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Another Chinese competitor entering eBay. Read and write speeds up to 7300/6600MB/s
It is also using Maxio 1602 + YMTC 232L NAND Chip like Lexar NM790.
https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/fanxiang-s880-1-tb.d15…
Fanxiang SSD M.2 S880 PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD 1TB $68.79, 2TB $116.79, 4TB $240 Delivered @ Fanxiang-Official-Store eBay
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New egg and Amazon ratings are worth nothing for any company willing to manipulate them.
Of course any company is going to say they test.
As a consumer it comes down to trust - I want a company that I'll trust to not do the dodgy (eg boe swapping in inferior parts on Apples screens!). Also purchasing preference, we buy enough from china - definitely don't need to buy more.
we buy enough from china - definitely don't need to buy more
So that means you should stop buying cars, clothes, food, cleaning products, gadgets, office products, electronics, Covid tests, face masks etc. etc.
Having a diverse supply
I don't think you would get more diverse supply from other countries if you don't buy from one particular country. I mean if Zimbabwe doesn't produce SSD's there is a reason for that and it's not because everyone buying them from China. It's quite ooposite - everyone buys from China because no one else make SSD's.
exposure to a single point of failure
Which is going to be the number one market in the world.
single entity holding you to ransom
You sound so racist and ignorant on this topic so there is no point in arguing further.
@billadm: ">You sound so racist and ignorant on this topic so there is no point in arguing further.
Trade and IP gets weaponised all the time.
China refused to let the AI behind tiktok be sold, and shut out our coal/grain/etc trade. The US attempted to lock Huawei out of chips.
Even not talking about deliberate actions - we had a hdd shortage when Vietnam (I think?) was hit with major flooding. While this one at can't influence with shopping habits, because we've already driven all manufacturing to China.
Trying to argue that diversified supply chains aren't required is just divorced from reality.
@incipient: Single point of failure? 102.35 Billion in raw minerals and livestock export to China, if anything Australia is the single point of failure for China.
Here you are whinging about buying cheap storage.
@Magik: Oh China ABSOLUTELY knows this. Why do you think they're buying up huge mineral deposits in Africa? Why do you think they buy lots of meat from south America?
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Markets/Commodities/China-b…
@incipient: Thread is full of Chinese sockpuppets downvoting all critical comments. Don't bother trying to reason with them.
@incipient: Like with not being able to negatively sanction china because of all the damage they did with covid?
It's got nothing to do with sinophobia, you're being racist. It's got to do with diversification and risk management.
Also China has one of the most sophisticated propaganda engines on the earth. Not saying other countries don't, but China is a lot more advanced on that front.
@incipient: Their propaganda lags about 30 years behind that of the Western world. Ours is so sophisticated that our leaders can assert anything, even if it defies Newtonian laws of physics, and we consume it like Mc Nuggets.
@raybies: I know you’re negged and I’m not a tin foil hat guy. Life is life we push on. But your statement is irrefutable at least to some degree.
I still remember when Putin invaded Ukraine and channel ran a 15 minute session on 60 minutes, that he’s doing it because he’s gone mad due to covid.
Nothing to do with the west telling Ukraine to join NATO so they can set up spy equipment on russias border. Not at all.
@BusMan247: here's a funny thing about 'sophisticated propaganda engines'
the reality is that no one wants to live in china… even the chinese want to get out of china
everyone wants to live the American dream
you ask Taliban Al Queda… they would all love to live in Hollywood with the mansion, German cars and wives with all the trimmings, secretly eating ham sandwiches and drinking beer
how "sophisticated" is the "propaganda engines" when people know that China is desperately uncool and unattractive in comparison to other countries
BUT.. show me the non Chinese made SSDs???
@tonyjzx: It all began when the USA transitioned from struggling to launch a monkey into space to sending an orbiter, lander, buggy, and 3 men within a decade. These missions featured remarkable aspects, such as thrusters capable of lifting men without disturbing the thick lunar dust, their boots left inprints on. It's a dhame NASA accidentally lost this technology and have been working on getting humans past the Van Allan belts for 50yrs, but they're confident they'll find materials to allow humans past low Earth orbit soon.
@tonyjzx: this shows how ignorant you are on the subject as there are many manufactures that make ssds outside of China ( and even more if you consider Taiwan not China as well)
PLeanty of capacity in Malaysia, Korea and the United states and Taiwan
@tonyjzx: Samsung, last I checked make South Korean SSD, and all the parts are made by Samsung, so Controller, Board, TLC NAND etc, so sure there are other brands out there and several use very good TLC NAND made in China. So if you have a problem with Chinese SSD, buy Samsung.
Even WD while based in Thailand, they still use some Chinese labour for assembly, esp for lower end stuff, probably manufacturing there as well, but I think with Sandisk look at where it’s made and despite WD owning Sandisk, they moved to countries where they could manufacture at competitive prices, but Sandisk still have a lot of manufacturing in China. One could ask are WD branded SSDs made by Sandisk tech and then sold as WD? Prolly why WD bought Sandisk.
If you don’t like or don’t know a Chinese brand, don’t buy it. Amazon reviews as we’ve found out are heavily manipulated with people offering to put up hundreds or thousands of positive reviews. I tend to trust brands I don’t know on small but mainly positive reviews who aren’t going to stoop to paying for 5000 positive reviews.
@raybies: I mean you say that, but the fact any given party, let alone any leader, can't stay in power for more than a week kinda implies they don't have much sway over anything =/
@incipient: The only independent thoughts politicians are allowed is whether they support the policies of the global left or right.
I believe Xiaomi is my all-time favorite company. However, I wouldn't purchase Fanxiang unless it served as a scratch disk.
As for a reality check, China has heavily invested in education, while the Western world has focused on matters like sexual orientation and chasing balls (we got them Chinese beat at that). Drawing from my experience working in an R&D facility for a company that was then the third-highest filer of patents worldwide, I can share that about 65% of researchers were Chinese, followed by around 15% of Northern/Eastern Europeans, 10% Koreans + Japanese, with the remaining portion being a global mix. This approximate Chinese distribution also applies to high-end manufacturing.
And having travelled there, I also feel like their society is less controlling. They may have similar or more draconian laws, but they just don't enforce them.
Not a big fan of Xiaomi. Xiaomi is good at cutting corners without customers noticing at first. I found a lot of their products seem good at first, but once you use them for a while, you start to realise where Xiaomi cut corners.
Software support is also another down side of it. Might be better than other el cheapo brands but there is no free lunch. Xiaomi does cut corners.
@netsurfer: Agree with Xiaomi comments - looks good, but lack of support and software updates never a good sign. Props to Xiaomi for building brand rep over time, never sent anything back as faulty and have bought some semi big ticket items. Xiaomi fail to get old models off the market while the latest version being sold on AliExpress, eBay AU are still selling old model and when you contact Xiaomi Official Store on eBay, I have always had timely response, but I don’t like AU getting dumped with older models when it’s clear newer, often better are for sale, just not on eBay AU.
I think that says they bought too much stock and are still trying to sell old stock. Always hard to know exact reasons.
Look at Xiaomi 8K HDMI 2.1 cable - eBay official AU store only sells 1 Metre - but research shows 2 and 3 metre cables are for sale on other online stores. Why not AU? Don’t know but their reply from their AU eBay wasn’t very encouraging - most likely they aren’t Xiaomi and that’s what they can get from Xiaomi. 1 metre HDMI cables are too short IMHO for many applications, if you have an A/V Receiver 2 or 3 metre is my default.I have a lot of UGreen cables of all different type, and have found they are v.good quality but now price has jumped up as other ppl find out. They often discount their cables a bit to compete but it’s a brand I know and feel I can trust.
Xiaomi have built a brand rep but I feel some of their products don’t live up to their own hype. Just my opinion though. YMMV
"their society is less controlling" are you serious???
@NVidia Sucks: Totally… Surprising. While it's a tourist's perspective, the hooning I did on two wheels there would lead to jail or hefty fines in Oz, unlike in China where not only where there no cops hiding in bushes or unmarked patrol cars, the cameras they had were fake. Can knock-off items be bought in Oz? Can you open your shop when you want, … if you get on the wrong side of the law I would prefer to be in a Western country, but your chances of that happening are lower in China from my experience.
Chinese didn't lose their jobs for not taking experimental vaccines with no proven efficacy or testing as recently highlighted in the Pfizer/Moderna/TGA senate inquery (https://www.aph.gov.au/News_and_Events/Watch_Read_Listen/Par…). The bleek lock downs where "mostly" western propagnda.
@BusMan247: I don't know if their family values are that amazing. Young people there are very career driven that they don't really start families or they don't have children. They might have respect for the elderly but they are not family driven which is why their birth rates have plunged more than the West
@NVidia Sucks: You can't even buy a laser pointer over here, whereas in China you can get one which will burn a hole through paper from a km away.
Until recently electric scooters where illegal overhere, in China they've had all manner of electric vehicles for decades.
On the chemical side pretty much everything is legal over there and illegal over here without applying for company exemptions.
etc
etc
The only thing holding China back is the CCP, so really they're doing the west a favour.@raybies: yeah i think people kid themselves about the 'nanny state' situation here and there
in a lot of ways we have more freedoms and they have less freedoms over there
they have a billion people over there.. if you are middle class and above then you probably arent as hard up as people reckon
btw. living in australia, isnt it fun to be fined $1,000 for having a mobile phone on your lap?
or spending 50% of you wage on rent and never being able to buy property… this is your 'freedom'
@tonyjzx: isn't it fun looking at your phone, just for a second, and them SMASHING your car INTO SOMEONE'S CHILD
90% of the computers parts we use are mad in china.. im not giving up on PC's
si would love to see these chinaphobes build up a completely non chinese made pc…
The biggest issue with feeBay or AliExpress purchases from overseas sellers is warranty. Lack of firmware updates is another issue.
Also, I wouldn't hype up any SSD maker at the moment. Fanxiang, honestly, its reputation isn't great. Reliability is a question mark.
1TB version at that price makes zero sense since you can get NM790 1TB version cheaper. Also, with this particular controller and NAND combo, we are putting a lot of faith on YMTC cleaned up its previous gen XTacking NAND mess.
Note: Do not assume you will get YMTC 232L NAND for 2TB and 4TB version. If NM790 4TB is any indication, it could be 128L version (you probably won't be able to tell the difference in day to day use). SSD makers could elect to swap to 128L version for the 1TB later on as well (or some might already have).
Also, there appears to be a Linux compatibility issue (especially with Ubuntu and larger size ones, i.e. 4TB). SSD not recognised during initialisation (can't use it in linux basically). While one guy did have a "workaround", it appears to be done through recompiling linux kernel and let the OS wait longer for the SSD to initialise.
Sold $600,000 then take out manufacturing costs, and they have over 100 staff. They really do work for a cup of rice.
not sure if food delivery riders make much more in Australia …. we import cheap workers and dangle the carror of citizenship , and employers want cheap labour to keep wages down ….. feel sorry for the new generation of Australians trying to earn money and buy a house, was much easier in my day 40 years ago ….
Wages have gone up substantially also, when I grew up getting somone to mow your lawn who had zero qualifications was $10/hr. Now my brother in law is getting $60/hr for the same thing.
Because their revenue dominantly come from the Chinese market. They've sold over 200 thousand NVMe SSDs on jd.com alone, that's at least 10 million AUD.
Ahh that makes sense then.
Dunno this reviewer, but his title is "Buyers beware"
https://www.michaelstinkerings.org/anxiang-s880-2tb-pcie-40-…
Hey, u could say the same for Samsung and Sandisk these days :P
Sandisk is WD now
I know. Comment was just due to the failing external SanDisk ssds in the news right now, and WD's poor handling of the issue.
I'm not suggesting that either brand is a poor choice, just that you can be burned no matter what brand you buy. I have absolutely no knowledge or experience with Fanxiang though, so my comment wasn't particularly helpful either way.
Dunno this reviewer
That one is just another ignorant web slander looking for popularity.
Reviewer: I would never have thought that in 2023, I can receive a defective drive
And I would never have thought that I would receive a faulty Asus motherboard from Amazon US and they let me keep it as a souvenir so we shouldn't buy Asus motherboards anymore?
Reviewer: I cannot recommend this drive to anyone that is serious about their data.
The ignorant slander only tested these drivers for speed so how does he know that they are not reliable?
Here's a topic we can agree on today. He bought DRAMless QLC drives for NAS and VM usage. If he's smart enough to do VMs he should be smart enough to know that's a poor choice of SSD.
Interesting his vague review neglects to mention the type of flash used, endurance, controller and so forth.
Michael: Buys DRAMless QLC SSD for intensive read/write workloads
Pikachu face when problems arise.
He purchased 2 drives, and one was defective, hence his "Buyers Beware" comment.
For such a small sample size, it is not material.
Use it as a games drive, or for other unimportant data (or just have a good backup system in place - as you should regardless of manufacturer)."
[UPDATE: 2023-06-08] As I was testing for RAID performance in Windows, I discovered that one of the SSDs I received from Amazon was defective. Given that I bought two of them trying to do a review on both these SSDs and a 4x4 NVMe card, with this set back, I was not able to complete all the testing I wanted. I would never have thought that in 2023, I can receive a defective drive out of a two-drive order.
"Funnily enough since he bought 2 and only one was defective, his failure rate is actually better than probably 95% or more of people who had failed products on this and most other consumer products. Most people tend to just by one and yes of course you sometimes get some failures. So for them, they had a failure rate of 100% not 50%. (And sorry but if you're buying a consumer product and expect there is no chance of a failed product all I can say is don't buy.)
OnlyFanxiangs
fanx for the laugh
Operating temp: 0-70C
Environment temp: -40-85CSpecs are contradictory nonsense, I wouldn't trust the TBW or anything else on this page.
I would not trust that TBW too. Always back up your data. This drive is good as a gaming drive.
Yes.. i will always put my OS on a high end dirve Like Samsung 980 Pro, WD SN850X.. All other files are fine to go onto whatever.
i will always put my OS on a high end dirve Like Samsung 980 Pro, WD SN850X
Do Samsung or Western Digital have a zero fault quality and compensate you in case your OS goes lost?
Or do you regard the OS as data also you don't have any external backup drive?@billadm: They have a proven history of somewhat reliability
We have 30 PC's running Samsung Evo SATA SSD's in our office. I purchased them all myself … after 6 years of 24/7 run time.. Zero have died ..
Trust in a brand is hard to gain and easy to lose… Look at Gigabyte
They have a proven history of somewhat reliability
Western Digital class action suit:
https://www.pcmag.com/news/western-digital-hit-with-class-ac…Samsung issues for the dying 980 Pro SSDs:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-980-pro-ssd-failur…Is your somewhat related to reliability proven by data of is it just opinion?
@billadm: I said History…. My Samsung phone's have always worked well.. my SSD's work well.. i remember the data center return to base failure rate had Samsung as the lowest % in their million drive return warranty list back in 2019
My 980pro 2tb failed. Never trust any piece of hardware you own to be 100% reliable. Ever. This is why everyone should always have multiple backups of irreplaceable data
Specs are contradictory nonsense,
What's contradictory about those 2 specs?
I'm trying to figure that out too. Perhaps the poster that says they somehow contradict each other should limit their comments to things they know something about.
Perhaps you should take your own advice and stop drooling onto the internet.
The device will always be at a temp equal to or higher than environment temp, yet the specs say its max operating temp is 15C lower than max environment temp. For example, if environment temp is 80C, the specs say it can handle this but the device's operating temp will be at least 80C, which is higher than its 70C max operating temp.
The device will always be at a temp equal to or higher than environment temp, yet the specs say its max operating temp is 15C lower than max environment temp.
Thanks for showing us you don't understand the difference between these 2 items!
Environmental is the temps the device is safe to store at when not operating. Operational is the temp when the device is … well … operating.
I guess Western Digital also spew contradicting nonsense when they say:
Operating Temperature 0°C to 70°C
Non-Operating Temperature -55°C to 85°COr perhaps Seagate are also spewing contradicting nonsense when they say:
Temperature, Operating Internal (°C) 0°C – 70°C
Temperature, Non-operating (°C) -40°C – 85°CDamn these Chinese brands and their contradictory nonsense!!
@photonbuddy: You don't have a clue what you're talking about. Storage temperature and environment temp are both types of specs for electronic components, which is why the WD spec you cited says Non-operating temp (another way of saying storage temp), not "environment temp".
The spec for this SSD is either a mistranslation or they're just making shit up, either way the specs are unreliable.
Storage temperature and environment temp are both types of specs for electronic components
Sure. But I've never seen a HDD or SSD mention an environment operating temp range.
The spec for this SSD is either a mistranslation or they're just making shit up
Or … you know … some anti-China muppet trying to be a hero, and failing miserably.
Anyone with half a brain knows full well what those specs mean. The fact that you seem to be silly word games - and getting called out for it - speaks volumes.
Specs are contradictory nonsense
You shouldn't trust that ignorant and non sense web slander.
No doubted, by the name.
There are several Chinese brands making SSDs with YTMC NAND (Fanxiang, Aigo, Lexar, etc). Generally in Chinese market they all receive quite positive reviews.
Btw YTMC is one of the main reasons why SSD price drops so rapidly recently.
We can thank US sanctions for new and fast YMTC flash popping up. Many years ago a lot of budget brands would use rejected Micron flash or even recycled flash (i.e. Colorful using Samsung phone flash) for their SSDs. Now they can get YMTC for cheap.
Neggers are out in force today. In response to US sanctions, YMTC has teamed up with Naura, China's largest semiconductor equipment manufacturer and received US$7 billion in funding. Plus they're teaming up with local manufacturers of controllers, like Maxio to market their new 232-layer TLC NAND chips for cheap prices.
Brands like Fanxiang with a considerable following on JD/Taobao within China can now sell these quality SSDs in overseas markets on AliExpress, Amazon and eBay. It's no wonder brands like Lexar are jumping on the low price, high quality flash.
Those SSD makers aren't better. We know the ones who jumped the gun with that Maxio controller started with 128L YMTC NAND. Also, even for Fanxiang and Lexar, you might still get 128L NAND not 232L NAND. Based on what we've seen from people who bought Lexar NM790 4TB, the NAND used appears to be a different batch. We cannot rule out they are not the more cost effective 128L variant.
For the moment, Crucial, Samsung, Solidigm and WD have no intention to play the same game in the DRAMless SSD PCIe gen 4 x4 market (lousy profit margin). They could slash prices on their current DRAMless SSD offerings. If they go nasty and do a heavy price drop on their flagship SSDs, then things will get quite interesting.
No matter how people want to positive spin this, this combination still cuts corners (DRAMless, and the controller is single core and limited to 4 channels). Most of us just cannot resist the default CrystalDiskMark results on these (but if you run extended tests, you can see signs of the weaknesses of these SSDs).
The US sanactions actually help us (assuming you want these SSDs). Had Apple been allowed to use them on the next set of iPhones selling in China, YMTC would likely not sell them cheap to these SSD makers. It's not all positive though as losing Apple's order makes analysts feel YMTC will struggle to produce a lot of 232L NAND (due to funding issue). I think the 128L NAND, as long as it is the latest XTacking 3.0 type is fine. Not so impressed with YMTC dumping previous gen XTacking NAND chips to other SSD makers.
Great price - 4TB $359 on Amazon - tested and returned for the Lexar NM790 @$255. I think the Fanxiang may be a bit faster in random 4k reads.
Soooo which brand do you think is better overall?
Lexar is more reputable, they used to be a subsidiary of Micron until 2017 when they were sold to Longsys (a Chinese company). Despite initial concerns about Chinese ownership, they've maintained Lexar's reputation well and seem to have fairly good quality control.
NM790 and S880 have identical components but Fangxiang seems to use stock Maxio firmware, while Lexar wrote custom firmware for the drive.
“Another Chiniese competitor”
Bro, I’m pretty sure you need some Englishit lesson.
Updated. Thanks mate.
Potatoe patata
Local warranty is worth the extra $15 for the Lexar
Is the lexar sightly better at any rate ignoring the warranty?
Who knows? New entrant to the western market.
The review an OZBer posted above indicated that reviewer bought 2 from Amazon and 1 turned out to be defective. He was not impressed and returned both.
A lot of people are getting these due to impressive results in Crystal DiskMarks and simply numb brains to ignore previous gen YMTC NAND woes and that Maxio controller is single core so there are cases where it will not perform as well.
Thanks to the bandwidth trick, this combination manages to do well in CDM tests. Otherwise, we generally wouldn't get too excited with Maxio controller based SSDs.
Oh no way Fanxiang come to Australia?
I bought a Fanxiang S500PRO 2TB from China for my X14, works well.
These brands actually do sell in jd.com so actually they do have a very solid warranty.
BTW, at least, we use these as a gaming ssd, the data value is not that crucial.
Would this be good for an OS drive?
For general use its fine.. for Professional use (work). maybe not .. just a guess
I know this day is coming, but this is faster than I expected. This brand is pretty popular recently in China now because of its price point.
So far it seems the most noticeable short-term issue on Maxio controller SSDs are the compatibility with older Linux kernels, and somehow a number of those SSDs are not properly initialised during manufacturing and they share the same serial number internally and may cause issues when you have multiple SSDs with the same model on the same system.
N.B. at $120 for 2TB it's almost the same price point as buying from Taobao or JD, if not lower. Interesting
lol on a very irrelevant note, the first thing that came to mind when I saw the brand name is 飯香 😂
Maybe I should go get some lunch..
It's like the new Honkai character being called
Gui nai fen. Even with ping yin's accented vowel, it's still funny when you see roman-lettered Chinese names.Expensive baby formula? 😂
But would you buy this over the Lexar though? In China, 15AUD may matter quite a bit, but for us, it's not a big deal.
Lexar now is also a Chinese brand and owned by Chinese company. They use the same YMTC nand. I will just buy whichever is cheaper.
All the power to you.
But i must ask, am I out of touch? Is 15 bucks really worth people signing up to be an early adopter of a company's first foray into the global market, in an eBay store, no less. We don't even know do they adhere to ACCC's compliance requirements.
Atleast Lexar has official presence in Australia.
Bump and thanks OP 😊
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Shenzhen Fanxiang Information Technology Co., LTD., better known just as Fanxiang, is a Chinese company established in 2015. Based in Guangdong, they specialize in designing and producing memory solutions including USB flash drives, SD and Micro SD cards, SATA and NVMe SSDs, external SSDs, RAM, and several other types of storage.
They’ve sold more than $660,000 worth of products on Alibaba alone (where it appears most of their SSDs originate), and employ over 100 people.
According to representatives from Fanxiang, most of their high-end NVMe SSDs utilize Yeestor, SMI, or Maxio controllers with NAND flash produced by a mix of Yangtze (YMTC), Intel, and SK Hynix.
By all reports, Fanxiang SSDs are of excellent quality. This is unsurprising since, according to their Alibaba page which functions as their primary website, Fanxiang SSDs and other hardware undergo extensive quality control before being shipped off. Importantly, this process includes CrystalDiskMark tests to verify speeds are up to par with advertised values.
This is reflected in customer ratings; on Newegg the S101 (the only SSD listed there) receives 4.9/5 “eggs,” while on Amazon ratings are consistently at or above 4.6 stars. These numbers are across thousands of ratings, which substantially increases their reliability.
High customer review averages are of the utmost importance, since defect rate can’t be gauged by testing one or even several units. Over thousands of units, however, a brand’s consistency and QC quality becomes more apparent.
https://artofpc.com/fanxiang-brand-review/
Always backup your drives.. Doesn't matter what brand!