Fair Division of Rent When Sharing Rental Property

Any input, even on only one point that jumps out at you, would be appreciated.

I rent a 3 bedroom house but only use 1 bedroom. I'm thinking about sharing the property with another tenant. So I began thinking of ways to divide the rent fairly.

e.g. If only one person moved in obviously the rent gets halved 50/50. Then I thought what if they want 2 of the bedrooms to themselves. Ok, so divide the rent by 3 total bedrooms, then multiply by their 2 bedrooms to get their share of the total rent.

Then I thought of the many possible combinations. i.e. If a family of 5 moved in it's not fair I pay according to the number of bedrooms (one-third), because there's only 1 of me and 5 of them.

So I began a spreadsheet to try to easily and consistently calculate rent shares using ratios.

e.g. $800/w total rent to pay, divided by the total number of people living in the house, multiplied by the number of people in their family = their share of the rent.

But next I thought is it fair to count a baby as an adult. So I set adults as "1" full rent share, and children as a "0.5" share.

I haven't got as far as water & electricity bills yet. But was thinking I might use the same formula/ratios to split utilities too!? It's almost certain they'll use more electricity than I do, so no matter how many move in I'd lose out there, but oh well.

So I'm seeking input, what people think:

a) Should I count children as adults, where every person no matter their age "pays" an equal share of rent? Somehow it doesn't seem fair to me a 0-4 year old should count as an adult share, but then again, they'll have 2 rooms to themselves now compared to my 1 room, so I'm not sure!? I'm open to opinions/discussion on fair ways to go about this.

b) If I should not count children as adults, at what age should they be counted as adults?

c) And what rent ratio should a child count as… a third of an adult share, a half?

d) Or should there be a few different age ranges? e.g. Age 0-4 "pays" 0% or something small like 5%, ages 5-9 "pay" xx%, 10-15 are yy%, etc. And if yes, what age ranges do people think should I set, and what should their percentages be?

e) Or is there another method entirely of splitting rent I should look at?

Obviously all this will be up for negotiation with any new tenant, but I want to have some reasonable starting point.

f) I'm concerned another person will run a wasteful fan heater day and night in their room driving the power bill through the roof, and the house really needs a reverse cycle aircon to make the worst of summer and winter tolerable anyway. So I plan to ask the Real Estate for permission to install a split system. The house is small so it would heat/cool the entire place "wasting" less power than several fan heaters running.

I thought of asking potential tenants if they will split that cost. It's almost certain they'll use more power than me. So them paying for half the aircon would mitigate some of that ongoing loss. Whoever leaves the house first would lose their half of that aircon. But the person who stays also has to wear the cost of repairing the inner and outer walls (if they want to take it with them).

So what do people think regarding that… if it were you, would you object to going halves in a new aircon?

As above, discussion and opinions welcome.

Comments

  • +10

    Rent the rooms by the hour…

    • +2

      Add cameras

      • LOL.

    • I think if the OP opened his mouth he could also offer free contraception

      His next headache is how does he bill for this

    • Ugh. Pass.

  • +8

    this will not end well no matter what. Good luck tho

  • +26

    You’d be a pain to live with.

    • +3

      Wait until you see their comment history (they're about as subtle as their profile pic implies)

    • -3

      Only for fools and ferals (oh, and vegans). And none of those will get a foot in the door.

      • Looks like your comment has been seen and neg'd by 2 vegans (so far!) lol

        • -2

          Now as Dictator Dan would say, "That's just not fair…"

          They could be any combination of the three! ;-D

          • @[Deactivated]:

            They could be any combination of the three!

            Fools and ferals don't know they're fools and ferals….😁

  • Good luck with that

    • Thanks!

  • +25

    You’re totally underthinking this:

    What about public holidays

    What about February where it’s either 28/29 days only

    Do the sub-tenant also observe the holy holiday period of JV-mas?

    What if their friend comes in and stays a night

    What if a child has a sleepover with 20 classmates

    How’s this going to affect your home and contents insurance eg what if they left the door unlocked

    Did ya even consider this op??

    • -2

      Of course.

      Not sure what you're referring to with some of that… just being funny maybe…

      It's not a sublease. They'll be added to my lease as additional tenants.

      They have the right to visitors just as I do. If they bring some no-hoper who wants to sponge of us I have plenty of covert ways to cause THEM to get rid of him/her without either of them knowing where it came from.

      20 kid sleepover… no problem. Used to work in childcare and youth groups.

      Don't need insurance. All appliances are old and replacements available cheap, or free from FB Marketplace. The last few days I've seen 7 single beds given away, 1 king, 2 doubles, 3 fridges, a washing machine, 4 lounges (two were nice real leather ones). Nothing was broken, dirty, with only minor usage marks if any - just because people get bored and/or are wasteful, need to have the "new shiny toy." Most had no "taken" posts so I would have been the first.

      As long I can roll my small laptop desk out the nearby door everything else can burn, and I'd be back to the same or better state in 2-4 weeks using FB Marketplace for the cost of petrol. I'd miss my nearly-new piano but that only cost $1600, and I'd regret losing the $10,000 music collection I've amassed, but I've noticed 95%+ are on sites like TIdal & Spotify now anyway. The index is in a spreadsheet on the laptop, so I'd just sign up for a free trial, use software to rip the music from those sites. The money I've saved on insurance over 30 years has already paid for everything several times over. If I lose the laptop too… Meh, so I'd lose about $5K of crypto, scanned photos I never look at anyway, and movies I can download again using torrents (if I can be bothered).

      I'll be buying a motorhome eventually and moving out to travel Australia. So we can both use my stuff, or theirs. I'll be getting rid of it all anyway for cents on the dollar if they don't want it.

      I'll be putting keyed locks on the 3 bedroom doors so they feel safe, and my laptop can't be accessed without me there.

      I've been in shared rentals before. Twice actually. It was fine. (Well, apart from only one bathroom, so needing to pee behind the garage sometimes.) And I always assumed everyone could sense/judge others in a few minutes, but I was shocked when I realised many people can't. I sense big problems coming a mile away, lies, insincerity, SCREAMS OUT at me - and I often see the proof of that later. So people who set off my "spidey sense" just won't get a look-in. Nothing remotely close to "Kath & Kim" "houso" types with tatts driving red commodores will be getting a look-in for a start. Neither will - ahem - "women" who mention, "Thanks for this, I have to get out of my place due to domestic violence…" No luv, you just have "buyers regret" because women who really do go through that feel shame and so don't wave it about openly like a golden ticket that opens the door to every chocolate factory.

      Other smaller things like hair or toothpaste in the basin, meh, who cares. Clean is better of course, but if it doesn't get washed down the drain until tomorrow or even the next real estate inspections, meh, who really cares. Don't sweat the small stuff.

      So yes, I've thought about it comprehensively.

  • +12

    What if a tenant moves in but don't use any bedrooms? Would rent be free?

    Would a person renting your 2nd bedroom as a growhouse entitle you to half the profits?

    If their cat fathers your cats kittens, how will you decide on financial assistance when they leave you high and dry?

    Lot's of variables…

    • What if a tenant moves in but don't use any bedrooms? Would rent be free?

      Then they're not here. So I'd rent it to someone who was, who pays rent, yeah?

      Would a person renting your 2nd bedroom as a growhouse entitle you to half the profits?

      I'd call the police. Solved in minutes. (I'd never let that person in, in the first place. I don't know why people find it difficult to "read" people like that. For me it's like they're been drenched in bright reflective paint.)

      If their cat fathers your cats kittens, how will you decide on financial assistance when they leave you high and dry?

      And I quote from the basic ad I have so far, "No pets. No exceptions."

  • +9

    You are definitely don't appear compatible with share housing. Move to a smaller rental.

    • I'm only incompatible with people who are incompatible with everyone who isn't also an NPC.

      • Whichever game designer wrote your dialogue tree deserves to be shot (or transferred to Activision)

  • How to split rent look at other properties.

    Look at demand.

    • Good idea, thanks. :-)

  • +3

    Going off your post is hazard a guess that you’re young, single, and male. A family is not going to want to live with you and good luck getting permission for that air con idea

    • I really wonder about the horrible places some people must be forced to live in/deal with.

      There is no land left here to develop, it fills with tourists in the holidays, the beach is a short walk from most properties, the schools etc are all great with no trouble because it's rural, so people are friendly and look out for each other and their stuff, and the few ferals are named and shamed so soon leave. So people are begging to be accepted. There's none of this: "families won't want to…" business, lol. It's a case of, "Please take us! We've been trying to get a home for a year, 18 months, 2 years… and been living in a camper trailer in my parents yard!"

      And what kind of idiotic REAs are people on here forced to deal with. What person in their right mind would refuse an aircon install which raises the value of their property (meaning they can charge more rent) and which they don't have to pay for!?

      You apply to the REA, they pass the request on to the owner telling them I will be told it has to be installed by a trades-qualified person and I have to return the property to it's original condition or leave the aircon when I leave, the owner says "meh, sure", and the REA relays that same info back to the tenant. I've done it at my last place, the REA here has already suggested it in the past, and I've met the owners a few times too who would have no problem because they don't want me to leave.

  • +5

    You're over thinking it

    Just advertise based on who you want to live with/rules. Eg "rent for one room, no babies, no sleep overs"

    • +2

      kinda got the impression overthinking is how the op is wired, he's going to burn thru a lot of flatmates

    • Thanks. Yeah I have some non-negotiable criteria like no pets. There's a LOT of demand for rentals here so I'd be amazed if I couldn't find someone so we're both happy with the arrangement. The proportions of the rent is one thing I want to sort out before advertising though. I think I'm being fair/reasonable but wanted some feedback on that.

  • +1

    Just throw rent split calculator into google and there’s a few that will split based on room size, ensuites, number of people, etc. The most important thing is that the amount you settle on lines up with everything else on the market.

    I’m in a similar sitatuation, in a 2 bedroom plus study on my own. I’m looking at renting out the spare room but instead of trying to split everything fairly I’m going to treat it like a business in that I will pay everything to keep the house going (rent, bills, and household items like TP) then charge an amount where I feel fairly compensated while still being competitive. I’m going to furnish the room and target medium stay international students as I don’t want someone who is looking to make their mark on the house rather someone who is looking for a place that’s already set up, plus I figure international students aren’t as likely to want to have friends over all the time.

    • Thank you. Yeah, that's a well thought out plan. I originally wanted to do similar but the REA refuses to allow me to sublet - said anyone new must go on my lease. Which of course means if they decide not to pay their share of the rent, I have to pay it all. I don't realistically see that being a problem with the type of people around here, but it's possible. If that happened I'd probably just get my motorhome sooner, leave, and see how they like paying the whole amount themselves, lol.

      I wish I lived near a Uni like you. I know people who rent their spare rooms to students, and have known students themselves renting other places. You're right, they're usually too flat-out to do much socializing - the serious ones anyway. When they do have someone over it's not to hang around the house watching TV, drinking, etc. It's a case of maybe staying only long enough to eat a meal then they disappear somewhere else like out, or back into their bedroom to study with the door closed.

      • -1

        Oh everybody sublets, the RE is just dotting their i's and crossing t's when they tell you not to but they know everyone does. It's also easier for them to say that so they people don't try and involve them in their sharehouse drama.

        I've seen a few ads from people who are employed interstate or out of town who travel back and forth and just need a place to crash on weeknights, that would be ideal.

  • +1

    6 people in a 3 bedroom house is a bit tight.

    • Yeah it was just an example. Once I decide the %s/ratios I can enter any number of people in the spreadsheet and get a reasonable rent estimate. Ideally though I was thinking 1 adult + 1-2 kids at most due to there being 2 rooms available. Most people would only want 1. But if there's at least 2, neither they or I will feel we have to constantly "entertain" each other just because we pass each other in the hall. They'll be talking to each other instead most of the time. Plus with more than 1, the less rent I pay, the more saving$ in my bank account. ;-)

  • +5

    Please, for everyone's sake don't get a housemate.

    • Your right, it's not fair I punish all of Ozbargain for allowing you access.

  • So if they used the second bedroom as a lounge room and let you use the proper lounge by yourself, you'd still charge them 2/3 the rent?

    • Well see that's the thing… I'm seeking input. What do you think? Obviously no, I guess? I mean, I have this huge corner lounge with 7 seats. So I can sit one end, they still have 5 seats plus one for a gap between me and them. Each seat is so wide you could fit 3 people every 2 seats in a party situation. It's leather seat tops but fake leather lower down that is flaking. So I don't care if they have kids who use as a trampoline if they like after turning the ceiling fan off, lol. So they don't HAVE to use the second room as their own lounge room. But regardless of what's in the room, wouldn't you charge more if they wanted it to themselves? What about if they were using it as an office?

      • And what if they want to host six of their friends over twice a week?

        • So!? It's their place too.

          • @[Deactivated]: Where will you sit if the seven of them are taking up your seven seater?

            • @AustriaBargain: Under the cutest one… over 16 and under 40.

  • +2

    This is worse than applying for a job

    • +6

      Living with this guy is going to be worse than dying!

      • Why exactly… Because I want to be fair about the rent, not to cheat someone!? Maybe you think I should charge them 100% so I can live here for free?

        • There's nothing wrong with the way you work things out. But if you're going sharing with other people, trying to split things down to the cent is simply a recipe for disaster. Some things are just not "splittable" the way you want it. Might sound good in theory, but it doesn't work in real life. There's got to be a bit of give and take in everything.

    • -2

      Please stay grounded in reality… we know you've never applied for a job.

      • Telling me to stay grounded in reality when you're imposing all these terms and conditions to all possible scenario…. that's ironic.

  • +2

    Like others have said.. don't share with others. Save yourself the stress and headache.
    The rent is just one thing. Are you going to proportion the water costs by how many minutes each person showers each day?

    Even if you agree on how to split something right now, you're just going to turn around and have second thoughts.

    • -1

      Maybe, but there must be other people in Australia sharing houses just fine. I've lived in shared houses before but when I was <18, so I don't know how bills were divided. There was one person back then who was a problem but she soon got tired of others confronting her selfishness and left. There were no problems with the rest, in both homes. Actually I just remembered… we even took one of them with us into the next shared rental.

      I don't why people seem afraid of just discussing about maybe adjusting things. i.e. If I thought someone was using 4 times more water what's wrong with discussing it with them. The worst they can say is, "Nah I'll be paying the same as before thanks." Even if they used $20 more water than me every week, that's no reason to forfeit the other $380 in rent they might have been paying which then stays in my bank instead of into the landlord's.

      I use the aircon more than most people, so there's things they'd probably want to talk to me about too. That's going to be part of our first conversation… "All things are up for discussion and negotiation."

      • I don't why people seem afraid of just discussing about maybe adjusting things

        It's not that people are "afraid" to talk about certain things. There's little things that people just can't be stuffed wasting their energy talking about constantly. Disagreements often cause friction. And friction over little things are just not worth the effort. People have better things to do than wasting hours of discussion trying to figure out who should pay $5 more.

        I use the aircon more than most people, so there's things they'd probably want to talk to me about too.

        Up in your original post, you say (quoting) " It's almost certain they'll use more electricity than I do, so no matter how many move in I'd lose out there, but oh well."
        And then here, you say that you use more aircon than more people. If I'm not mistaken, aircon is often one of the biggest contributors to a high electricity bill. So which is it?

        Imagine having discussions every day about having to split a particular bill but it never seems to be "in your favour". Im sure you wouldn't be happy about it because you'll keep thinking that you're "losing out".

  • +1

    Perhaps move to a property which is more suitable to you.

    Subletting is a complex web of legalities when things go wrong - ie you can't just kick them out when they are trashing the place etc.

    • Yeah I've been looking… for seven years. :-/ First, I need at least a single garage due to my hobbies, but I never see a 1 or 2 bedroom rental with a garage. Actually, I have seen a few but they are always villas/townhouses attached to mirrored one with a common wall. So I wouldn't be able to do my wood/metal work anyway, plus no piano. Not fair to them, not fair to me to sit quietly so I don't get evicted. Where I am now I have been grinding metal at 2AM and no-one says nuthin'.

      Next problem, even if I did find one, I'm paying below market rent here. So I'm paying for a 3 bedroom home with double garage that is cheaper than a 2 bedroom villa/townhouse with a single garage or carport, or, the same as a granny flat in someone's backyard with no garage. So I'm kind of stuck. If I move into a 1bd or 2bd I'd be paying ~30-40% more, only I'd have no spare room to rent out to lower the cost and would have to sit quietly fearing eviction.

      Now I can see people will say, "So whaddaya complaining about." 1. I'm not. Why are they complaining about me not complaining? ;-D 2. Just because something is below market rent doesn't mean it's reasonable or cheap. (After paying rent I have $200 a week left for everything else.)

      The summarized story is this… I want to buy or build a motorhome and travel. And I see people begging to be considered for a home. I thought if they moved in, I get more $$$ to make that happen sooner, and when I leave they get to stay on at the lower-than-market rent (because they're now on my lease).

      Rather than me paying full rent, taking longer to get the motorhome, the REA choosing who gets to move into a vacant home, thus charging them at least 30% more for full market rent.

      I'm trying to help myself, and someone else, at the same time.

      • So I wouldn't be able to do my wood/metal work anyway, plus no piano. Not fair to them, not fair to me to sit quietly so I don't get evicted. Where I am now I have been grinding metal at 2AM and no-one says nuthin'.

        How will your new tenants feel about all of this? If you're concerned about neighbours not liking the noise I'm pretty sure someone in the same house as you really won't like it.

  • +1
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