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[VIC] $3000 Subsidy for Purchase of a New Eligible Electric Vehicle @ Victorian Government
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randomchecker on 08/06/2023 - 09:39 solar.vic.gov.au (259 clicks)
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Pretty sure this would have been posted in 2021 when the Vic subsidy was first announced, so this is more a reminder that the subsidy is now ending.

Vic's budget a few weeks ago didn't mention this, so after 2 years, Victoria ends its subsidy, but maintains its EV levy.
Originally budget for $46M, the takeup so far leaves about $8.3M left to shizzle the ozbargain out of it
(For anyone interested, QLD offer $6K as a subsidy)

Source:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-pulls-p…

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  • snoopydoop on 08/06/2023 - 09:42

    The cheapest car this would apply for would be like 60k+ right?

    • RG146 on 08/06/2023 - 09:50
      +1

      Just click the link, cobba…

      "with a purchase price (dutiable value) under the threshold of $68,740"

      • snoopydoop on 08/06/2023 - 11:39

        Yeah I saw that, but it has to be a new car right? So there aren't really many for sale under around that right?

        Or has there been some cheaper ones come onto the market I'm not aware of? I'm not very knowledgeable about car brands.

        • Sqz66 on 08/06/2023 - 12:16

          There's the MG ZS and BYD Atto, both around $48k drive away.

        • bio on 08/06/2023 - 12:17

          The cheapest is the Chinese brand GWM Ora starting at $45K. BYD Atto 3 is around $48K. I'm not sure if those are driveaway figures, though.

  • Trying2SaveABuck on 08/06/2023 - 09:44
    -8

    Apparently there is some people saying EVs produce more Carbon on average then ICE cars -

    as the process/mining to get the 'materials' used to make the batteries that only last 7-10 years produces 70% more carbon then ICE cars (in which ICE cars Engines can last 30 years)

    If that was the case all the green idiots are selling you a lie

    • Stopback on 08/06/2023 - 09:47
      +3

      It's about exporting the pollution to offshore nations.

    • jv on 08/06/2023 - 09:48

      EVs produce more Carbon on average then ICE cars

      They do.

      Governments need to spend more on research to enable us to make big jumps in battery technologies and make them safer and more economical.

    • 0FoxGiven on 08/06/2023 - 09:48
      +9

      Na the ICE enthu idiots toting that nonsense are the ones lying. Mr.Bean recently wrote an opinion piece full of the same nonsense. More knowledgable people wrote a piece in reply

      • Trying2SaveABuck on 08/06/2023 - 10:26
        +3

        a website for EVs is a reliable source?

        i support a 'greener' future but i dont support the green idiots raging about the environment without evidence we are actually helping it

        im not convinced EVs are better but as someone said cars in general are probably bad, as are private jets and planes etc

        • 0FoxGiven on 08/06/2023 - 10:28
          +1

          I dont disagree with "..cars in general are probably bad, as are private jets and planes etc". Saying ICE is greener than EV is what is stupid.

          • Trying2SaveABuck on 08/06/2023 - 10:31

            @0FoxGiven:

            Saying ICE is greener than EV is what is stupid.

            i said the processing produces 70% more CO and the batteries only last 7-10 years which is a 'fact'

            The only people 'stupid' are the ones who ignore the facts

            The running of ICE cars does produce more CO2 (obviously) but people need to look at the entire process not just the CO2 out of the exhaust

            i personally DO NOT think current EVs are better for the environment (or not by much) however i think as battery recycling and life span technology advances it will become way more Green to have EVs

            Perhaps look at the cost/CO2 emissions on the processing of rare/critical minerals and Lithium….compared to the oil needed for ICE cars you would be surprised

            • 0FoxGiven on 08/06/2023 - 11:05
              +1

              @Trying2SaveABuck:

              • EV batteries are guaranteed to last 8-10 years. But should generally last 10-20 years. So 7-10 years is not a "fact". Also the newer batteries are expected to be million+ miles batteries.
              • Battery recycling is not all the way there yet but at-least it is somewhere and getting better. Liquid dinomass cannot be recycled.
              • People who buy EVs generally can also afford to have renewable energy generation at home I would think. In Oz, every person I know who now owns an EV (6 in total) have large PV systems at home.
              • I 100% agree with "..as battery recycling and life span technology advances it will become way more Green to have EVs"
              • Trying2SaveABuck on 08/06/2023 - 11:40
                -4

                @0FoxGiven:

                EV batteries are guaranteed to last 8-10 years. But should generally last 10-20 years. So 7-10 years is not a "fact". Also the newer batteries are expected to be million+ miles batteries.

                is it what i mean by mis-information by 'green idiots'

                In the recent history of EVs no car batteries have lasted 20 years with 'normal' drive use. - Not ever close

                Batteries GENERALLY dont even last 10 years from a practical stand point - most of the research suggest around 4-5 years and there is a large drop in performance IE less km to each charge as the battery looses efficiency

                This article suggest….
                https://www.autozone.com/diy/battery/how-long-should-a-car-b… - replacement need to occur every 3-5 years

                https://auto.howstuffworks.com/under-the-hood/vehicle-mainte… - replacement every 4 years under normal driving conditions

                Elon Musk has said "your Tesla batteries last for 300,000 to 500,000 miles, or 1,500 battery cycles. That's around 22 to 37 years for someone driving an average of 40 miles a day." when in practice
                Studies have them lasting 8 years
                https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/how-long-do-tesla-batt…
                which is proof you cant always 'believe' what you read

                most articles and studies have EVs lasting well under 10 years with normal driving patterns far less if they are exposed to extreme weather conditions in which large numbers of Australians live either near the sea or in high temp climate which would further reduce battery life (According to research)

                I could go on but 10 years imho is a generous upper limit for EVs - so my point stands with modern tech EVs are no better for the planet then ICE cars

                I do believe as the tech progress the change to EV will favor a greener planet but we are not their yet and i think we are still at least 20 years away

                People who buy EVs generally can also afford to have renewable energy generation at home I would think. In Oz, every person I know who now owns an EV (6 in total) have large PV systems at home.

                this is (probably) true - that doesnt mean the 'overall' process is producing less CO2 then ICE cars? (esp when you consider the life cycle of ICE cars is north of 25 years)

                To all the Woke/Green morons Science > Feelings - im Science is the only way to save the planet and protect it from further harm not you idiot agendas

                • donkcat on 08/06/2023 - 11:54
                  +3

                  @Trying2SaveABuck:

                  In the recent history of EVs no car batteries have lasted 20 years with 'normal' drive use. - Not ever close

                  Batteries GENERALLY dont even last 10 years from a practical stand point - most of the research suggest around 4-5 years

                  Lets just understand your position and more importantly your agenda. You claim that batteries normally don't last 10 years and last more like 4-5. So answer this simple question. Why do most EV manufacturers guarantee the battery for 8 years (or 160k kms)? Have a read through this, none of it supports your claims
                  https://www.carsguide.com.au/ev/advice/electric-car-battery-…

                  Furthermore studies

                  Battery replacements are quite rare. In our community of 15,000 cars, only 1.5% have been replaced (outside of big recalls like Chevy Bolt).
                  How long is that EV battery going to last? The one simple answer is that we don’t know for sure because electric cars have not been around long enough for us to tell. The best we can do is observe the apparent degradation in those cars on the road.
                  Even that observation can prove a challenge, though, since most EVs have been on the road well under six years, with almost 30% sold in 2022.
                  We still have very little sense of how they degrade over their lifetime - which car makers say should be as long as 20 years. So far, it seems that EV batteries have much longer lifespans than anyone imagined, since very few of them have been replaced, even once the 8-year, 100,000 mile warranty period ends.
                  https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/how-long-do-ev-batter…

                  • randomchecker on 08/06/2023 - 12:27

                    @donkcat: one 1 car real world scenario, but let's go with that:
                    https://thedriven.io/2022/06/15/tesla-model-s-owner-passes-i…

                    Car manufacturer's aren't banking on you driving this amount of Km's in extreme weather…so on the whole, probably factor in a low percentage with 1 battery replacement. This guy needed 3 and 4 motors replaced within his warranty period.
                    Given he averages 200,000km / year, and the last battery (2nd hand -> and no idea why it was 2nd hand!) only does about started at 340km range (now doing 310km) he must be recharging the car at least twice EVERY day of the year.

                    EDIT: There is, however, a problem. While the longevity of the batteries in his Model S has been remarkable, he says he is now onto his eighth motor.

                    While the first motor lasted 778,000km, he says the last four lasted only 200,000km each.

                    • donkcat on 08/06/2023 - 12:37

                      @randomchecker:

                      While the first motor lasted 778,000km, he says the last four lasted only 200,000km each.

                      I wonder if there is an issue with retrofitting motors, I mean 780k is incredible but there are many Telsa's with well over 200k kms that haven't required a new motor. Guess you get this when you're an early adopter.
                      Anyway does all this bloke do is drive to break EV records?

                • bobswinkle on 08/06/2023 - 12:31
                  +2

                  @Trying2SaveABuck: What? You have a truly bizarre idea of what a "study" is… You cited one article in your entire comment, and that article does not say what you say it does. Quote:
                  "The reported results have the Model S using 58.5kWh, roughly 83 per cent of their original 70kWh capacity."

                  83% of overall capacity is still a working battery… Literally no-one is saying they'll be at 100% capacity… It's also an old battery relative to current battery tech.

                  Meanwhile, an actual study on this issue says current "batteries are estimated to last at least 1,500 to 3,000 cycles before they lose 20% of capacity, giving an electric car with 450 km of range a battery lifetime of 450k to 1,350k km.": https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S254243511….

                  You call everyone else morons, appeal to science, then not cite a single study in your comment and instead a bunch of non-scientific anecdotes or opinions. The article posted above refers to a number of subject matter experts, all of which debunked Mr Bean's nonsense by citing actual studies.

                  You are not on the side of science despite your protestations to the contrary. You're ideologically driven and spitting crap.

                  • Trying2SaveABuck on 08/06/2023 - 12:42
                    -2

                    @bobswinkle: Maybe read you own 'article'

                    'Recent studies found that shared autonomous vehicles with a size dependent on the trip made could (depending on implementation) result in a further 10-fold reduction in use of raw materials, energy, particulate emissions, and spatial footprint, especially when combined with (electric) bikes and public transport. Therefore, models will increasingly need to look beyond mere GHG emission reduction and address other planetary and societal constraints as well.'

                    they are essentially saying the process to producing said batteries needs to reduced in scale due to the emissions

                    "Scientific research could establish how models can be constructed that find quick and cost-effective transition pathways toward such futures"

                    This is essentially what i said the 'technology isnt there yet but one day it might be"

                    I think i have the right to call idiots, idiots as - i am right - although i appreciate this article i enjoyed reading it i wonder if we could get a systematic review of all reseach ideally not from Germany who has a history about lying regarding emossions ie VW scandle

                    Lastly
                    "BEVs reduce emissions from 244 to 98 g/km. In a fully renewable system, BEV emission could decrease to 10 g/km."

                    How many EVs on the planet are being 'charged' by fully renewable energy"? how many in Australia?

                    Currently the ENTIRE planet is on about 30% of renewable power…..this article is making a giant assumption EVs are powered by clean energy which it is pretty much not possible - this article has some good points but it reeks of bias and assuptions that work in favor of EVs

                    Here is another article chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1549706/FULLTEXT01.pdf

                    "Buchal et al. even claims that a diesel vehicle (the Mercedes C 220 d) emits less GHG emissions than an equivalent BEV (the Tesla Model 3 with a 74 kWh NCA battery and 450 km range)." - but it is amazing you ignore that….

                    "Green IDIOTS"

                    • bobswinkle on 08/06/2023 - 12:48
                      +1

                      @Trying2SaveABuck: Lmao. You literally try to read everything you want to read into everything don't you? You have a world view, and no matter what any article, study, etc. says you will slot your own world view into it…

                      'Recent studies found that shared autonomous vehicles with a size dependent on the trip made could (depending on implementation) result in a further 10-fold reduction in use of raw materials, energy, particulate emissions, and spatial footprint, especially when combined with (electric) bikes and public transport. Therefore, models will increasingly need to look beyond mere GHG emission reduction and address other planetary and societal constraints as well.'

                      This is saying "We can do things better." Not "what we're doing now is worse than ICE cars". It's a call to action to improve, not in any possible way saying that the status quo regarding BEVs is worse than ICE cars.

                      "Scientific research could establish how models can be constructed that find quick and cost-effective transition pathways toward such futures"

                      See above. This is a call for action, not saying that the current trajectory away from ICE is bad, but that we should strive to do even better again.

                      "BEVs reduce emissions from 244 to 98 g/km. In a fully renewable system, BEV emission could decrease to 10 g/km."

                      Dear god you must go back to high school and improve your reading comprehension. This is saying there is a 60% reduction UNDER THE STATUS QUO OF SYSTEM THAT IS NOT FULLY RENEWABLE. A FULLY RENEWABLE WOULD BE 96% REDUCTION. IT'S ANOTHER CALL TO ARMS.

                      Dear god mate, you really need to examine whether you are mentally capable of looking at these things objectively. In all three of the above quotes you spun them in a way which is not only wrong, it's not even remotely what they're saying.

                      • Trying2SaveABuck on 08/06/2023 - 12:54
                        -2

                        @bobswinkle:

                        Dear god mate, you really need to examine whether you are mentally capable of looking at these things objectively. In all three of the above quotes you spun them in a way which is not only wrong, it's not even remotely what they're saying.

                        Im just 'quoting' the article you posted boss dont cry when i call you out. - for being misinformed

                        Im not 'anti-EV' im anti Idiot

                        EVs are being sold to ppl as this 'green solution' when put on the microscope there is evdiance to suggest they are NOT better then ICE and even if they are they are not stastically signficantly better (which is important)

                        I DO believe EVs are the future in the sense when battery tech hits a point of efficency it will surpass ICE cars but I DO NOT believe that time has come. NOR DOES the evidance support EVs being much better then ICE cars.

                        The fact we are getting tax cuts and rebates on something that doesnt 'actually' help the planet needs to be stated - i personally think until we use Nuclear enegy which is pretty much CO2 free we wont able to power out EV without the use of FF (which is the real problem)

                        GREEN IDIOTS - who are against techonology progressing via Nuclear power seem to never mention this

                        the story is EVs 'might' be better overall then ICE but the water is muddy at best - SO STOP SELLING A LIE until you can CLEARLY FACTUALLY prove what you are saying

                        • bobswinkle on 08/06/2023 - 12:56

                          @Trying2SaveABuck: Hahahahaha bloody hellfire you're stupid. I didn't once say I had a problem with you quoting what I posted. I just pointed out that the very quotes you pulled out say the opposite of what you think they say.

                          You seem to have a habit of it. You may want to work on your reading comprehension. Four times now you have quoted something (including something you yourself posted) and claims it says the absolute opposite of what it actually says.

                          You may want to look in the mirror to find the idiot.

                          • Trying2SaveABuck on 08/06/2023 - 13:00
                            -1

                            @bobswinkle:

                            You seem to have a habit of it. You may want to work on your reading comprehension. Four times now you have quoted something (including something you yourself posted) and claims it says the absolute opposite of what it actually says.

                            you cant change a direct quote - it is nothing todo with comprehension

                            The study assums charging of EVs is 100% renewable (which maybe one day will happen but it is not possible to change everyones cars to EVs and charge them with renewables) - if you cannot understand this then i cannot help you

                            There is a subject called reseach methods or Evidance based practice you do at Uni

                            It essentailly teaches you not only to read reseach but to 'question its validity, biases, assumption and application' this study has made a VERY large assumption - i just pointed that out and you do not like being wrong

                            Id also point out the study to posted was from Germany and they have ZERO credbaility when it comes to emissions reseach - and i wouldnt trust the reseach about it without a number of peer reviews as they have lied in the past

                            • bobswinkle on 08/06/2023 - 13:04

                              @Trying2SaveABuck: It literally does not assume that. Are you reading a different study? It says that it may change to fully renewable over time, and that would be great, but even under the status quo there's a huge reduction in emissions. I'm just in awe of your ability to read what you want. I'm wondering if you are wearing some special glasses? It's honestly impressive.

                              • Trying2SaveABuck on 08/06/2023 - 14:14

                                @bobswinkle:

                                I'm just in awe of your ability to read what you want. I'm wondering if you are wearing some special glasses? It's honestly impressive.

                                Bahaha i have dyslexia so yes im meant too - so you might be right

                        • bobswinkle on 08/06/2023 - 13:07

                          @Trying2SaveABuck: The funniest thing about this whole thing is that I actually agree 100% with the proposition that we shouldn't be subsidising people buying electric cars. Because we don't have enough supply, and they're all being bought already. I get into arguments with "Greens idiots" all the time and this. But I argued in good faith without just making shit up.

                • 0FoxGiven on 08/06/2023 - 13:53

                  @Trying2SaveABuck: Wow!! I just can't …. You think the car battery in an ICE vehicle and EVs are the same?

                  Lol I'm out

                  • Trying2SaveABuck on 08/06/2023 - 14:06

                    @0FoxGiven: LMAO what are smoking - i never said that nor do i believe it

                    Standard fake outrage comment from another LWNJ

                    • 0FoxGiven on 08/06/2023 - 17:46

                      @Trying2SaveABuck: LMAO… your links and "facts" for your justification on batteries lasting less than 8 years are on car batteries thats are used in ICE cars and not EVs. The "study" link for the Tesla use case you shared was proving that it was still working well even after around 240k km in 8 years, not that it failed within 8 years.

                      Standard dumb arguments with no facts whatsoever

                      • Trying2SaveABuck on 08/06/2023 - 18:49
                        -1

                        @0FoxGiven: the study i link was mentioned in the study OP linked as a rebuttal….

                        lmao clearly didnt read anything just mouthing off

                        im done with you - your clearly misinformed - probably a Greens voter lmao

                        • 0FoxGiven on 08/06/2023 - 20:01

                          @Trying2SaveABuck: Lol you replied directly to my comment and even quoted me. And you make hilarious comments like "in the 'recent' history of EVs no car batteries last even 20 years.." and then link articles to ICE engine car batteries lasting less that five years and more nonsense.

                          I was done with you a while ago but you just had to come back to spout even more bull****. You clearly can't even form a logical sentence and know nothing about the basics of a battery. Probably part of the Flat Earther society too lmao

            • billy_bob on 08/06/2023 - 12:07

              @Trying2SaveABuck: I agree with you 100% but have given up trying to convince the "sheeple". I have come to accept that common sense is actually not that common……sadly.

              • Trying2SaveABuck on 08/06/2023 - 12:14
                -2

                @billy_bob:

                I agree with you 100% but have given up trying to convince the "sheeple". I have come to accept that common sense is actually not that common……sadly.

                the Gen-Z inparticular and general greens voters are just idiots

              • Trying2SaveABuck on 08/06/2023 - 14:12

                @billy_bob:

                I have come to accept that common sense is actually not that common……sadly.

                'walk me' though your common sense

                People Say EVs are Environment friendlier then ICE cars - on the surface this make sense one uses FF the other is electric so simplotons think - yes this is fact

                My arguement is the manufacturing of EVs (mainly the battery) and the lack of recycling battery tach actually produce just as much CO2 if not more and creates more unessary waste with batteries being replace every 7 or so years?

                ——-now at this point i think we 'agree with each other' ?

                Or am i getting this wrong?

                where i am different to most ppl is i think reducing CO2 output is pointless just invest in Carbon Freezing Tech and Nuclear power and we have solved our energy and CO2 problems but the lefties wont like that solution it doesnt involve radical change and stops them from pushing other agendas

      • noisymime on 08/06/2023 - 11:03
        +4

        There are some absolutely atrocious arguments in that article, even putting aside the fact that it takes 16 paragraphs before it even starts with any evidence. Things like this "Tony Seba says EVs are already doing five times more kilometres over their lifetime than ICE vehicles and with 2 million km batteries going into mass production next year, a single EV will soon replace 10 ICE vehicles over its lifetime."

        Given the current ICE average lifetime is about 240,000km, he's claiming EVs will be doing 1.2 million KMs on average and therefore replacing 10 ICE vehicles, which is honestly just stupid. Even if the battery lasts that long, the rest of the car won't and it will become economically non-viable to keep it running before it gets anywhere close to that amount of use.

    • giventofly on 08/06/2023 - 10:04

      That’s actually true. But they’re not green idiots. It’s greenwashing done by the auto industry to make people feel better about driving everywhere.

      If you truly care about the climate and the earth, don’t buy a car. We need car-lite societies

    • muwu on 08/06/2023 - 10:44
      +1

      in which ICE cars Engines can last 30 years

      And there's the kicker.

      I've only owned one car, and the modest sedan in its 24th year reminds me every day how privileged I am to be capable of affording private transportation, and diligent maintenance ensures it's comfortable, and safe (along with safe driving behaviour). I hope choosing LPG and making home and work decisions that allow 90% of my commutes to be local (<5km) helps minimise the environmental impact.

      We're just a bunch of idiots in Australia buying new cars, these stupid big SUVs, 4WD or Hiluxs, exchanging them for the next new big thing after a few years, and doing it all with consumer debt.

      • Trying2SaveABuck on 08/06/2023 - 10:54
        +1

        Blame the government and needless consumerism our tax system is made on

        Too many tax breaks are given to business for cars and items they do not need.

        Ive long be an advocate of getting rid of all taxes bar consonption taxes (ie 100% GST) to reduce the pointless consumption and minimise carbon foot print, deforestation etc but morons have built a system that is killing out planet

        I blame the Greens party who are meant to advocate for the environment but have become a party of socialist lunatics pushing mis-informed opinions to the masses of idiots

      • tunzafun001 on 08/06/2023 - 11:02
        +1

        Tax relief made sense when we had local manufacturing….

  • jv on 08/06/2023 - 09:45
    -4

    Vic's budget a few weeks ago didn't mention this

    Of course not…

    Why would you expect Dan to be transparent about what he does????

  • Pcosmic on 08/06/2023 - 10:25
    -7

    EV & 5G is dangerous to humanity

    • muwu on 08/06/2023 - 10:47
      +8

      So is stupidity

    • Feeblely on 08/06/2023 - 10:48

      You forgot to add the vaccine and moon landing too

  • urahara on 08/06/2023 - 10:37

    Been using a model 3 and been charging it for free at few local locations. Technically haven't paid a single penny until now.
    Scraping this would mean less people at charging station :) . Better than spending dollars on oil and better for environment.

  • labyrinthinecities on 09/06/2023 - 15:07

    sad news. unfortunately as much as i'd love to get an EV I don't have the funds to get a new one :')

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