Was looking for a Tesla wall charger and a quick google search returned this store that has a reduced price on the wall connector. Not a huge discount, but still better than paying full price.
Note: The price does not include the cost of installation
@Sometingwong: I don't owned any of those. My iX1 charges at 22kW and I don't know your definition of mass market but only the MGs and BYDs are real mass market EVs. But the iX1 also isn't that expensive or exotic in any way so it's relatively mass market I would say!
@wayl: Beautiful car. Just a different definition of odd. Definitely more and more cars coming out with 22kw ac charging.
@Sometingwong: Once you've had 22kW it's annoying when you have to charge at 11kW unless it's overnight. My iX and iX1 both charges at 22kW, but my Model Y is only 11kW. Annoying!
If you are getting 3 phase only for the purpose of charging your car, then it's not worth it.
The Tesla Wall Charger caps out at 11 KW on a 3 phase compared to 7.4 KW on a Single Phase 32 amp. https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/support/home-charging-installati…
A 3 phase can help you with your solar exports and limits depending on your location.
The model 3 and Y caps out at 11kw. However an S or X should go to 22kw with this charger.
Should get 3 phase if you are building a new house and the cost is a lot less than after the house is built.
Depending on the wall charger and the car. You can get up to 22kW.
I have 3 phase, Tesla car and Tesla charger definetely caps at 11kw/hr
Ive seen videos with 3rd party products to increase the kw/hr but will be voiding the warranty
I called Tesla, when I got the charger installed..
High voltage charge isnt recommended for long run i.e., superchargers. So they cap it.
No Tesla car and charger doesn't cap at 11Kw. YOUR Tesla caps at 11kW.
@wayl: Tesla car doesnt caps when at Supercharger
250kW of direct current (DC) power to the battery unless that bypasses onboard charger
Tesla service rep on phone told me thats the charger.. I dont have non Tesla car to test.
You have non Tesla car and Tesla charger?
@777: It's not the charger, it's the car. You obviously have a Model 3/Y. They have a max of 11kW. Model S/X are 22kW I believe. I have two BMWs that charge at 22kW with the Tesla Gen 3 wall connector. For those not familiar, this speed is only available if you have 3-phase.
@777: You're assumption there is correct, as the supercharger are DC it bypasses the on board charger limitations and pumps the charge straight into the battery.
During AC, the onboard charger limits the car to 11kW on 3-phase. 7kW on single phase depending on the amps (and car - my MG ZS EV charges on AC at 7Kw max).
Not many EV's can do 22kW on AC, I think Tesla S and X can.
100% Get three phase if you're building new assuming its around $2k - $2.5k from a typical builder.
Can use higher amp appliances, more of them, better export for solar, better if you plan anything like a pool, spa etc, better fo higher power AC, better future proofing. Add in faster charging EV cars and honestly its a no brainer when building new.
Worth to go 3 phase if you can. Plan for future. You need to consider the max load as well. In case you need to install another charger(tesla or other hypothetically) you will need more max load. I think max 1 phase is 60A. I don't think you can simultaneously charge 2 cars at 7kwh on single phase.
All true points planning ahead with a 3 phase for the house on the supply side. But on the consumption side of things, for most people one 7kW charger used once (maybe twice) a week per car means you can use the same charger across all the household's cars. I get away with the portable charger for now in an old house, but I might upgrade to take greater advantage of off-peak rates.
As battery tech gets better, charging will be something that happens less often
3 phase in new build doesn’t add much extra cost, but allows you to have lots of air con for heating not just cooling, induction cooker and lots of power for charging cars, and in the future you want to charge 2 cars , have 3 phase pit outside my house for future demo and rebuild …… single phase a few years ago when i had connected, was 65A breaker ……
Slightly off topic, but anyone in Melbourne charge their M3 or MY with solar in winter and if so, how many panels do you have, please? Just thinking of daily kms and leaving plugged in all the time, whilst at home and how practical it would be charging from solar in Melbourne.
winter is crap off solar, i hardly get anything…. as its excess after my PW is 100%.
but summer, that's a different story. i have 24 panels.
In WA, even in the winter months we can charge on excess solar on the sunny days - but depends on how many KMs you are doing and if you have the work from home option.
You have more sunshine, there
Syd im getting 3.5x per day and summer usually 6x
More sunshine there, too (I need to move to QLD for the most sun, I think 😁)
@RichardMelbourne: Haha they just charge more for the product and next to nothing for the buy back, stay in Melbourne;)
@RichardMelbourne: No, just don’t want Andrews voters up here 😂, trying hard enough to get rid of our own Labor rubbish.
Solar isn't even enough to power my home. I have 11.5kw of panels though i have a lot of shade in the winter. My solar produce between 10-15kwh a day, i use about 20-25kwh. I rely on free public charger and off peak charging.
I still havent invested on a charger at home yet because i travelled about 200km a week, between off peak charging and public charger, it is more economical
edit: this is VIC
Edit 2: if you really want to take advantage of solar, you may want to get solar aware charge like the zappi and your car needs to be at home during day time
FYI there's a app called ChargeHQ that will adjust charge speed of your tesla to match your excess solar output.
I liked the sound of charge hq but I think you need a compatible inverter for that? Also now no longer free for new users. For me not really worth the subscription fee for amount it would save.
Thanks and yep, I'm a remote worker so it would be home during the day, 5 days a week.
might be worth looking at the energy companies deals. I know our one has free electricity for a couple of hours on weekends if you are an EV owner.
That sounds good - thank you
Will it charge a VF Maloo or a CTR FK8… asking for a friend :P
No, bourbon and coke pre mix does not come out if the charger.
Bought 1 thanks OP!
You can use a normal power point to charge the tesla . the charge is slower .
Can I use a normal 230V outlet to charge?
Yes. The Mobile Connector can be purchased via the Tesla Shop and can be plugged into a 10 amp 230V outlet. This provides approximately 15km of range per hour of charge. For the best home charging experience, we recommend installing a Wall Connector.
Of course you can. This is for those who want a faster rate of charge.
10 amp charger - 15km/hr
15 amp charger - 25km/hr
Wall charger - 50km/hr
Can someone please tell me why the numbers aren’t 15 and 22.5 or 16.7 and 25 ?
The charger needs to convert AC to DC and it's efficiency is lower at 10A. I don't know what the number are for Tesla, but this site says the BYD charger has 88% efficiency at 10A and 92% efficiency at 16A.
The efficiency of battery charging will also depend on the ambient temperature so those numbers would only be approximate and justify rounding them to whole numbers.
Also, note that the figures Tesla's website are for 16A, not 15A. Vehicle Charging Speeds
@trongy: Well that makes sense.
16a instead of 15a would push the 16a to 24km/hr plus the extra efficiency would make it 25km/hr ish.
However for 15a the figure would probably be closer 23.5km/hr ish.
Yep probably so many people who could get away with a 10A charger unless you are doing more than 180km each day.
The wall charger is good for using higher rates of charge when parked at home & the solar is producing. 10amp charge won’t be able to top car off during sunny hours on weekends.
Good for Ioniq?
good for any EV
Except for those that it isn't (eg the Leaf or Outlander).
Yes, it works for the Ioniq.
Only CCS2
Type-2
I have got this set up for my Volvo XC40 Recharge. Can confirm that the Tesla charger works for any EV - there is an option within the charger that you need to turn on. My installer was aware but you can watch this video which shows how https://youtu.be/FnGwyjX2NHQ?t=309
"Only Tesla" is a very stupid option to have on the app when the more inclusive option available, "All Vehicles"
Maybe some owners want to prevent non-Tesla EVs from using their Tesla wall chargers lol
Sparky mate coming to install mine tomorrow - new circuit with 40amp breaker. 10m run to external garage from switchboard, I already did the prep digging the trench 600mm deep.
Will be capable of 32amp/7.4kw on single phase which is meant to be 50km an hour for a Model Y. Though technically with my power distributor it should be down rated to 20amps in the config unless I want to go on a controlled load tariff.
With ChargeHQ I will be able to have the car automatically adjust the charge rate what my solar (Sungrow) invertor is producing excess to the house usage.
how much is the installation fee?
can the WALL CONNECTOR install in front of/outside the car garage, stand heavy rain and charge the car in the heavy rain?
Yes it can. I have mine outside for 6 months. Based in NZ and have withstood all crapy weather. And I charge it as well in rain.
Just make sure that the wire connection going into wall connector is from bottom. My friends had it from top and it had water ingres. Luckily wall connector stopped itself and prevented any damage to car, circuit and itself.
First I've heard of ChargeHQ, looks really good, cheers mate
It's great. Perfect for scheduling start and end times. Using it for more than 6 months now.
Ive been using it for over 6 months.
It is almost perfect with minor glitches every now and then within acceptable limits.
Overall good app, even with 20kw of panels in Melbourne, not enough generation.
So we have change settings to keep the car charged.
Summer was a breeze.
I think they are no longer free though.
Not free for new users now
Had mine installed in Melbourne couple of weeks ago. Guy charger $550 with certificate. Pretty straight forward install and took abt 2 hour. Charging at 11kw
Very nice, best price I can get from someone reputable is $660 in Sydney, straight forward install adjacent the switchboard
Tesla approved sparkies quoted $1500, I paid $500 with my local sparkie. It charges my non Tesla perfectly.
Got my install about four weeks ago with JET Charge, install went well and satisfied with the service. Only took about 2 hours in total.
Install price with them? PM is fine.
Do Tesla owners usually have a mobile connector? It still costs $550
I recently bought a mobile connector, as my first charger, before I installed a wall charger, and for travel.
I'm aiming to change from solar mostly, and it turned out that UMC fits almost perfectly for my case. I charge 3 days per week from solar, 2.5kWh. it covers 300-400kms I drive per week. So I'm not very keen to install a wall charger anymore, can't justify extra $1.5k.
The only improvement I consider - installing 15A power point.
This is exactly the response I was looking for. Can you still get this much charge fell solar during winter?
Also when you travel, do you just plug it into someone's wall (with permission)?
I've done something similar.
Have been using the umc for a couple of months, perfectly fine.
The only thing I've done different is to install a 32a 5pin socket, allows me to charge at the rate of the wall charger but supply / install cost was a lot cheaper.
I use this with chargeHQ so use excess solar to charge the car, haven't had much excess as it's winter but summer has been great.
Yes, the mobile connector has a 10A and 15A "tail" and you can plug the 10A one into any normal power point anywhere.
I have 10kwh panels, 8kwh inverter, live in Brisbane. Even now, during the shortest days of year, I have around 8 hours with production greater than 2.5kwh, and several hours around 6.5kwh. so I can change more than 30% of my battery in typical sunny day.
@Cupa Bundy Drinker: I’d like to charge off solar - How do you know for sure that your car is charging off solar and that the house is not using all the power generated at any moment and your just charging from the grid?
If you only have a 2.5kwh system then no point going above the umc
I have 8kwh solar system, but heat up water off it too (2kwh). As I mentioned, 15amp charging (3.75kw) would be better. 7kw is nice, but I will under utilise it most of the time.
I haven't tried the changer when travelling yet, but will do it tomorrow. I'm going to as for permission, will offer them a few bucks
Which travel charger did you buy out of curiosity? I’ve got a 15a power outlet and I’ve been looking for a legit one for my atto 3
Tesla UMC. But I have a Tesla car
@Cupa Bundy Drinker: Works on non teslas as well and as you lnow comes with 10/15 amp tails and can add larger up to 32amps
How much does it cost to install a 15A socket? Was debating installing a 15A vs 32A socket and using the UMC semi-permanently.
Asking for a friend. Will this charge a Hyundai Getz?
Tell your "friend" to catch the bus.
We used jet charge to install our (Tesla supplied) wall connector and they did an excellent job
Install price? PM is fine.
Just under $1k including a switchboard upgrade.
A couple of years earlier we had solar panels installed and I wanted the inverter installed in the garage. Too hard claimed the sparky. I was half expecting jet charge to have similar issues but they installed the charger as requested and ran the cabling invisibly rather than using exposed conduits.
ooo good price what is the total with a electrican?
can the WALL CONNECTOR install in front of/outside the car garage, stand heavy rain and charge the car in the heavy rain?
Yes
Yes there is one installed outside the shopping centre for many years that is not undercover, it is used all the time and still working ok
Yep.
1224 clicks? Lots of ev owners
Lots of perspective owners.
Prospective*
Thanks,
I hope no one uses this to supercharge an electric scooter.
Just did it last night, was able to topup my ninebot f40 within 2 mins, but I can't see my home after that
Will this fast charge my phone?
If you have solar and work from home a Zappi charger is probably better as it will charge your car with surplus solar.
I’d say Taycan, Model S and Audis are pretty ODD and aren’t for mass markets