What's Your Opinion on The Prices of New 4000 NVIDIA Series Cards?

QF99 on 21/09/2022 - 01:46
Last edited 21/09/2022 - 11:19 by 1 other user

4090 - $1599, Oct 12th availability
4080 16GB - $1199, no listed availability
4080 12GB - $899, no listed availability
All USD Pricing

Here are the specifications

According to their own rt benchmarks:
RTX 4090 =
2X perf GeForce RTX 3090 Ti

RTX 4080 16GB =
Twice as fast as the GeForce RTX 3080 Ti

RTX 4080 12GB =
More performance than GeForce RTX 3090 Ti

Though I would wait for benchmarks from reviewers. I doubt the overall performance would be 2x

Here's a link to a giveaway to a 4080 16gb

Mod Update: AU Pricing

  • GeForce RTX 4090 - Starting at AUD 2,959 (Available on October 12th)
  • GeForce RTX 4080 - 16GB Starting at AUD 2,219, 12GB Starting at AUD 1,659 (Coming November)
Computing Computer Component Nvidia Video Card

Comments

  • snep on 21/09/2022 - 01:55
    +5

    Jensen still trying to milk us…

    I was expecting them to raise prices, but not quite by this much.

    Seems to have caught the majority's expectations offguard though. $699 3080 16gb, I wish…

    Looks like last-gen cards will be very competitive on price/perf if raytracing isn't a primary concern.

    Big chance for amd to jump into the gap in the market though. If they could launch a 7800xt at $699 it would go a long way towards increasing their market share.

    • S1nn3r86 on 21/09/2022 - 02:24

      I'm expecting $900-$1000 for the 7800xt. $700 would be awesome but i cant imagine them going that low

      • snep on 21/09/2022 - 11:24
        +1

        You're probably right, Lisa will be rubbing her hands together right now. AMD can have their cake and eat it too: something like a 7800xt at $800-900 would undercut Nvidia by a few hundred dollars, and still likely increase margins…

        • S1nn3r86 on 22/09/2022 - 19:38
          -1

          $800 makes the most sense for the 7800xt if Amd want to make a huge dent in marketshare. If they take a lot of nvidias customers it could be massive for AMD. But i dont know if they have the balls to do that and they might take the easy money. I really hope they go for nvidias throat , they have the perfect opportunity to stick it to nvidia and embarrass them

    • jasswolf on 21/09/2022 - 05:06

      The current 4080 pricing is extremely reliant on DLSS 3 adoption. So unless there's something about the shader pipeline changes that will see developers provide game engine updates that substantially boost performance without it, I just don't see this pricing lasting.

      AMD's RX 6800 series should mess with NVIDIA's plans despite not being as feature rich.

    • kehuehue on 21/09/2022 - 11:13

      Didnt J2C explain the video what Jensen was going to do, I was expecting higher prices and when core counts were leaked it was pretty much a given that they would keep higher prices to help AIBs clear stock.

      AMD might join in on the fun or hopefully crash the party.

  • Vinodra on 21/09/2022 - 02:03
    +18

    AU MSRP

    4080 12GB - $1659
    4080 16GB - $2219
    4090 - $2959

    At nearly $1500USD converted for the 4080 16GB Jensen can shove his new RT cores and DLSS 3 where the sun dont shine.

    Those prices are before AIB and retailer markups.

    • Sxio on 26/09/2022 - 18:25

      I paid $1400 for a 3080 at the height of the crypto rush and had STRONG reservations about spending so much on a card.

      $2200 for the equivalent next gen card is very, very high. Totally knocks me out of the running to buy one. Even if I get $600 for my 3080 I still need $1600 to buy the 4080. That's just too much for me.

      Tbh I'm still really pleased with my 3080. I'm an enthusiast though, I like having a strong rig but this is waaaaaaay too rich for my blood.

  • S1nn3r86 on 21/09/2022 - 02:22
    +3

    The 4080 pricing is honestly terrible lol. I feel like they've done this on purpose to upsell to the 4090. The 4080 is quite gimped compared to the 4090. I was expecting $1000 usd for the 4080. If amd comes out with a competitive price for the 7800xt ill end up going that route , the ball is in amd's court. If the 7800xt is priced $1000 usd or less and is similar in performance in rasterisation its an easy decision

  • QuickdraW on 21/09/2022 - 03:50
    +6

    Skipping straight to scalper prices, nvidia is the market leader for their efficiency.

  • aussieprepper on 21/09/2022 - 04:02
    +6

    Why the fark would you have 2 versions of the 4080 but they are so different? why not name one a TI model? Not to mention the prices are insane, enjoy Nvidia fan boys!

    • duckduckering on 21/09/2022 - 09:25
      +5

      Because if they called it by it's real name (4070), the 4070 ($899 USD) would launch at a higher base retail price than the previous generations 3080 flagship ($699 USD).

  • Buyingcrap on 21/09/2022 - 04:51
    +3

    The prices are ridiculous, was hoping to upgrade from the 1080 this gen but I'm not sure what to do now. When are all these crypto thrashed second hand 3070's going up for sale?

    • Vinodra on 21/09/2022 - 08:30

      Go AMD.

      THE 7800XT will probably be 95% as fast as the 4080 16GB at like half the cost. Same with the 7900XT if you were thinking about the 4090.

      • S1nn3r86 on 22/09/2022 - 19:41
        -1

        I actually think the 7800xt will edge out the 4080. The 4080 is heavily gimped compared to the 4090. Its actually only 25 percent faster than the 3090ti in the 3 games they benchmarked that were like for like comparisons. The rest of the benchmarks are useless since they were dlss performance vs dlss 3 which artificially inserts frames . Some comparisons were even native vs dlss 3 lol sleazy marketing benchmarks

  • sane on 21/09/2022 - 07:12
    +12

    NVidia are frankly still in living in la la land. They think they can anchor the today's prices to mining prices, but its a different world now and frankly nobody NEEDS the high power (literally), high price cards. If you are making games, you are targeting the console levels of performance.

    What this does do is give AMD lots of options. If they want to they can ape these pricing levels and make a mint, or they can undercut them by significant amounts and gain market share, or a combination of the two (my guess) where they price the top model at silly money (if it can beat the 4090) and the more reasonable models at maybe $200 less than the overpriced NVidia efforts.

    Oh and the 4080 12gb is actually the 4070 Ti - you're fooling nobody NVidia.

    • S1nn3r86 on 22/09/2022 - 19:43

      Not even a ti ..just a straight up 4070. Its actually 10 percent slower than the 3090ti in the only 3 trustworthy benchmarks shown. The rest were unfair comparisons against dlss 3 which inserts frames so they're bullshit lol

      • sane on 22/09/2022 - 20:50
        +1

        When you look at the specs of the AD104 chip from before the launch of the 4080(cough) there were two specs. The 60SM 192bit, 285W variant which seems to have miraculously become the 4080 12GB, and the 56SM, 160bit, 250W variant, which is yet to see the light of day.

        4070 Ti and 4070 standard, if anything makes sense.

        The 3090 sits neatly between the two, meaning the overpriced $900 pseudo 4070 Ti doesn't encroach on the sales of old 3090 stock - by virtue of being slightly faster.

        Each of the new launches needs to lose $300 off the price to be in keeping in place with the order of things - we will see if people fall for the overprices.

  • Ryanek on 21/09/2022 - 07:47
    +1

    DLSS 3.0 only works with the 4000 RTX card. What tha.

  • PensionerXXL on 21/09/2022 - 07:51
    +1

    they have to price high, because they are still competing against themselves in terms of all the 3000 series stock in warehouses and inbound to ebay from the mining crash
    hopefully means good news for all the 3000 series cards, people should be able to get them about 1/2 the price of what they are worth now

    makes no sense buying a 3090ti for 2000-2200 aud when you can get 2 - 4x perf for a few hungie more

  • FireRunner on 21/09/2022 - 08:28

    Anyone else triggered by the naming.
    If they're both called RTX 4080 then they should be the same just with different VRAM.
    Call the better one the Ti or Super if they already had other plans for a RTX 4070

    • Ryanek on 21/09/2022 - 09:00

      I think they did this because there's such a huge difference between the 4080 16gb and the 4090 that they can still release a 4080 Ti down the line.

      • FireRunner on 21/09/2022 - 09:10

        Call the better one the 4080 Super then
        Or the lesser one 4070 Ti/4070 Super
        It’s so stupid, how do such bad naming schemes get approved?

        • kehuehue on 21/09/2022 - 11:13
          +1

          Supers only happened in one generation i think and usually get released as a refresh of an existing lineup.

          • FireRunner on 21/09/2022 - 11:25

            @kehuehue: True but I’m just thinking any distinction to indicate that these aren’t the same card would be better

  • Fredfloresjr on 21/09/2022 - 08:45

    Been waiting for this and will cop straight if luck is with me.

  • paul09 on 21/09/2022 - 08:59
    -2

    I'll buy a 12gb 4080, the 4090 is a bit much. Currently on a 3080

    I hope AMD comes with something competitive, I feel like it's getting close and might be possible this generation but I'm still not really confident. RDNA2 was hyped in the extreme by the same people and just wasn't better than nvidia lol. I also feel AMD still suffers from being the 'budget' option missing or behind on premium features. I know AMD fanboys probably get highly butthurt but reality is DLSS is still better than FSR and nvidia has been consistently around 2-3 years ahead on major features like this (another example - gsync, which is also still better than freesync)

    • FireRunner on 21/09/2022 - 09:23
      -1

      Anyone who thinks AMD is better in terms of performance or features is kidding themselves.
      However, they do excel in value. Whether the extra features and performance Nvidia offers is worth the price premium will depend on the individual and use case but I’d say most would be satisfied with AMD’s offerings

      • AnotherHuman on 22/09/2022 - 15:11

        AMD is forced to be better at rasterisation performance/price than Nvidia to get sales given the premium that Nvidia is able to command for their exclusive features.

        The rumoured specs of the 7900xt should have it perform somewhere between the 4090 and 4080 16GB on non RT/DLSS games.

        It's going to be very interesting to see how they compare.

        • paul09 on 29/09/2022 - 10:38

          so exactly the same as the 6800xt/6900xt was? Except for the relatively tiny raw performance/price saving you miss out on RT and had no DLSS(which blew the performance difference out completely), freesync not as good as gsync etc …if that happens again, then yeah I'll have no interest in AMD again, I'm hoping they do a bit better

    • KingSlayyer on 21/09/2022 - 10:48
      +1

      Just in case you didn't know: the 4080 12gb is a cut down version and really should've been called 4070. So might not be much of an upgrade.

      • paul09 on 29/09/2022 - 10:30

        Haha yeah, I missed that detail - thanks. Really stupid on nvidia part, why would they do that…

    • S1nn3r86 on 22/09/2022 - 19:46

      I dont know why anyone would buy a 4080. They make no sense. The 4080 12gb is 10 percent slower than 3090ti. Its a 4070 named as a 4080 to trick people into thinking its worth the price. Its not a huge step up from the 3080 besides games with ray tracing

  • garetz on 21/09/2022 - 09:06
    +3

    This generation is the one worth skipping, the cost to performance ratio is just not worth it.

    • Ryanek on 21/09/2022 - 09:32
      +1

      Crikey, you're suggesting we HODL already?

      • garetz on 21/09/2022 - 09:37
        +4

        It's not about Hodling, its about picking which generation you want to spend your money on, if a video card lasts 3-5 years, then you shouldn't buy every generation of video card. I usually skip one generation if not 2 depending on price to performance.

        • nitens on 21/09/2022 - 10:04
          +7

          But if you're on a 10 series card you've already waited the two generations. And there's a lot of us! Got to love that they look like they will just about manage keeping the 30 series at close to launch RRP for some time yet.

          • scottySK on 21/09/2022 - 10:25
            +1

            @nitens: 1060 is the most used card currently across the world for gaming according to steam data

            • nitens on 21/09/2022 - 10:42

              @scottySK: Kind of what I said isn't it?… there's lots of 10 series cards out there waiting to be upgraded.

  • DarkOz on 21/09/2022 - 09:12
    +2

    Sorry Jenson, won't be buying your cards and support your black leather jacket collection.

  • howaaronic on 21/09/2022 - 09:58

    With EVGA out of the equation, who's next on the heirarchy? High-end Colorful SKUs? ASUS? MSI?

    Or should we just go AMD…

  • Michael1983 on 21/09/2022 - 10:24
    +1

    I'm on GTX760 and definitely want to upgrade to play comfortably in 1080p only all recent titles including AC Valhalla, Cyberpunk and metro Exodus and wWatch dog legion. What would be an interim solution for next say 2 years? was thinking of something cheap like GTX1660ti or shall I look for at least RTX2060? budget is up to 350-400 if possible. And in 2-3 years to jump on 4070ti at reasonable price.

    • nitens on 21/09/2022 - 10:38
      +1

      I'd keep an eye on second hand 3070s. Second hand 2080 supers are running at about 400 near me at the moment too.

    • forged on 21/09/2022 - 11:01

      Ex-mining 3070s and 3080s are beginning to flood the used market. In the next couple of months I'd expect prices to fall significantly.

  • scottySK on 21/09/2022 - 10:26
    +2

    Wait to see AMD offerings. Hopefully more value there

  • gromit on 21/09/2022 - 10:39

    price is a little steep out of the gate, especially with the flood of current gen cards on the market post mining bust. Think I will skip this gen unless pricing changes as nothing really overtaxes my 6800 at the moment (at least nothing I play or plan to play).

  • The Krat0s on 21/09/2022 - 11:06

    Looks like Jensen is looking to Coup up the losses from the Bitcoin fall.I will wait for AMD

  • kehuehue on 21/09/2022 - 11:16

    Cant wait to see retail prices. If its anything like thisarticle suggests (no source), its gonna be pretty crazy.

  • Crownie on 21/09/2022 - 11:36
    +3

    Most of the world is still in an economic downturn.
    So sick of GPU companies automatically increasing prices of latest models.
    What's even more disgusting is the "Aussie Tax" on top of all that.
    Lets screw over the little fish on an island by charging $500 more for a 16GB 4080.

  • jbird84 on 21/09/2022 - 11:48

    Thinking of starting to accumulate parts for my next pc. What's the consensus on whether 3000x cards will be coming down a bit in price after this announcement? And if so, when can a dip be expected? Or is a big drop out of the question given 4000xes are going to be so high?

    • kehuehue on 21/09/2022 - 11:53
      +1

      wait for AMD's announcement, i think thats when things start going downhill.

      if the retail prices for 3080s are still pegged at 1100-1300, used market will be around 900+, with lower models (galax/leadtek being lower priced)

    • nitens on 21/09/2022 - 11:56

      It's all a crystal ball at the moment. May see a slight dip in 30 series, but probably not by as much as people may have hoped, Looks like NVIDIA is setting the landscape for ~700USD 3080s to continue forwards for some months.

  • chris24803 on 21/09/2022 - 12:39

    To cut through the BS regarding performance, keep in mind that they are parading DLSS 3.0 performance gains, compared to the same games running DLSS 2.0 on 30xx. DLSS 3.0 is apparently providing ~50% increase and is doing the heavy lifting in all of these comparisons.

    In terms of pure rasterised performance, you can see here they seem to be providing anywhere from 1.5x to 2.2x compared to 30xx, not too impressive for cards which look to be 1.5x to 2x in price locally.

    So altogether, performance per $ doesn't appear to have moved much. DLSS 3.0 is coincidently exclusive to the 40xx series and is clearly being used to obfuscate actual performance gains. I expect the 4070 and 4060 to be drop in replacements for current 3080/3070 pricing, perhaps with a bit of value from DLSS but not much change in the way of performance.

    As a 1070 owner am I disappointed. Was looking to upgrade, but the debacle with 3080 availability/pricing, and subsequent destruction of the GPU market, pushed me hard towards console gaming and this doesn't change things. Perhaps the 50xx series will be when it's 'safe' to upgrade again (lmao).

    • nitens on 21/09/2022 - 16:04
      +2

      Just like Ray-tracing was 20 series exclusive… until it wasn't 6 months after 20 series launch. Not that you wanted to do RT on a 10 series.

      • FireRunner on 21/09/2022 - 17:38

        At least it made sense - the 10 series lacked the hardware to effectively do RT. Unlocking the feature proved that
        This is locking it at the software level so old hardware isn’t allowed to use rather than not being able to.
        Hopefully DLSS 3.0 does get unlocked for older RTX cards eventually

  • Michael1983 on 21/09/2022 - 13:50

    And main question is - what sort of video game will utilize all the performance of 4090-4080 rtx cards?

    • FireRunner on 21/09/2022 - 17:35

      VR titles are always in need of more power.
      I guess anyone with a 120Hz+ 4K monitor would benefit from performance gains too

  • Emphasise on 21/09/2022 - 16:49
    +1

    Bit ridiculous DLSS 3.0 is only for the 4000 series when people just bought the 3000 series…

  • DmytroP on 21/09/2022 - 17:37

    I expected closer to 3-4K for 4090, it's probably what we will see for the better version of AIB cards.

  • AnotherHuman on 22/09/2022 - 15:39
    +1

    It's interesting that the 4090 actually only costs $1599 USD if you compare it to the $699 USD of the Ryzen 9 7950X.

    Nvidia 4090 vs Ryzen 7950X:

    • 4090 (608 mm2 TSMC 4nm) is more than twice the die area of a 7950X (2 * 71mm2 TSMC 5nm + 122 TSMC 6nm) at a more expensive node with a very large die which will have much lower yields per wafer
    • 4090 has a large PCB vs the small substrate of 7950X (though perhaps the substrate is more expensive?)
    • 4090 also has 24 GiB GDDR6X, the full power delivery and components of a motherboard, plus heatsink, fans, connectors, etc.
    • Nvidia has poured a huge amount of money into the software side compared to what AMD spends on CPU tools R&D

    So it actually seems quite reasonable compared to the cost of 2 x 7950X + CPU cooler + AM5 motherboard + 24 GiB DDR5 RAM.

    (and I'm writing this as someone who doesn't own an Nvidia card and is not a fan of the way they operate).

    Am I missing something or do we just all have very different standards/expectations of what a GPU should cost vs a CPU?

  • Matthew xxl on 22/09/2022 - 17:06

    Hey. Is importing even possible these days?. Sure there's an import fee, but it's still a lot less than what we are being asked to pay through normal channels.

  • Matthew xxl on 22/09/2022 - 17:14

    Also. My thoughts on dlss3. Looks great. And it seems they made dedicated hardware for it. However it's usefulness depends on adoption rates. The way I see it is that if Nvidia has it plug in as easily as dlss 2.0, then I see a month moderate percentage of developer's back porting it. And most if not all including it in new titles. Since most mainstream games now support it, that "30 supported" could baloon into hundreds in a year's time, and with remix that could mean we see many classics remastered with it too.

    However if it takes significantly more resources to engineer than dlss 2 and requires more integration, developer's will skip it entirely. Since they often will choose not to add something if it's not handed to them on a golden ready to serve platter. In that case, dlss 3s slow adoption and few exclusives wouldn't be worth it's price.

  • edfoo on 22/09/2022 - 22:04

    Muahahaha, I'm not surprised with these high prices. I don't see the AMD's new offerings will be much cheaper than these either.
    Are the HODLers for new gen GPUs feeling the pain now?

  • Ali 1 on 25/09/2022 - 23:29

    Please guys can i get the first batch of 4090 series on amazon?

    • edfoo on 26/09/2022 - 10:46

      Maybe ask Amazon?

      • Ali 1 on 26/09/2022 - 17:21

        I asked them and they didn't know ：（

        • edfoo on 26/09/2022 - 18:08

          Well you heard it from the horse's mouth then.

  • JensenHuangAndHis on 27/09/2022 - 02:16

    New gen new prices, and new Leather Jackets. I think the prices are absolutely fantastic !

  • kkze93 on 29/09/2022 - 11:29

    I bought a 3080 earlier this year and stopped bothering with Ray Tracing. Maybe it's CP2077 being the issue, but enabling RTX and DLSS ends up causing too much shimmering. A 4080 priced this high is just no value.

    At this point, I'm just hoping for RX 7800XT to be a step-up gain from 6800XT… though I am not too hopeful with the prices. I can expect the card to cost $1,400 - $1,600, which is still cheaper than 4080 16G (Albeit too expensive for my budget). It does make the current pricing of 6800XT much more appealing.

  • ry34 on 03/10/2022 - 12:59

    Benchmarks for DLSS3 vs DLSS performance look great but I'm not convinced. I'll decide once I see some real-world benchmarks for games I currently play. My 3090 seems to be handing everything I throw at it (4k/120hz) at the moment.

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