"the bird is freed" Elon Musk and Twitter

ozhunter on 29/10/2022 - 07:08
Last edited 29/10/2022 - 12:35 by 1 other user

Elon Musk has seemingly been undecisive on whether he is wants to buy Twitter, but it now looks like that dilemma is over.
To avoid a trial, a judge ruled that Elon Musk had until October 28 to close his acquisition of Twitter. He has done so and is now the Chief Twit. He explains why he bought Twitter

Basically he says he wants to help humanity but doesn't want Twitter to be a "free-for-all hellscape" I guess there's Gab for that šŸ˜‚

I wonder if this part of the reason why Paypal will start charging users(at least in the US) a USD $2,500 fee per violation of its Acceptable Use Policy which includes misinformation?

No account reinstatements yet, but is there any account that OzBargainers are looking forward to be reinstated?

Title is a quote from the Chief Twit's twitter.

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      • Gervais fanboy on 05/11/2022 - 12:12
        +1

        And we all know how much you love moderation and censorship, of all peopleā€¦

        I would expect you to stay consistent with your ā€˜its a private business and they can do what they wantā€™ energyā€¦.

        • SBOB on 05/11/2022 - 12:30

          And we all know how much you love moderation and censorship, of all peopleā€¦

          "We" do..strange.
          Can you remind me when/where I've posted strongly in favour of censorship and how I love censorship of all people?

          Or is this one of those assumed bias you're just projecting on me?

          And are you not in favour of private businesses having freedom to operate how they want under current laws? I was unaware you were against that, and more of the pro communism type stance. But thanks for clarifying

          • Gervais fanboy on 05/11/2022 - 13:41
            +1

            @SBOB:

            Can you remind me when/where I've posted strongly in favour of censorship and how I love censorship of all people?

            Are you telling me that on the topic of censorship, you have never made a comment on how ā€˜private companies are free to operate how they see fitā€™ ?

            Or is this one of those assumed bias you're just projecting on me?

            Oh right
            Something like this ?
            (https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/12890310/redir)
            Because last time I checked Twitter was still freeā€¦ Btw Iā€™d rather have a degree of bias than just out flat lie about something and never even admit it.

            favour of private businesses having freedom to operate how they want under current laws?

            And I Never said otherwise, made comments in the past about government collusion and unlawful interference into the private sector but all those facts are inconvenient rnā€¦ Iā€™d rather have you imply stuff that I never wrote.

            Btw donā€™t worry, you are the hypocrite socialist reaping the benefits of a capitalist economy whilst reading this on a smart deviceā€¦NOT ME.

            more of the pro communism type stance

            Hey, atleast we know where you stand.

            • SBOB on 05/11/2022 - 13:53

              @Gervais fanboy:

              you have never made a comment on how ā€˜private companies are free to operate how they see fitā€™ ?

              Within current laws, yes…free market and all. I thought that's what right leaning people loved?
              Unsure how that automatically means "strong in favour of censorship and love applying censorship to everyone", but perhaps my long bow skills aren't as evolved as.

              So now, being in favour of companies being free to operate as they wish (as you just claimed I have commented many times), within the bounds of current laws, makes me a socialist. That is indeed some excellent analysis :/

              Strange tangent rant to go on considering it's Elon that's posted how he's still carrying on with current twitter moderation (moderation isn't censorship btw…. Seems increasingly common that people can't tell the difference between the two)
              Elon, the hipocratic socialist.

              Apologies if his tweet triggered or annoyed you.

              • Gervais fanboy on 05/11/2022 - 19:34
                +1

                @SBOB:

                Within current laws, yesā€¦free market and all.

                Oh great, you admitted that already
                Case closed. Cheers šŸ„‚

                I thought that's what right leaning people loved?

                No, the ā€˜right leaningā€™ love the separation of state and private sectorā€¦.
                You will keep skirting around the issue of how Bidenā€™s FBI had Twitter and FB censor contrary viewpoints.
                Given, itā€™s all public nowā€¦ coz not so long ago ago people like you were calling people like me ā€˜conspiracy theoristsā€™ for alleging just thatā€¦
                But now I have you doubling down talking about ā€˜free marketā€™ when you have zero clue of what it actually means.
                I have had to clear this up twice now.

                how that automatically means "strong in favour of censorship and love applying censorship to everyone

                When you have one side being scrupulously censored and not the other.
                Thatā€™s textbook censorship right there.

                So now, being in favour of companies being free to operate as they wish

                Great, I just wanted to make sure that you keep the same energy, now that eLoN has taken chargeā€¦
                You are now talking about $8 Twitter, when Twitter has been the $5 Twitter (Blue) from before he ever took overā€¦
                I never saw you whinge about that ?
                Why ?
                My guess, you didnā€™t even know. Didnā€™t know coz you werenā€™t digging.

                makes me a socialist.

                Your ā€˜long bow skillsā€™ are just fineā€¦
                I called you a socialist based on the dozens of past interactions I have had with youā€¦
                You know that and until you deny it, this is just another straw man that you had to pull.

                Apologies if his tweet triggered or annoyed you.

                Its Infuriating** sure.. Iā€™ll give you that.

                Coz itā€™s the triggered mob that dislike/report comments and posts.
                And thatā€™s you and your cronies, never me.

                • SBOB on 05/11/2022 - 20:14

                  @Gervais fanboy: man, must be tough and stressful projecting on everyone whose views don't align with yours this level of the assumption they are 100% ranting in favour of the opposite.

                  You will keep skirting around the issue of how Bidenā€™s FBI had Twitter and FB censor contrary viewpoints.
                  Given, itā€™s all public nowā€¦ coz not so long ago ago people like you were calling people like me ā€˜conspiracy theoristsā€™ for alleging just thatā€¦

                  so from 'Elon says tweeted that twitter will maintain its current moderation" to "Bidens FBI" rants.. How does that have anything to do with Elon's tweet or my comments.That is indeed a wild ride and perfectly sums up whatever it is you're arguing about.

                  Thanks,
                  Signed me and some 'cronies' I didn't know I hung out with

                  • Gervais fanboy on 05/11/2022 - 21:12

                    @SBOB:

                    man, must be tough and stressful projecting on everyone whose views don't align with yours this level of the assumption they are 100% ranting in favour of the opposite.

                    Coming from the guy who explicitly told me that he could never for the life of him agree with me on any issues ever because you already disagree with me in an ideological senseā€¦.
                    I bet you didnā€™t say that either ?

                    so from 'Elon says tweeted that twitter will maintain its current moderation" to "Bidens FBI" rants.. How does that have anything to do with Elon's tweet or my comments

                    It has got nothing to do with it, you are rightā€¦
                    Itā€™s got everything to do with you talking about ā€˜$8 speechā€™
                    You still havenā€™t recanted that bogus point, given Twitter has always had a paid service to it and itā€™s still free to operate for users like you and me..

                    I just urge you to have the same energy as you did before about how ā€˜private companies should have the right to operate as they see fitā€™
                    I pointed this point out earlier but you would rather tell me (wrongly) that I donā€™t agree with it myself.
                    Whereas I unlike you support the private enterprise despite corrupt political pressuresā€¦ but a socialist in typical fashion loves the big government, the nanny state.

                    some 'cronies' I didn't know I hung out with

                    Cronies aka the people you feel ideologically aligned with, so you never call them out anytime ever despite them outright lying, cursing or slandering peopleā€¦
                    We have covered this before and you stopped replyingā€¦ You do this every time you know you know you have been cornered.
                    I quoted examples from Vote 4 Pedro, you read his comments that were vile and outright wrong but never objected, disliked or reported them.
                    And you were instead more keen on arguing me with about socialist society vs socialist economy.
                    Yes, you do have a ā€˜croniesā€™ that you feel politically aligned with.

                    • SBOB on 05/11/2022 - 21:38

                      @Gervais fanboy:

                      "everyone whose views don't align with yours this level of the assumption they are 100% ranting in favour of the opposite."
                      "never for the life of him agree with me on any issues ever because you already disagree with me in an ideological senseā€¦. "

                      these are the same in the same way black and white are the only colours on a colour wheel.
                      Feel free to link to the post where i used a phrase such as 'idealogical sense' though in pointing out my disagreement with one of your views. Not sure I've ever used the phrase 'idealogical sense' in my life :)

                      I quoted examples from Vote 4 Pedro, you read his comments that were vile and outright wrong but never objected, disliked or reported them.

                      ugh, now i remember this idiotic point you tried to make previously.
                      The "You didnt call out this post for x,y,z so you're clearly in favor of x,y,z" stance.

                      My apologies that some other forum member hurt your feelings and I didnt stick up for you.
                      I hope you feel better at some point.

                      Thanks for playing

                      • Gervais fanboy on 05/11/2022 - 21:54
                        -2

                        @SBOB:

                        idealogical sense

                        Paraphrased itā€¦ I never said it was a direct quote.

                        Quote it ?
                        Give me some time to go back into our comments and Iā€™ll do that for yaā€¦

                        Not sure I've ever used the phrase 'idealogical sense' in my life

                        You donā€™t need to when all of your opinions are already geared that way.

                        The "You didnt call out this post for x,y,z so you're clearly in favor of x,y,z" stance.

                        You are not as bright as you think are

                        Distinction - I am not referring you to the comments from @VoteForPedro to make my point because you have been operating in a partisan sense for as far back as I can remember.
                        I referred you to the actual interaction you and I had where I had to quoted to you the comments from @VoteForPedro.
                        Thereā€™s a difference between the two.

                        now i remember
                        My apologies that some other forum member hurt your feelings and I didnt stick up for you.
                        I hope you feel better at some point.

                        No mate, you misremember.
                        Pedro mate called Slav a pedo multiple times without any merit or previous indication.
                        ( One of few causes that caused his account to be permanently restricted )

                        It had nothing to do with me or my ā€˜feelingsā€™ā€¦ I only used that example to highlight your biases and lack of integrity.

                        You know what, go ahead prove me wrong.
                        Give me examples of everytime or maybe just one time you objected to, corrected or lashed out at the likes of QuantamCat, J Chicken, Pedro etc etc, any of your most recognisable cronies.
                        Itā€™s not like you are shy or anything, you have 11000+ comments here, mostly about ā€˜engagingā€™ with people from the other political spectrum.
                        So go on, prove me wrong already..

                        and I didnt stick up for you.

                        And I really hope you donā€™t, everā€¦
                        Coz that would be the day that Iā€™d know I am on the wrong side of things..

          • trapper on 09/11/2022 - 12:47

            @SBOB:

            Can you remind me when/where I've posted strongly in favour of censorship and how I love censorship of all people?

            Funny how you don't like your view being characterised like this, while doing the exact same thing to others with statements like this

            Not looking good for those that hoped for a Twitter free from moderation or speech restrictions

            This is something that you imagined, the 'other side' is not hoping for an unmoderated cesspool.

            We are hoping for a Twitter free of political censorship and bias. A Twitter that doesn't ban people for going against the narrative, or tweeting harmless jokes.

            • SBOB on 09/11/2022 - 12:58

              @trapper:

              This is something that you imagined, the 'other side' is not hoping for an unmoderated cesspool.

              You're claiming there were zero people claiming or hoping that post Elon twitter would be free from moderation or censorship?

              His precious claims were he was going to make it an 'arena for free speech', and is against 'censorship that goes far beyond the law'.

              Is this not exactly what being free from moderation or speech restrictions would be?

              • trapper on 09/11/2022 - 13:10
                -1

                @SBOB:

                You're claiming there were zero people claiming or hoping that post Elon twitter would be free from moderation or censorship?

                No I'm not claiming that, there you go again with your mischaracterisations.

                His precious claims were he was going to make it an 'arena for free speech'

                Yes, an arena for free speech. Not an arena for abuse, fraud and whatever else you imagined it would be.

                • SBOB on 09/11/2022 - 15:25

                  @trapper: You seem to be misunderstanding what a "Twitter free from moderation or speech restrictions" would be.
                  I'm unsure where I claimed or hoped for a 'cesspool' or 'abuse, fraud, etc'..

                  Literally a 'twitter free from moderation and speech restrictions', in line with Elon's previous quotes regarding 'arena for free speech' and censorship in line with law requirements but no further. Its not going to happen, and pointing that out when Elon previously claimed it is the entire point.
                  Unless gaslighting and fawning over Elon's every move is your preferred method?

                  I would be in favor of a twitter where its the public square, everyone is freely verified, information posted must be clearly labelled when its not factual or news and any crazy people shouting on their soapbox's in the corner of the town square are free to do so within the speech/censorship limitations of the law/abuse/fraud, but also clearly labelled so those listening into such soapbox information are clearly informed that this is soapbox information and not necessarily factual or verified news information.
                  Exactly like a public square of the internet should be.
                  Won't happen though :)

                  • trapper on 09/11/2022 - 15:56

                    @SBOB:

                    You seem to be misunderstanding what a "Twitter free from moderation or speech restrictions" would be

                    There was never any suggestion that Twitter would have no moderation, this is something you have dreamt up on your own. And you're the one 'gaslighting' with these made up quotes.

                    Twitter is now free from political bias and censorship, speak your mind and you won't get canceled. The bird is freed.

                    • SBOB on 09/11/2022 - 16:04

                      @trapper:

                      speak your mind and you won't get canceled.

                      Unless you rename your account as a joke right?

                      • trapper on 09/11/2022 - 16:45

                        @SBOB: Impersonating another user was against Twitter rules before Elon took over, and still is now.

                        Were you expecting that rule to be dropped? Honest question.

                        • SBOB on 09/11/2022 - 17:36

                          @trapper: nope, Im glad he is enforcing the twitter rules, same rules that existed prior to his acquisition.

                          I just dont remember accounts clearly named as parody, despite explicitly not being marked as parody, being an issue in the past until now. Im sure there is plenty of parody accounts that didnt adhere to both the account name and bio account requirements the twitter ts and cs state (they may say parody in the bio line but the account name isn't clearly using words like parody, fake, commentary etc like the twitter details indicate they should)…
                          They have existed for quite some time without requiring a mass account closure round, so if anything he's enforcing some of those existing rules more strictly than prior.
                          .
                          As i said above, public square, everyone freely verified, fact and news posts/announcements easily identifiable from soapbox rants or misinformation, reduction or removal of abuse, fraud, scams etc would be a much improved twitter. Wont happen, but would be nice.
                          Probably also wouldnt be as profitable due to less engagement and therefore also unlikely when someone needs to recoup some $ on the $44billion (some of which isnt was borrwed and will be IOU's)

                          • trapper on 09/11/2022 - 21:27
                            +1

                            @SBOB: Which account was banned that you believe was parody?

                            • Gervais fanboy on 10/11/2022 - 09:48
                              +1

                              @trapper: ** crickets **

                            • SBOB on 10/11/2022 - 13:31

                              @trapper: I don't believe any were parody, though everyone's version of comedy is different

                              Calling users who renamed their accounts "parody accounts" is Elons words (and how twitter defines them) and claimed they were in volition due to not following Twitter's parody account rules.

                              And as such Elon is enforcing, to a higher standard/more stringently those existing twitter rules, which seemed to only happen after there was a large number of people renaming their accounts to be a certain person.

                              Im unsure what response you were hoping for or what 'got ya' cricket boy thought I was avoiding.

      • ozhunter on 06/11/2022 - 23:55

        Don't think anyone thought that it wasn't going to be moderated. It doesn't mean they are going to remove all the same comments as they did before. I don't think their hateful conduct policy is going away. But maybe they might not deem calling a biological male adult a man as hateful conduct and consider it as the truth(even if they think otherwise).

        Paying that kind of money along with all the investors, he was always going to bend the knew. With all his resources, I don't think Musk and the other investors ignored the possibility of massive exodus of twitter users or that advertisers stop putting ads on twitter. If so, he's quickly learning that free speech is isn't free.

        Some memes on Gab taking jabs at Elon for his purchase of Twitter. If you're not banned by Apple ,Google, Paypal, Visa are you really free speech? He should have with in with Gab imo.

        https://www.businessinsider.com/gab-elon-musk-drop-twitter-bā€¦

        .

  • isthisreallife22 on 05/11/2022 - 14:47

    A platform who's biggest stars are Trump and Musk is already a cesspool

    Not sure why people care so much about twitter tbh, it's hardly viewed by anyone based on my observations over the last decade. Yes some high profile folks use it to make press release type announcements, but it's far from the only place that happens.

    That said, by far the best thing on twitter is the ozbargain grocery bot ;)

  • illogicalerror on 09/11/2022 - 17:58

    I'm glad old mate Musky bought Twitter. Now coronavirus and war in Ukraine don't exist anymore.

    He's an ambassador for world peace and global health. Bravo.

    • SBOB on 10/11/2022 - 16:28

      blue ticks are now meaningless :)

      There should have been at least some differentiation between existing 'blue ticks', which were companies/people that were a known to be that person (eg company official twitter account, politicians, celebrities, high ranked business, reporters, media etc etc) that had actually been verified, and 'any random that pays $7.99 a month' for 'new' blue tick.

      Effectively lowered the bar for twitter information source trustworthy-ness, and puts more requirement on the reader to confirm the account reporting information is actually that person (before they then perhaps go and do some critical thinking to verify the information is accurate)

      • SBOB on 12/11/2022 - 17:28

        Ha, didn't even realise but they temporarily started rolling out white ticks to those users that were previously verified blue ticks users on Thursday, because they realised there was actual benefit of being able to clearly identify verified users.

        Then about 2 hrs later changed their mind and undid the updates.

        Clearly some well thought out business plans in the works :/

  • SBOB on 18/11/2022 - 15:13
    -1

    #RIPTwitter currently one of the hottest trending topics

    Twitter definitely improved since Elon took over, right…..right :/

    • isthisreallife22 on 18/11/2022 - 20:23

      I have no love for Twitter but that is more due to its users (and perhaps product managers) than engineers. It is quite unprecedented watching this unfold

    • ozhunter on 18/11/2022 - 21:21

      https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1593415171149791232?cxt=ā€¦

      https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1593459801966538755/photā€¦

      He's even joking about it lol.

      Apparently twitter usage is at another all-time high(up from last week's record), though doesn't mean much financially if advertisers aren't advertising.

      • SBOB on 18/11/2022 - 21:50

        I hear the Titanic deck visitor numbers were also up towards the end :)

        He's closed all offices, an absolute tonne of staff rejected his offer for keeping their jobs

        He can post memes all day, but seems like hes just running it into the ground now.

        Pretty impressive to see how quickly someone can tank a $44b purchase :)

        • ozhunter on 18/11/2022 - 22:29

          He's closed all offices, an absolute tonne of staff rejected his offer for keeping their jobs.

          For 3 days and yet it still seems to be running fine.

          It's not the only big tech company to be having a hard time, https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/09/tech-layoffs-2022.html

          Gab had a influx of users the other week and joked that maybe Elon does care about free speech and is tanking Twitter on purpose to drive users to Gab šŸ˜„

      • AS2035 on 20/11/2022 - 19:15

        if it's up that means bots are back for Trump.

        People are leaving as they are fed up wth Musk playing games.

        He is removing bans from ALL alt right wing hate and BS spreading accounts.

        All the regular people who were banned because alt right complained are staying banned.

        Alt right are now demanding which accounts they want unbanned and Elon is unbanning them.

        • ozhunter on 21/11/2022 - 08:49
          +1

          People are also joining, record high engagement apparently.

          He is removing bans from ALL alt right wing hate and BS spreading accounts.

          from all the people I don't like

          FTFY

          • quog on 21/11/2022 - 16:07

            @ozhunter: Get out of here with your truth.

            The mean scary tweets will return and lefty's will shriek.

    • ozhunter on 19/11/2022 - 16:38
      +1

      https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1593673339826212864?s=20ā€¦

      knew there was a catch, lol.

      So people won't get "banned" just shadowbanned for negative tweetsšŸ˜„

      • SBOB on 19/11/2022 - 18:43
        -1

        Yep, same or worse moderation than before, just less likely to get entire account banned maybe.

        (Though with staff numbers dwindling, no idea whose handling any moderation)

        And running a poll for allowing Trump back on.
        https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1593767953706921985?t=GVā€¦

        As if it's not a given now he's running for president again.
        Currently running about 55% voting yes.

          • SBOB on 20/11/2022 - 15:38
            -1

            @SBOB: Not like he just changes his mind on a whim, definitely some well defined business plans in place

            https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1586059953311137792?t=vQā€¦

            • ozhunter on 21/11/2022 - 08:46

              @SBOB: Lol, maybe he did have a content moderation council and had already decided to let Trump back on and the poll was just for funsies/help drive engagement on Twitter.

              If they openly said that they had formed content moderation council and that it decided to let Trump on, would it even matter? People will still think Elon used his position and really made the final decision.

              Trump still hasn't even tweeted yet.

        • SBOB on 22/11/2022 - 12:23
          -1

          Did I hurt the feeling of a musk fan?

  • ozhunter on 22/11/2022 - 16:05

    Some accounts that has been reinstated.

    Trump
    Babylon Bee
    Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene
    Kathy Griffin
    Jordan Peterson
    Andrew Tate
    Project Veritas
    Ye

    Alex Jones won't be getting his Twitter account back https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-explains-never-ban-speech-alexā€¦

  • ozhunter on 24/11/2022 - 09:55

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/elon-musk-finds-something-in-ā€¦

    #StayWoke

    Not surprised tbh

    • SBOB on 24/11/2022 - 10:28
      -1

      when context matters
      e.g.
      https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-mock-stay-woke-twitter-tsā€¦

      • ozhunter on 24/11/2022 - 10:35

        Ah ok if they say so

        "The #Stay work messaging was twofold 1) A call for awareness to the disproportionate police violence against Black people and 2) support for Black Employee and Black Twitter."

        Just my opinion but you'd think they throw in BLM in there. Maybe that NYT tech journalist who gave these reasons as to why they didnt.

        • SBOB on 24/11/2022 - 11:53
          -1

          More a point that Elon 'ridicules' the shirts (clearly trying to appeal to one sub-set of his twitter fan base) without providing any context as to why the shirts existed in the first place.

          Dunno, just expect hope for better from richest person in the world owning a large 'media' company whose trying to reduce moderation while making twitter a more open and informative platform.

          • ozhunter on 25/11/2022 - 00:30
            -3

            @SBOB: Just showing a bunch of tshirts he found lol. Funny how lefties getting so riled up about it.

            without providing any context as to why the shirts existed in the first place.

            This is hilarious as you just simply believe what the NYT journo says. A thief could break into someone's house and holding a tv, and you'd believe he is cleaning or just rearranging furniture.

            Better that the journo said nothing. Just looks like a sad and pathetic attempt of the NYT trying to defend the former Twitter employees.

  • Randolph Duke on 01/12/2022 - 11:40

    Have to give it to Elon - he managed a turn a shit hole like Twitter into a bigger shit hole. Speed running burning $44 billion.

  • SBOB on 02/12/2022 - 19:48

    Guess Twitter isn't "free" for Kanye to post on anymore.
    Strange as I don't think he broke any laws with his post content, which I thought was the account banning criteria now :/

    • harshbdmmaster718 on 03/12/2022 - 19:20

      At least Yi Long Ma's account is still up and running šŸ™‚
      https://twitter.com/mayilong0

    • ozhunter on 05/12/2022 - 19:36

      Strange as I don't think he broke any laws with his post content, which I thought was the account banning criteria now :/

      Don't think it was ever the criteria. That's Gab šŸ˜ƒ

      He's not reinstating Alex Jones either

  • harshbdmmaster718 on 03/12/2022 - 19:18

    Yi Long Ma says I love you!
    https://youtu.be/kYAasOTfrFM

  • SBOB on 13/12/2022 - 06:35
    -1

    Twitter will be "a common digital town square, where a wide range of beliefs can be debated in a healthy manner"

    Oh, and also
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1602278477234728960?t=kNā€¦

    I guess trolling is now a bot testing methodology and business decision.

  • SBOB on 15/12/2022 - 07:03

    My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456?t=deā€¦

    Guess he changed his mind on his free speech commitment…..

    • ozhunter on 16/12/2022 - 15:09
      +1

      Gab CEO Andrew Torba also banned.

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/twitter-suspends-faā€¦

      • SBOB on 16/12/2022 - 15:17

        yep

        As a private company they are free to apply whatever moderation they like… however ironic those moderation decisions may seem :)
        The fact some of these decisions go against decisions/comments that were made about how new twitter would be different from old twitter will likely be lost on many Elon fans though

        • Gervais fanboy on 16/12/2022 - 15:19
          -1

          They were doxing his childā€™s locationā€¦.

          I canā€™t believe you are still this chirpy over something like that.

          • SBOB on 16/12/2022 - 16:50

            @Gervais fanboy:

            They were doxing his childā€™s location

            They were not. It's not his kids plane, nor does it contain a passenger list.

            The same twitter feed has been repeating publically available flight info, info that's available publically elsewhere, and Elon explicitly said it would not be banned as he was in favour of free speech in a tweet only weeks ago.

            Ban it all he wants, it's his company, but you must also then be happy to admit that any other statement he makes about his free speech twitter is also as 'serious' as the one he just changed course about.

            Not chirpy about anything, but ignoring blatant contradictions in 'free speech public town square' mantra than Elon and his fans said would be different now Twitter isn't all left and woke is not exactly the better stance?

            • ozhunter on 16/12/2022 - 20:46

              @SBOB: Changed his mind on allowing people to dox a person's or their family's real time location? Meh. I think there will be more changes in the coming months. I doubt they have accounted for everything every time they make a change(eg. Twitter Blue lol)

              https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603602018727104513?s=20ā€¦

              On Thursday evening, Musk also suspended former MSNBC host Keith Olbermann, The New York Timesā€™ Ryan Mac, CNNā€™s Donie Oā€™Sullivan, Mashableā€™s Matt Binder, Micah Lee of The Intercept and independent journalists Aaron Rupar, Keith Olbermann and Tony Webster.

              Not surprised that it was journos from these companies that were involved.

        • ozhunter on 16/12/2022 - 20:39

          I think the lefty media has exaggerated what they think Twitter will allow. And lefties seem to think that "free speech" only means anything and everything will be allowed.

          Well twitter did unban some users for using a person's correct gender and allows covid and vaccines to be discussed more freely. That's two good things he's changed.

          • SBOB on 16/12/2022 - 20:46

            @ozhunter:

            lefty media has exaggerated what they think Twitter will allow

            Are Elons own tweets now lefty media?

            • ozhunter on 16/12/2022 - 21:06

              @SBOB:

              Are Elons own tweets now lefty media?

              Was referring generally to when Musk was taking over Twitter. "I thought he was supported free speech" cries if something isn't allowed on Twitter. Does every pro-abortion person support abortion without limits/restrictions. No. Same goes for free speech.

              • SBOB on 16/12/2022 - 21:27
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                @ozhunter: My quotes have all been from Elons own tweets. Exact quotes of his terms regarding commitment to free speech and common digital town square, where a wide range of beliefs can be debated

                The fact he now is running a poll (well, a second one as he didn't like the outcome of the first) as to when to unban the accounts he just banned, that he previously said he wouldn't ban (because he's committed to free speech)…well, that's just a pretty impressive summary of the state of things.

                If leftie media is over staring it perhaps righty media is just wearing blindfolds?

                • ozhunter on 16/12/2022 - 21:44

                  @SBOB: Wasn't just referring to you specifically.

                  The first poll seems to be more in his favor. https://ibb.co/SV3XJ4c

                  If leftie media is over staring it perhaps righty media is just wearing blindfolds?

                  Could be. The main topics that right have imo with censorship was in regard to topics such as elections, climate change, lgbt, transgenderism, covid, and vaccines and not things like doxxing or impersonating which the left gets antsy about . Quite the difference.

  • SBOB on 19/12/2022 - 08:37

    the acid test for any two competing socioeconomic systems is which side needs to build a wall to keep people from escaping? Thatā€™s the bad one!
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1533616384747442176

    Also, twitter ts and cs now updated to stop linking to many external sites, though strangely tiktok isn't one of them :/

    https://twitter.com/TwitterSupport/status/160453126179152281ā€¦

    Does that make twitter the bad one now?

  • Speckled Jim on 12/01/2023 - 10:44

    A lucky beneficiary of dot-com bubble V1.0 who used that payout to fund pure idiocy.

    Move Fast and Break Things!

    Yeah, including the Guiness World Record for loss of fortune.
    Nice one!

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