Help with Selling Second Hand Sports Car

beyondtool on 03/08/2023 - 13:13

Hey all appreciate any suggestions or ideas. I'm trying to sell my 2016 Kia Koup turbo, a 150kw coupe (0-100 in 7 seconds) along the lines of a Veloster or 86/BRZ. It's a tidy car with after markets rims, sports tyres and Android Auto/Carplay audio setup and low kms. It's been detailed and I have decent photos. Drives awesome and only selling due to growing family. But I've had no luck on FB marketplace or Car sales so far. Cars Guide price range is saying 15K-19K, so I'm selling for 16K, which I feel is pretty cheap. It's a very unique vehicle, and there are only 8 for sale across the country right now which I suspect is working against me.

I've approached some of the car brokers out there, but only getting lowball offers.

I've been told it's illegal to park a car with a for sale sign on it in QLD these days, which is how I sold my last car in 2 days! Back in the day, I would have used a site like Boostcrusing to sell it, but maybe I'm out of the loop I can't seem to find a group like this on the Gold Coast or Brisbane area.

I know it's a bad time of year to sell and that the second-hand market is dropping. I thought meeting the market would be enough. Finding this very stressful as I've already missed out on two cars I wanted to buy. Need the cash to finance my next car. Any ideas on how to reach a prospective buyer welcome!

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Comments

  • Muzeeb on 03/08/2023 - 13:16
    +28

    It's nothing like the 86/BRZ which are RWD and NA. More driver focused and less, you know, cerato focused.

    Probably closer to a Fiesta ST - which I would choose any day over the Koup especially as they are priced similarly.

    There's only one reason cars don't sell - price.

  • Hybroid on 03/08/2023 - 13:21
    +9

    Stump up the cost to promote it on Carsales? That's the go-to place for most people I would have thought.

    Not too surprised selling a 7 year old unknown small Kia is proving to be challenging but for the right price, anything will sell.

    Also, there's 27 of them for sale right now: https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/kia/cerato/coupe-bodystyle/

    • spackbace on 03/08/2023 - 13:48
      +1

      11 turbo models

      Though it's only a 1.6T

    • beyondtool on 03/08/2023 - 13:58

      This is the turbo variant, not the bog standard 2.0l. Probably most similar to the Kia Cerato GT. Believe it or not, Kia doesn't just make soccer mum cars. It's on Car sales. no bites.

      • spackbace on 03/08/2023 - 14:51
        +4

        FYI, these are the cars you're up against

      • lgacb08 on 03/08/2023 - 18:44
        +1

        Nah mate, if it's a Kia then it's soccer's mum car, unless it's a Stinger.

    • Woody982 on 04/08/2023 - 08:06
      +2

      Nope, ive listed cars and bikes on facebook, gumtree and carsales/bikesales. You know where it ALWAYS sells?

      Thats right, facebook…

    • Sinnerator on 04/08/2023 - 09:31

      oofff, the prices, for that, lol

  • brendanm on 03/08/2023 - 13:22
    +2

    They've changed the rules for Qld rwc, you are now allowed to advertise the car for sale before getting a rwc, not that that stopped anyone before anyway.

    • Muzeeb on 03/08/2023 - 13:26

      TIL. How long is the RWC valid for?

      • brendanm on 03/08/2023 - 13:44

        Don't quote me, but I believe 2 months for private individuals and 3 months for dealers.

        • Muzeeb on 03/08/2023 - 14:01
          +3

          That makes more sense than Victoria's 30 days. Cheers.

          • geekcohen on 03/08/2023 - 14:25
            -2

            @Muzeeb:

            That makes more sense than Victoria's 30 days. Cheers.

            I have two words - Nanny. State.

            • Ade99 on 04/08/2023 - 08:35
              -3

              @geekcohen: Amnesia Dan is only looking out to keep every one safe…….or it is another way to get $$$$ to pay off what he has squandered on ICU beds and injecting rooms

  • milobob on 03/08/2023 - 13:28
    +4

    Best thing to do is monitor all the other koups for sale and see the price they disappear at.

    I'd you want it gone quick, you'll need to sell at the lower end of the range.

    I find it you have the original rims, it will sell easier. People don't like to buy "modified" cars…

    • beyondtool on 03/08/2023 - 14:09

      Don't have the original rims. Not sure if it's worth trying to source them.

    • pjetson on 03/08/2023 - 14:17

      Best thing to do is monitor all the other koups for sale

      I think that carsales lets you search for cars that have been sold, so that might help the OP see where the market is.

    • DashCam AKA Rolts on 03/08/2023 - 15:09
      +4

      I find it you have the original rims, it will sell easier.

      Mike from WheelerDealers, "With this one easy trick……"

    • jackary on 03/08/2023 - 18:13
      +5

      This is a real thing, for sure. I wouldn’t buy a car with aftermarket rims. My internal dialogue would be asking questions like “what was wrong with the original rims?”, and “what other cheap aftermarket accessories have been fitted?” (I’m not saying your rims actually WERE cheap, just explaining what I’d be thinking)

      Edit: yep just saw the shitty sub in the boot. I’d walk 100%.

      • Euphemistic on 03/08/2023 - 18:38

        I’d be on the lookout for other signs of a hard life and think of aftermarket rims as a bonus. Overall I prefer some level of personalisation for a vehicle and rims is the easy way to do that. If someone else has paid for them, even better.

        • jackary on 03/08/2023 - 18:41

          Fair enough :)

        • Ade99 on 04/08/2023 - 08:36

          each to their own opinion

      • reactor-au on 04/08/2023 - 09:01

        I think we're split into 2 groups; one that likes or cars stock and those that like bling.
        I just find stock rims suit a car better than after market ones, generally.

      • stedmaster on 04/08/2023 - 17:46

        An 8" 300 Watt sub would likely compliment the factory system well without being OTT.

  • Gdsamp on 03/08/2023 - 13:34

    if all else fails take the hit and trade it in?

    agree with others though. veloster comparison is fair, it's a sports-themed car. you'll need to drop the price for a quicker sale, or fit the stock rims if your looking for your current price.

  • freefall101 on 03/08/2023 - 13:36
    +15

    lol, 86/BRZ? You're dreaming. Fix your ad on Carsales, it's so loaded with bullshit it reads like a giant red flag and all the modifications sound like it was driven by someone who likely flogged all that time. Do not list it as a potential project car, that just drives normal people away from it - https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2016-kia-cerato-kou…

    Carsales recommends $13,850 - $15,950, so you're at the top end of their pricing guide. And it's hardly a car people want, Kia killed off making hot hatches like this and the Cee'd for a reason. It's also not low kms, 100,000km for a 7 year old car is quite a lot. A manual simply isn't popular anymore. I'd go at the low end if you really want to move it quickly.

    • brendanm on 03/08/2023 - 13:46
      +5

      Also don't take photos in an industrial complex.

      • Muzeeb on 03/08/2023 - 14:03
        +5

        Where else can you do donuts in reverse gear without attracting attention?

      • beyondtool on 03/08/2023 - 14:07

        It was a shopping center, trying to avoid harsh sunlight casting shadows.

        • brendanm on 03/08/2023 - 16:12

          Plenty of nice spots around your neck of the woods to take photos.

    • beyondtool on 03/08/2023 - 14:05
      +1

      Appreciate the input. Toned the add down see if that makes a difference.

  • coffeeinmyveins on 03/08/2023 - 13:51
    +9

    Hey all appreciate any suggestions or ideas. I'm trying to sell my 2016 Kia Koup turbo, a 150kw coupe (0-100 in 7 seconds) along the lines of a Veloster or 86/BRZ

    7 seconds (actually it's 7.4 seconds) isn't the flex you think it is. A toyota Corolla hybrid does the same speed, and a standard petrol does 9 seconds. I guess an 86 does similar to yours which is why you've compared thhttps://www.ozbargain.com.au/em but they aren't "along the lines" of.

    The reason it's not selling will be the price. you seem to think it's probably worth more than it is given the 'mods' you've done to it. generally when people do mods to a car it drops the value, not increasing it. Also mileage seems a lot for the age of the car. It's not really a "sports car" either..

    Drop the price by $2k and see what happens.

    I've approached some of the car brokers out there, but only getting lowball offers.

    anything will be a lowball offer when you have an expectation that it will sell at a high price for what people are willing to buy it for.

    The market is trying to tell you something about your price, you should listen.

    • beyondtool on 03/08/2023 - 14:10
      +2

      Appreciate the feedback.

    • JimB on 03/08/2023 - 14:17

      I'm not saying the 2016 Kia Koup turbo is fast but a Toyota Corolla hybrid is much slower.

      https://www.chasingcars.com.au/reviews/small-cars/toyota-cor…

      "Toyota doesn’t claim a 0-100km/h sprint time for the Corolla, but we measured the mechanically identical Ascent Sport at 11.5 seconds – and the ZR hybrid feels like it runs out of steam above 80km/h."

      • kerfuffle on 03/08/2023 - 14:25
        +1

        That’s the old version of the Corolla. There’s a newer version with a more powerful engine and motor combination. Can”t say it runs out of steam when I need to go from 0-90 when merging onto the M4.

        Source: I have the newer version.

        • beyondtool on 03/08/2023 - 14:31
          -1

          Yes and I'm selling a 2016 car.. apples to apples.

        • JimB on 03/08/2023 - 14:31

          This one?

          Power (petrol) 72kW @ 5200rpm
          Torque (petrol) 142Nm @ 3600rpm
          Power (electric) 70kW
          Torque (electric) 185Nm
          Combined power 103kW

          • kerfuffle on 03/08/2023 - 14:34
            +1

            @JimB: Yes. The old hybrid was 90kW

            • JimB on 03/08/2023 - 15:14

              @kerfuffle: 103kW is much better (but still much slower than OP's Kia turbo).

        • jackary on 03/08/2023 - 18:19
          -2

          WE KNOW YOU OWN A COROLLA

          I do jest slightly, I enjoy hearing your Corolla updates, or reminders that you do, in fact, own a Corolla. It’s a weird flex and I love it. I’ve forgotten the colour though. I vaguely remember you wanted blue, or a hatch, or something. Whatever, it’s great, you’re great.

  • spackbace on 03/08/2023 - 13:51
    +4

    I've approached some of the car brokers out there, but only getting lowball offers.

    Of course, because it's not a sought after vehicle.

    Given the lack of them around, you're gonna be better off trading this one in and biting the bullet on the value.

  • Muzeeb on 03/08/2023 - 14:08
    +2

    @pegaxs

    Run exclusively on 98 unleaded fuel to ensure performance and longevity.

    Only requires 91. Keep it together man. Stay strong.

    • beyondtool on 03/08/2023 - 14:18

      It's a 1.4L Turbo engine. Hyundai/KIA engineers recommend 98 octane to reduce the likelihood over time that build-up from the use of lower octane fuel can lead to piston failure.

      But anyway I appreciate where you are coming from.Yes it will in fact work with 91 octane.

      • Muzeeb on 03/08/2023 - 14:23
        +5

        It's also a 1.6L.

        While I'm at it…

        Leather seats

        Hardly. It's vinyl. Leather look.

        New leather gear knob

        Screams to me that the driver slams the gears and wore out the leather vinyl.

        • spackbace on 03/08/2023 - 14:52

          Personally, I think more people would go for this auto model with lower kms and no mods (that scream thrashed)

          Manual Kia Turbo just isn't on many peoples' lists…

    • pegaxs on 03/08/2023 - 16:28
      +2

      But but but… Scotty Kilmer said…

      It's basically car sales talk for; "I've only ever put 91 or E10 in it, but if I say 98 you will think I took care of the car…"

    • Manny Calavera on 03/08/2023 - 22:31

      I don’t recall seeing a turbo that didn’t require 95.

      How about that.

      • Muzeeb on 03/08/2023 - 22:56

        Fiesta ST only asks for 91 as well

      • turbochris on 04/08/2023 - 08:18
        +4

        There's a whole world out there outside of your own personal experience

        • Muzeeb on 04/08/2023 - 09:35
          +1

          Username checks out

  • ricsantos on 03/08/2023 - 14:11

    Maybe remove the sub and sell it separately, and any other bits of audio that are easy to remove/restore to OEM.

    If you have the stock wheels put them back on too, sell the aftermarket ones separately.

    Try listing it on Gumtree?

    • beyondtool on 03/08/2023 - 14:23

      You have to pay for gumtree car ads nowadays! Does anyone still buy cars on Gumtree?

  • Witchdoctr on 03/08/2023 - 14:17

    Honestly its a kia sports car, they are hard to move simply from the fact that they are mostly unknown. Enthusiasts won't be looking for them and honestly the options for "fast" FWD cars is huge so you are unlikely to stumble upon them. Also it isn't anything close to a BRZ, you may as well advertise it as like a cheaper lambo with two doors :P

    If you need to move it fast drop the price. I sold a 350z at the start of the year and the difference in enquires (and eventual sale) for a $2,000 drop was crazy.

    • beyondtool on 03/08/2023 - 14:21

      Yeah it's a trade-off, loose 2K, and then that's 2k less budget for a new car. I guess that's what attracted me to it originally it was unique. Underrated gem from my perspective. then again I used to own a Suzuki Ignis sport..😂

      • Witchdoctr on 03/08/2023 - 14:54

        Haha I'm almost worried to ask what you are looking at as your next car :p

        Kia's are slept on in general. Originally I looked into getting a Kia Stingers, but ended up in a cheaper fwd wagon buzz box (Skoda RS). The fact that some have sat in dealers yards from over 12 months ago makes me think it was probably for the best. Funny enough the only reason I ended up with a Skoda is because I did a search for "Post 2015, Manual, Wagon under 25k" and it was the only car that came up.

        It sucks when you see other cars that you know don't drive as well listed for more… but remember those also haven't sold. Best of luck mate.

  • Brick Tamland on 03/08/2023 - 14:24
    +1

    Nice car, a very under appreciated model that didnt get the popularity it deserved. Only people seeking them out will probably be interested rather than people just browsing for something.

    I am going to go against the tide a bit here and say dont drop the price. It wont make a difference. If you aren't in a rush to sell take if off the market until when there are very little others listed. Wait and pick your time when there is nothing or very little being offered and keep a decent price on it. People that are in the market place for it will know what it is and probably be willing to pay for it because there are so few of them. If you have to sell it soon, list it as the 2nd cheapest car, thats what I've done in the past and it nearly always works well. The problem with an unpopular car is that you will always loose your a$se in resell if you dont get lucky without a motivated buyer.

    Also the ad looks and reads fine. Dont know what the others are going on about.

    Looking at other Koupes for sale, the other problem you have is it's priced the same as dealer cars. You gotta undercut the dealers!!

    • beyondtool on 03/08/2023 - 14:37

      Thansk for feedback, will talk to wife about what we can accept as far as sale price.

  • 2jzzzz on 03/08/2023 - 14:29
    +1

    List it on facebook sites with enthusiasts

    • Brick Tamland on 03/08/2023 - 14:32
      +1

      Yeah thats a great suggestion. It's such a little known model you probably need to find the enthusiasts.

    • beyondtool on 03/08/2023 - 14:36

      I've tried a few KIA facebook groups, but most of them are focussed on the Sorrento and other SUVs. Or the KIA stinger, and well the Koup is a very different class of car.

      • Brick Tamland on 03/08/2023 - 14:43

        Doesn’t have to a be Kia group. Look for local enthusiast groups.

  • newjerseydamo on 03/08/2023 - 14:32
    +2

    If it's not selling, it's for one very simple reason - price.

  • beyondtool on 03/08/2023 - 14:34

    Is it even worth swapping to these OEM rims? https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/334900975492

    Probably cost $1000 to do so.

    • JimB on 03/08/2023 - 15:19

      The original wheels look much better than the BBS CH-R replicas (especially as they curbed).

      However, not sure you'll get your money back.

  • Boioioioi on 03/08/2023 - 14:50

    How long have you waited, sometimes selling a car takes a few weeks. Try reduce the price gradually. Carsales wasn't that effective for me. Sold a BRZ earlier in the year, got way more traction on facebook. Sold eventually in 3 weeks after I reduced the price a bit

  • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 03/08/2023 - 15:10
    +2

    Either return it back to stock, replace the rims and remove the stereo, and drop the price ~$2k
    or
    trade it in.

    It's not a sports car. Reckon my aunt's 'rolla could beat it on a track.
    It's a manual so that will exclude a lot of the audience for this type and price of car, as they'll want auto.

    • beyondtool on 03/08/2023 - 18:33
      -1

      Appreciate your feedback but you are wrong.

    • Brick Tamland on 03/08/2023 - 18:35
      -1

      The Kia Turbo Coupes were a very capable hot hatch.

  • Gunnar on 03/08/2023 - 15:33
    +1

    I’m still laughing at Boostcrusing, a name I haven’t heard in a long time!

    • beyondtool on 03/08/2023 - 15:45
      +1

      Us GenXs got old fast!

      • Gunnar on 03/08/2023 - 16:20

        What was your younger you’s boostcrusing car of choice? And do you still have it?

        • beyondtool on 03/08/2023 - 18:34

          Suzuki Swift GTI, and no don't have it.

  • bobbified on 03/08/2023 - 15:40

    The demand for these are not high. Coupes like this are usually a younger person's only car or someone's weekend (second) car. Younger people don't want to spend more than they have to.. and those that want a weekend car probably have the money to buy a nicer coupe.

    • kerfuffle on 03/08/2023 - 15:42
      +3

      Not to mention most younger people won't want to drive manual

      • bobbified on 03/08/2023 - 15:43

        That's very true too. Most young people wouldn't even know how to drive manual! 😂

  • Euphemistic on 03/08/2023 - 15:51
    +2

    When I saw the photos it didn’t shout ‘boy racer’ to me. Not something I’d go searching for if I was a p plater looking for street cred.

    When you’ve got an unusual car like this it often will take time to sell unless it’s very keenly priced. It’s not a model many people would go searching for and likely they have to stumble upon it and ‘fall in love’.

    Drop the photo of the kerb rash and cut in the seat. Patch up the wheel with a bit of sanding and some black paint instead. Both those will turn people off. You’ve got to interest them in instpecting before you let them down with blemishes. Leave out the price of the custom install but include the same description, price of accessories doesn’t mean anything in the used market.

    • Muzeeb on 03/08/2023 - 16:10

      Where's the cut in the seat or are you confusing it with the isofix tag?

      • Euphemistic on 03/08/2023 - 16:12

        Looks like it’s gone already. There was 23 photos when I liked before, now 20.

        • Muzeeb on 03/08/2023 - 16:13

          That makes sense. Cheers

          • Euphemistic on 03/08/2023 - 16:17

            @Muzeeb: Then I had another look and they are still there, just hiding under ‘imperfections’

            • Muzeeb on 03/08/2023 - 16:20

              @Euphemistic: That makes even more sense. I missed the imperfections tab in the app. Cheers.

    • [Deactivated] on 03/08/2023 - 16:15

      …. cut in the seat

      Driver's seat?

  • JakeyJooJoo on 03/08/2023 - 16:26
    +1

    I recently sold a 15yo Mitsubishi.
    Listed it on Carsales and FB Marketplace.
    I'll never list a vehicle for sale on Carsales again. What a waste of time.
    It ended up selling on FB Marketplace, took 6 weeks.

    I'd suggest spending the 'boost' money on FB. Save yourself the money on other platforms.

    • Woody982 on 04/08/2023 - 08:10

      Exactly this. Apart from the boost on FB. Just list it on marketplace, then join a bunch of car buy, sell, swap and list them there as well.

  • yoonibear on 03/08/2023 - 16:38

    Carsales has an instant offer/buy feature, have you tried that?
    I'm selling my Fiesta ST towards the end of the year and I'll go down this route to avoid hassles

    • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 03/08/2023 - 17:03
      +1

      Very quick and easy way for OP to get a massive lowball offer. Sure.

    • Muzeeb on 03/08/2023 - 17:06

      Please turn on your messages in account settings. I'd like to PM you. Cheers.

      • jackary on 03/08/2023 - 18:27
        +1

        NIL

    • beyondtool on 03/08/2023 - 18:35

      I tried they said they wouldn't be able to provide an offer. Guess it wasn't a Hilux or Landcruiser they could low ball and flip easily.

    • Woody982 on 04/08/2023 - 08:09

      Yeah, you are losing alot of money doing that. Lol

  • Drakesy on 03/08/2023 - 17:38
    +4

    Help with Selling Second Hand Sports Car

    I'm trying to sell my 2016 Kia Koup turbo

    My understanding of a sports car is severely skewed.
    Also "Unique" does not mean in demand

    Even a basic BYD ATTO 3 SUV will do 0-100 faster.

    • Brick Tamland on 03/08/2023 - 18:37
      -1

      The BYD is a small SUV EV, literally the opposite of this car.

      • Manny Calavera on 03/08/2023 - 22:33
        +1

        Exactly. The discount shopping trolley is still faster.

        Hell, my Toyota is faster.

  • beyondtool on 03/08/2023 - 18:43

    Appreciate the feedback folks, but if you want to start comparing a 2016 turbo petrol car to a brand-new electric car that costs 50K… well I think the comparisons are getting a bit too silly.

  • Andy22 on 03/08/2023 - 19:15
    +2

    100k on the clock, manual and 1.6l engine. I'd go with $13k and even less if you're younger than 25.

  • Qazxswec on 03/08/2023 - 19:25
    +1

    Who in their right mind would want to buy a second hand Sports Bra

    • Euphemistic on 03/08/2023 - 19:30
      +1

      Depends who was wearing it.

    • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 03/08/2023 - 21:31

      It's an excellent side hustle, along with selling feet pics.

  • Hardlyworkin on 03/08/2023 - 21:37
    +1

    I sold all my cars via The Trading Post.
    ** That was 20 years ago

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