but for someone to write a piece about mortgage pain when that poster doesn't have a mortgage pain let alone a mortgage him/herself would be deemed to be socially insensitive due "rubbing it in" offense.

    • Thanks for reminding me that 50% of the words in that sentence has had the front letter capitalized for no reason.

      Is OP trying to say something about the 50% capital gains tax discount?

  • Rates are going to have to get much closer to inflation to actually make a difference.

    I wouldn't trust the rate projections until we start seeing inflation cool off.

    • I'd say a quarter past that point.
      we might get a pause on Christmas though.

  • +9

    Problem with the old skool theory that rates reduce inflation is that the premise on which it is based, ie. Inflation is due to people having excess money, therefor demand on other items is high - reduce peoples money (via increased interest rates), then demand should fall, reducing price pressure …

    The issue is that inflation this time around is due to reduced supply due to shortage NOT INCREASED DEMAND!!!

    Shortages are due to parts shortages (due to factory COVID lockdowns), supply chain issues (also due to COVID lockdowns and ISO) and transportation costs (fuel price increase due to US oil being taken off the market - disguised as "Ukraine War").

    RBA interest rate hikes won't change the supply shortages, so unlikely to achieve what they are trying to achieve :/

    • +1

      The outcome will still be the same though, no? You reduce supply and demand remains the same, you still have a shortage.

      • +1

        No, outcome not the same because demand for food, rent, etc won't change, no matter the interest rate :/

        Yet those items are undergoing inflation due to supply issues!

        • Australia is a large producer of food, energy, basic materials and have an army of contractors for homebuilding.
          All strategic and critical industries were operational during all lock-downs.

          What shortages because of the war 20.000 kilometers away are you referring to?

    • +2

      Shortages and supply/demand disparity will only be a short term localised inflation. Not the kind of inflation that the RBA is necessarily dealing with or has much control over.

      The kind of inflation that needs to be stabilised is mainly due to the devaluing of the Australian Dollar. It's not worth as much as it was 3 years ago for a number of reasons, but mostly because 1) we printed a lot of it and gave it as free handouts to pretty much everyone and every business during COVID, and 2) our economy was very 'services' driven, and wasn't positioned to handle two years of reduced services without an increase in manufacturing of goods, meaning little utility of the Australian Dollar internationally.

      RBA is hoping high interest rates will eventually deal with this, (I believe it will, probably after 2 years of high interest pain), but what comes after as "stagflation" is a real worry, and that the Australian economy might not recover without a complete change in economic policy.

      • Can you name the last time a company REDUCED the price of anything due to TEMPORARY price pressures?!?

        It doesn't happen, once a company knows they can sell out of stock at 20% higher margins, the price never decreases, even if inflation was temporary :/

        • yeh like that time in 2008 or whenever when the cyclones destroyed the QLD coast, and the price of bananas were $20/kg. Now they're back down to $2/kg.

    • +1

      The issue is that inflation this time around is due to reduced supply due to shortage NOT INCREASED DEMAND!!!

      Even if supplies were keeping up we'd still have run away inflation given the amount of money printing that went on.
      There was that much money out there in the system.

    • Mmm, so the nu skool teory does not count 600+ billion of stimulus money and 0% interest rate as demand on steroids?
      Cool, RBA still don't know that.

    • +2

      NOT INCREASED DEMAND

      Tell that to all the morons who paid over the odds at property auctions.

      Also if there is a shortage, then you don't want "normal" demand levels, you want to moderate demand accordingly.

    • +1

      Correct, and explained very well here https://youtu.be/B6Zb_AvxT8g

      The RBA should never have lowered rates in the first place. Inflation was transitional. It is too late now and they need to increase rates above CPI to stop the upwards spiral.

      That means rates of 6-7% in Australia. The RBA will get it wrong again and keep rates too low a second time

  • +1

    What was the US inflation rate on the day Lowe made that ridiculous speech? 6.8%. Pretty much the same inflationary pressures there that we have. I remember thinking on the day, how big does this dope want to blow up the asset bubble?

  • +5

    Sorry but the worse you are with your mortgage the better many of us are with our savings.

    We took a huge hit last 2 years… now it is your turn.

    Fair is fair.

    • +3

      We took a huge hit last 2 years… now it is your turn.

      Or maybe the better part of a decade
      But agree, finally some respite for the frugal.

      Also the increased savings rates will entice people to pull out of their investment properties as their yields dwindle to below that of a savings account. (not to mention less effort and stress by just having money in a bank).

      • +2

        as their yields dwindle to below that of a savings account.

        Property investors generally aren't that concerned with yield, rather they are after capital growth, while someone else pays the mortgage.

        • +1

          To have capital growth you would need someone to buy (and keep buying) after you bought.
          Looking at some recent comments from RBA officials I don't see any rush to buy RE for the next few years.
          One could only wonder where that capital growth would come from?

          • +2

            @ALesha77: A couple of years is extremely short term for property investment.

      • The last point might be more applicable to new wannabe landlords and the smarter cohort of existing "investors" (judging by some comments I would not hope that number would be too large)

    • +1

      I don't have a mortgage and I am not keeping any substantial part of money in the bank so I am indifferent to both sides.

      I wouldn't hope for a large increase in savings rates though. Also, longer term the game is rigged in favor of money-borrowers because of the low (or even negative) organic rate of growth in developed economies.

    • Many people with no debt and savings probably own property so would have benefitted hugely from inflated prices.

      Spare me the tears.

  • I'd say theres a great chance of a legal case against RBA - they didnt consult the OzCrystalBall

    Someone call Dewy Cheetem and Howe lawyers

  • I completely agree with you. Inflation unfortunately is running rampant for a number of factors. Stopping the economy for 2 years is the obvious one. Sadly, I really wanted to settle when it was still at 1.89% fixed for 2 years. BUT, nooo, had to be May 2022. Anyways, first home buyer. Better paying for my own place than renting (jacked up the price from $500/w 2b2b1c to $580). He then put it on the market for $630. I did get his bank letter clearly showing he fixed it for 2 years but was jacking the prices as everyone else is doing it.

  • +3

    Anyone entering into a mortgage over 25 years signs up for the ups and downs of interest rates.

    There is no one to blame.

    Anyone suggesting the RBA is to blame for their hardship or that the RBA misled them are Class A idiots.

    • While you are correct, it was irresponsible for the RBA to repeatedly announce that it didn't think rates would move for the next three years.

      • They did not see the inflation numbers to come at the time.

        There was no indication that there would be 6-7% inflation.

        The rationale was then to hold tight and suggest no movement for the foreseeable future which was prudent at the time.

        Do you expect everyone else to have a crystal ball?

        • +1

          Of course there was no indication of what was to come, there rarely is. If it was easy, I'd have day traded my way to early retirement long ago.

          It was not prudent to indicate things were unlikely to change for 3 years given how quickly everyone knows the economic landscape than become very different. 3 years does not fit the description of "foreseeable future" when you are talking about economics. Maybe 3 days does.

      • If i tell you that it is safe to walk in the middle on the night with your pants down and you get attacked, will you blame me? Common sense is to look at your own financial situation and not let the greed control you.

        In general (not directed at anyone), we have to take ownership of our problems and decisions, world has always operated this way. Dont project your troubles onto others

  • Have you considered getting a higher paid job or a large inheritance?

    • -5

      Oh, I am fine and financially more than fine.
      Thanks for genuine support and care though.

  • +2

    Why do people still put faith in economists? Wasn't 2007 enough to prove that they really didn't have a clue as to the dynamics of the system, let alone the control levers to address it? We were in the middle of a monumental crash and they STILL didn't recognise it. Predict and be able to fix it - not a hope in hell.

    And today, where were they went house prices spiked at the beginning of covid? Where were they when gas exporting chancers pushed energy prices through the roof? The only thing they know how to do is pull the interest rate lever - but that's just going to make things worse. Individuals see all their costs rising, and in a time of near full employment, those in demand and in jobs are going to demand 10%+ pay rises. Companies have been taking the chance of 'oh, its the russians' to spike the price - but those rises are going to get another round of increases, and then baked in forever. And those at the bottom of the pile are going to get screwed again.

    Stop putting faith in economists - they fraudsters in suits. Yes, the RBA is firmly to blame.

    • +2

      It's more when the economy was chugging away quite healthily they decided to keep rates low and even kept lowering them. This eroded any chance they had to push rates lower when the economy started to stutter, such as now.

      Now we're cooked.

    • So what are you saying, who should we put our faith in to run monetary policy? Should we put our faith in physicists? Psychics? Free enterprising business people? Should the free market instead decide which institutional levels to pull!? It's not like the RBA runs the economy, there are generations of politicians and interests groups that have worked towards dampening wages, disincentivising capital and intellectual investment and have pumped cash and pushed asset inflation unto a housing market that lacks any meaningful productive return. The RBA and it's economists just set the rates, and they make the call given the best info available. RBA caused housing price inflation while fighting other battles, not one government stepped in, local or state (nor was one voted in) to slow housing price pressures; nor to to support support a healthy domestic economy. Unpopular opinion, but it was bloody obvious interest rates had to go down and then up… Regardless of the "jawboning"

  • +4

    It was not the war or evil Putin, or supply chains - no. It was free money, near zero rates but, most importantly, our animal spirits that are to blame for this inflation.

    Another fine piece of economic illiteracy by our resident armchair general ALesha77

    • +1

      Care to substantiate?
      Especially the "another" part with some solid arguments about "financial illiteracy"?

  • +6

    My hat off to anyone who read all that.

    • +6

      It's not even that it's just a huge number of words to put into a forum post on a bargain website, it's that OP has no idea how to write or concisely organise their thoughts. You start reading, get halfway through a paragraph, and realise that OP hasn't actually said anything yet and you've just been reading waffle for the last few sentences.

      It's actually impressive, really. There are many English majors out there that wish they had Leshy's talent for turning 20-word ideas into 2000-word essays.

      • +2

        It's the ramblings of a high school student that is taking economics for the first time.

    • Not mine..waste of time..I'm just here for the comments!

  • +1

    If people didn't know that taking $1.6M loans for their houses was going to be hard to pay and hoped the interest rate would stay at an historically low rate forever. Then best of luck to them.

  • +2

    I would wager every single board member on the RBA was having so much fun watching their house prices go up without any valid justification at all that they just didn't care about the utter devastation money printing was having on ordinary Australians.

  • Eat the rich!

  • Hard to believe people are having problems already. The interest rates are still at record lows compared to every other decade.
    It’s going to get much much worse.

    • Cash rate needs to get to 10% or 1000 basis points.

  • Leading cause of inflation of colesworth, not sure why ozbargain wants to blame RBA
    Only a idiot would think Coca Cola needs to go up $1 because its 5% of its syrup fluid went up slightly.

  • +1

    All of my friends who got their million dollar loans in the past 2 years have their mortgage fixed at rates less than 3%. I don’t see any of them panic. This media is over hyping things. There may be a 10-20% increase in living expenses. It will hurt a bit, but like the poll indicates, people are ok with it.

    • +2

      like the poll indicates, people are ok with it.

      It's not surprising a frugal and responsible spending group like OzBarginers are ok with it. I'm not sure the same nonchalant attitude would be reflected at the same level more broadly.

    • +1

      1% increase on a million dollars is $10000 a year in interest or ~$200wk, once they roll onto variable even if they have strong buffers, paying $200 more extra per week is going to hurt.

      • I think Au economy will be back in good form by 2/3 years. Salaries will have increased by two years. And, the interest rate also will start to slide down starting from 2024.

        • +1

          Salaries will have increased by two years.

          lol

  • +2

    Appreciate the post op. As a fellow ozbargainer with an economics background. I couldn't agree

  • Global inflation is already starting to soften was central banks around the world jack up rates. Supply chain issues, a big contributor to current inflation are also likely to improve going forward.

  • Need an extra poll option.

    Inflation is hurting, but I am well prepared with a sensible mortgage and extra room for this in my budget.

  • Borrowed 360K in 2019 with 100K deposit. Even tho offered almost double this amount. Property up about 200K Owner/Occupier. Bought in cheap area. Don't treat real estate as a 'get rich quick scheme' - i'll be fine.

  • The RBA sees nothing, which is why the heavy rate rises are happening.

    Lowe is possibly the very worst governor in RBA history, without a doubt.

    ………..

    But hey, that’s why he earns the super big salary, not us poor folks that apparently know nothing about properly monetary policy.

  • +1

    Can we stop blaming inflation solely for these issues? Corporation are becoming more and more consolidated, effectively weakening the need to compete. Governments are doing very little to stop this and consumers keep paying every higher prices.

    Corporate profits continue to increase and far out pace their cost to do business. Meanwhile wages are like a stagnant pond and the cost of goods are forever increasing.

    Inflation is corporate driven profiteering due to lack of competition.

  • +1

    Most people are not freaking out yet because they are feeling asset rich as house prices haven’t fallen much yet - and rates are still relatively low.

    People will start freaking out once rates go up a few more % and companies start cutting staff - which is inevitable and already happening in the US. In fact a lot of Oz bargainers are in the tech sector and what’s happening in the US is that staff are being made redundant then any new hires are at lower wages! Effective pay cuts!!! We haven’t seen anything yet here in Oz. It’s coming. Basically you want little to no leverage and plenty of cash reserves.

  • +1

    2012 cash rate ~4%, avg bank rates ~7%
    2022 cash rate ~1.35%, avg bank rate 3.9%

    You'll be fine.

    • +1

      Exactly! I was paying a higher interest rate on a larger loan 10 years ago. Of which the price of that house has increased by 210%.. I don't know why people are flipping out.

      • +1

        Maybe the ones flipping out didn't take out their mortgages 10+ years ago?

        • +2

          Maybe. But I took a mortgage out in 2021 on my second house and I'm not flipping out on interest rates rising because when I was getting the second loan I budgeted for an "average" rate of 7% and didn't just go for the maximum amount I could borrow. I've also been paying more than the minimum repayment while the rates are low (putting on as much as possible) and have a significant buffer now.

  • +2

    TLDR please someone?
    Trying to read the OP posts is more painful than the problem described.

  • The fact that most people on this poll doesn't care about inflation or interest rates yet means the RBA still has a way to go…

  • It's a sign of crazy time when the high interest savings account interest is higher than the fixed rate mortgage interest from earlier this year…

  • +1

    What mortgage pain?
    "Oh no, the line of almost free money has run out, now let's all complain about it!"
    Perhaps I'm showing my age but we are just seeing some return to normal interest rates, instead of the unusually low rates we have seen of recent times.
    Once upon a time we were taught that 'time is money' and interest rates should apply for the delay in paying debt.
    Whoop… what I see is young people getting a life lesson.

    The high interest rates are intended to put the brakes on so cost of building and cost of real estate don't keep climbing to more and more ridiculous heights which is what is really making things expensive.

  • Why would I listen to some random on the internet telling me how to spend my money?

  • Do we need to blame RBA policies for our decision?

    No we don't. The end.

  • The RBA has one button, they use it when CPI is up regardless of the root cause.

    Blame the Russian sanctions. They achieve nothing other than screwing us over.

  • OP' polling result is fascinating. With more than half of the votes not care about inflation and interest rate, I guess it means inflation will keep at this level and more rate hikes will come. It seems 1.35% is not going to dent people budget but at what level (2.6 ? 3.45 or 5% ?) is for everybody guessing.

    At my local woollies, I notice frozen veggies/odd bunches are first OSS.

  • Let the people who poorly managed their finances suffer.

    As they see, let’s see who is swimming naked when the tide goes out.

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