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[Pre Order] Sony Pulse Elite Wireless Headset $239.95, Sony PULSE Explore Wireless Earbuds $329.95 Delivered @ Amazon AU

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Utilising planar magnetic drivers - from Audeze after a recent acquisition - this headset represents a step forward for audio quality at the price point, and by a recognised gaming brand, potentially offering most of the quality of the Audeze Maxwell for less than half the price, almost half the weight, and none of the fashion sense.

Still no clear information on what bluetooth codecs are supported, but expect at least LC3, AAC & SBC, with potential for LC3Plus and LDAC. Comes with a USB dongle for low-latency wireless PC and console use, and works via Playstation Link with the devices that support the tech. Audeze have worked hard on tuning their headphones lately and should have offered Sony/Playstation plenty of knowledge and advice, but it's unclear what the default tonal balance will be, and what EQ/sound profile options you'll have built-in.

Pre-order and release info came up overnight, along with pre-order availability for the Playstation Pulse Explore TWS IEMs. Available broadly at many retailers - so expect further deals, or to stack with sales, gift cards and cashbacks as they present - but Amazon offer a pre-order guarantee to grant you the lowest price they offer during that period.

This item will be released on February 21, 2024.

PlayStation Pulse Explore TWS Wireless/Bluetooth Earphones $329.95

Utilising planar magnetic drivers - from Audeze after a recent acquisition - this earphone/headset likely represents a step forward for audio quality at the price point, especially given Audeze's previous planar IEM offerings have tended be in the $2000+ range.

Still no clear information on what bluetooth codecs are supported, but expect at least LC3, AAC & SBC, with potential for LC3Plus and LDAC. Also comes with Playstation Link dongle for PS5/Mac/PC. Same potential caveats about tuning and EQ/profile as the Elite.

High quality reviews should hopefully appear in December, and for non-gaming users competition may be fierce alongside Creative Labs' new offering and a slew of unannounced TWS IEMs using planar, xMEMs, and other high-fidelity driver implementations.

This item will be released on December 6, 2023.

Enjoy!

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  • Grey 13 on 10/11/2023 - 15:18
    +9

    Call me uneducated but isn't this RRP? Where's the deal in this?

      • Grey 13 on 10/11/2023 - 15:26
        +11

        Yeah nah I wouldn't trust those buzzwords till I see some actual reviews and tests anyway. The old Pulse headset also got lots of buzzwords and then went on sale for like $50 off the RRP quite often. Granted they are not at the same ballpark but definitely can go on sale for lower. So to me this is not a deal plain and simple.

        Also if the earcups are anything like the Pulse it's gonna be uncomfortable for long gaming sessions. Really wished they would just do the normal adjusting slider rather than that clunky soft headband thingy.

        • stealth on 10/11/2023 - 15:31

          Just curious what you consider to be the buzzwords. Cause its all just descriptors for the tech.

          • Grey 13 on 10/11/2023 - 15:44
            +5

            @stealth:

            this headset represents a step forward for audio quality at the price point, and by a recognised gaming brand, potentially offering most of the quality of the Audeze Maxwell for less than half the price, almost half the weight, and none of the fashion sense.

            We don't know how much techs from Audeze Maxwell headsets will be implemented into this new Sony headset just yet but more EQ options would certainly be nice.

            Still no clear information on what bluetooth codecs are supported(playstation.com), but expect at least LC3, AAC & SBC, with potential for LC3Plus and LDAC. Comes with a USB dongle for low-latency wireless PC and console use, and works via Playstation Link with the devices that support the tech

            Again that is a lot of guess works for now. USB dongles for low-lantency wireless has existed for at least 15 years now. Playstation Link has not yet been implemented yet and will depend on your internet quality which again, not really a technical marvel but more like marketing words to me. Sony with their history of abandoning their products and technologies has not impressed me that much and this has not yet proved to be the best gaming headsets to beat everyone in that pricepoint either so I'll hold my judgements till previews come up.

            Also FOMO is a bitch. Buying into it is not the way Ozbargainers should go about their businesses. If they run OOS so be it, it's not our fault that Sony limited their first batch productions.

              • Grey 13 on 10/11/2023 - 15:50
                +8

                @jasswolf: And you are promoting for RRP, FOMO and premature preorder on a bargaining website. I see we are not cutting from the same clothes so adieu my impatient friend.

                • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 16:05
                  -6

                  @Grey 13: I am promoting knowledge, it's clearly marked as a pre-order in the deal…

                  When it comes having sufficient technical knowledge, all pre-orders are pre-mature until maybe a week before release, and only if you know where to source it. You clearly don't, and you're diving in here with reddit-level gamer bro knowledge to take the lowest form of the argument. Kudos to you, my dense acquaintance.

  • cd-v on 10/11/2023 - 15:24
    +2

    Thanks OP for posting, even if it's RRP. Helps those who wanted to do a riskless Amazon pre-order in case this sells out.

    RRP people would have missed out on PS5s early on.

    • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 15:25

      As well as that, in terms of audio quality It's almost certainly better than every other gaming headset up until the Audeze Maxwell. This is a slam dunk.

  • Axelstrife on 10/11/2023 - 15:28
    +15

    "potentially offering most of the quality of the Audeze Maxwell for less than half the price"

    So you have no idea if these are good and no one can since there is currently no reviews.

    • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 15:31
      -1

      Quality in this case refers to features, audio, and comfort. From an audio quality perspective we have the Audeze Mobius, the HyperX Cloud Orbit, the Audeze Penrose, and the Audeze Maxwell as a guideline.

      Do you think any of those are poor? Can you prove to me this is definitively going to be a poor offering at the price point, or even an average one? Remove the neg.

      • Axelstrife on 10/11/2023 - 15:37
        +11

        You're the poster. you prove that this deal represents signficant value, potentiality isnt proof of value.

        • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 15:39
          -7

          I did, in my post. This is an Audeze product mass-manufactured using Playstation headbands and their design language for the enclosure. It's using Audeze drivers in an environment that probably lowers engineering tolerances a smidge.

          I don't expect distortion characteristics to be audibly worse, and for it to walk all over the current competition. You're gripping onto one word in an entire post for dear life.

          Unless there's cause for a product recall, If this sucks at launch, it will be fixed in a firmware update.

          • Axelstrife on 10/11/2023 - 16:15
            +3

            @jasswolf: You're using potentials as your reasoning that this is a good product when there is absolutely zero proof that this headset will be good, This headset isnt Maxwell.

            ALWAYS wait for reviews!

            • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 16:19
              -1

              @Axelstrife: Audeze wouldn't be caught dead near it if it didn't approach their quality standards.

              I'm personally waiting for reviews, and simply managed to fail to include that in my post… so are you negging me for not stating the bleedingly obvious?

              Do you want me to hold your hand tighter and pat your head more next time?

              • Axelstrife on 10/11/2023 - 16:31
                +3

                @jasswolf: Man you are clueless.

                • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 16:39
                  -2

                  @Axelstrife: The irony of this post… and I'm just remembering you were the blockhead arguing with me about sound quality while pretending you weren't quoting that dude who harasses other audio reviewers constantly. Enjoy the block!

                  • Axelstrife on 10/11/2023 - 16:54
                    +2

                    @jasswolf: You know i can check my history right? no such thing happened between me and you.

                    Good old block when you know you're wrong but too ignorant to admit it.

                    • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 17:22
                      -2

                      @Axelstrife: Went back and looked, had the wrong poster, apologies. Block seems to not be working either.

                      I stand by my points, I've provided reasonable information, I stated this was a pre-order, and I've stated here how the enclosure and electronics can't possibly be stuffed up enough to make this a bad product.

                      This is going to sit somewhere between the Penrose and the Maxwell for audio quality, while being sold at a loss (or cost). It's designed to get people excited about the Playstation ecosystem, particularly the Portal.

                      Please don't pile on with the dude who thinks wireless headsets rely on internet connection stability, or the other dude who is arguing with me about the Pulse Explore not being a TWS IEM, thanks.

      • Benno123 on 10/11/2023 - 15:39
        +5

        Posting something for RRP, for pre-order, that we don't even actually know is any good or not, based on comparing it to things that it might be similar to, isn't a deal…

        • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 15:40
          -4

          My dude, read my post, read the posting guidelines, and stop being obtuse.

    • Grey 13 on 10/11/2023 - 15:46
      +4

      That's exactly what I said up there as well. I get it: new techs from a new acquisition is exciting and all but this is not PCGaming. We wait till reviews come out, experience it for ourselves and then buy it when the price goes down a bit. Not posting at RRP and then trying to create FOMO like this.

      • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 16:20
        -2

        I look forward to your review, where you'll scream at your internet provider when they lose connection…

    • nuggetbro on 10/11/2023 - 15:40
      +1

      Do we know what the non-preorder price will be?

      I LOVE audio gadgets, but these are pretty expensive without knowing a lot about them.

      Sure a planar would be great BUT it has to be turned and power correctly to be enjoyable.

      Also, it would be good if they had good mics as well.

      • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 15:53

        Audeze products tend to hold their price for a long time, due to the popularity and value offered. The Maxwell has actually gone up in price due to exchange rates.

        It's likely this is being sold at a loss. Audeze's IEM tuning has historically been poor, but there's been a big advancement from other planar IEM designers, as well an in-house effort by Audeze to tonally balance their headphone products, which translates to IEM design as well.

        They would have handed all this info over to Sony/Playstation, who would have then designed an enclosure reasonably to specification.

    • SpaceNinja on 10/11/2023 - 15:49

      A bit surprised that Sony made TWS earphones for PS5.

      • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 15:54

        It's designed to pair with the Playstation Portal, while still being useful on the go.

  • kungfuman on 10/11/2023 - 15:33

    so is the mic they added worth the extra 100 bucks?

    • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 15:34

      The mic should have much better noise cancelling, but the upgrade is the speaker drivers inside the headphone, and it should be massive.

  • Dienk on 10/11/2023 - 15:41

    Is it better than the inzone H7?

    • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 15:44
      +1

      It's unreleased, but the technology in use is significantly better.

  • [Deactivated] on 10/11/2023 - 15:48
    +4

    Sorry, OP but I'm with the rest of the neg mob, this is OzBargain, not OzRRP. We've seen enough of this with the PS5 console.

      • [Deactivated] on 10/11/2023 - 15:52
        +7

        It says you can't neg if the deal isn't the cheapest available. Well, this is all that's available and it's RRP lol.

        • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 16:02
          -1

          You realise that means it's the cheapest, right?

          • [Deactivated] on 10/11/2023 - 16:06
            +2

            @jasswolf: Deal A - $500 (RRP $1000)
            Deal B - $750 (RRP $1000)
            You can't neg Deal B because it's not the cheapest available.

            • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 16:12
              -1

              @[Deactivated]: Audeze Maxwell, Audeze Penrose, Audeze Mobius, HyperX Cloud Orbit.

              Did you even read my post?

              Deal A - $500 (RRP $1000)
              Deal B - $750 (RRP $1000)
              You can't neg Deal B because it's not the cheapest available.

              You can, if a cheaper deal has already been posted, or if the deal is nowhere near previously available value without sound cause.

        • Smigit on 10/11/2023 - 19:30

          They’re cheaper at JB for pickup by $1, so there’s also that.

          • [Deactivated] on 11/11/2023 - 20:03
            -1

            @Smigit: But it's not posted on OzBargain thus making it irrelevant.

  • alvian on 10/11/2023 - 16:04
    +1

    Wireless earbuds with unknown Bluetooth codecs are IEMs now?

    • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 16:09
      +1

      Anything you put inside your ear is an earphone. Anything you put on that couples with the entire ear (on-ear) or around your ear (over-ear) is a headphone. Anything you put near your ear by means of a headband without coupling is an ear speaker.

      Some earphones seal fully inside the ear canal, and are known as in-ear monitors.

      Some earphones partially seal inside the ear canal and are known as hybrid earphones.

      Some earphones sit atop the ear canal and are called earbuds.

      Some earphones utilise wireless technology to remove some (wireless/bluetooth) or all (TWS wireless/bluetooth) of the cabling requirements for each earpiece.

      Some people who work in marketing empty half their brain out after running market testing and call everything headphones and earbuds. Don't be like markeing people, be better!

      • alvian on 10/11/2023 - 16:24
        +5

        Your opinion is not shared by others, some examples below. Your labelling of this pair of earphones as IEMs is misleading.

        What Is an In-Ear Monitor?

        There's a good chance you have some kind of audio listening device on your ears right now. It might be a pair of wireless earbuds, like Airpods, or a hefty, wired pair of headphones. In-ear monitors are a different kind of audio device altogether. They're mainly intended for professional use. When it comes to fit, they're somewhere between the tight seal of headphones and the low profile of earbuds.

        IEM

        In-ear monitors, or simply IEMs or in-ears, are devices used by musicians, audio engineers and audiophiles to listen to music or to hear a personal mix of vocals and stage instrumentation for live performance or recording studio mixing. They are also used by television presenters to receive vocal instructions, information and breaking news announcements from a producer that only the presenter hears. They are often custom-fitted to an individual's ears to provide comfort and a high level of noise reduction from ambient surroundings. Their origins as a tool in live music performance can be traced back to the mid-1980s.

        What are IEMs and how are they different from Earphones?

        In ear monitors were designed by professional musicians and mix engineers for artists, singers and musicians to use on stage. When you're performing on stage as a musician you need to be able to listen to yourself, your singing, your guitar playing, your drumming for you to know how you sound with the entire band and traditionally how you would do this on stage is to use a pair of monitor speakers…

        at some point of time people started asking themselves that hey is there a better way of listening to yourself on stage than having really really loud speakers trying to cut through the sound of the crowd. For you to be able to hear yourself an in ear monitor was born. In ear monitor allow you to listen to your own singing, your own playing on stage by blocking out the sound of the crowd at relatively controlled of volumes. Now with in ear monitors the emphasis is on quality you want to be able to listen to each and every instrument with perfect accuracy and detail…

        Today you'll find that we use the word in ear monitor to describe a lot of different high-end, high quality earphones which are available out there today and the principle is still the same.

        What are in-ear monitors?

        Because the frequency responses of in-ear monitors tend towards the “balanced” end of things (read: neither bass, mids, nor treble emphasized over one another), music should sound fairly “clear” in contrast to more bass-heavy consumer earbuds.

        — we don't know the FR of this pair of Sony, but somehow you knew they are IEM.

        • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 16:38

          https://www.howtogeek.com/670518/what-are-in-ear-monitors-an…

          This is written by someone who is partially referring to stage monitors, without seemingly understanding any of these products.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-ear_monitor

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earbuds

          https://www.headphonezone.in/blogs/audiophile-101/what-are-i…

          IEMs are earphones.

          Look at the design of the earpiece and compare it to what you're defining as an IEM… how are they different? Now go compare the Apple Airpods to the Airpods Pro, and note how they are different from each other. Then comapre the Galaxy Buds Live and the Galaxy Buds/Buds Pro.

          TWS = true wireless stereo, the generic name for the technology that allows you to wireless decouple two speakers (usually earpieces).

          If it seals fully in your ear canal, it is a TWS IEM, regardless of what a bunch of hack journalists and marketing teams want to call it. Please stop wasting both of our time with the kind of google fu I expect from a drunk child.

          • alvian on 10/11/2023 - 16:42
            +1

            @jasswolf:

            IEMs are earphones.

            As are all stupid people are humans but not all humans are stupid.

            Not all earphones are IEMs. You have not demonstrated how this pair of Sony earbuds are IEMs. Nowhere on Amazon's product page was IEMs mentioned. You just made it up.

            • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 16:45

              @alvian: Click the wikipedia article I've linked. IEMs (aka canalphones) seal inside the ear canal to better couple bass response compared to other earphone designs.

              This product has silicon eartips, designed for a full seal in the ear canal. It's an IEM, I don't care what the marketing info reads because I understand the terminology and purpose of the underlying technology.

              Please stop bothering me because you refuse to absorb what's being said to you.

              • alvian on 10/11/2023 - 16:47
                +2

                @jasswolf: Stop misrepresenting the product.

                • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 17:25

                  @alvian: If you believe I'm genuinely doing that, sue me. Good luck!

                  • alvian on 10/11/2023 - 17:25
                    +3

                    @jasswolf:

                    Please stop bothering me

                    But it is okay for you to bother me?

                    • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 17:26

                      @alvian: I've asked you to stop repeatedly, you've asked once. I'll respect it.

  • joshk1902 on 10/11/2023 - 16:13

    Can you Mute with the controller button yet? Seems so silly you cant do that with sony branded headsets but you can with others.

    • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 16:14

      I've linked the product page, I can't really help you any more than that.

      • joshk1902 on 10/11/2023 - 16:28

        Doesnt seem to be listed anywhere. I will just wait because its a deal breaker for me.

        • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 16:29

          Most people shouldn't be pre-ordering this, was just compiling info and alerting Playstation users in particular.

          Will be a big jump in audio quality for most PS5 users.

  • Twisty on 10/11/2023 - 16:50

    Pulse Explorer Earbuds Vs Inzone Earbuds

    What ones are better when using on a PS5

    • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 17:48

      Despite the dynamic driver tech in the Inzone being reasonably high quality, the Pulse Explore should straight up be better thanks to the quality of the planar driver in use.

      The Explore doesn't have ANC, but you generally don't need that with an IEM due to the passive noise cancellation of the technology, and the limited impact of the bass cancellation from the form factor.

      Both come with a wireless dongle, but the Inzone dongle is USB-C, which might impact your ability to use it across multiple devices.

      • Twisty on 10/11/2023 - 18:31

        Both don’t work with iPhone Bluetooth correct?

        • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 19:46

          There's no confirmation on what bluetooth codec the Pulse Explore support, but it would be stunning if AAC isn't supported.

          I'd suggest a big part of why the Audeze the collaboration exists and Sony didn't try to sell the InZone Buds as something like the WF-1000XM6 is they fumbled the chip design to deliver wider support than LC3 low latency, so now it's a niche gaming product to return some revenue from the failed investment.

          • Twisty on 10/11/2023 - 20:02

            @jasswolf: Thanks
            I’m still on the fence on what earbud to get hahah

            • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 20:03

              @Twisty: If this deal post is any guide, everyone's on the fence about the Pulse Explore and has no time for the InZone, so wait for reviews in 4 weeks and see what's what.

              I'd recommend Crinacle and the Headphone Show on YouTube to get a much more capable overview of how they'll perform.

              • Twisty on 10/11/2023 - 20:06

                @jasswolf: Ok thanks
                I have the inzone buds pre ordered but yer if the explorer pulse are a lot better then I’ll go them ever b tho they are more $$

      • jaejae69 on 10/11/2023 - 20:16
        +1

        Probably the biggest BS you've said in this entire thread (and you've set the bar very high for yourself on that one). Can you show a single source stating what the driver inside the Explore actually is? Any technical specifications? Any actual images or tear downs? This is complete conjecture on your part while you peddle some agenda with shit like "the quality of the planar driver in use."

        • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 20:21

          https://www.playstation.com/en-au/accessories/pulse-explore-…

          Planar Magnetic drivers

          Both of these products were announced on August 23rd in the US, with the Audeze acquisition being announced the same day. Audeze only make planar drivers bar one electrostat headphone, while Sony do not make them.

          But sure, you've discovered the truth behind my massive agenda of pointing out that we're finally starting to get a generational leap in audio that's been in the offing since 2020.

          Audeze's older IEM designs were barely beyond prototypes that had strong technical performance, but awful tonal balance. Since then, the IEM market has completely crushed the expected price of such a device, with a similarly competitive planar IEM costing $180-$400 AUD.

          It's a reasonable thing to suggest that Playstation is taking the culmination of their recent DSP and tuning work to deliver an Audeze IEM in TWS form at cost to help sell more Playstation games, just like most hardware releases for consoles.

          • jaejae69 on 10/11/2023 - 21:01
            +1

            @jasswolf: I wasn't talking about the type of driver, I'm well aware of what Audeze is about. I'm talking about the specifications of the actual planar driver in the headphones. I'm asking why you're so confident that a completely unknown planar driver is going to be a "generational leap in audio" when there's absolutely no evidence to support this claim either true or false. It's not as if planar is just going to be better than dynamic by default just by virtue of the technology. Don't act like Hifiman have never made a bad headphone or that all well reviewed planars are just better than well reviewed dynamics. Hell, you even admit yourself that Audeze's track record with IEMs is less than stellar.

            What else other than an agenda to blindy push Audeze, would give you such confidence?

            • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 21:17

              @jaejae69: The Audeze Euclid was their last IEM release in 2021, and shrunk things down to an 18mm planar driver. Most planar IEMs sold affordably today are in the 12-16mm range, so it stands to reason the Euclid design principles may form the basis of what they've been developing, presumably with a slightly smaller driver.

              I'm fully aware dynamic vs planar is a question of implementation, though I'd note that HIFIMAN's issues largely stem from cheapening out the cost of housing and assembling the drivers (largely to the benefit of everyone given the price and after-sales support).

              Audeze's issues with IEMs and headphones has been tonal balance, but they directly addressed that on the headphone side of things starting with the MM-500 and the recent updates of the LCD-X and LCD-XC. They've also been working on DSP tech via their cheaper closed back implementations, and all of this readily translates into IEM development.

              Combine that with reverse engineering from multiple headphone and earphone designers on the same push, measurement data, knowledge sharing, and better subjective (read: complex physics interactions we cannot readily measure while playing complex audio) understanding and analysis within companies, and you have the recipe for a good quality product.

              Not sure why I'm being cross-examined so much by people who act like they can barely click a link. I'm calling it a day there.

  • [Deactivated] on 10/11/2023 - 21:55

    I'd personally take OP's posts with a grain of salt. The product has yet to be released and there is a ton of speculation.
    Since Sony has acquired Audeeze, it would be a conflict of interest to disrupt their other brand, just to allow Sony's range of gaming in ears or cans to flourish.

    KZ x HBB PR2 are Planar iem and very reasonably priced, issue is that they are no longer the product they used to be.

    Tuning issues

    As for the Elites, well you have the Edifier S3 with 70+ hours of usage. Nice cans, can be used wired, multipoint connectivity too, these are using Audeeze licensed tech and have been reviewed as a very competent pair of Planar wireless cans.

    Worth the asking RRP? I'd say no, but Edifier had them on sale for $299 which is a steal.
    They wont be useful for gaming unless you use them wired, caveat is, Sony is using their own 3D immersion software to gain benefits.

    There has been bold statements of how the newer Sony's will sound, yet no one has heard them yet.
    If Sony are offering the Elites @ RRP $239 AUD, I'd assume some corners have been drastically cut from the Audeze Maxwell $559 equivalents and the cheapest of $343 for the S3s.
    The S3s I own are good, not great. This is due to a comfort factor, and I have flexed the headband where it feels more comfortable on my head.
    This leads me to the Sony range of Pulse for over ear, I have read they're uncomfortable and they sport a plastic headband?
    So if Sony are using the same design, it wont matter how well these sound, if comfort doesn't work for people, it wont be a good thing at all.

    I run HD 6XX through SMSL HO100 using my MOTU 828ES' DACs for optical duties. It works, works well and was extremely cheap to put together.
    Comfort plus SQ is important, BUT if I can't wear something for 8 hours plus, it wont matter how well anything sounds.
    Fwiw, I don't game 8 hrs, it's other work I do.

    • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 21:56
      -1

      KZ x HBB PR2 are Planar iem and very reasonably priced, issue is that they are no longer the product they used to be.

      Standard KZ, the other issue is HBB is a foul excuse for a creator and shouldn't be financially supported while they remain that way.

      If Sony are offering the Elites @ RRP $239 AUD, I'd assume some corners have been drastically cut from the Audeze Maxwell $559 equivalents and the cheapest of $343 for the S3s.

      So like using cheaper housing and assembly plants that lower the engineering tolerance by 1%-2%? Wonder if there's any examples of that in the world that halve the price of a headphone.

      6XX

      💡

      • [Deactivated] on 10/11/2023 - 22:10

        So like using cheaper housing and assembly plants that lower the engineering tolerance by 1%-2%? Wonder if there's any examples of that in the world that halve the price of a headphone.

        Sennheiser manufacture both the Drop XX and the 50 variants, they already have a sell through customer Drop for an estimated order. These are like for like products.
        They're still being manufactured through the same channels, your example is a false equivalence, as are your bold statements of how well the newer Sony Planar will sound/perform when you have yet to hear/use either.

        • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 23:05
          -1

          Sennheiser have shifted their manufacturing hubs for various products multiple times. The 650 has been manufactured in Germany, Ireland, and Romania, and the 6XX has been manufactured in Ireland and Romania, so it's not false equivalence, it's called moving manufacturing sites and training a new workforce… twice.

          Even the HD800S is now being manufactured in Ireland!

          Audeze drivers were made in Orange County, California… they were always going to have to move to compete on price, but I don't think that's even happening here… I'd suggest the drivers are being shipped to a Playstation-related plant and punched out with a cheaper enclosure and parts… or are you backing that one of the world's largest electronics company with decades of experience in personal audio can't follow instructions?

          • [Deactivated] on 11/11/2023 - 00:56
            +1

            @jasswolf: Nothing you have posted so far makes any sense, it doesn't matter where Sennheiser manufacture, you falsely claim that shifting production means lower cost, this has nothing to do with the buy price of the XX because that has no Sennheiser badge.
            The 650s are twice the $ but you could buy the XX locally from A2A. My 20 year old 600s where made in Ireland, and your point?
            There is a reason Sennheiser do what they do and it probably relates to tax purposes more than anything.
            The whole point though is you're making claims when you haven't even used either product, you're making people think that just because a ear device uses a planar driver, that it will better an equivalent dynamic driver.
            Everything you have posted so far is all conjecture, speculation with nothing to back up other than what Sony themselves have released.

            • jasswolf on 11/11/2023 - 01:55
              -2

              @[Deactivated]: Yeah because labour, capital, logistics and tax savings don't get passed onto the consumer…

              This is clearly throwing you in a wild loop, I'm just going to leave you to it. Good luck in your learnings.

              • [Deactivated] on 11/11/2023 - 09:39
                +1

                @jasswolf: Nothing you posted makes any sense, how does 1 product ie the Drop sold for 1/2 the price yet the other 650 continue to be priced twice more @ retail?
                You clearly haven't understood anything.
                You made a false equivalence, then tried to wildly explain things you have zero proof of.
                Fact of the matter is you're talking up a product you have yet to use, and wonder why people are negging you?

                I guess it's down to that old saying of Good luck in your learnings

  • aja12 on 10/11/2023 - 22:08
    +2

    RRP, no reviews, no user feedback, release date is 3 months away.

    • [Deactivated] on 10/11/2023 - 22:12
      +3

      Just a lot of useless speculation.

    • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 23:06
      -2

      There's two products, and nothing about my deal post was suggesting to rush out and buy, simply to pay attention to the market place. I have been saying this for a long time in the comments, and you upvote me there.

      Did I upset your mate or something?

      • aja12 on 10/11/2023 - 23:23
        +2

        Did I upset your mate or something?

        Not sure how you’ve come to that conclusion based on my comment.

        nothing about my deal post was suggesting to rush out and buy, simply to pay attention to the market place.

        Which is entirely why the “deal” is getting negged, as it’s posted in the “bargain” section and not in the forums.

        • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 23:26
          -4

          Not sure how you’ve come to that conclusion based on my comment.

          Because it was terse.

          Which is entirely why the “deal” is getting negged, as it’s posted in the “bargain” section and not in the forums.

          It is a deal consideration though… there's only 2 planar headphones you can regularly buy below this price, and maybe 10 IEMs, all of them wired?

          Nobody's trying this crap on my Creative Labs post, you're just going gamer brain on me here and it's sad that it's a screaming match instead of a foot note.

          • aja12 on 10/11/2023 - 23:33
            +2

            @jasswolf: You’re being over sensitive and not liking the fact that people don’t agree with you on something.

            Nobody's trying this crap on my Creative Labs post, you're just going gamer brain on me here and it's sad that it's a screaming match instead of a foot note.

            Might be time for bed, mate. This is just ridiculous. This is Ozbargain. The bargains section has a voting system. It’s being utilised and people don’t agree with you on something. No need to resort to childish comments like this.

            Just to make you happy and show that I’m fair, I’ll neg your other post for an unreleased product at RRP.

            • jasswolf on 10/11/2023 - 23:48
              -2

              @aja12: I'll just respond in kind then.

  • someone12341 on 14/11/2023 - 20:49

    Some early impressions are coming up on Cnet and the Verge for the Pulse Explore which are looking positive. Being a planar wireless bud is exciting. Only downside is lack of noise cancellation.

    • jasswolf on 15/11/2023 - 00:15

      ANC implementation would require a different approach for planar drivers compared to dynamic, partly due to how you approach ramping the bass to provide that noise cancelling is different.

      The speed of the driver would likely provide a challenge too as the fidelity gap between that and what the mic array and ANC processing speeds are like might be too far apart with current tech.

      Expect an AI solution to fill that gap, but presumably the chips aren't fast enough just yet.

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