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Synology DS920+ 4-Bay Diskless NAS $728.10 ($711.92 with eBay Plus) Delivered @ Computer Alliance via eBay
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Thanks for taking out time to bless us with this precious information mate.
Why?
Much better for security vulnerabilities.
Not that anyone here could care less, but I own both types.
I equate QNAP (QTS 5) to Android and Synology (7.1) to iOS.QNAP feels less integrated but more feature rich. I think I'd give a slight edge to Synology for usability, however I can't think of anything either does remarkably better than the other.
Docker runs on the Syno. Plex, NZB and torrents run on QNAP.
@raybies: FWIW, NZB and torrents also run on the Syno. There are tutorials online for adding Plex via docker, though I haven't used it so couldn't say how good it is.
@MikeK: I know, but the QNAP is in the DMZ as an ingress/egress, while the Syno is in the internal domain it's also running Plex native, but just for archived content so never gets used.
Also the Syno boots up 5x faster, both using the same SSD for OS/Apps.
HODL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAIT FOR Synology DS920+ Running 3090 Ti
Already got one.
waiting for DS923+
fwiw DS920 is going to be 2 years old model now.
I disagree. I prefer synology and yes I have owned both.
Thats true. It wasn't me who downvoted you either
@jv: what is being woke got to do with NAS. People still say woke? You are a strange kind of grown up.
Thankfully you're both right since all you've stated is your personal preference.
here comes the Ford v Holden arguments
It's so stupid when Subaru is clearly better
BMW obvs. saving up on the blinker fluid.
Where do you sit on lexcens? Because obviously a raspberry PI hooked up to a dot matrix printer printing out the 1s and 0s is better!
pics or it didn't happen.
I was looking at QNAP TS 464 but after reading many comments that Synology has better interface/software, i am tempting towards Synology but now you are saying that QNAP is better for starters, can you explain please ?
I've been out of the game for a while, but my understanding back in the day was;
QNAP better for nerds who want to access and customise every little thing.
Synology better for people who still want an advanced NAS device but want a bit more user friendly nature.Yes I agree with this. They are both good but QNAP is better to get into the guts.
Thank you for solidifying my decision to go with Synology.
Honestly not sure why u got downvoted. Its ur opinion and never forced anyone to it so i wonder what got most people butt hurt for no reason lol
Picked up this NAS about a month ago and it's a powerhouse
It is a NAS - what else do you think it is doing all day? Crunching NASA data? If you are interested in it for its server performance, it is still pretty good. It handles a Plex server, Minecraft server, Download station, comicbook and audiobook server with ease for me.
What do you use to play your audiobooks from it? Interested to do this on mine.
@Eddy271: I used to run a specific media/audio server (which I can't remember the name of at work), but now I am using Plex server to manage it and Prologue app on iOS and Chronicle on Android. Works very well for us.
If you are interested in it for its server performance, it is still pretty good. It handles a Plex server,
No its not, a Celeron J4125 with 4GB (upgradeable to 8GB) can’t be considered “pretty good” for even basic home server use cases. While this can run a plex server for serving videos it can’t even transcode 4K content ( I admit this is not a requirement for many, but since you brought up Plex I'm just saying this can't be used as a fully fledged Plex server) . With such a small memory and a weak CPU you can’t realistically run VMs , multiple docker containers etc. This is a very poor choice for a home server at this price point, because you can build a PC with something like a Ryzen 5600G that has 10x the CPU power with 4x the amount of RAM (16GB) for ~$100 cheaper !
This is ok as a basic NAS for someone who wants an off the shelf plug and play product, but for anyone who wants something more I suggest building your own or buying a pre-built desktop and creating your own NAS with TrueNAS, Unraid, Linux or even Windows.
@opt: This isn't really the thing to buy if you're going to run VMs and Docker containers and not everyone who want a NAS want to build one themselves.
For just storing important files and maybe running a couple of small applications you don't need a super powerful machine with a 550watt power suply, you're just wasting money.
@ellos: True, which is why I said
This is ok as a basic NAS for someone who wants an off the shelf plug and play product
My post was mostly a reply to the previous comments about this being a “powerhouse” and having “pretty good server performance”, which this clearly isn’t.
For just storing important files and maybe running a couple of small applications you don't need a super powerful machine with a 550watt power suply, you're just wasting money.
Yes, you don't need such a powerful machine for a NAS and light computing, but having said that you are not wasting much (if at all any) money getting a desktop either. Just because a PC has a 550W PSU doesn't mean its drawing 550Ws from the wall all the time. New CPUs and PSUs are extremely power efficient, the fastest desktop PC I have is an old i7-6700K/16GB/RTX2600 with a 500W PSU, when idling or doing very light tasks like web browsing it only draws less than 40W from the wall (I have measured this with a power meter). I recon newer CPUs are a lot better, so my guess is the actual power consumption of a new desktop when doing light tasks like serving files over a network will probably consume 15~20W more than a Celeron. That translates to ~$40 a year in electricity costs (@30c kWh). So its not a huge waste of money (also remember you are paying less upfront for the desktop) , but if you ever need more computing power you have abundance of it at your fingertips at little to no extra cost. Therefore for anyone who is capable and or willing to build or invest some time on setting up a PC as a NAS its a no brainer.
@opt: Well, I do not have the 920, but I have 918+, and I can tell you that it can HW transcode 2x 4k streams, tested many times.
The rest apply to all NAS and you can copy/paste to any dedicated NAS deal, as you might be able to put up together a better spec yourself.
In the 918+, 920 the memory can be upgraded. For gods' sake, I am running 16 docker instances on 1815+ without any issues (anything from the movie management (Lidarr, Radarr, Sonarr, SABnzbd,…), Grafana pack (incl DB, collectors), Home Assistant, PiHole, Paperless with all the dependencies, SmokePing, Stash, TubeSync, ….)
No need for more power.Well, I do not have the 920, but I have 918+, and I can tell you that it can HW transcode 2x 4k streams, tested many times.
Hmm.. up on further reading looks like the 920 can do up to 4k SDR (But not HDR) transcoding with hw acceleration that requires a $6.50 per month Plex pass. I stand corrected..
@opt: The value proposition for the market that buys these is modularity. They are more appliance like to use than a PC with a "normal" os, which has its advantage in some use cases. Horses for courses.
While this can run a plex server for serving videos it can’t even transcode 4K content
Plex NAS compatability chart disagrees with you.
@opt: I don't think I can agree with you there.
I'm using my old gaming machine with a AMD Ryzen 7 1700, with 32GB of memory. I run 25 containers which seems to increase 1-2 containers each month and use jellyfin apposed to PLEX. While these are pretty decent specs for a home server I'm averaging out at 1% total CPU usage with a peak over the last 30days at 3% total CPU usage. I also use on average ~3.5GB of memory.
Additionally many of my colleagues at work run a home media server docker stack on a raspberry Pi 4.
Obviously the caveat here is the workloads/containers that you are running but I don't think it's fair to say "that can’t realistically run VMs , multiple docker containers". In fact I would say that you should be able to run the typical home media server docker stack on this just fine.
@opt: You have no idea what you're talking about.
I have this NAS with the included 4GB of RAM and I currently have 7 docker containers running (Headphones, Radarr, Sonarr, Lidarr, Transmission, etc) along with plex serving multiple people simultaneously both on the local network and remotely. Runs perfectly without a hiccup. Does 4K too. You can also simply add another 4GB of RAM if you want to run VMs, but it's not needed for anything else.
This is without doubt the best bang for your buck home NAS/media server you can get.
You can be sarcastic but I think there are still some potato speced NAS units on the market at the lower end.
I have one gathering dust that is a dual-core Marvell Armada (armv5TE) and 256mb of memory…
when i purchased mine i added 16gb of RAM for 20gb total. its overkill but RAM is cheap
i mean youre spending $700+ on an overpriced box who cares about another $100 on 16gb of ram for your powerful celeron. im sure itll be able to use all 20gb ram on 4 cores
i wish i can afford power and house
Can confirm, mine has been a completely unregrettable purchase.
I could never see the value in these NASboxes. I get better functionality from a $87 ivy bridge HP SFF machine running openmedavault. About the same physical size too.
But how many drives can you put in the HP SFF machine?
Easy enough to get a PCIe SATA expansion card and connect at least more than 4.
Also any 5 year old workstation will essentially do the same job for a fraction of the price. This deal is for people who don't like to figure out software options.
This is what I'm actually trying to do now. I need support for at least 8 drives, but feel anything I build new is far too much power for what I need.
this is the real question. Plus transcoding is better on this Synology. And the ecosystem.
I'm pretty sure transcoding performance depends just on what codecs the CPU/GPU supports for hardware transcoding. I assume all these servers use FFMPEG software for transcoding.
NAS is for people who want low power out of the box functionality without having to faff around to get even basic things working. I know plenty of IT people using them who have no desire to spend their free time stuffing around. They want to use the functionality not spend time setting it up.
3 drives. 2x 3.5", 1 2.5"
I use a HP EliteDesk 800 G1 SFF with i5 4690 8GB ram. Can go up to 16GB. Costs $150 delivered. Was running Openmediavault & NextCloud but switched to Xpenology DSM 7.0. Basically no different to a genuine Synology except I can't use Quickconnect. No biggie. Just use OpenVPN. Probably safer anyway. With 2 drives power draw is 36 Watts idle, 40-50 Watts busy. DS920 is probably 20W and 30W respectively but 4690 is 80% twice faster than Celeron J4125 in the DS920. You do need a Haswell CPU or better for transcoding with Xpenology DSM though
That 4th gen i5 TDP is 84W vs 10W. It also can't hardware decode or encode HEVC, VP9, VP8 and I suspect it's h264 codec is probably inferior too (for encode).
Sure it would work fine for most purposes but it's not exactly like for like.
Four.
Two in the intended bays, one in the cdrom bay & 1 attached to the lid. Takes some improvisation to get all 4 in a SFF machine but once they are in its all secure.
or you can build your own microITX Celeron N5105 based machine from Aliexpress with multiple 2.5Gbit ports and use it as a router as well as NAS.
Can you shed some more light on this for me, please?
Just search N5105 PC on Aliexpress and you'll get a lot of result, but mostly in small router-size package so you'll need to use external enclosure over USB for NAS.
One system I've been looking at recently is Topton N1, which is a 2-bay NAS with Athlon 3050e + 4x GbE ports. However if you need 10 SATA drive supports, you'll need to look at much bigger case or 8-bay / 10-bay enclosure.
Something like this, for ~$300-$400
Celeron n5105/n6005 (the n6005 has hardware AV1 decoding)
4x2.5Gbit NICs
2xNVMe
6xSATA
HDMI2.0 + DP1.4
2xUSB3.0 + 4xUSB2.0
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004761402598.html?spm=a2…
You'd also have to buy a case, psu and RAM@Morien: Use a USB chassis for your drives like this - https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/hard-drives-&-ssds/enclo… - and you can use more than one…
You should also consider the power usage of the system when it's intended to be used 24/7. The DS920+ uses like 7w at idle. If a DIY solution uses 32w at idle; that 25w difference, running 24/7 at 35c/kWhr is $383 over a 5 year period.
I was about to write this exact comment. A huge benefit of these NAS units is reduced power draw.
True, but I also save over $600 on the original cost price. Comes out ahead in the end.
If you're a home owner and you care about power consumption, then you've probably got solar… The calculation is vastly different when you don't need to pay for the power in daylight.
I care about wasting power regardless which is why I don't bother with always on servers, just run a HTPC and turn it off when I'm not in front of it.
What if you're renting?
Yeah I really don't get it. I just use my desktop PC running StableBit DrivePool… currently up to 8 drives, now I need some kind of expansion card to get more. Sure beats paying $700 for a separate box that holds 4 drives lol.
Power usage mainly, mine is on 24x7 and uses a fraction of the power of the nuc sitting next to it
Yea that's what I though as well. I used to run a SFF debian with open media vault(OMV), docker and syncthing on my devices and a backup plugin to cloud.
Yes this solution worked fine. Debian and OMV were rock solid but I had issues with mounting of UBS storage devices after a restart, where they would not get mounted properly in the correct order. Also I had to constantly monitor the services and make sure syncthing was running. If something got messed up I had to reinstall everything from scratch. It was a lot of admin on my part.
After years of this setup I bought one of these from a previous ozbargain sale. Never looked back, everything just works and I don't have to muck around with my DS920+. Very easy to get the kids and wife setup with the Synology apps.
Agreed, I am using a nuc + usb external HDDs. More than enough to handle everything than NAS box does, and easy to use.
Got this box last month, waiting for a good deal of discs
Not sure if Synology supports GDODs.
Remember to buy all the disks at roughly the same time, from different vendors.
It's not always practical to wait for sales unless it's something like "Black Friday" where many vendors will be discounted.
lol. thx mate. already got 2 8T ironwolf discs from last night's offer. 2 for $480 and can get $50 GC back. Should be a good deal. Wating Black Friday and get 2 more.
thanks for the message, bought one!:)
@jv I was looking at QNAP TS 464 but after reading many comments that Synology has better interface/software, i am tempting towards Synology but now you are saying that QNAP is better for starters, can you explain please ?
What ever Synology NAS you're planning to get, make sure it is a non-ARM based chip (E.g. Intel or AMD). I'm regretting my DS418+ purchase cause it's ARM and I can't run Docker on it :(
I can't run Docker on it
QNAP is perfect for running containers
No it is not, It depends on if the QNAP processor can support it. It requires the Docker image to be compiled for the specific processor, if its not, then you're out of luck.
Like I said, Intel or AMD based (x86) and you're good, QNAP or Synology.
No it is not
Yes it is… Mine worked fine when I played around with it a while back.
@jv: You're not reading my post. Not ALL ARM processors from QNAP are supported. Whether you're using Container Station or custom Docker images for your specific ARM processor, it may not be compiled for.
Just cause it worked for you does not mean you can pick any QNAP NAS off the shelf and get it working with Docker. Legitimately trying to warn people out there for their purchases, you're just trolling.
@lunchbox99: For sure :) Just pointing out that there's a difference between "can't run" and "can't easily run".
So is the Synology DS920+
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