Hey fellas,
Was wondering you guys think about buying the GWM Haval Jolion or Ute for the long run. Toyota is just unjustifiably expensive and the queue is very long. I plan to keep the car for a while and since this is a relatively new Chinese company I was wondering what others thought of it. Would appreciate pros and cons from people who already have the car.
I really love the amount of technology and luxury this car provides, it does not feel cheap. Other than the pick up when accelerating, that's all that is holding me back.
it does not feel cheap
It's cheap where it counts though
Other than the pick up when accelerating
Probably because of the 1.5L engine with 105kw (compared to something like a CX5 which is 2.5L and 180kw)
luxury this car provides
Honestly these cars are the Toplace apartments of the car world. Cheap luxury fittings and I wouldn't want to own one.
What would you recommend for a car with decent specs that isnt costing me 60k?
@JJtoTheRadio: Kia Seltos or Hyundai Kona.
Proven reliable cars and value for money.
Sportage or Tucson if you need slightly larger.
@ChrisLevo: My friends Hyundai i30 had engine issues within 6.5 years. Tuk..tuk sound when he drives. Just for diagnosis and the dealership saying that its an engine issue, they charged him $750. Finally smole started coming from engine. All this happened when he serviced at Hyundai dealership only.
If you google, you can see many people reported the same issue.
Now he bought a Jolian. Some issues are there but he is happy.
@MondaySleeper: Opposite end here, my I30 SR has been going great and i drive the thing like an (profanity) (Yes i know that it is only a "warm" hatch but its still fun to flog around). Nothing quite like putting an 86/BRZ owner in their place with a I30 haha.
@Analytical Therapist: the only thing against the work i30 is the lumbar support. but i agree i otherwise enjoy zooming in them
@MondaySleeper: Hi @Sab2000,
Could you please tell us more about that Hyundai i30. Thanks.
Is it a:
( Petrol Engine or Diesel Engine ) ?
(Engine with Turbo ) or (Engine without Turbo ) ?
( 1.6L Engine / 1.8L Engine / 2.0L Engine ) ?
Thank you very much ☺
@JJtoTheRadio: Agree with ChrisLevo.
Looking at the Sportage Diesel SX+ or GT myself (GT close to that 60k mark though), SX+ is all the car you'd realistically ever need though. ~52k driveaway.
For the Sportage specifically, consider the diesel model though only. the 2.0 n/a won't give you much grunt and the turbo petrol 1.6l was really designed with the Cerato/small-mid hatchback size in mind.
@ReaperX22: This guy is right, the T-GDI 1.6l is amazing in the I30 SR/Cerato GT but it would be lackluster in something heavier like a Sportage.
Incorrect, 120 cannon or 162kw for the tank.
You need to specify which car you are talking about not just generalise it.
The tech is broken so not sure how you are in love with it. The lane assist does not work, manuals and infotainment is in chinglish. The engine is garbage. Other than that yes it's very luxurious, whatever that means.
can't you get your own mechanic to do it or do independents not like chinese cars or something?
From what I gather, the 7 year warranty is tied to the dealership mechanics.. happy to be corrected though :)
as far as I have read, Fair Trading, well for NSW, states "As long as the service is carried out in accordance with the manufacturer's specifications, any licensed repairer can do it" so usually warranty won't be affected unless it's something like that mitsubishi 10 year warranty, from what I can gather
As long as the service is carried out in accordance with the manufacturer's specifications
This is where they can get you. In the specs, they may require a certain task doing that requires tools that only the dealer has access to.
Use a (perfectly satisfactory) tool that's not the correct one, and they claim the specifications weren't followed.
@photonbuddy: No automotive manufacturers are required by law to provide access to tools for third licensed thirty parties
Warranty is only as good as your willingness to take dealer to court to honour it. Dealers will use every dirty trick to not pay!
90% of what I have read about GWM is that they are garbage. The other 10% must have been outlier lucky.
Cheap $ car brands are preying on the fact peope are SO DESPERATE to get a NEW CAR for a decent price, but the price won't be decent when you factor in your bleeding backside.
Lots of tech means lots of things to fail. You lose your car to the dealer who pretends to diagnose, wastes your time, does a software fix and hands you back a still broken car (see first sentence).
OP do some thorough research before buying one of these.
Thanks, can you link me some of these reviews please i really cant seem to find negative about this company, which isnt a good thing
You lose your car to the dealer who pretends to diagnose, wastes your time, does a software fix and hands you back a still broken car
^this is the biggest issue.
Especially for tech issues that are not a big enough problem that you want to waste further time going to court, but it must get pretty tempting on the 3rd or 4th time taking the car in for the same problem.
i had issues with mitsubishi and nissan against new car warranty, they aren't any better
Same with Ford
Hi @Johnfu
Could you please tell us more about that:
Is/are the issue(s) related to
engine / transmission / electronics ?
how bad are the problem?
Thank you very much.
@acd: 2019 mitsubishi triton mr, warped rotors, mitsubishi wont repair
2017 nissan navara, transmission issues, nissan cant find fault after 2 times going to the dealer and showing issues, wont repair
@johnfuller: I'm not saying that the dealer was correct in denying a warranty claim, but the following is an example of a dispute about this item taken to the UK equivalent of the NSW MVRIC/Fair Trading/Ombudsman:
Warped brake discs(I am unsure of exactly which make/model)
Posted onMay 11, 2020CategoriesCase StudiesNew Car
The consumer’s issue:
“I took my ‘66-registered hybrid hatchback, which I bought new, to the dealership for its three-year service and first MOT. I had only done 15,700 miles at this stage, but the car failed its MOT on 23rd August 2019 due to warped rear brake discs. This car has been driven with care, and I have never seen this happen before.
When I questioned the findings of the business, I was told the damage could have been the result of the car not being used enough, or that I had been braking too hard. If this was the case, surely harsh braking would have caused the front brakes to burn out rather than the rear brakes to become warped.
I was charged £200 for the cost of the repair, and as a resolution to the complaint, I would like the manufacturer to reimburse me for this work, as the damage should have been covered by the existing five-year new car warranty.”
The accredited business’ response:
The customer contacted us (the vehicle manufacturer) on 23rd August 2019 to advise that his vehicle had not passed its first MOT due to the rear brake pads and discs failure.
They explained that the dealership was trying to charge them for the replacing the parts rather than claiming under the warranty.
We contacted the Service Manager at the dealership who told us that the brake discs and pads had warped, and believed that this damage was caused by wear and tear, rather than being a manufacturing defect. Therefore a warranty claim was not submitted.
Our warranty department relies on the diagnosis provided by the dealership, as we cannot physically see the car for ourselves.
Brakes are a component which are subject to different levels of wear and tear, depending on vehicle usage and driving style, and we cannot give a guaranteed time for which they will last.
Whilst we appreciate the consumer may have expected the parts to last longer than they did, unfortunately these have failed due to wear and tear and not a manufacturing defect.
The adjudication outcome:
The Motor Ombudsman adjudicator noted that it was not disputed that the brakes had failed, and the manufacturer stated that it was due to wear and tear rather than being the result of a manufacturing defect.
The adjudicator agreed with this position, and concluded that the customer did not provide evidence, such as a technical report, to dispute the dealership technician’s findings that the failure was a result of wear and tear.
The adjudicator addressed the consumer’s concerns regarding the lifespan of the failed parts and advised that wear and tear items can fail at any stage, and the failure can be caused by various reasons, such as driving style and road conditions etc.
In order to consider the case further, the adjudicator gave the consumer the option of providing an independent report to substantiate their position.
The customer did not provide any further evidence, meaning that their complaint was not upheld.
Conclusion:
Both parties agreed with the adjudication outcome, and the case was closed with no further action taken by either party.
https://www.themotorombudsman.org/case-studies/warped-brake-…
warranty is only good if parts are available. Friend is waiting 3 months on a plastic bumper for his MG ZST and keep in this mind this car in the top 10 cars sold in australia last month so really baffles my mind.
Yeah they are saving all the bumpers for new cars to sell.
Current day MGs are terrible cars. The only reason they are in the top 10 at the moment is because you will struggle to buy anything else due to shortages and they have stock of the MG because nobody wants them.
Can you link me the details for GWM Cannon or tank as they are definitely more reliable than ford which cost up to 3 times as much.
Gwm have been around for a while. Plenty of info around as to how they were, and how they treated warranty repairs in the past. Hint: it wasn't good. Whether this has changed, I don't know, but I doubt it, and wouldn't buy one myself. This sentiment is shared by a lot of people, so expect your resale value to be poor.
Anywhere you can link me to a review or testimonial like this, I can't seem to find a lot of negative comments about the car which makes me suspicious about the legitimacy of the reviews.
It's from when they were here previously as just great wall, not gwm.
This is where the real bargain is, getting one that's 2-3 years old at half price, if you are so inclined. Risking a lot less money then
This was my first option cant find a GWM Cannon for 15k the 3 yr old are close to new pricing
They probably are not that bad, but the (KG-Korea) formerly ssangyong musso is cheaper and better IMHO. It has proven reliability, and the ride is refined
Thanks for this, definitely need to check this one out. Do you have one of these?
The household has one, it has been great. I can't believe I get that amount of "car" for the price of a corolla
@JJtoTheRadio: product review is a gasbagging website also 4.6/5 out of 67 scores is not bad, for comparison hilux score is 3.6 GWM ute is 3.8
its just that there is only 2 people who are disgruntled owners bothered to write (as they do). checkout auto reviews and owner reviews on forums.
@JJtoTheRadio: The GWM ute comes in a little bit cheaper than the Musso.. even more with an ABN ($2k off)
@JJtoTheRadio: If you see my reply post above, surely not as scary as the safety issue (driving, not ANCAP) posts, check them out.
Other issue is Ssangyong went broke and have been taken over by KG and will be rebranded KG, so wonder how that affect resale price and warranties (not even one of the so-called journalists raised this important issue to owners or potential purchasers).
Before that, I had abandoned the Haval and was thinking of Ssangyong Korando.
@JJtoTheRadio: You mean scary good right? The Jolion gets 3 stars out of 5:
https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/haval-jolion-lux
But the Musso gets 4.6 out of 5, which is astoundingly good.
I've got one, very happy with it.
That said it's got like 1500kms on It, so hasn't been long at all.
i agree that there are good korean / india ute are in the market which are reliable and cheaper.
test drive it and test driver other cars you like
Its more than test driving, does the car hold up for multiple years of use or will it break down?
Buy one and let us know in 8 years.
It's also not just about "will it last 8 years" but will you be able to sell it? If you fork out 30k on a car and only get $2k back in 10 years, oops.
Its for the long run, selling isnt my issue then i'd go buy a toyota corolla
This is a nonesense comment. If you buy a GWM for $30k and sell it in 8 years for $2k, you have lost $28k…
If you buy a Toyota for $60k and sell it in 8 years for $30k, you have lost $30k.
I bought a GWM ute a few years ago for about $30k and sold it for $18k a few years later.
Friend of mine laughed about how much money I lost on it (about $12k). He bought a Dmax for $50k and sold it not long after I sold mine and he only got $25k for it. He lost almost the total cost of my vehicle, basically double what I lost on my GWM.
@pegaxs: Maybe he absolutely flogged that Dmax though!
If you are in the selling your car after a few years, 6 months makes all the difference in timing sometimes
@pegaxs: No, if you buy a $30k car and sell it for $2k you've had a functional car for 8 years, then the next person (student, apprentice, low SES family) have access to a $2k car.
Why are people so obsessed with the residual value on cars? It's a car you are buying to be a car, not an investment! This is what got us into the crazy housing market we are in, thinking about things as investments and not things you need.
ETA: Sorry, reactive comment before I got to the end of yours, my general sentiment still stands though.
Any car will hold up if maintained but no car will with no maintanence
I think you get what you pay for. Have you read the reddit comments? https://www.reddit.com/r/CarsAustralia/comments/10af7sb/hava…
Other than the battery seems ok, but that is suspiciously bad.
Good reviews, poor resale value was my takeaway from the comments
If you read the comments the biggest concern is RUST
Will tell you in eight years time
Get it. Seeing more of Havals on the road these days.
same
Bought a H6 2 years ago and have been happy with it. Service costs are fixed and disclosed (and reasonable). Had no breakdowns or problems at all, and the value for money is second to none.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 You really come out with some garbage!
I am wondering why governments worldwide are cutting off access to TikTok?
Why are governments of the Asia/Pacific region making strenuous moves to cooperate to form defensive alliances aimed at sending clear signals to China that their aggressive foreign policy will not be allowed to progress anymore without opposition?
Garbage?
No Mr. Village People, you need to keep more up to date with world affairs.
This thread is about a car, in case your tin foil slipped off your head and covered your eyes.
Govts are playing up to anti China sentiment banning TikTok. Facebook and google are doing exactly the same thing as TikTok just they don’t have direct links to a foreign government.
Have you heard of Cambridge Analytica? Lol clown logic
All these governments are western powers…
Every purchase of your clothing, utensils, even blanket that was all made in China increases the probability of an invasion of Taiwan
I purposely keep my purchase of Chinese made goods to an absolute minimum, especially big ticket items.
I urge everyone else to do the same.
This most recent purchase, although very small in $ terms, was made with observance to where the product was made:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/323900656082?var=512932336694
I make ALL of my purchase decisions on the same basis.
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Every stupid, misinformed statement about China increases the likelihood of an invasion of Taiwan
My statements are neither stupid or misinformed.
Governments worldwide are making decisions aimed at reducing the possibility that China will have a "free pass" in subjugating or influencing nations in the Asia/Pacific region.
Spend less time watching MAFS(Morons At First Sight) and more time becoming informed about current affairs.
It will help with your outlook, and your decision making.
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China already enjoys a huge balance of payments surplus.
Please explain how buying a Chinese branded car will embolden them further.
Western governments with something to lose when a different power rises…
Idiotic comment. Every purchase of anything US tech helps fund the genocide of Muslims.
Brb Searching for Weapons, Brb stealing oil, brb liberating people from the Taliban to give it back
/logic
No Muslims died protecting Australia from Japanese invasion in World War 2.
AGAIN I SAY TO YOU, AND OTHERS WITH LIMITED KNOWLEDGE, LEARN SOME MODERN HISTORY.
@TightAl: No, I am very well versed in world affairs, and know with complete certainty that China vociferously threatens Australia with terms such as "consequences" for wanting to defend ourselves and our allies in the region from their aggressive military threats.
I also know with complete certainty that the USA guarantees to help us, via alliances stretching back to World War 2 to defend us.
LEARN SOME MODERN HISTORY.
@Leadfoot6: Haha you're clueless, cherry picking at it's finest.
For some reason Australia is the one buying subs, if China is so threatening why aren't it's neighbours doing the same?
Last I checked, America has dragged Australia in 4 different conflicts.
You've gone senile
What Miltary threat?
Like US's 700 bases around the world? Lmao
@TightAl: From your responses, I can tell that you never had a father who volunteered to fight to defend this country.
Mine did, and his life was significantly curtailed due to injuries and illnesses suffered.
My mother has been a war widow for a period of 45 years…..longer than having my father alive after their marriage in 1944.
When you are in the equivalent situation as to suffering loss from having a family member fighting for this country, and me taking a VERY close interest in wanting to learn about their sacrifice via studying World War 2 history at a high level for over 40 years from high school onwards, please let me know.
It seems that you don't appreciate the benefits of living in a society where your rights and freedoms were protected by servicemen like my father, and our US allies.
In fact, it appears that you hate Australia.
Please go to a country where your values are more closely aligned and stop being a hypocrite.
@Leadfoot6: You're obviously a boomer and some reason you want to continue the tradition of men dying for no good reason.
if you want to repeat history, go for it.
Your sinophoiba gets in the way of your critical thinking. You've addressed absolutely nothing and continued with your ramblings that make no sense.
@TightAl: Australia only RESPONDED to Japanese hostility in World War 2.
We, or the USA, did not INITIATE hostility with Japan, which commenced in the Pacific region with the unprovoked Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour on December 7 1941.
I urge you to visit the memorial of the sunken battleship USS Arizona sitting still on the bottom of Pearl Harbour in Hawaii, where there are 1,102 US sailors entombed within.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Arizona_Memorial
I have.
It might give you some perspective.
You most certainly need it.
I have no personal experience, but….
Good points:
Chinese vehicles are rapidly improving in quality, they are catching up to the Koreans fast.
Good bang for buck.
Long warranty.
There’s quite a few around
Bad points:
Resale value will not be good. No one wants a cheap Chinese car out of warranty.
If you build them cheaper, there are corners cut somewhere. Cheaper materials and assembly will reduce longevity. By how much? Very hard to measure.
Their drivetrain tech (stuff you can’t see) is typically a little behind the industry leaders as they licence older engine/transmission models from other manufacturers. It’s cheaper than designing their own.
If travelling long distances you won’t get as good service in ‘the outback’ because mechanics aren’t as familiar with them.
Parts supply could be an issue. One of the cost cutting things they do is not stock heaps of parts for repairs which means if you do get a let failure it could be a long wait.
Aftermarket parts aren’t as common. Eg You won’t get a lift kit or bullbar for the ute cheap or have as many options. Roof racks harder to come by etc.
Yea warranty and service is always a problem, especially for a lwss known brand like this since they cant even face backlash for their actions
Good point, with Haval we are only seeing a mediocre global product. Go have a look at their domestic BEV offering from BYD and Li Xiang both miles ahead of Haval in terms of design, looks and technology.
It’s not that they CANT build quality, just that they’ve CHOSEN to build down to a price. They know that to get a strong hold in western markets they need to compete on price until they build a reputation. Just like the Japanese, then the Koreans.
Also interested in opinions. 7 year warranty/unlimited KMs sounds good, service every 10000 KMs through GWM doesn't..