Looks to be a good price. I think delivery is free (I tried to purchase when not logged in and it did not try to charge me postage). Please let me know if it's not. Some info regarding the product in a previous post here.
Available for $225 as a special order at Bunnings, or $206.10 (ex GST), $226.71 at Mektronics
CamelCamelCamel.
No idea why my comment got automatically deleted
That's ridiculous
It was.only a link to wera set.on Amazon 🤷
And some information on similar kits
You might have amazon set up to generate affiliate links. Even the charity smile.amazon links might be getting filtered.
What about these various amzn.asia redirects popping up
If it has ?ref= in the link it'll get auto deleted. Should be postable if you delete all the crap after the item number in the link.
Are there any general go-to sets for tech types ?
I have one son about to finish his IT degree and another a year off.
I'd like to get them something useful for their IT and techy side interests ie nut drivers, ball drivers, torx, jewellers etc hopefully in one kit.
Oh that's awesome. Thank you.
Whatabout this set? I just browsed on Amazon.
Wera 5059295001 KK 60 Kraft Form Kompakt Nut Drivers 16 Pieces, 17 Pieces https://amzn.asia/d/54hhtvB
After buying that at $21.69 earlier this year, although cheap, it seems expensive now….
So you have evidence or a camel camel camel link I can follow?
So you have evidence or a camel camel camel link I can follow?
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/712880
I grabbed it then too and very happy with it. Though I did replace the screwdriver with a ratchet one as someone else suggested in the comments on that post.
@aragornelessar: Cheers I check camel camel camel and didn't show that price so couldn't work out how you go that price. Well done wish I was watching at the time
@Gusper: Yeah it was a such a good price, so maybe didn't last long enough for 3xcamels to pick up the price change
Any recommendations for a single set that would cover most home diy tasks? Would like a ratcheting set if possible.
Any recommendations for 5 star / point security hex tools?
My apolgoes, security torx as you've provided in your link. Thank you :)
The link was simply a reference, not a bargain by any means..
All good, I wasn't sure if you meant normal security Torx (6 point) or the type i linked to (5 point) as they are not very common at all.
Beware Amazon UK get confused and frequently send different (always lower $) models when the Wera product line varieties are so expansive.
Then the classic rodeo through a dozen customer support chat off-handing to someone else with generic responses
Thanks for your feedback. I haven't really bought much from Amazon UK so can't comment on their customer service.
Beware Amazon UK get confused and frequently send different (always lower $) models
FWIW I've ordered 32 Wera products from Amazon UK over the past two years and every single one was correct. The 33rd item should arrive this week.
While I don't think it's worth a neg on the post, I have had a single similar experience with Amazon UK, out of a dozen+ good experiences.
I bought an expensive Victorinox pocket knife, and was sent a base model, where someone had simply stuck the label of the more expensive model over the original label.
Getting it returned was no real hassle though, customer support immediately understood the problem and got me to return it to their returns address in the UK. Once tracking confirmed it had arrived, I sent customer support a copy of my shipping receipt and got a full refund for item and shipping.
Negged for following voting guidelines after years of debating whether to neg…
Then someone chain negs the comment..
Amazing lucky track record 33 Wera
Any specific pattern of models you could advise to minimise Amazon's errors?
Other OzBargainers in various threads and brands get worse than ten percent misdeliver… imagine how strenuous those returns processes go for various Amazon product OzBargains in hundreds to thousands of value in outright monetary cost and processing time
See one of the recent - a pack of face masks instead of $1k RAM kit - worst so far as the face masks are inexcusably not even the same product line or brand
Others commonly open a package to see lower capacity storage models show up… sometimes with random discordant Amazon bar code labels with a different product title a stuck to the underside…
What percentage of a single customer's interactions is the threshold for satisfying the minimum criteria of one of the listed voting guidelines
Interpreting minimum threshold of one - a single issue
Issue with retailer (For example:)
Previous purchases were not received or the shipping time exceeded what was expected. Example 1 Example 2
Issues arose which were not rectified in a satisfactory or timely manner.
It would be good to extend voting for retailers separately from posts
Reviews indicate weak material
Some parts of the set with a one-year lifetime
Put off from ordering special sets rather than local cheaps
Would be nice to have responses to the critical product reviews rather than hiding further discussion…
There are cheaper sets of tools that are at least on par with poor quality drivers or heads - many are better and last five to ten years with similar usability.
So if we can purchase multiple sets of years for the price of one year -
Would be nice to have responses to the critical product reviews rather than hiding further discussion…
You made the claim, so you should provide the evidence. What reviews indicate weak material? What one year lifetime? What are the "many are better" tools? What is "similar usability"? Were the tools being used for their intended purpose? Is it user error?
It's important to carefully filter through reviews - I've read many reviews where the user simply doesn't know how to use the item, or is not aware of the item's actual intended purpose and blames the item instead when it doesn't do what they think it should do.
So you are saying to carefully filter reviews by specifically ignoring the ones that even the Amazon moderators allowed to be published…
For being careful
I did not provide the initial claims
Simply looked into the product page as many OzBargainer would and surfaced as a comment here as an accessible initiator to look further for some of the OzBargainers who wouldn't..^
~ Product first page reviews …
Would expect the set to lock in well
Would expect a specially-branded reputable branded set to not have multiple instances of rusted warped keywords
Some bits do not hold in the initial set as well as degraded locking performance after time
Quality control issues? Durability issues?
So you are saying to carefully filter reviews by specifically ignoring the ones that even the Amazon moderators allowed to be published…
How did you even come to that conclusion?
@eug: Are you discounting the other points…
no further response
Seems like this is futile
Great that you are Wera fan
Not locked into a specific brand here~
Feel free to reference broader data for any claims you feel like making
The short irony of carefully discerning while starting from the implication that critical reviews would be user error (open-minded)
Did not need to look far to see these keywords - wonder if @eug has clicked into the first page or tried scrolling (even haphazardly)
Seems like you want to stir things up and impose arbitrary burdens rather than collaborating discussion
Fair enough - will return to minimising contributions
For clean helpful data without volatile reinterpretation, it would be great if you could list those 33 Wera products (hopefully they all commonly rate highly)
Are you discounting the other points… no further response
Yes. That's because you wrote a one-line reply, then later edited it with all your other points.
So you are saying to carefully filter reviews by specifically ignoring the ones that even the Amazon moderators allowed to be published…
How did you even come to that conclusion?
I did not provide the initial claims
You made the claim that "reviews indicate weak material" but you don't provide any reasoning or evidence that supports the claim. What reviews? What one year lifetime? What other better tools? What is similar usability?
Quality control issues? Durability issues?
Let me guess. You are only reading the negative reviews and ignoring all the positive ones. If you look at the reviews, 91% are 4 and 5 stars. Every product has a failure rate, and there are many cases where reviewers are ignorant. Why are you assuming all of them are "weak material"?
Great that you are Wera fan
There is no need to resort to immature name-calling tactics.
Also, I did not neg your original comment as I thought you might actually have something to contribute. Not too sure about that now.
@eug: actually have something to contribute
Let me guess
these are fluffy language no hard data as well - consistent with the rest :)
For reputable brands - would check the quality of support and deficiencies first - expecting the base set of features assumed
Better with the reviews where they get parts replaced
There is no need to resort to immature name-calling tactics.
I do not know why
I thought 33 products and the attempts to highlight the strengths would be taken as fact that you support either the brand or the tools you continue to purchase…
Quantifying that…
these are fluffy language no hard data as well - consistent with the rest :)
Not sure what you're trying to say. You made a claim and didn't provide any reasoning or evidence and expect a discussion to ensue.
For reputable brands - would check the quality of support and deficiencies first - expecting the base set of features assumed
Better with the reviews where they get parts replaced
Still not sure what you're trying to say.
Great that you are Wera fan
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There is no need to resort to immature name-calling tactics.
???
I thought 33 products and the attempts to highlight the strengths would be taken as fact that you support either the brand or the tools you continue to purchase…
Quantifying that…
I mean if you are not a fan of their series of tools.. That explains why you do not wish to contribute which of these you rate most highly
There are common aspects to the reviews if you read them~
You do not even bring in any keywords
Just talking in circles with someone adversarially predisposed to negativity
I thought 33 products and the attempts to highlight the strengths would be taken as fact that you support either the brand or the tools you continue to purchase…
You claimed that Amazon UK "get confused and frequently send different (always lower $) models".
I replied saying I've ordered 32 Wera items and none of them were wrong, so your claim that Amazon frequently sends cheaper models might not be accurate. Plenty of other OzBs have purchased Wera tools from Amazon UK too, if they frequently sent cheaper wrong models you'd hear a LOT more about it here.
@eug: That was a lighthearted way of phrasing
We are starting to hear more about it
Though it took a while to gather those past years experiences to a point where people start commenting
Recent link to the one referred in earlier comment:
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Though it took a while to gather those past years experiences to a point where people start commenting
You can be assured that if an OzBer gets screwed by Amazon, everyone will hear about it. Especially if it's happening frequently.
@eug: …. sounds like an unquantifiable claim to base
How do we survey the ones we do not hear about
Sigh contradictory logical fallacies
Noteworthy based on frequency or impact
This facemask example is a relatively high impact example
Link https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/12880363/redir
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Past forum threads do show trends in Amazon returns/refunds handling even apart from these instances (possible related)
Can start dredging up some deal comments as well - though seems like you want to marginalise any modifications to a story and will find reasons without adding further hard evidence you seem to be a big proponent for!
Still a bit taken aback: For the time it takes eug to type instead of a quick scroll.. To flounder and still not see the keywords even from the initial discussion on the page…
@UsernameChecksIn: It's human nature to complain. If you buy a screwdriver from Amazon, they deliver it correctly and the screwdriver works fine, you're aren't likely going to bother going back to the product page and writing a review just to say "Amazon sent me the right screwdriver. It works fine."
But if you receive a defective product, or you don't understand how the product is meant to work and you think it isn't working right, you'd be annoyed and a lot more likely to "seek justice" by leaving a negative review because you have been wronged.
So, when it comes to boring products like tools (as opposed to e.g. an iPhone), people who are annoyed are more likely to let everyone know about it by leaving a bad review than people who are satisfied with the product, simply because there isn't usually much to say that's very interesting so they don't bother.
When you see a boring product with 91% 4 and 5 star reviews, there's a good chance it actually is a good product. As I mentioned earlier, you have to read the reviews carefully to know for sure.
@eug: We can pick apart a statement and ask for citations even for "human nature to < >" if we want to. Assume various premises*
From the same reference we can say it is human nature to positively review products in the same vein as nature to negatively review products.
Delivered correctly and works fine - then we could expect an insignificant quantity of highly-rated reviews - following a line of reasoning
Would venture that customers commonly review many lines of these accessibly available products (vs the more likely to critically review tools vs popular products?)
Wonder about the research of proportions of self-reporting surveys stratified to different product categories
For the review parts: those keywords of the locking mechanisms with the bundled bits (first-party) + warping and noticing rust are red flags to me
* thinking about the [0.1]mm tolerances of tools (time to get some datasheets)
Delving into diverse thought processes though we are getting discussion :D!
Can talk about distribution of reviews, some categories are more polarising?
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So…
What do we think of Knipex?
- would expect more along these lines of significant numbers of highly-rated reviews on many individual pliers and sets (also OzBargain favourites) for multiple Wera products
- can dive deep and find 1% of concerning rattling and slip for a couple Knipex
How can we measure the optimal OzBargaining weighted thresholds for a decision
@UsernameChecksIn: I'd love to continue this discussion but I've gotta say, at 1am it's a little difficult deciphering what you're trying to say.
Anyway it has gone way off topic - all I wanted to put across was that your claim that Amazon frequently sends cheaper incorrect models doesn't sound accurate at all based on my experiences and the (lack of) comments about it on OzB where there is a good number of Wera buyers from all the posted deals.
(and how you made some claims without further explanation but still wanting discussion)
Have a good night!
@UsernameChecksIn: Not sure why you keep hitting Post Comment before you're done, then editing it and adding reams of text after. Just take your time and post once you're done typing.
This facemask example is a relatively high impact example
Link https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/12880363/redir
It looks like you're making the same mistake as you do when reading reviews. You have to appreciate the difference between absolute and relative numbers.
No big business is perfect. There will always be mistakes made. What matters is the percentage of orders that are wrongly-fulfilled or poorly-handled.
I'll use some example figures here. I wouldn't be surprised if 0.5% of orders had some sort of issue. At the scale of Amazon, who shipped 4.2 billion parcels worldwide in 2020, that means 21 million parcels that had an issue.
That's a very large number so you'd be more likely to hear someone's bad experience with them vs a smaller retailer, but relative to the total number of shipments, it's still only 0.5%.
A smaller retailer with a less advanced shipping system might have issues with 1% of their orders but because their volumes are much smaller you'll be less likely to hear about it even though they have twice the amount of issues vs their total number of shipments.
So even though Amazon's fulfilment is two times better than the smaller retailer, it might look like Amazon is worse simply because their volumes are greater. But in this case you're still more likely to have a better experience ordering from Amazon.
Still a bit taken aback: For the time it takes eug to type instead of a quick scroll.. To flounder and still not see the keywords even from the initial discussion on the page…
Just curious, are you using an online grammar tool? Your sentence structures are quite unusual; it's not making it easier to read.
@eug: Decisions can be quantified by both frequency/likelihood and impact as a starter. Can get into more factors if interested. Premature to call this a mistake. Explicitly phrased as noteworthiness in advance of this point, completely predicting that you would pick it out otherwise (seems to have failed as we are recommenting on it now…)
We are similarly discussing quantification… - wanted to get your handle on your individual thresholds.
I would prefer the 0.5% of issues. The Wera product exceeded the threshold (restating as seemingly unclear. though we both seemed to be talking about this…)
We were not getting absolute or relative mixed up here…
Somehow finally espousing similar statements though it seems like this quantification contradicts the earlier comments.
I thought this was clear from the percentages and quantities we see and started to broach more examples such as Knipex as preferably branded and reviewed compared to Wera…Seems like you have turned around to the arguments I had all along (in mind if not interpreted from the text)
I provided further explanation
Can use the keywords to search further but it seems like you are conveniently not picking these up
I can take further time out to build a list; however, spoonfeeding does not seem appreciated by you and you do not wish to provide complementary data either ~even after
There are good numbers of Amazon purchases and deals
* not specifically talking about Wera though you seem to want to keep coming back to that and then not contribute any further Wera-specific or tool-specific information…
* some further convenient selectiveness here ~anti-openmindedness (wonder if you did a single search and still came up empty after providing keywords and starter links)
Here is a simple spelled out example..: A term such as proportion indicates a comparative relative amount…
Weird to somehow talk about relative percentage in one quantity and then suddenly start talking about absolute numbers. Seemingly supporting many of the initial arguments proposed while disregarding your own prior comments…
Am more critical of smaller retailers when multiple poor experiences are shared.
Many prior assumed viewpoints seem at odds with a now percentage-filled paragraph. Responded to a couple [baseless] premises/assumptions that elicited no response (selective blindness?)
Following lines of assumed reasoning that was offered yet still contradicting
~Can talk about the threshold for purchasing through a platform such as Amazon and eBay vs an individual small business
* Would prefer platforms with scalable consumer guarantee handling processes
@UsernameChecksIn: To follow an explicit example and reuse proffered wording.
If your 21 million parcel volume (0.5% issue) contained a majority >$200 items [insert arbitrary numbers high-value threshold relative to all parcels avg $1]… This would be a figure you can appreciate. [ weird numbers for equivalence ]
0.005 2000 v 10
Or 1 x $1000 vs 100 x $10 incidents depending on weightings / available offerings…
Can go further down various rabbit holes~ analyse the most popular OzBargain retailer deal postings v price
Separate comment for simple concise count * impact example
~ Can add further qualifiers and examples~
@UsernameChecksIn: Cool got chained downvoted further
Would seem anti-voting comment guidelines to downvote a specific user in swathes in lieu of reading content ( though for post voting guidelines that would interestingly support a chosen line of reasoning of downvoting every Amazon post lol)
Ah well it sounds like someone may have finally come around to the same point of view - some cognitive dissonance here.
Will defer from these kinds of logical discourse again
Seemed like the main point_s_ changed. Though if you want to narrow it down to that then their point was to tell people to read with predisposed personally-biased reinterpreting and disregarding specific keywords (maybe not even disregarding as that would imply being exposed to those in the first place) and a skewed internal weighting of percentages even when given other examples - evidently looks like after all that people completely disregard or continue not wishing to read.
Imagine the comparative proportion of time it takes to simply scroll.
Sampling and non-sampling error? Low number is also a red flag…
Some people can be more open-minded with more discerning thresholds?
Random fruitless narrow-minded predisposed fixed mindset.
Truthisms - Following the proffered lines~ resynthesise and reflect with remarkably minimal progress
What about the 28 pieces set for $113.78 https://amzn.asia/d/0xr06ju