Hi,
I am looking to get a new car with budget around 50-60k.
My wife and I are starting a family in 1-2 years, and will need a car to last at least 10 years.
Not interested in Hybrid, and not stressed with petrol as I have a fuel card.
after did my research, i am down to these 2 cars:
Toyota Rav4 Edge Petrol AWD 2.5L
Kia Sportage AWD Petrol GT-Line 1.6L Turbo
which one is better?
Thanks in advance!
Which one fits the pram you are buying?
Crikey, how big are prams that won’t fit in a RAV4?
Self driven, 54V, Bluetooth remote control, four cup holder, 7.2.2 surround sound, 32inch screen prams are not small
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Ditch the car and drive the pram around.
You'll enjoy the KIA better. But you'll appreciate the Rav4 more.
Kia is better value new but shittier Stealerships!
I want to say sportage but not a fan of the 1.6L
Both of those engines have been around for a while now and have been placed in all kinds of cars. The 2.5 Toyo would prob last longer (with regular oil changes) due to less complicated set-up.
There’s no replacement for displacement
OH it rhymes so it must be true.
Wanted to click Kia, then saw the 1.6L
interesting choice in the AWD, always wondered why people pay the extra for AWD unless they need the extra capacity for towing
Not like you would take a rav4 or a sportage anywhere near off road other than a gravel / dirt road every other normie uses
Agreed, waste of weight and money.
People constantly take their AWDs to Stockton Beach thinking they're off-road capable and nearly instantly get stuck in the sand within a few metres. Always surprised on what went wrong…
It's not a proper trip if you haven't helped tow out 2-3 cars each time.
AWD = better traction and stability in challenging road conditions (wet/slippery).
Nothing to do with off roading. Don't think ppl buy Yaris gt or Subaru WRX for tow or off roading.
I doubt most people who buy AWD know you get better traction and stability
That is why people buy AWD…
I doubt most people who buy AWD ever actually put the vehicle in a situation where it’s essential, let alone drive it hard enough for the AWD feature to be used on a regular road.
And before ‘my AWD SaVed MaH lIfE!’ You shouldn’t be driving hard enough to need AWD. If it’s raining, don’t drive like a douche and you won’t need it.
@Euphemistic: I don't own a AWD but if I'm getting a Rav4, I would go for AWD too, you already spending $50k, why not spend lil more and get the best, its like $3k more for some models, ppl pay that much for paint protection 😉
@boomramada: The realistic advantage it has is resale value because we’re all suckers for marketing.
@TiredKitty78: Visit the website and download the spec, you will see the difference. Plus the model that OP chooesed comes with bigger engine and there is no equivalent 2WD verson for that model.
@Euphemistic: You really do fit your user name don't you.
I have 2 vehicles with AWD, one front bias and the other rear bias and yes, each of them have saved my arse before in different ways and it's also not from driving like a dick.
The extra traction is absolutely invaluable when you need it, just to have an extra drive wheel available also helps the stability of the vehicle on the poor surfaces. For somebody that needs to drive on unsealed roads often, it's often worth every cent having AWD especially when it comes to the unpredictability of these types of roads.
Even just to have the ability to do some light off-roading is a boon.
I get what you're saying that majority of people, the one's who'd never travel further than 5km from any city centre with well made roads will rarely ever benefit from AWD but on the flipside, if AWD saved them, recovered them or got them out of a situation just that one time, even if they didn't realise it, what price do you put on that?
@ConsumerAffairs: I get it. I had a Subaru forester and it was awesome for hammering out of roundabouts in the wet, but at sensible speeds was just the same as all he front or rear wheel drives I’ve driven other than utes.
Did it ever save me? I don’t think so, but it did allow me to go a lot faster in the wet. Not sure that was a good thing, if you’re goi mg faster when you find the limit of traction it’s a lot worse for you.
“What price do you put on safety”. I’d argue that modern traction control and stability control negate a lot of need for AWD (yes, except if you drive snow or gravel A LOT)
As for light off roading, a falcon will go a lot further than people think.
Fact remains the vast majority of these AWD vehicles will never actually NEED AWD.
@ConsumerAffairs: Obviously the extra grip is for acceleration only. Cars all have AWD brakes.
2WD's do slip on hard acceleration from still, especially in the wet. I have a Pathfinder 2WD and it slips a lot on take off but always remains stable. The AWD version has a transfer box, electronics, driveshaft and extra diff to maintain. Quite a bit more weight. A 2WD is also simple if it needs to be towed, they just lift the front wheels off the ground and off they go. I also have a Subaru so will always use this if I'm going off road obviously.
I went AWD for that exact reason. It's like airbags, I want a car that has it but hope I don't get into a situation that I'll need it.
might make a difference in spirited driving or in older vehicles, but it's really not worth it if that's your only point of difference. an 1800kg barge is going to handle and accelerate like an 1800kg barge regardless of how many wheels it's driving.
Yes exactly why I want AWD. I am currently driving 2wd Honda HRV, in wet condition, going slowly on a roundabout, almost got into accident…
You might just need better tyres mate.
@Munki: I just changed my tyre like 6 months ago :)
And I bought a Pirelli P7, not chinese brand stuff.
Pirelli P7, not chinese brand stuff
It seems Pirelli is almost half Chinese owned actually, if one adds up the percentages on the right hand side of the Wikipedia article under 'Owners'.
Some other recent articles of possible relevance/interest:
https://www.voanews.com/a/italy-reviewing-pirelli-ownership-…
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/italy-limits-chinas-in…
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65947050
I am currently driving 2wd Honda HRV, in wet condition, going slowly on a roundabout, almost got into accident…
I don't get how AWD help with the above situation.
AWD does not increase grip when stopping your car
Are you saying you going too slow and almost got into accident because you can't accelerate fast enough ?
With RAV4 in particular, Edge gives it the 2.5L engine, all the 2wd petrol options are 2.0L. Difference is noticeable
You should work in the car industry!
better grip / control when yummie mummie reacts late as distracted by brood on back seat.
yummie mummie needs AWD so she can park on the grass at sports day…….or so the salesman told her
Mummy needs prado Kakadu, minimum.
Or when yummie mummie has her head in your lap and you get distracted
AWD usually just comes with the bigger engines/leather trim models.
I wish I’d gone AWD on my Cx-5.
I drive on short patches of unsealed roads every weekend. I don't do hardcore 4wd but the additional traction of an AWD on light unsealed roads is definitely better than the 2wd sedan I drive there most of the time.
Most AWD are only 2WD most of the time.
AWD only engages all wheel reactively after wheel spin and some manufacturer engage proactively when it detects sudden acceleration.
I heard that the rate of AWD engagement is pretty minuscule ( ie less than 0.1% )
I doubt that AWD system in your car contributes to a "better feeling" beyond psychological.
(Unless you accelerate like bank robbers, drive on extremely slippy surfaces or very steep hills where your wheel keep spinning)
Wouldn't you know it but driving on pea gravel you do get quite a bit of wheel spin.
I still drive a sedan, by the way, but would prefer having an AWD (or 4wd) during those times (1x or 2x a week).
Yeah I agree. Have owned this category of car for 8 years. Never seen AWD light up ever. That is even on boat ramps. The only AWD I’d say is worth it would be the subies.
Much better for trips to the Snow
Kia Sportage 2008 2.7L AWD
Bridle Track near Hills End
Sunny Corner Forests Tracks
Vulcan State Forest
Hargraves Tracks
…..
Not much "other normie" drivers there
Toyota 8.1 secs Vs Kia 8.5 sec
Toyota
8.1s to 100?
Definitely a key consideration for a family SUV.
which one is better?
Why else would you buy these shopping trolleys
RIP my 10.6 seconds.
Bruh you're complaining about 10.6, that's too fast
0-100, not 1/4 mile.
If it was quarter mile I wouldn’t be looking at an upgrade, lol.
Which one has the lesser waiting time?
How long did you wait for your Corolla again? I’ve forgotten.
hahahahaha
If you have the keys the cars will wait at long as you want where ever you left it
Kia.
But I can wait for 6-12 months
More luxuries in the Kia Sportage than the Toyota Rav4
which depreciates more? Toyota probably appreciates at the moment….
Doesn’t matter. Just pick the one you like better for whatever reason. Drive em. Sit in em - including the back seats. Then buy one.
The 1.6L turbo on the KIA Sportage is kinda rubbish. Better than the base 2L atmo but if I were to choose the powertrain I'd go with the Diesel. Test driven all 3. For such a large car those powertrains are fairly underpowered, now the Diesel would be my pick if aiming for a Sportage.
Diesel is good on bottom end, dead over 100
Diesel is no good unless you regularly take it on the highway.
If I drive about 30 mins each way to work with 80kmh speed limit, is that enough?
Thank you.
I will consider it.
Already test drive the Diesel and it was great.
Haven’t try petrol..
I have the last version - QL AWD Diesel. just love it apart from some of the hard plastics in the interior!, recently had a taxi ride in the RAV4 and ….hard plastics!! interior.
Just buy what you like, but go for diesel, unless you plan to have lots of short city trips.
If you want a car to last 10 years with zero hassle, you get the car with a naturally aspirated engine.
So get the Rav 4.
10 years is nothing. It's around 15 or 20 years that turbos may give you trouble.
Do you need to change over right now? One to two years to go assuming minimal time to conception.
If they order the RAV4 now, it'll probably be ready for delivery by the time they're ready to deliver the baby
These wait times are ridiculous. The 2025 model will be released by then!
7 year warranty with the Kia
edit……wow still only 5years, geeeezz toyota cmon boi
https://www.toyota.com.au/owners/warranty
2 extra years of engine protection
Stick to your annual service schedule, and we’ll extend your engine and driveline warranty from five to seven years, so you can drive stress-free for longer. Conditions apply.
Buy the Edge if you want, but the RAV line really is set up for hybrid now. A few things to consider… the battery sits under the back seat and lowers the centre of gravity of the vehicle compared with other SUVs. It will actually drift instead of roll as a result. The 2WD hybrid has two engines (ICE and electric), the AWD hybrid has three engines (one electric for each axle). When you put your foot down hard all three work at once which is a lot of torque and power. I’m not really fussed on green credentials and efficiency, it’s more a question of whether buying the Edge is really buying a crippled hybrid platform.
Sportage GT AWD Turbo Diesel > Turbo petrol. The transmission on the Diesel is a standard torque converter auto and supposedly quite smooth. The DCT on the 1.6T is jerky at lower speeds, and really it was designed for the Kia Cerato GT car, which is a few hundred KGs lighter. SX+ Sportage Diesel is the pick of the lot generally speaking if you want to save a few bucks (and don't care about a sunroof, and a few other things)
I was going to point out the same thing.
I just (finally) collected my gtline petrol and not finding the reported issues at all as yet, but admittedly only two weeks in. I respect the diesel is a better buy but the petrol really is still a pleasure to drive and not lacking at all.
Maybe the software has improved since the early reviews.
Apparently the cerato Gt has the same comments. But some people will say it's smooth as butter with the dct.. Maybe it's down to specific parts (where they were built or sourced) or tolerances?
Yeah could be - some people seem to have some real problems with it. It might suit some driving styles more than others too.
I have a cerato gt. The dct is definitely not as smooth or responsive at low revs / slow driving compared to an auto. My partners Corolla is much smoother in that regard.
When the gt is cold it’ll unnecessarily hunt between first and second gear and slip the clutch too much. If you drive with it in eco or smart mode it can get confused between those gears when you ease on the accelerator then suddenly bring it to say the middle of the accelerators travel. it. Unpredictable and dangerous if you’re not aware of its behaviour.
If you drive it with purpose (hard acceleration), it’s a fantastic gearbox (and engine and handling). But yeah it’s not a good commuter.
Had a new Kia Cerato 2015, mainly bought for the 7 year warranty and so many problems. 3x head unit replacements, screen would just go black. Total engine failure, got a new engine put in under warranty which took months. Front headlight bulbs kept blowing out and needed to be replaced. Antenna came off in its 6th year, they said someone pulled it off but it's always housed in a garage.
Traded it last year before the warranty ended to a Toyota Corolla Hybrid. No problems yet but it's still very new. Would never touch Kia again if you value your time.
I had a Cerato with 240k kms on it, no problems. I've got a Kia Soul with a 100k on it, no problems.
If you want your new car to last 10 years, definitely stay away from the DCT. There are horror stories emerging on the Kia forums about early failures. It's another VW DCT disaster just waiting to happen. The 1.6 Turbo also requires 10,000 km servicing which is telling you that it has a much harder life and needs to be looked after.
Yeah I had a Sorento diesel 8 speed recently for a week and was very unimpressed with the Dct in that for around town driving. Would take a torque converter any day over the DCT offering in a suburban runaround. Have had no problems at all with the 6 speed torque converter over 10 years of service
Save some cash and buy a used Kia 2019 Sorento GT-Line instead. Mine is great, but this one looks even better! https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2019-kia-sorento-gt…
interesting listing, the number plates are blurred on photos yet clearly readable on the video :)
cx 9 will give you more space if you are on the rounder looking car?
Assume with the budget that you're thinking new - We went for a RAV4 and it's nice but check the wait time as we had our RAV4 arrive after 2.5 years (Arrived in July this year)
Yeah we've been waiting 18 months with no end in sight.
Check out the Suburu Outback in that price range. Bigger, no lead time and lots of the latest features.
Whatever model you choose. Make sure it has wireless Android auto/ carplay.
Outback ftw. I don’t understand the obsession with SUV’s
Has the Infotainment screen bugged you yet?
Would go the Toyota in this scenario for appliance motoring. 2wd is fine. You're not pushing a RAV4 for performance. If you are.. Honda CRV but likely out of price range or unavailable.
Consider second hand Lexus in the range, more exxy services and price to fill based off 95/98 RON but sure to make the day care drop offs luxury.
I tested a lot of cars including Mazda, Subaru, VW etc and my final 2 were the KIA or RAV4 like you.
I eventually got an RAV4 hybrid, with no regrets after 30,000 km.
As I ordered the XSE soon after announced and the wait was 2 months.
That said I was offered a GXL in Red from a dealer earlier.
I'd say Toyota if you could actually get one. Guarantee there's an 18 month wait time.
Are you leasing or something? I'm sure a secondhand car plus 30k+ extra in the bank would be a more comfortable start for a family? Toyota has my vote otherwise.
I'd pick the Sportage for the better interior and warranty but not with this engine. I own the 1.6T with a DCT in an i30 PD and it's fine for the hatchback segment but can't imagine it in a larger SUV. A little jerky at crawling speeds in 1st and second gear. Haven't had any issues whatsoever in terms of reliability, missus also has a 2019 atmo Cerato and it's also been very reliable.
Ozb likes Toyota, no brainier but which one you like?