Would You Buy BYD Atto 3 EV or MG 4 EV?

digitalfarmer on 11/09/2023 - 22:12

Hi Guys,

Help me to decide.

I am planning to get an EV.

Which one would you recommend and why?

I am interested in getting BYD Atto 3, What are your thoughts on this?

  1. What is the current government rebate on EVs? (I am in WA)
  2. Do you own one? What is the actual battery driving range for BYD Atto3 Standard?
  3. How much the servicing cost?
  4. What needs to be serviced?
  5. Do you get notification on what needs to be serviced (Something like Tesla)?
  6. How is the safety features looks like?
  7. How much the comprehensive insurance cost?

Any other thoughts/recommendation?

Thanks in advance for your valuable time reading and commenting.

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Comments

  • coffeeinmyveins on 11/09/2023 - 22:17
    +19

    Literally all of these questions are Googleable. Why would you not do that first?

    • Euphemistic on 11/09/2023 - 22:35
      +1

      I don’t get it either, it is really easy to find and normally from a reputable site, not a bunch of random keyboard warriors.

      If you want to use a forum most effectively you have to ask a question but also post your own opinion/answer to see how many people tell you you’re wrong

    • bobbified on 11/09/2023 - 22:36
      +1

      Posting here and then coming back later for the answers uses less electricity at OP's house!

      • holdenmg on 12/09/2023 - 06:48

        This thread should be Carbon neutralised.

      • digitalfarmer on 12/09/2023 - 08:23
        -4

        Yes, that is correct.

    • chuchu on 12/09/2023 - 08:17

      Because he's a digital farmer

    • Protractor on 12/09/2023 - 09:39
      +1

      This is a work ethic free zone

  • Stopback on 11/09/2023 - 22:20

    Wait one more year. 5 percent improvement.

    If smartphones where cars

  • silverrat23 on 11/09/2023 - 22:23
    +5

    Get yourself a snack and enjoy reading this guy's experiences with the BYD Atto 3. It's a good read.

    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/725256

  • Euphemistic on 11/09/2023 - 22:28

    Both at the most budget end of the market. Go test drive and see which you prefer.

  • JimmyF on 11/09/2023 - 22:31

    Why no poll?

    • bobbified on 11/09/2023 - 22:39

      Here

    • Mechz on 11/09/2023 - 23:49

      Not smart enough to google so what makes you think OP could even manage to work out how to create a poll on here?

  • Trying2SaveABuck on 11/09/2023 - 22:45
    +4

    the answer the question in the title - No

    • Mechz on 11/09/2023 - 23:50

      Not living up to your handle, instant ban lol

      • Trying2SaveABuck on 12/09/2023 - 09:44
        -1

        Not living up to your handle, instant ban lol

        the re-sale value on all these cars is terrible

        people 'often' look to much at sticker price and not enough at what the car is worth then they plan to turn it in.

        If you're buying a Merc or Porcha i kind of 'assume' you dont care about resale value but on the lower end of the market Chinese cars are cheaper to buy but loose the resale value making the Japanese and Korean cars better bang for ones buck imho

  • Muzeeb on 11/09/2023 - 22:58
    +3

    14th laziest post in ozbargain history.

    • Hackney on 16/09/2023 - 10:02

      Yours being the ‘15th’!

  • Peanut money on 12/09/2023 - 04:06
    +4

    Do yourself a favour a buy yourself a second hand holden Captiva or Holden vectra instead

    Maybe even a mid 90s Alfa.

    • jackary on 12/09/2023 - 07:34
      +1

      Don’t forget the Cruze!

    • digitalfarmer on 12/09/2023 - 08:15

      👌

    • Ramennightmare on 12/09/2023 - 08:32

      I thought Toyota Camry is the cmmunity preference here.

      • Mibo on 12/09/2023 - 14:21
        +1

        It's a joke, the Captiva is terrible

  • Protractor on 12/09/2023 - 09:37
    -4

    Buy a RAM. We have passed the tipping point .

    • resisting the urge on 12/09/2023 - 10:17
      +1

      EVs aren't so bad!

      They are but another way to directly support the car industry, slowly implementing new ways to produce near-100% green-washed products, whilst maintaining maximum carbon impact.

      • dazweeja on 12/09/2023 - 10:35
        +3

        My EV is charged from the solar panels on my roof during the afternoon. Of course, there are environmental impacts in mining the materials and building the car and solar panels, and these are typically higher than ICE vehicles, but after that there are none. No emissions and no extraction, production and distribution of petrol.

        • Protractor on 12/09/2023 - 10:59

          Wishful thinking.

          EV owners overstate the green creds. You need to take into account the lifestyle behind the owner,long term issues, what areas the mines obliterate,the panel GHG input (over a lifetime from the raw materials,disposal at end life etc.
          Basically if you are on or feeding into the grid you lose a lot of your cred right there.

          We need to stop proliferating humans not more EVs

          You don't escape your Karma or your footprint without doing all the maths.

          • dazweeja on 12/09/2023 - 11:14
            +3

            @Protractor:

            You need to take into account the lifestyle behind the owner,long term issues, what areas the mines obliterate,the panel GHG input (over a lifetime from the raw materials,disposal at end life etc.

            For the last two, of course. That's the primary environmental impact and I already mentioned that. For the first two, I'm not sure how that relates to my car.

            Basically if you are on or feeding into the grid you lose a lot of your cred right there.

            I lose cred by providing energy from the sun into the grid?

            You don't escape your Karma or your footprint without doing all the maths

            I did all the maths and it's much better for the environment. Why are you trying to understate my impact?

            • resisting the urge on 12/09/2023 - 12:25
              -1

              @dazweeja: You did the maths? Oh, do share!

              Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of regenerative braking, but it is very old hat.

              I would really love for my back yard, common sense, practical hypothesis to be proved incorrect that buying a new car (of any kind) over maintaining an old one (Note: not abusing, maintaining) can provide any green credit whatsoever.

              Feeding the grid locally is certainly good in simple theory, but if adding up a method to reduce emissions and energy wastage, I'd argue that a grid (anything like the way we've built it), is a long way from good!

              Did you simply compare a new ICE car vs new EV car = EV car good if charged from your own roof or another 'green' source?

              But did you even calculate the impact of cloud on the overall amount of carbon-free charging you do? Most people have too little solar generation at home, and do too many miles, let alone remain at home enough during their working life to achieve anything here.

            • Protractor on 13/09/2023 - 12:45

              @dazweeja: Better screw up your maths homework paper and redo it >
              https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/mining/amnesty-inte…

  • brad1-8tsi on 12/09/2023 - 09:59

    Wouldn't buy a BYD purely because they appear to have sub-contracted servicing and warranty to MyCar. I assume that means no parts on the shelf and every warranty job needing several visits, very little vehicle specific training and no skin in the game and therefore no f***s given.

    • resisting the urge on 12/09/2023 - 10:20
      -2

      I disagree! The free market will find a way to develop quality maintenance services.

      Once it has filled every landfill with E-Bikes, Scooters, Vehicles and Robots.

      MyCar (K-mart and other multinationals) will simply make hay in the meantime.

      • brad1-8tsi on 14/09/2023 - 12:31
        +1

        MyCar (K-mart and other multinationals) will simply make hay in the meantime.

        You've obviously resisted the urge to get your facts right.

        Wesfarmers (who own K-Mart) sold KTAS to Continental in 2018. K-Mart Australia is not and never will be a multi-national.

        • resisting the urge on 15/09/2023 - 14:32
          +2

          The distinctions you draw here really don't really count.

          My point is that it was owned by a multi-national. Which was substantively correct (given K-Mart was owned by Wesfarmers).

          Now sold up the multi-national chain, to one of the world's most significant natural resource hungry multi-nationals, expanding its automotive footprint. Any hope of quality service and green creds- truly toasted. (Rubber tapping is one of the most ethically challenged forest industries).

          • brad1-8tsi on 15/09/2023 - 17:49

            @resisting the urge: In what way is Wesfarmers a multinational?

            • resisting the urge on 15/09/2023 - 18:13

              @brad1-8tsi: It owns many foreign companies, both wholly and in part, and runs revenues through numerous foreign accounts. Participates in numerous overseas corporate deals, relationships, and no doubt hedges forex, or deals and who knows what else via Bermuda.

              • brad1-8tsi on 15/09/2023 - 20:11

                @resisting the urge: name those companies.

                When did you last read Wesfarmers annual report?

                • resisting the urge on 16/09/2023 - 02:59
                  +1

                  @brad1-8tsi: Might need to go deeper than that. Not inc. New Zealand, they run the following entities:

                  Bangladesh
                  KAS International Sourcing Bangladesh Pvt Ltd

                  Bermuda
                  Wesfarmers Risk Management Limited

                  China
                  KAS International Trading (Shanghai) Company Limited
                  Target Australia Sourcing (Shanghai) Co Ltd
                  WIS Supply Chain Management (Shanghai) Co Ltd

                  HK
                  KAS Global Trading Pty Limited
                  KAS Pty Limited
                  Target Australia Sourcing Limited
                  The Workwear Group HK Limited

                  Indonesia
                  PT Blackwoods Indonesia

                  India
                  Bunnings Technologies India Private Limited
                  KAS Direct Sourcing Private Limited
                  KAS Services India Private Limited

                  Singapore
                  Wesfarmers Risk Management (Singapore) Pte Ltd

                  UAE
                  WWG Middle East Apparel Trading LLC

                  USA
                  Anko Retail Incorporated
                  Wesfarmers Chemical US Holdings Corp

                  UK
                  …

    • justdigi on 12/09/2023 - 10:34
      +1

      Pretty sure that’s no longer the case. I test-drove one at Brisbane Auto Mall - which is run by Eagers Motor Group and they had the service centre as part of the dealership. I think MyCar is only if you don’t have a BYD dealership in your town? So maybe only MyCar outside capital cities.

    • pegaxs on 12/09/2023 - 21:05
      +1

      BYD have their own service centres piggybacked onto Eager’s Automotive centres. MyCar is a supplement arrangement that is used for basic servicing and low level warranty concerns.

      Added to this, not all MyCar outlets are equipped to service BYD vehicles any more than what your local independent guy would be.

  • [Deactivated] on 12/09/2023 - 10:24

    MG4 👍

  • freefall101 on 12/09/2023 - 11:04
    +2

    What is the current government rebate on EVs? (I am in WA) - Google it, I don't live in WA
    Do you own one? What is the actual battery driving range for BYD Atto3 Standard? - I own one. Varies greatly on the speed you're doing. Around town, basically uses nothing. I did a return day trip but took different highways each way. Doing 110-115 used about 20% more electricity than the 100km/h the opposite way. I find I drive slower now I know that it costs me! Don't put the sunroof down if you're worried about range.
    How much the servicing cost? Google it, fixed price. It's something like $3k over 8 years
    What needs to be serviced? Google it, but mostly "the car".
    Do you get notification on what needs to be serviced (Something like Tesla)? I have no idea what a Tesla does but it pops up a notification when it's due
    How is the safety features looks like? They look like they exist
    How much the comprehensive insurance cost? About as much as it usually costs for a car.

    Key annoyances - software is a hot mess, but I just use apple carplay. They're still rolling out updates though, there was a software update to stop the windows fogging up (and it works too). Lane assist is incredibly annoying, make sure you put it on vibration only - audio goes bonkers. Pretty comfortable to drive in, I'm out of shape with a bad knee and I can do a couple of hundred km easily.

    I've heard the MG is amazing to drive though - I would have bought that were it available at the time. Test drive both, buy the one you like, simples.

  • megadeth on 12/09/2023 - 19:40
    -1

    This was in today's paper. Anyone knows which car company this yard belongs to?
    Five cars destroyed at sydney airport after battery from luxury electric vehicle ignites

    Donesn't look to be Tesla's as there clearly are hatchbacks stored here, and the door handles of burnt cars don't look Tesla's.

    Op, just stay away from this company! you don't want this to happen in your garage.

    • jackary on 12/09/2023 - 20:07
      +1

      Funnily enough, it’s an MG that caught alight. You can tell from the door handles and wheels. It’s a ZS EV.

      1, 2

      • megadeth on 12/09/2023 - 20:09
        +1

        Hmmm, I was leaning towards it but wasn't 100% sure - thanks for confirming. I think BYD is technically better than other Chinese makes, BYD being a primary battery manufacturer.

        • jackary on 12/09/2023 - 20:12

          I’m torn, I think I’d go for the MG4, but I take your point.

          What I’d be very curious to know is what the “safety record” is like vs an ICE vehicle. Because sometimes they spontaneously combust in the garage too

          • megadeth on 12/09/2023 - 20:16

            @jackary: Not an expert on the subject but larger brands Tesla, BYD could be relatively safer given they've been in the business of making EVs for quite some time and their designs are somewhat proven. New entrants in EV space appear to have teething problems while their designs evolve.

  • pegaxs on 12/09/2023 - 20:55
    +2

    What is the current government rebate on EVs? (I am in WA)

    Can’t use Google or WA gov website?

    Do you own one?

    Yes

    What is the actual battery driving range for BYD Atto3 Standard?

    Don’t know, I have extended range, and I get about 420km (giggity) around town or about 380km on mostly highway.

    How much the servicing cost?

    Again, can’t use Google or use the BYD website?

    What needs to be serviced?

    Not much. Most of the service is checks, cabin filters and software updates. Front drivetrain oil needs to be replaced at 20,000km

    Do you get notification on what needs to be serviced (Something like Tesla)?

    Not what needs to be serviced, but “when”

    How is the safety features looks like?

    Huh? What are they or how do they look?

    How much the comprehensive insurance cost?

    How long is a piece of string? Everyone has vastly different circumstances, so everyone would get a different price. Mine is about $750/year.

  • Tomcruise on 13/09/2023 - 00:07

    NO

  • Sinnerator on 13/09/2023 - 08:01

    OP, whilst the bastards here have hammered you, you should be glad you didn't post on whirlpool

  • seannami on 13/09/2023 - 16:23
    +3

    Have a ZSEV- so can't answer for the MG4 specifically (I have test driven all 3) but MG software is essentially the same framework in both- yes there are some level of indication of faults in the system. MG servicing is fixed price alternating. MG4 is a good drive, comfy, zippy. Only worry I had was that the nose felt low for steep driveways, but I am known for my worry about nose diving a driveway! Overall I was happy with my test drive of the 4- though I also don't agree the ZSEV is as terrible as everyone makes out (reviews saying the MG4 is "miles better" are kind of exaggerating) and I didn't like the BYD, so YMMV. Oh, the power modes are a lot smoother in the MG4 for than the ZSEV (no really obvious power drop) but not as heavy feeling as the BYD, I found (except in Eco mode, which it sort of eased into). The regen brake modes are a little smoother too (MGs regen on releasing the accelerator on higher settings, BYD on braking apparently, so that would drive differently.

    MG Pilot safety features are pretty solid- 360 cameras, front and rear radar, vehicle and pedestrian emergency braking, lane keep assist (though 100% day one turn this to alert mode only). Air bags. Just note the MG4 only has full 360 cams on the Trophy 64 and up so if you're gonna get one, go the Trophy. I would probably have gone for an MG4 myself if I had known when they were coming or any other information when I ordered the ZSEV.

    As for range, a rough estimate is probably take the listed spec and round it down (320 listed for my model ZSEV, I get about 300) but to be honest, I get 3 trips to work before I feel like I'd like to charge, 4 if I don't mind being a bit low by the end. Heck, if you are worried, granny-plug her in each time you get home and keep her topped up (or at around 80%, if its a long range). I got a wallbox put in (single phase) so 25% to full is around 5-6 hours over night and I'm good to go. Basically, don't stress too much about range for day to day stuff, and longer trips Plugshare is your friend.

    My first service 1000kms was basically a software update and a wash (pretty sure an MG4 one would be the same). MG having dealerships around might be a consideration in terms of servicing. My next service isn't for 2 ish years, so no idea what a major would look like. The car does tell you when the service is coming due and if there are any faults in any system, including tire pressure.

    I'm in Vic, so rebate is currently negative 2.8c/km… Though MG themselves have a deal think going on where you get a rebate and a wall charger (of course, after my car arrived- though I got the last of the Vic rebate, so hey). Insurance for me is $195 a month, but that is comprehensive + fleet benefit because I'm on a novated lease.

    Honest foible I have with mine is that there is nothing stopping you going into drive and moving off before the car is "ready" (aka booted), so occasionally the system won't start completely (mainly one of the radars won't kick on completely and you get a warning). Turning off then on again, or waiting until the boot is done (30 seconds at most) is fine. The MG4 fixed this by locking you in neutral until the boot up is done- again, a short wait, but I was used to an ICE. The car itself is a good egg, the software might need a bug fix or two…

    In short- test drive, you will find you prefer one or the other, order the one you prefer. Done and done. Surely a good amount of a decision about a car is "which would I rather drive", right?

    • digitalfarmer on 13/09/2023 - 21:12

      Thanks for your reply.

      • seannami on 30/10/2023 - 14:42

        Can update now I have been around someone with an MG4 77 Essence (as a passenger, and comparing our cars a fair bit). The MG4 is a solid car, has nearly eliminated the software wibbles from the ZS (there is still some things that are a bit annoying, like it resetting drive mode/regen settings, but eh). I have a bit of car envy now (though not regretting my car choice either). If you go MG4, go for something Essence line so you get 360 cameras and avoid the weird ugly "too tight for a spoiler" covers that look like you are missing a part for no reason. Don't bother with the super fast tiny willy edition, the normal MG4 (and any EV generally, except a Dolphin) is zippy as all get out and there is no need for a 0-100 in 3 inches starter. Also invest in a basket or crate for the boot to put the cables in. Unlike the ZS, the MG4 doesn't have a space in the boot for cables to sit.

  • tonyjzx on 15/09/2023 - 01:38

    funnily enough i have the same curiousity about the three competing products… ie. BYO ATTO vs. GWM Ora vs. MG4

    but none of the questions OP asks is any I care about… simply because they are easily found and they're only a small proportion of the choice

    eg. warranty??? service locations?

    to me the only choice is the MG4 but anyway…

  • Brick Tamland on 15/09/2023 - 14:18
    +1

    MG4 would be my choice but only because I hate SUVs

  • Protractor on 16/09/2023 - 09:52

    Can see why Teslas off the wish list>
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-16/rented-a-tesla-for-a-…

    • tonyjzx on 16/09/2023 - 12:00

      tbf this is a article written by a luddite

      why would you subject yourself to a tesla if you are not willing to immerse yourself into the tesla multiverse?

      if you want a corolla, buy a corolla

      • Protractor on 16/09/2023 - 14:26

        I forgot. Elon only takes techo Gen z money.
        ; )
        These sorts of articles are useful, though. Even luddites want to avoid a mobile shitfest while they save the planet

        • tonyjzx on 16/09/2023 - 20:49

          tbf most people on ozbb would be fine with it and most passing tech people with new phones and laptops would be fine with it

          musk didnt make a car for everyone, which is fair enough

          but if you're a boomer azzwhole then why even bother? toyota have the car for you

          • Protractor on 16/09/2023 - 21:11

            @tonyjzx: Once again you missed the point. Why design a car (EV in this case) that has the potential to deny 'other' ppl who 'actually' give a shit about future generations, (you know the ones with 3 generations of skin in the game) via your 'look how clever I am' bling.
            There's nothing wrong with simple ,reliable, universally usable tech. In fact I'd say it's a marketing winner. But hey, blame boomers, it's the default excuse for lazy debaters.

            • tonyjzx on 16/09/2023 - 21:35

              @Protractor: you're asking the guy who made the Cybertruck and names his kid Terminus Maximus and is the richest dude in the world

              i'm sure he doesnt need your advice

              thing is certain people would never buy your stuff anyway so why try to pander to that?

              eg. I would never buy an iphone and yet… they're a trillion dollar company

              they're doing something right

              • Protractor on 16/09/2023 - 22:09

                @tonyjzx: I guess when you are so filthy rich and intend to desert the home planet, at the first oppo, or better let everyone else pull the pin, why would you give a toss about anything else .
                For a 'man' who has no problem pumping out kids he sure sets a low bar for their future. You cant eat,drink or breathe crypto

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