People Who Make Their Cars Louder, Are They Inconsiderate [Profanity] ?

Since we pretty much all agreed that smokers are inconsiderate, I have another question:
What about people who intentionally make their cars/motorcycles louder? Are they inconsiderate a**holes too?

I recently was a witness to an episode where everyone in the cafe had to stop their conversations and wait until one such unit finished parking his thundering bike. Then he just strolled in with a smile and sat for a meal. You reckon he just doesn't give a damn about other people, or is he that oblivious how it affects everyone around him?

I know that there are legal limits to vehicle's noise, but police is clearly too busy to bother with it (at least here in Gold Coast), cause I see and hear them to often to be an exception. IIRC motorbike's allowed levels are even higher since "loud pipes save lives" or something, but then we all also heard the opposite: that there is no evidence to such claims and hi vis clothing would work better anyway.

So what do you think about such people?

Poll Options

  • 897
    Yes, most are inconsiderate of others around
  • 137
    No, nothing wrong with loud cars/bikes
  • 25
    I am afraid to vote cause of bikies

Comments

  • It depends.
    There are idiots who remove a muffler or put a different one on thinking that noise means power. It doesnt. Or the dirt bike being ridden on the road with off road exhausts.
    As for loud pipes saving lives, as a rider I can tell you that its true, to an extent. Hi Vis does not help. It has been become too common and no longer stands out. Bikes have their lights on all the time to stand out, but once again this is becoming to common and people dont notice. Car drivers seem to be blind to bikes. I always ride as if every car is going to hit me, but even then cars do stupid things. Cruisers have DEEP sounding exhausts. People do hear them, and look. Once they look, they see. So it does work. Where it doesnt work is with sports bikes with high pitched engines. Different sound that doesnt seem to pierce the closed car.
    Then you have some cars that are laod, like supercars. A Ferrari or Lambo will be loud. Its the engine, and they are basically race cars that are street legal. And some sports cars might be louder when moving compared to when they are idling.
    Generaly, the omes that stand out are normal cars not done properly. An exhaust is designed to move gasses from the engine out of the car. A well designed exhaust will balance noise and efficency, and should help reduce green house gasses. People who just change a muffler without taking into account the rest of the system end up with none of the desired outcomes, just noise.

    • +1

      From my time living on a major road, IMO it was these that stood out as most disturbing and disrupting of sleep:

      1. Dirt bikes / Cross with off road exhausts were the worst - (perhaps I just had someone doing a regular 5AM commute past me as my wake up call?)
      2. Modified Sports bikes with higher-pitched exhausts (non-standard)
      3. Cruisers / Deeper with modified exhausts (perhaps as loud but didn't seem as irritating against the background noise, but still close?)
      4. Cars with modified loud exhausts - these were still loud but in general the tones always seemed less intrusive than the modified bikes …. "supercars" were rare…. it was usually some idiot with a fart-cannon something ordinary
  • -1

    Give it a little time and ICE vehicles will go the same way as horses.

  • +2

    I would like to see technology used to fine offenders. Like a speed cam but for noise. It can’t be that difficult.

    • +2

      Paris is trialling a car noise radar. I really hope it's successful and gets adopted here. The NSW government here loves speed camera money as evidenced by mobile speed cameras so this would be a really easy and passive money earner for them. Stick it down anywhere and wait for it to catch loud cars all day long.

  • +5

    My thoughts - cars it’s just about being noisy. I daily a motorcycle and my experience with stock vs aftermarket is louder pipes have resulted in being a lot safer for me. I no longer have people reversing out in front of me or merging without actually looking

  • -3

    Didn't realise ozbargainers were such wusses. Chuck a cat-back exhaust on your camry/corolla and get over it.

  • I hate it…when it's not me.

    When I was a young man.

  • +1

    Time and place. Backfiring through residential streets at midnight in the middle of the week with your aftermarket 4" exhaust is not cool, typically done by the unemployed bums anyway who have no need to wake up early the next morning. On a Sunday drive away from residents, go for your life, the sound of a sports car smashing through gears as you redline is a delight for any revhead. I guess this is why many modern performance cars come with variable exhaust flaps, noise or no noise, you choose, just be considerate

    • -3

      On a Sunday drive away from residents, go for your life, the sound of a sports car smashing through gears as you redline is a delight for any revhead.

      Most people that I know would relate a "Sunday drive" to mean taking a relaxed, no rush trip.

      I assume you mean when they take their vehicle to a weekend 'track day'.

      I can't come up with a reason or place where doing what you suggest on a public road is either acceptable or safe.

      • Then stay out of my way boomer

        • -2

          Then stay out of my way boomer

          One rather large assumption on your part.
          Someone points out that you come across as an entitled tool and all you can do is confirm it with your well-articulated response of 'boomer'.
          Sounds about right.

          For interest's sake - which generation do you identify with? If people are going to drop casual insults it's best if we can be a little more accurate.

  • +5

    I used to not really care, but ever since having a baby and trying my best to keep him from crying in the back, I've come to despise these inconsiderate idiots.

    If any of these idiots are reading this, no one cares about how loud your car/bike is, and in fact everyone just thinks you're a tosser.

  • I totally agree that there are very inconsiderate people who smoke/make their car loud/play music inappropriately, etc.

    The real question people need to ask themselves is whether they would prefer to deal with d*ck heads or if they would prefer to deal with more "oversight" from the government and other much loved groups such as body corporate. There are definitely tyrants out there but I'd prefer they acted up themselves instead of being able to tell me what I can and can't do under threat of fines, penalties, legal fees and possibly criminal charges for ignoring them or trying to fight back against them.

  • +1

    I briefly lived in an older apartment 4 levels up on a really busy street next to traffic signals in a capital city with fairly standard windows and a balcony…. there was noxious air, toxic black dust settling on stuff (diesels I presume?), and it was generally loud but as a relatively consistent noise you got used to it quick…. occasionally there was sirens but that's a necessity and they try minimise use where safe, but above all that there was those modified motorcycles …. those f….n motorcycles that were so damn loud it was intrusive at any time, plus if it was late or early it would wake you up and there was a couple at some point every single day for no reason other than that person's selfishness…. Prior to that I was fairly oblivious, young and dumb and didn't care - but from that point I thought police should be enforcing the noise limits because the urban built environment just isn't designed to handle it.

    Most probably think they are cool and people are looking because they think that… but most are looking cause its f……n distracting and annoying.
    It was a close competitor with the dust (due to the health risk questionmark), but it was the worst part about being on such a busy street

    Whereas if you enforce a standard you can design acoustic treatments to block it out to an acceptable level.

    • Many articulated trucks can be pretty bad too, esp when compression braking on slopes.

      One thing though- at least the noise encouraged you to move away from a street before you'd had too many lung-fulls of combusted fuel and brake-pad particles.

  • +3

    i would rather hear a loud car - then a silent and deady driver f**king around on a phone whilst behind the wheel.—-seen too many "ordinary" cars with drivers that don't pay attention.

    • +4

      If you need to hear a car to be careful of it then the issue is you're a bad driver.

      FYI loud car =/= someone driving on their phone, learn to compare the same thing atleast.

  • My polo is loud, it was a side-effect of going turboback (+fmic etc) for a tune. I did it purely for power (which I got, based off my dyno results), despite the noise, not because of it. I love my car, how it delivers power, and enjoy the noise myself, but I also agree that it is completely embarrassing and do all I can to not be obnoxious with it.

  • +1

    Very inconsiderate. I had a neighbor who drives a noisy Subaru, they leave early for work and sometimes would also leave the car there with the engine running for no reason. We get woken up every time they do this. We eventually made a complaint to the EPA, and they got the police out to check the car and the owners had to tune it down. It was a long process…

  • "Loud pipes save lives" said the motorcyclist, wearing a black jacket instead of hi vis. Selfish (profanity) who would be the first to complain about your noise.

    • That’s a fair sentiment, any form of gear and increased visibility, including noise all factors into helping drivers with limited awareness.

      Riding can be intense at times, a few moments of not being aware of all 360 degrees can totally profanity you in the profanity

    • -2

      Ok karen

    • They do save lives though. You've obviously never ridden a motorcycle in traffic.

      • lol no they freaking don't. I ride a motorbike, I also drive, and I can tell you that you will always see a motorbike before you hear it. Any sources to back this up beyond anecdotes?

        The "loud pipes save lives" BS was made up by Harley riders who wanted to have a reason for their loud exhausts.

        if you are relying on sound to protect you, you're in for a surprise.

    • Riders need gear that is strong enough if they come off and waterproof. Also needs to be comfortable. Leather fits the criterea. And leather is black unless you are apower ranger and like skin tight stuff. HiVis is over rated. When it forst came out it reduced accidents on worksites due to increased visibility. Then it stopped being effective because everyone got used to it. Bikes have lights on all the time. But of course people dont notice those now either. I ride. I have done defensive riding courses. People just dont look. Its not that they look and dont see, they just dont look. I have been hit twice now. Once at a red light where I was the only vehicle at the intersection. Hit from behind, and the driver said he didnt see me or the red light. The second time Iwas on the highway, and had to slow down for roadworks. Got hit from behind. Same excuse. Driver didnt see me or the roadwork signs and flashing lights.But I can tell you that the obnoixiously loud horn I fitted and the loud pipes have made people turn around and look. They turn their heads and look at me. I want to go home to my family, and if my loud pipes make that happen, I dont care less about you, your phone, your stereo, your coffee or whatever else you are doing that makes you a risk to my life.

  • +4

    I can tolerate the loud factory default V8 from make like Ferrari. Anything like Harley or like a exhaust modified Civic need to stop.

    • +1

      Quality.

      Harleys and econoboxes with exhausts and DSG burps are like tonedeaf buskers at the local mall, nobody wants to hear them, we want quality sound.

      • you mean you don't want to hear the popping from a 4 cylinder Hyundai with a fairing kit?!

  • +2

    Technically, yes they are inconsiderate as well as unlawful.

    However every personality trait has a spectrum and everything is relative.

    Ask a law enforcer (eg. policeman/judge/intelligence agency), bouncer, security guard, bartender, duty manager and you'll find this offense is relatively minor compared with what's out there.

    A loud modified car would occupy a few seconds of your day and move on. There are many more Mercedes Benz owners who consistently park in disabled parking bays. Who is more inconsiderate?

    The answer to the OP's question is relatively easy to find out. Just directly chat with the person and ask. Alternatively get to know a friend of a friend who owns a loud vehicle and determine for yourself if they are all [profanity].

    As for why Police let it slide. There are relatively more urgent and pressing Policing concerns. Personally when I hear a car with a cannon exhaust or a Harley without its baffles I profile them as person who has taken up a mechanical hobby, loves his hobby, is earning enough income to afford a car. That's much better than the other more unlawful and unproductive interests out there.

    I personally have overly sensitive hearing and don't own a loud vehicle. I just view vehicle owners as a reflection of the broad society. Yes there are douche bag owners but douche bags exist in society. Toxic masculinity is rewarded by society.

    • -2

      And your reasonable comment will largely be ignored, whilst the trolls will suck all the air out of the place. People don't want nuanced discussion, just shout their opinion at each other

    • +1

      A loud modified car would occupy a few seconds of your day and move on.

      Unless they are your neighbour and starts their car at 5am everyday…

    • A loud modified car would occupy a few seconds of your day and move on.

      not at 4 am when they idle it for 20 minutes.

  • +1

    I’m quite fine with my car being silent, especially next to a loud SS at the lights and then beating it.
    As for my bike, I prefer that to be a little louder, nice to put the clutch in and limiter bash when some (profanity) merges in front of me or tries to sideswipe me, it’s not ridiculously loud especially at the lower RPMs when I’m just commuting around.

    Look at loud factory cars; they generally have adjustable exhausts or when driven sensibly aren’t that loud. Intentionally driving like a dick or shifting at the end of your RPM band to be loud is unnecessary.
    Straight piping your fully sick P plate pac SV6 is also profanitying stupid.

    I can get around car mods to free up exhaust gasses, bigger turbos, dumps etc, but you can still add a resonator, be loud when on the gas and quite when cruising, but also wastegates venting to atmosphere is one of the coolest sounds a big piece of automotive machinery can make.

    • +1

      I am a bit the same these days, I dont mind a quiet car but anything V8 gets a pass in my books for being loud. Maybe it's the 4 V8 commodores I've owned in the past that has left me sentimental. Half the fun of a V8 is the noise, not the traffic light drags.

      With motorcycles I am the opposite, make them loud but not stupidly offensively loud (looking at HD owners)

      Look at loud factory cars; they generally have adjustable exhausts or when driven sensibly aren’t that loud. Intentionally driving like a dick or shifting at the end of your RPM band to be loud is unnecessary. Straight piping your fully sick P plate pac SV6 is also profanitying stupid.

      Thats what pisses me off. Some of these over the top loud cars have normal quiet modes but we get audibly assaulted by them around at inappropriate times and places. These people are the pinnacle of utter d1ick head drivers that dont give a sh1t and go out their way to be idiots. I think what annoys me the most is that the pops and cracks are mostly theatrical so there is no performance benefit but is solely for their own amusement.

      Those people with the straight piped V6 Commodores are weird, those cares make an objectively bad sound. I want to talk to an owner and see what made them do it or if they know how shit it sounds

      • +1

        Yeah SV6/Omega/XR6s with modified exhausts make my ears bleed.

  • -4

    I don't mind loud cars. I believe it can be better for safety - people can hear you coming.

  • +2

    Car guy here:
    I have modded many, many cars with exhausts.

    Loudest would be an almost straight-through Titanium Exhaust on a 1JZ Vvti. It was loud but sounded nice. Not very obnoxious
    I had another quieter system on another 1JZ Vvti but it had a 45mm external gate. This was loud. But only loud at full boost lol.
    Put a system on my GR yaris and quickly reverted back to stock. The exhaust note wasn't nice and NVH was too significant.

    I am very very against burble and fart tunes.

    Straight-piping cars that sound shit make me sad.

    • i had a vvti and a non vvti 1jz and it sounded nice but the (profanity) drone did my head in.
      The Non VVTI I eventually slapped a big borgy on and External Gate and it was much nicer, mainly due to the turbo acting as a big muffler.

  • I like the way my car sounds, and I'll enjoy it within the confines of the law.

  • -1

    I can live with loud cars but the bikes with aftermarket exhausts are a literal hazard. When they blow past the window it damages my ear drums.

  • +1

    I have done this with all my cars, however my goal is to not be an inconsiderate ass by going for max volume. My goal is to have a car that sounds mean under WOT but subtle and normal when cruising along - the slight benefits from a free flowing exhaust with respect to performance and fuel usage (my old Pajero gained almost no power, but did save 2L/100k, my old XR6T gained a little in performance.. no fuel saving and my old territory gained nothing but just sounded great).
    In my opinion there is nothing worse than driving 100kph for a few hours with a droning exhaust and I hate being that guy who's car wakes all the neighbours when he leaves for work at 5.30am.

    Sadly now I drive a diesel HiAce Commuter which handles like a boat and is slow and quiet so no more fun :(

  • Cars that become louder due to performance modifications are fine. People who just make them louder to look tough are pathetic losers.

  • +5

    The future is electric. And silent. Their days are numbered.

  • +1

    Not a fan of diesel dual cabs that have had exhaust changes. Typically already noisy enough it annoys me when they fang it down quiet suburban streets and have never been off-road.

  • Don't like the super loud bikes waaaay over acceptable levels. Noisy sports cars when they're giving it a boot full and fairly quiet on idle are fine. Lancers/Hyundais with zhausts are laughable.

  • +1

    I did it when I was in my early twenties. I was an idiot, and within a few months I was silently ashamed while driving around.
    I can understand when you see a kid, but an adult? yeah they're just a-holes.

    Technically speaking, unless you have an extremely well tuned and modded car for the track, it is mostly placebo.
    There are much better and quieter mods that improve performance.

    Harley's are a different level of inconsiderate and self deluded.

    Noise pollution is a thing, and not only affect animals, but humans as well, there are multiple studies behind. One of the results stating it causes aggression. peak hour traffic anyone? the trifecta, Traffic, fumes and noise.

  • +4

    The real answer is it depends on the car.

    A rumbly V8, a roaring V10, or a screaming V12 is always appreciated from car lovers and kids alike

    A 4 cyl Golf R with crackle map is typically not. Neither are rice rockets (Although you don't seem to see them much anymore. Gone are the days of canon exhausts on suzuki swifts)

    Regardless, plenty of things make noise - cars, lawnmowers, boats, humans, laughter, screaming kids etc….

    Just relax and enjoy life - if it doesn't float your boat its only a moment in time. No need to cry about it

  • +1

    I come from the riced up civics, silvas R32/33 era, and I kinda appreciate the loudness, its a growth stage for a young man whos in to sports cars.

    In saying that, proper exhaust mods are typically pretty quite at idle or normal driving, what pisses people off is dropping a gear on flooring it to 5000-6000 revs when you going at 20km/h or gunning pass some coffee shop to show off.

    But then again, it doesn't happen enough for me to care these days.

  • -2

    Love it when I hear and see the noisy car. Report each of them straight to the EPA and they get a letter and then a fine when it's non compliant.

  • Yeah (profanity) those dumb mfers who like to rev their engines and thinks they're cool because their car is loud.

    I just want to sleep not listen to their dumb shit.

  • People who illegally tune their cars to make loud backfires/bangs/pops/flames out the exhaust pipe are inconsiderate a-holes. They're illegal not just due to noise, but also emissions.

    A mild sports exhaust is fine.

  • +2

    I have fitted an after market exhaust to my car to make it perform better. I've taken my car to the track a number of times. I have a turbo car so it is not very loud (because the turbo muffles the engine note), it is more like a soft burble. I operate on the rule of don't sh#t in your own nest, meaning when I am driving into my suburb I always make sure i'm driving low RPM so i am not annoying people.

    • This. Modified doesn't have to be loud. I have complemented a few of my neighbours that have tasteful exhausts. They looked shocked, lol.

  • hehe car go brrr

  • This isn't a binary loud/quiet situation, though. There's a huge difference between a tasteful modded exhaust and straight-piping.

    20% louder than stock isn't a big deal. 300% is. Not to mention the way you drive it makes a difference to noise.

  • Difference between cars and bikes.. can't put them in the same category.

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