Is Vaccination Status Still Relevant for Employment?

[Deactivated] on 05/08/2022 - 11:05
Last edited 05/08/2022 - 11:18 by 1 other user

According to others such as ant333, there still largely remains employers who ask for vaccination status. Now, asking for vaccination status is not a sin itself. It needs to be determined whether this is used to select certain candidates, i.e. if you are in a startup then you are more likely to find more creative people who are freethinkers who make their own decisions and research in the unvaccinated crowd. Alternatively, whether it is being used maliciously to cancel certain candidates is a concern.

Now I have no idea why employers would still be asking for vaccination status other than theoretically as mentioned above. Many employers are now starting to discourage the use of vaccines due to the side effects that are now appearing in the short to medium term involving blood clots and myocarditis. If you invest in your worker for 3-5 years then you want them to be healthy and not subject to any long term side effects. Myocarditis is basically a lifelong illness, and this undoubtedly will be something that employers keep in mind.

Now to make this thread a bit more useful. We could have a list of employers who do not ask questions. If you are an employer, or HR please chime in with the reasons why you have decided that it is alright to discriminate based on vaccination status.

If anything the question should be asked in the interviews is whether you have natural immunity or vaccination. It all comes down to how you approach the question and how you answer it. A lot of people seem to be scared to tell the truth and that seems to be very concerning coming from Australians.

When you tell them that you have natural immunity. You should be confident on the phone when you tell them it. You don't need to hide or be scared. Maybe this is coming out in your interviews! You made your decision and you need to take whatever comes at you with confidence. I'm fairly certain we are already past the point where it should even be asked. Fewer people are wearing masks and it just seems a bit odd for Australian companies to still be out there by itself.

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Comments

  • [Deactivated] on 05/08/2022 - 11:08

    Calm the farm already

    • SF3 on 05/08/2022 - 11:58
      +2

      This OP was triggered by OP John. OP was cannoned with negs on their POV.

      However a member of the community has done some 'background' checks on OP John, gives the vibe that, whether OP John is vax or not. If there was a reference check done on OP John's behaviours, a potential employer may not put the CV through into the shortlist.

      • [Deactivated] on 05/08/2022 - 12:33

        Yes, OP is triggered ALOT!

        Quite sad really

  • El cheepo on 05/08/2022 - 11:10
    +9

    Woohoo, another covid post!

    🍿

  • Ithinkimtheking on 05/08/2022 - 11:10
    +1

    tldr;?

    • pegaxs on 05/08/2022 - 11:25
      +3

      "Whinge whinge whine, MuH RiGhTz. NoT fAiR. Wah wah…"

      I think that sums up most of these threads pretty well.

  • askbargain on 05/08/2022 - 11:11
    +4

    Many employers are now starting to discourage the use of vaccines

    Why don’t you list this instead of asking us to list it for you?

  • CyberMurning on 05/08/2022 - 11:13
    +1

    no.
    should be against the law to discriminate.

    you like needle just take it yourself

    agree. so 2020 talking about covid

  • DingoBilly on 05/08/2022 - 11:16
    +3

    Yeah it's pretty relevant for any job where you interact with others. So makes complete sense to have it as a criteria, and if you have a team working under you same thing - you want to protect your staff, not expose them to someone getting COVID and spreading it because of their conspiracy theories.

    It's also a great self-selection criteria for whether your employee will be a nut or not. I'd run for the hills if I came across an anti-vaxxer applicant, thank goodness my business has a strict policy on it.

    • [Deactivated] on 05/08/2022 - 11:18
      -2

      lol, you'd be the first to go in my business

      • DingoBilly on 05/08/2022 - 12:02
        +4

        That's fine - I would imagine a company that is run by anti-vaxxers would be short-lived. If not because of COVID because they're not the brighest people.

        • [Deactivated] on 05/08/2022 - 12:19
          +3

          same as those that still hold their hope in a vax that doesn't work lol, the cat is out of the bag

    • CyberMurning on 05/08/2022 - 11:34
      +2

      if people weak then dont go out but dont force all human to follow individual fear

      • DingoBilly on 05/08/2022 - 12:01

        This is a very selfish viewpoint.

        It's also ironic as isn't this what you're trying to do? You as an individual are scared of the vaccine and as a result are trying to force others to also avoid it?

    • this one on 05/08/2022 - 11:48
      +1

      please tell us your business so we can all avoid it. What a dumb ass comment!

  • CrowReally on 05/08/2022 - 11:17
    +3

    "if you are in a startup then you are more likely to find more creative people who are freethinkers who make their own decisions and research in the unvaccinated crowd"

    rahaha, yeah, the DYOR conspiracy theorist mob are exactly the free thinkers who you'd want to cherry pick for your work enviroment. Have you seen the homemade signs they hold up at rallies? "Creative" indeed.

    "You print on A4? Just like the WHO does? Nice try, Soros shill. Next thing you'll be telling me you run Bill Gates' "Windows" on your computers".

  • pegaxs on 05/08/2022 - 11:27
    +8

    Many employers are now starting to discourage the use of vaccines

    Hahah… where is the source on this absolute (fropanity) bullshit?

    • kanmen on 05/08/2022 - 13:14

      I think the whole post needs sources but that might be asking for too much. Not sure how you can source 'the internet'

  • SBOB on 05/08/2022 - 11:38
    +7

    Many employers are now starting to discourage the use of vaccines due to the side effects

    please show your working….

    • SF3 on 05/08/2022 - 11:49

      It's the vibe.

    • pegaxs on 05/08/2022 - 12:43

      Got to work, employer discourages vaccine, someone comes to work sick, get sick, die, family sues employer for telling employees not to get vaccinated.

      Seems legit.

  • this one on 05/08/2022 - 11:50
    +4

    considering the jab does not do what was promised; stop one getting covid and stop spreading it to others, Clearly this IS NOT happening, so why would it be needed for employment or to 'protect others'?

    • singlemalt72 on 05/08/2022 - 11:54
      +1

      This was never "promised" as at that stage no vaccine for a corona virus had been developed, it delivers what WAS promised, a vaccine that significantly lowers your need for medical intervention and death.

      • this one on 05/08/2022 - 11:57
        +3

        ummm you must be looking at the data from msm. Take a look at the actual data, most people in hospital are vaxxed and the more bosters you have the greater your risk of injury and death

        • DingoBilly on 05/08/2022 - 12:05

          This is completely incorrect and misinformation. Please provide any data because this is easy to disprove.

        • SBOB on 05/08/2022 - 12:06

          Take a look at the actual data,

          while ignoring actually understanding that data or applying any thought to it, so you too can claim

          most people in hospital are vaxxed and the more bosters you have the greater your risk of injury and death

          while completely ignoring population ratios, age groups etc

        • singlemalt72 on 05/08/2022 - 12:06

          Did you fail math?
          It doesn't matter that most people in hospital are vaxxed, with >95% of the population vaxxed to some extent, the small percentage of serious cases is , of course significant.

          What you need to do is learn the difference between absolute numbers and incidence rates, if you are unvaccinated you are far more likely as an individual to require hospitalisation or die … fact.

          • [Deactivated] on 05/08/2022 - 12:32
            +1

            @singlemalt72: hahaha, sheep fed lie that one

          • SlavOz on 06/08/2022 - 10:54
            +2

            @singlemalt72: Can you cite me a source that says an unvaccinated 25 year old is more likely to die than a fully boosted 25 year old?

            Shouldn't be hard. You know…facts and everything.

            • singlemalt72 on 25/08/2022 - 08:54

              @SlavOz: Nice strawman.

              No, 25 year olds are not in a high death risk group, but still can take up ICU beds potentially displacing older people and immunocompromised in higher risk groups

              • franco cozzo on 25/08/2022 - 09:02

                @singlemalt72: we'd have even more ICU beds if we didnt keep sending hundreds of millions over to ukraine!
                $388 Million in fact!!

                • singlemalt72 on 25/08/2022 - 10:21

                  @franco cozzo: We would have more ICU beds if (insert government funding other than health) were cut.
                  Let me go out on a limb here ….Perhaps more ICU beds is not the answer, perhaps people vaccinating themselves and reducing the number of required ICU beds is the point.

                  • franco cozzo on 25/08/2022 - 12:45

                    @singlemalt72: vaccinated people are dying and in ICU and make up the majority of numbers in both cases
                    your vaccines arent effective or particularly safe either

              • SlavOz on 25/08/2022 - 12:32
                +1

                @singlemalt72: Your claim was (and I quote)

                if you are unvaccinated you are far more likely as an individual to require hospitalisation or die … fact.

                It's not a strawman to ask you to verify this 'fact'. Show me a controlled study that finds unvaccinated are more likely to die or end up in hospital compared to their fully vaxxed peers across different age groups.

                ICU beds - I won't even bother because we all know you're not going to shame the fatties for taking them up due to the obesity pandemic. You're just carefully selecting where to apply your outrage.

                • singlemalt72 on 25/08/2022 - 12:37

                  @SlavOz: No, you then asked specifically for data pertaining to 25 year olds only, get your own claims correct first.

                  • SlavOz on 25/08/2022 - 12:53

                    @singlemalt72: Are 25-year olds not "individuals"? You made the blanket claim that everyone who is unvaccinated is more likely to die or end up in hospital. I suspect you know this isn't true because there is no such data showing it to be the case among different age groups or controlled populations.

                    What you have is a questionably concocted government statistic that shows very old or sick people are more likely to die if they're unvaccinated. But most of society is not very old or sick.

                    It might help to be more specific with your claims, because using one uncontrolled statistic from a single age group to make blanket statements on the entire population is just outright misinformation.

      • franco cozzo on 25/08/2022 - 06:39

        youre lying

    • DingoBilly on 05/08/2022 - 12:03
      +1

      This is precisely what is happening though… Do you understand statistics?

      Are you angry that car safety features don't prevent all car-related incidents? That medication doesn't work 100% for all patients etc.?

      They all help mitigate and reduce the effects of those incidents.

    • Clear on 05/08/2022 - 12:09
      +2

      stop one getting covid

      Was never designed to stop you from getting COVID. Why do the antivaxxers always push a false narrative?

      • [Deactivated] on 05/08/2022 - 12:21
        +1

        Remember it wasnt very long ago when they told you the vaccine stops you getting Covid. Joe Biden even said it himself

        • Clear on 05/08/2022 - 12:24

          Because Joe Biden is an expert? It stops you from getting very sick if you catch COVID but doesn't stop you from getting COVID. I can easily understand why some people aren't capable of seeing the difference.

          • [Deactivated] on 05/08/2022 - 12:30
            +2

            @Clear: the vaxers go to comment now they realise they don't work, "oh imagine how sick I would of got if didn't get vaxed"

            let me tell you the same lol

            • Clear on 05/08/2022 - 12:34

              @[Deactivated]: I took molnupiravir.

              • [Deactivated] on 05/08/2022 - 12:38
                +1

                @Clear: I took Panadol for a few days and cough medic from a natrapath, no other crap needed.

                • Clear on 05/08/2022 - 12:38
                  +2

                  @[Deactivated]:

                  natrapath

                  no other crap needed.

                  Certainly is.

                  • [Deactivated] on 05/08/2022 - 12:41
                    +1

                    @Clear: improve your lifestyle, get fit lay off the crap food is what's needed
                    "covid loves fat people" DR Ross Walker

          • Bullion78 on 12/08/2022 - 16:15
            +1

            @Clear: Virtually every health minister and CHO said it as well. Why even deny it at this point? Why defend them? They were not just wrong, they were spectacularly wrong.
            They never spoke about 3, 4 or soon to be 5 shots.. They never said that your immunity would wane.

            These are indisputable facts to anyone that still has their vision and hearing intact.

            Which other vaccine has required this many shots?

            • Clear on 12/08/2022 - 16:40
              -2

              @Bullion78: Tbh idgaf. Not gonna feed you.

              • Mike85 on 16/08/2022 - 01:21
                +1

                @Clear: Not gonna feed him? You mean he burned you bigtime. Every Health Officer, Every politician, every news anchor, every medical "expert" in every country told you that it was "safe and effective", stopped you from getting covid, and stopped you from transmitting it. They lied to you. They told you that it was a choice and people wouldn't be punished for opting out. They lied. They told you boosters wouldn't be a thing. They lied.

                Here is something for you to think about, I am now back at work in my same job, dealing with staff and customers. The people who were vaxxed 8 months ago are still vaxxed. The unvaccinated are still unvaccinated. Omicron (the least deadly strain so far) was the prevalent strain before losing my job, and is still the prevalent strain…so how come It's OK for me to infect people now? Being as how nothing has changed in 8 months, there are 3 options…
                a) They want people to die
                b) They realized that they were wrong, and instead of admitting it, they just relaxed the rules, or,
                c) They knew they were wrong beforehand, and lied to you

                • Clear on 16/08/2022 - 07:12
                  -2

                  @Mike85: I stopped after the first sentence. All I see is whinging.

                • SlavOz on 16/08/2022 - 10:25

                  @Mike85: lol it's so funny seeing the vax cheerleaders hide from their own stupidity. A few months ago we were at the point of perfectly healthy people being shot at for going outside and daring to interrupt our plans for a risk-free society. Now the authorities have realised that it's untenable to keep this up. Too many people caught COVID so they can't fear-monger anymore. Reality has sunk in so they're forced to backtrack on 2 years of acting like if you get this virus it's literally worse than the gas chamber.

                  I'm still waiting for the pandemic of the unvaccinated to kick in…

                  • [Deactivated] on 16/08/2022 - 10:43

                    @SlavOz: You must be SO very tired of constantly repeating yourself ad nauseam. Talk to a human about those pesky PTSD symptoms you have that prevent you from living in the here and now

                    • SlavOz on 16/08/2022 - 10:50

                      @[Deactivated]: One day, you will realise speaking up about injustice is worthwhile and even necessary.

                      Until then, good luck living in your fantasy chamber.

                      • [Deactivated] on 16/08/2022 - 10:55

                        @SlavOz: You're on the wrong forum ……. there are no bargains when it comes to your own health & happiness.

                  • Awoke on 16/08/2022 - 10:52

                    @SlavOz: It was a complete fraud to control us. This was their test run to see how compliant we’d be when they try this again.

                    Unfortunately, we failed and gave up our liberties. They scared us, we buckled and they took our liberties.

                    Rest assured they will be back except next time, they will take full control and the tyranny will begin.

                    • [Deactivated] on 16/08/2022 - 11:11

                      @Awoke: Tell us, how much fun are you at parties?

                    • Ughhh on 16/08/2022 - 11:14

                      @Awoke: Sounds scary. Have you left this tyranny country yet? If not, then either youre full of it or too stupid to, or youre actually a green in disguise and love it.

                      • Awoke on 16/08/2022 - 11:17

                        @Ughhh: I see you are following me around. Please don’t become obsessed

                        • Ughhh on 16/08/2022 - 11:20

                          @Awoke: Lol you silly goose. I was on this thread before you became a member. Now back to your cave!

                    • SBOB on 16/08/2022 - 12:36

                      @Awoke:

                      It was a complete fraud to control us. This was their test run to see how compliant we’d be when they try this again

                      Just to clarify, your summation is that Covid was a planned worldwide pandemic, completly organised, deployed, and controlled by some higher governmental secret power, to force the worldwide citizenship into compliance?

                      This is a rhetorical question by the way.

                      • Awoke on 16/08/2022 - 13:06

                        @SBOB:

                        Just to clarify, your summation is that Covid was a planned worldwide pandemic

                        Where did i say that? Seems to be a continuation from the other topic, by you and your friends, to portray me as saying something I didn’t.

                        Is that what you on the left do? Intentionally mislead and misrepresent arguments?

                        • SBOB on 16/08/2022 - 13:08

                          @Awoke: Its your quote.

                          Unless it was a planned event, how can you deem it was a "complete fraud" and a "test run to see how compliant we’d be when they try this again"
                          Is that what you on the left do? Make statements then claim you were intentionally misrepresented?

                          Thats another rhetorical question btw.

                          • Awoke on 16/08/2022 - 13:13

                            @SBOB: What was my quote. Which part specifically states the covid pandemic was a fraud?

                            Or are you relying on the word “It”. You seem to assume and misrepresent. But that’s not unexpected from you and your comrades

                            • SBOB on 16/08/2022 - 13:47
                              +1

                              @Awoke: sorry, my bad
                              When you say "it" you're clearly talking about an "it" with literally no context to the thread you are in, the post you explicitly replied to, or any mention of the words covid from those above you in the thread.

                              Got "it", crystal clear, completely on brand.

                              Vagueness, lack of clarity and an increase in ambiguity could potentially be signs of long covid it.

                              • Awoke on 16/08/2022 - 13:54

                                @SBOB: If you apologise for misrepresenting me, I will explain it slowly so you may grasp “it”

      • SlavOz on 06/08/2022 - 11:02
        +1

        The Department of Health are anti-vaxxers now?

        Benefits of vaccination

        Getting vaccinated now has many benefits, including:

        • protecting people who can’t be vaccinated due to medical conditions

        • slowing the spread of the virus

        Are those 2 points not based on the idea that the vaccine will prevent or reduce transmission?

        If this was never the intended effect, then why the vaccine passports for entry or employment? The only reason employers were legally allowed to mandate it was based on the idea that they were keeping their workers safe from infections.

        • Clear on 06/08/2022 - 11:25

          Who said they're antivaxxers?

          • SlavOz on 06/08/2022 - 11:51

            @Clear: You said:

            Was never designed to stop you from getting COVID. Why do the antivaxxers always push a false narrative?

            The Department of Health says the vaccine will stop you from getting covid (at least on a wide enough scale to have an effect on society). That's what "slowing the spread" and "keepings others safe" means. They're banking on the hope that the vaccine will stop at least some people from getting COVID.

            Does that make them anti-vaxxers?

          • Ughhh on 06/08/2022 - 12:00
            +1

            @Clear: In Slavs head, if one says "blue is a nice colour", his understanding is that means you hate every other colour.

            • Clear on 06/08/2022 - 12:11

              @Ughhh: You've got that right. Plus I think he replies to random people to spread the new crap he's found on Facebook.

  • singlemalt72 on 05/08/2022 - 11:53

    if you are in a startup then you are more likely to find more creative people who are freethinkers who make their own decisions and research in the unvaccinated crowd

    Nah, idiots in every workplace

  • [Deactivated] on 05/08/2022 - 12:24
    +4

    Remember when the governments were telling you to get vaccinated to protect the community?
    If you did it to protect grandma what do you think now?
    The data was always there to show that the vaccine did not stop transmission it was just hidden under the fear propaganda fed to the world daily.

    You should never forgot the lies told to get everyone vaccinated.

    • singlemalt72 on 05/08/2022 - 12:26
      +3

      You protect your community by reducing the proportion of medical interventions required and keeping ICU beds free for those who need them.

      • [Deactivated] on 05/08/2022 - 12:28

        if you need a icu bed for covid you have bigger issues, it's a average flu just had it, glad I didn't take 4 doses of poison for that lol

        • singlemalt72 on 05/08/2022 - 12:34
          +4

          Aaaand you confirm your stupidity.
          Yes, most people get a mild case, a higher proportion of vaccinated people get mild cases and a higher proportion of unvaccinated see ICU beds and the inside of a coffin.
          Your experience with Covid is no evidence of virus seriousness.

          • [Deactivated] on 05/08/2022 - 12:35
            +2

            @singlemalt72: Have you added the statistics from the side effects too?

            There are plenty of peer reviewed studies out now.

            *sigh… It seems like a lot of people are not properly informed. It makes you wonder if there really is informed consent.

            Damn you know, if I am employing you and training you. I am investing in you. I don't want you to roll over after a few years because of an experimental vaccine.

            • singlemalt72 on 05/08/2022 - 12:41
              +3

              @[Deactivated]: And all reputable studies have shown the limited (and known) side effects of vaccination are still much, much lower than the effect of unmitigated Covid.

              And "Experimental vaccine" is just antivaxxer speak for "It's all too had for me to understand"

              • Mike85 on 16/08/2022 - 01:34

                @singlemalt72: Nah, It's called an experimental vaccine because there is not even 2 year study data, let alone the 7+ years of data that countries normally require.
                Perhaps you can point me to the 5-year organ function studies? Maybe the 7-year cancer studies? How about the 3-year immune function studies?

                Unfortunately, the only studies you could point me to are the mRNA animal testing studies. It did not go well for the animals…

          • [Deactivated] on 05/08/2022 - 12:36

            @singlemalt72: you keep believing and sprouting the msm, have you had your monkey pox vax yet?

      • SlavOz on 06/08/2022 - 11:07

        So it's based on your likelihood that you may need to take up a hospital bed?

        Then why didnt we treat alcoholics and smokers the same way?

        We should be firing employees who don't have up-to-date smoke detectors in their home. Bunch of selfish, hospital-hogging nutjobs!

        • singlemalt72 on 12/08/2022 - 16:52

          Nice to see you can equate the stupidity of not having a working smoke detector with the stupidity of not taking a vaccine that dramatically lowers your chances of serious infection and death.

      • Mike85 on 16/08/2022 - 01:28

        ICU beds were always a problem, that's why our state governments increased the number of beds and staff way back in 2020 when they were talking about it…oh wait, no they didn't.

    • SBOB on 05/08/2022 - 12:39
      +1

      data was always there to show that the vaccine did not stop transmission

      But even other anti Covid posters post studies that show a lower case of infection for vaccinated vs unvaccinated

      Eg
      https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/12501799/redir

      You guys need to have a teams meeting and work on your marketing consistency

  • [Deactivated] on 05/08/2022 - 12:34
    +1

    Amazing there is vax sticklers to the death lol, wool over eyes

  • tsunamisurfer on 05/08/2022 - 12:34

    I didn't like being told I had to vaccinate to keep being employed.

    If the company requires you to be vaccinate, you at least have the choice to leave or if you don't want to don't proceed with the application / interview.

  • [Deactivated] on 05/08/2022 - 12:43
    +1

    While the unvaccinated are sitting back smiling with our natural immunity given to us for free and completely uncomprimised by MRNA
    If only you had listened to us "anti vaxers"

    Our government bought enough for 8 doses per person. Maybe they knew all along what was going to happen?

    • Clear on 05/08/2022 - 13:32
      -1

      Vaxer here without "MRNA". Didn't listen to antivaxxers. How does that work?

      • [Deactivated] on 05/08/2022 - 15:59
        -2

        Look…the only reason anyone got a vaccine is :

        A / They would lose their job / ability to travel / assorted freedoms if they failed to do so. Remember when you couldn’t go to a cafe if you weren’t vaccinated?

        B/ You swallowed the outrageous fear propoganda which has since shown to be utter drivel. “ No one is safe from Covid. It’s lethal and everyone is equally vulnerable. “ Since then everyone has had it and everyone knows that unless you’re a 95 year old dementia patient with diabetes and heart disease you will be fine.

        C/ You fell for the “protect the vulnerable “ line. Everyone is quick to now say that no one ever thought the vaccines prevented transmission but this is 100% a lie, saying that they got the jab because they care about others in the community ie they think the vaccine prevents transmission. It was a lie told to you by the “experts” . It was a lie told to you by the government, authorities and the media. It was the most convincing conspiracy against a population which I’ve ever seen. People believed they only needed to lock down until they got vaccinated in which case they’d developed immunity and couldn’t spread it to their relatives and friends. It was all bs All of it. How quickly people forget.

        D/ If you are a 95 year old dementia patient with diabetes and heart disease and may actually be vulnerable to perishing from covid. Then it’s worthwhile getting the vaccine. What harm can it do when you’re going to go walk with God in the next few weeks anyway.

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