PSA for NSW Residents - NSW Election March 25 + Jobs

BewareOfThe Dog on 13/03/2023 - 11:09
Last edited 13/03/2023 - 11:10

Hi, just a reminder if you have moved recently, changed your name or Postal Address, make sure you change your details on the Australian Electoral Roll.

Also, check that your local electorate is still current.

When arriving, present Photo ID, as it sometimes can be difficult to hear.

If your details or not up to date, or you are not in the local area, you will have to line up, and fill in a Declaration vote which will make the process even longer.

Also anyone chasing good money, and is available March 25, they are still chasing people to work. Register an Expression of Interest ASAP on the NSW Electoral Site

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  • CyberMurning on 13/03/2023 - 11:30
    +1

    "Also anyone chasing good money, "
    are you sure the money is good ? (please considering $ / hr rate not just $. also, the actual number of hours you will be there not from what paper said).

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 13/03/2023 - 11:32
      +2

      The rate is better than my day job. ;)

      • randomusername2017 on 13/03/2023 - 11:53
        +4

        The rate is ok for higher levels that have already started, but not for first time scrutineers sitting on the floor of the local community hall at 1am.

      • Archi on 13/03/2023 - 13:14
        +1

        lucky you have a night job… :P

        • BewareOfThe Dog on 13/03/2023 - 13:15
          +1

          Yes , but performing in a village people act, doesn't pay much. 😃

    • shxhshzhz on 13/03/2023 - 11:44

      page about the job says it starts from 7am and can end at even 11pm

      • BewareOfThe Dog on 13/03/2023 - 11:47
        -4

        Correct, but you can finish at 6, if you give notice.

      • CyberMurning on 13/03/2023 - 12:24
        -2

        trust me, that 11pm is considered VERY LUCKY, same as your chance winning powerball. ie dont even think

        • shxhshzhz on 13/03/2023 - 12:25
          +1

          well all makes sense now as to why they're still looking for people to hire

          • CyberMurning on 13/03/2023 - 12:27
            +1

            @shxhshzhz: well.. if sound too good to be true then…..

            i bet OP is first timer so he/she got excited .
            lets wait few days after the E day, he/she will be back in rage complaining hahaha

        • Chandler on 13/03/2023 - 13:41
          +4

          Sometimes yes. But depends on multiple factors:

          • Number of votes issued
          • Competency of staff
          • Competency of supervisor

          Essentially, upon closing (6pm) all votes are counted, distributed (by preference) and tallied, then finally packaged. If staff are competent and everyone gets into it, you could get this all done reasonably quickly: 11pm is a realistic finish time for a large-ish booth with a mix of competent and not-so-competent staff (IMO)

          The issue is when counts are out and recounts need to be done.

          If you end up on a guest booth in a larger polling place you could be finished much sooner. If counts are out, then 1am could be realistic, although I believe other action would be taken prior to it reaching that point - i.e. supervisors getting involved.

          Note: this is based on my experience with Federal and Queensland elections - I don't know how the NSW commission operates, but I suspect it would be similar.

        • 82norm on 14/03/2023 - 07:53

          Did it once at a local regional town, started 7am didn’t finish till 1am. Never again. Can’t remember what it translated to, but something like $15 hr. Joke.

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 13/03/2023 - 11:48

      Here are the Pay rates

      • CyberMurning on 13/03/2023 - 12:29

        whatever amount you get from that page, divide by 17 to get hourly pay.
        if you are at higher level, make it 19

      • sss333 on 13/03/2023 - 13:59

        Worse than ACT elections, also to whoever said 11PM latest I've got out at a federal or ACT election is 9PM

        Put yourself down for booths that have lower voters attend if you're concerned.

        • BewareOfThe Dog on 13/03/2023 - 14:39
          +1

          I got out at 9PM at the federal Election last year, and 10, at the previous council Election. I think the previous Federal one was @ 930PM

    • GOMOOTYPRO on 13/03/2023 - 15:41
      +1

      I'm working on the day and will get $528 before tax. 7:15am start up to possibly 11pm (Never been that late ever for me before) Works out at $33/hr if I work to 11pm

    • brad1-8tsi on 13/03/2023 - 16:33
      +3

      I've worked local, state and federal gov't elections. It's enjoyable (if you like that type of thing) but the hourly rate is rubbish and I won't do it anymore.

      I'm paid 2 levels below a polling place manager as a declaration vote / information officer. That pays $398 plus $33 meal allowance plus super.

      Your day starts at 7.00am. I have never left before 11.00pm and the latest has been 1.30am. Count on a minimum 16hour day. On the surface that's $24.88/hr but anywhere else in government doing a double shift you'd get shift allowance and penalty rates after the first 8 hours.

      If you are desperate for money and need cashflow or just want the experience then go for it as it isn't hard work but for me an effective rate of ~$17/hr isn't worth it (and shouldn't be allowed).

    • nubzy on 13/03/2023 - 16:44

      Money doesn't look great to me. Rather mow some lawns for $60+ an hour, listen to music and not have to deal with other people.

      • BewareOfThe Dog on 13/03/2023 - 23:32

        What if it's raining on March 25?

      • davidmwilliams on 14/03/2023 - 18:41

        Can you get a full days' lawn mowing on Sep 25?

        I mean, people say "oh, the pay rate is bad" (if they look at the worst-case scenarios for counting) but the fact is simply it's one day, it's interesting, it can be enjoyable, and it's money you wouldn't otherwise have had … for one day of your life. It's hardly a torment. Are people spoiled for choice with other financial opportunities on that day?

  • AngoraFish on 13/03/2023 - 11:37
    +7

    Voter ID is not required, and it's misleading to imply that it is. At best, if your name is difficult to spell it might help to have your name written down somewhere. A "photo" is absolutely not required and irrelevant to whether polling staff can hear you.

    Bringing and presenting ID is a bad idea because it normalizes years of voter disenfranchisement strategies by the conservative side of politics, because conservatives feel that poor people and people with poor English language skills are more likely to be left wing voters and less likely to have this kind of ID. There is no evidence anywhere that voter ID requirements improve the integrity of elections, it just means that more people are disenfranchised.

    I can't remember a single time when it was difficult to hear in a polling booth. People are typically too busy saying their name and concentrating on actually filling in ballot papers, there's never any canned music, or similar, and nobody is just hanging around chattering.

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 13/03/2023 - 11:48
      +2

      Some people speak softly or have speech impediments.

      • kerfuffle on 13/03/2023 - 11:49
        +2

        That's why there's paper at the desk so you can write your name down to show the polling official …

        • BewareOfThe Dog on 14/03/2023 - 23:09

          Or show your id . What if the handwriting can't be read?

          • kerfuffle on 14/03/2023 - 23:18
            +1

            @BewareOfThe Dog: What if you don’t have ID?

            • BewareOfThe Dog on 14/03/2023 - 23:20
              -2

              @kerfuffle: https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/driver-…
              I'm just trying to advise people to get through this process as quickly as possible. Having a photo id, or a bill with full name, address makes the process so much quicker for everyone.

              • AngoraFish on 15/03/2023 - 10:02

                @BewareOfThe Dog: You're seriously suggesting that going to the effort of applying for or replacing a form of "photo" id (again with the unnecessary photo) is more efficient than just saying your name twice or spelling it out verbally at the polling booth? I mean, even poking around in a draw for a bill on the way out the door is slower than that, as is poking around in your wallet for "photo" ID. The mind boggles.

                • BewareOfThe Dog on 15/03/2023 - 23:48
                  -1

                  @AngoraFish: I just hope you speak at a decent tone, and your name is easy to spell. That's all work together, and not keep the queue behind you waiting.
                  For all the person knows you could be providing someone else s details.

                • BewareOfThe Dog on 15/03/2023 - 23:58

                  @AngoraFish: By any chance do you reverse park?

    • Vulgar on 13/03/2023 - 11:50
      +1

      Have the conservatives tried to disenfranchise voters in Australia? I'm not aware of any attempts apart from the fact that they made voting harder by getting rid of the more convenient online option. There's still a pretty strong incentive to vote due to the fine imposed for not voting.

      I have heard of voter ID laws passed in certain American states, making it harder for people to vote.

    • fossilfuel on 13/03/2023 - 23:04
      +1

      Name, address and whether you have voted in this election is all you need.

      You can also vote outside of your electorate by casting a declaration vote. This involves filling in some details on an envelope before you get your ballot papers then returning the ballot papers back to the declaration voting officer so they can seal your vote in the envelope. Takes a bit longer than voting in your electorate.

      • BewareOfThe Dog on 14/03/2023 - 23:09

        A lot longer. Most people want to get on with their day.

  • payless69 on 13/03/2023 - 11:39
    +2

    my prostate is ok

  • Vulgar on 13/03/2023 - 11:46

    Thanks for reminding me about the state election.

    Probably going to have to vote early. What are with these stupid restrictions on early voting? Can't I just vote early because I feel like it? Also can't vote online like last time which is a shame.

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 13/03/2023 - 11:50

      Here are the Guidelines
      will be more than 8km from a voting centre in your electorate on election day

    • AngoraFish on 13/03/2023 - 12:08
      +1

      Working on polling day or traveling are the usual excuses, but in most cases the electoral commission won't even ask for your excuse and you certainly won't need to provide any evidence. Just turn up at a prepoll centre and vote, or alternatively, apply for a postal vote.

      While there are some criteria for early voting eligibility, in practice anyone can vote early in person by turning up at an early polling station in their own electorate during the pre-polling period.

      https://www.9news.com.au/national/nsw-state-election-2023-da…

      • BewareOfThe Dog on 13/03/2023 - 23:31

        You could also say you are a 7th day Adventist, and don't Participate in voting due to religious beliefs.

    • brendanm on 13/03/2023 - 17:22
      +1

      Just like. If it's good enough for the politicians, it's good enough for you.

  • Brian McGee on 13/03/2023 - 11:46
    +1

    Whatever happened to the motto 'Vote early, vote often'? Or is that just for Pork Barilaro and Binchickenlian?

    • orangetrain on 13/03/2023 - 12:53
      +1

      You can have it all!

  • CyberMurning on 13/03/2023 - 12:29
    +1

    waiting the century when we can all vote from our mobile phone….. stop killing all those trees

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 13/03/2023 - 12:55

      I wonder if the paper is recycled after 7 years?

    • pharkurnell on 13/03/2023 - 13:06

      so does every hacker…. no doubting it the gov would intercourse security up massively due to trying to do it on the cheap.

    • orangetrain on 13/03/2023 - 14:26

      ChiMot's grandmother: "Hi orangetrain!"

      "Your phone is butt dialling me! Can I have a look?"

      "Oh sorry! Here! unlocks"

      votes for pedro "Fixed!"

  • Nillionaire on 13/03/2023 - 16:18

    are those jobs easy to get or nah? im a uni student who has only worked fast food and some research positions

    • brad1-8tsi on 13/03/2023 - 16:38
      +2

      easy

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 13/03/2023 - 23:25

      Just click on the link in the original posts.
      Can you count to 100 in lots of ten? You got the job.

  • sam-1966 on 13/03/2023 - 19:42
    +2

    I have worked for over 15 years doing election days, and for probably the last 10 doing pre-poll and some post-polls, and absolutely love the work. I find it fascinating, especially since doing post-poll. One thing I have always enjoyed was looking after first time voters, whether they are 18 year olds or new citizens. Some of the new citizens are amazing - they can't believe how easy it is to vote here, especially that they are not 'directed' in a certain way… or threatened. I always take extra time to explain how to fill in the ballot papers etc. Even better is when doing pre-poll near a high school, seeing someone I helped the day before bringing their friends in to show them that it isn't hard.

    Last pre-poll, I was doing declaration voting and had spent that bit of time with a new voter and apologised the the gentleman waiting, just saying I try to spend a little extra time with new voters… he thanked me and said that I had done a great job and that it was great that they were given that extra time.

    Even if you just do election day once, you will have a better idea of how things work - and that election officials do not rub out pencil marks on ballot papers etc.

    • fossilfuel on 13/03/2023 - 22:53

      Totally agree. I started as an election official, the work was constant, hours were long and it was physically tiring but well worth it.

      Did Dec votes twice and loved it, just because I got to talk to interesting people from all over the state. Had a guy from the snowy mountains talk about why he's in Sydney and life in the regions.

      I've taken a 2IC role this upcoming election and I'm really looking forward to it.

      • sam-1966 on 14/03/2023 - 14:29

        I did the 2IC role at the last federal election - spent quite a bit of time explaining to people that 'no, the writ does not need to be displayed at each polling booth'…

        And I would love to know who handles the AEC's facebook page - they are very patient with some of the queries and comments that come across it.

        • fossilfuel on 15/03/2023 - 21:36

          At the VCM training, we were told our electorate's borders have shifted west significantly.

          We'll be getting a lot of confused voters who have voted in X electorate for the last 50 years to learn they are now in Y electorate.

          All the best on polling day mate.

          • sam-1966 on 16/03/2023 - 13:31

            @fossilfuel: I have had that happen - can be a nightmare. At least you will have the computers which will make it much easier. Good luck!

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 13/03/2023 - 23:27

      Unlike 'the free state of Jones'.

  • sam-1966 on 13/03/2023 - 19:52

    Also - not sure about NSW, but in Queensland, people can work for the Electoral Commission of Queensland at elections from the age of 16. Federal elections are 18.

    Not a bad pay packet for a 16 year old.

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 13/03/2023 - 23:30

      Bloody awesome. In nsw you need to be on the electoral role so that rules out anyone under 18.

  • HelpMeiCantSee on 14/03/2023 - 09:05
    +1

    What if someone has died recently? I can’t stomach opening my wife’s death certificate let alone looking at the bloody thing so haven’t notified anyone who doesn’t already know…

    Everything’s so overwhelming these days…

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 14/03/2023 - 09:18

      @HelpMeiCantSee I'm sorry for your loss, and just don't know what to say. Do you have anyone close like a friend or relative that can assist? Someone you can trust, maybe a medical Practitioner, or clergyman?
      I found this on the Service NSW site, and there is a link to a service that does most of the work, however a death certificate will need to be provided.

      I would suggest trying to do this sooner rather than later, as I know one thing that would be really upsetting is receiving a fine (which will require submitting the death certificate as proof)

      I went through similar when my Mother passed away a few years back.

      IF you need someone to talk to there are phone services, but there are a few people on Ozbargain, that are quite often willing to talk via DM, albeit not all the time. I have a few people that have reached out to me, just as I have reached out to others.

    • sam-1966 on 14/03/2023 - 14:26
      +2

      When my husband's uncle passed away, I was able to notify the AEC/ECQ via their website.

      I'm happy to do this for you if would like me to - just DM me name, address and date of birth and I will take care of it for you - or a relative could take care of it.

      If you are unable to, you can tell the polling official you deal with and they can note it in their 'election journal' - it will be handled quickly and easily.

      Honestly, I get informed of this several times each election.

      • BewareOfThe Dog on 14/03/2023 - 23:11

        Thank you for reaching out. :⁠-⁠)

  • Chewy2221 on 14/03/2023 - 17:01
    +2

    I have worked as PPM & 2IC on numerous federal, state & local government elections. Invariably, someone will pose the question " why can't we vote electronically" ? The paper system is very slow & expensive but it does allow accountability in the event that the result is challenged, which is quite likely. Until the day that this can be overcome , the paper system is likely here to stay.

    • sss333 on 14/03/2023 - 17:51

      Electronic voting is in ACT elections at prepoll centres (and the same centres on polling day), not online voting however.

      Also the electronic electoral roll at ACT elections is waaaay better than using the paper one at federal, searching for people is so much faster.

    • davidmwilliams on 14/03/2023 - 18:43
      +1

      Yes! For sure. We have a very transparent and verifiable democratic process in Australia, and it's something we can be proud of.

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 14/03/2023 - 23:18

      Well the urban legend is the Russians voted for Trump.

    • sam-1966 on 16/03/2023 - 13:32

      When asked about on-line voting, I usually just say 'remember that census where the system crashed?' and people go, 'oh, yeah…'

  • BewareOfThe Dog on 14/03/2023 - 23:17
    -1

    At the end of the day, I was just trying to help people get through the day as quickly as possible.
    If an elderly ride lady on a walking frame like Mrs Schnell, Schell, Shell, Sheil, Neill, that spits when she talks, has a lisp, is hard of hearing and doesn't want to repeat her name , you will know why it makes it easier.

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