I'm sure this will create a debate about fresh vs frozen… Farmed vs wild caught… All I know is with inflation, fresh salmon is now a minimum of $42 at Woolworths, so this deal is less than half that price.
To my knowledge this Ocean Chef salmon hasn't been this price for over 14 months
Two options:
Salmon Portions Skin On
Salmon Portions Mediterranean Style
How is it the same? In the wild Salmon eat crustaceans and other animals, that is what gives it the red hue.
Farmed salmon is fed fish food, they are actually grey, but then fed the additive which turns them pink. The additive doesn't quite get it to the right colour, that is why farmed salmon is pink, while wild salmon is more red.
Yes this only proves the colour is different, but to me this also means the nutrition would be different too, wild sourced "ingredients" vs processed
I'm not sure how much we can gather from the color, since I've seen various shades of red/pink even in farmed salmon but the theory is correct.
Unfortunately whether land or sea, monoculture farming is here to stay even if it unhealthy for humans, animals, and the planet.
Why does whether the salmon gets the cartenoids from fish food or krill make any difference to the salmon itself?
It's not just the feed, it's the density of salmon populations, their excrement and the antibiotics and vaccines pumped into the farmed area to combat/protect the fish "assets" from this sewage. As a profit making venture, organisations find benefit in procuring cheap feed, which includes meats and byproducts that wild salmon never have access to. Think mad cow Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD).
Astaxanthin is astaxanthin. Whether it comes from a natural source like eating krill or just comes from food with it in it. It's the same and enters salmon in the same way - through food. So the process they absorb it is the same process.
There are so many varieties of salmon in the wild some - like King Salmon - can't process astaxanthin and their flesh is white - some are more or less pink based on their diets in the region they live or the variety of salmon they happen to be. This belief that wild salmon is pinker than farmed salmon is absolutely bunk.
The nutrition in wild and fresh salmon is typically very close. One might be higher or lower in minerals or fats but that's typically it. Unless salmon is you're entire diet it's probably not something worth worrying about just buy whatever you prefer or you can afford.
When you start digging into studies about quality of farmed fish it's easy to find 20 year old studies that show it's not of the best quality. The issue is that the industry took those studies on board and improved all its techniques. So now in 2023 good luck trying to find any ability to replicate a study to try to show that the quality of farmed fish is poor. Today in 2023 it's of similar standard in quality to the wild caught salmon. We eat farmed food. We eat farmed chicken and beef and lamb and pig and all sorts of farmed food. There's nothing wrong in eating a farmed fish just like there's nothing wrong in eating a farmed chicken. Processed foods for animals aren't awful unless they are substandard. When you cook yourself a steak you are now eating a processed food. Any process that takes raw food and changes it is a process. Processed foods alone aren't bad. There are good processed foods and there are bad processed foods.
Too much fax for ozbargain.
Its common sense that wild salmon has to fight for food. They literally live among the difficult life in the animal kingdom. No chance they are nutritionally superior to the fat (profanity) being fed 5 meals a day doing nothing.
@ripesashimi: Interestingly enough recent studies into farmed vs wild salmon found that there isn't a huge difference in variety with regards to nutrition. Both farmed and wild are reasonable choices. Again, unless you only eat Salmon as the single food source in your diet you probably don't have to worry about the nutritional differences between wild or farmed. Just eat what you can easily get, what you prefer and what you can afford. This whole debate about farmed fish being bad for you is junk. The methods today are reasonable and the industry has improved greatly since the early 2000s to a point where the quality and nutrition of farmed vs wild is so minute it's not worth thinking about.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S266615432…
@hairykewell: Have you read Flanagan's book? He, himself, doesn't dismiss that the nutritional values of both farmed and wild are similar - the book is about the impact of the industry on the environment not about the quality of the food. If you want to debate the issues of aquaculture and the environment that is something you're free to do in another conversation. This conversation is about whether wild or farmed salmon are remarkably nutritionally different.
Are you in the industry?
Sorry there's a massive difference between industrial processed foods and home cooking fark. You won't find phthalates in home cooked foods that haven't gone through an industrial processing plant (unless you cook on pfas/pfoa). And trusting a profit seeking business to do the right thing and not cut corners is a bit naive. Are you suggesting that caged and old non bioorganic farming produces the same quality meat and fish?
@bargainshooter: Why do I have to be in an industry? There's plenty of biochemists working in the field of nutrition that aren't in the aquaculture industry but are studying it. Thankfully I happen to be literate and can read studies conducted by such scientists and comprehend their findings and make decisions and form opinions based on that sort of data.
I've just read 10 studies in the last hour and there's nothing I can find published since 2015 that indicates that "there's a massive difference between industrial processed foods and home cooking fark."
A profit seeking business also sells you wild caught fish you know? When you buy something from them you trust them despite, I'm sure you know, that fish fraud is a massive deep problem in this industry with recent studies as of 2021 showing that fish fraud happens around 40% of the time. Fish fraud is absolutely the bigger issue in this area not farmed vs wild. And there's probably a good chance that 40% of the time you're believing that you're buying wild caught that you're probably buying farmed anyhow due to how prevalent fish fraud is.
What I'm saying is that the amount of nutritional difference for the typical person isn't a big deal that warrants people avoiding eating salmon here in Australia - which is an awesome food source - because it is almost entirely farmed here as it's not a natural species. I'd much rather people not live in ridiculous fear of farmed fish which is perfectly safe to eat and is a good food source for most people. That's my suggestion. Aquaculture has come a long way from where it was 20 years ago when people started to develop beliefs about that industry.
Farmed salmon is vastly different to wild-caught in multiple ways. It's ignorant to say otherwise, as the tiniest bit of research shows this.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S266615432…
The conclusion according to this research is that the differences are minute enough to not be something worth worrying about.
"The aim of this study was to demonstrate differences among salmon types, rather than simply comparing differences between wild vs. farmed. "
No testing of antibiotic or vaccine reservoirs. No comparison between wild and farmed same species. The conclusion was defined before the test started.
@bargainshooter: Cool here's a study showing that both wild and farmed salmon had near similar levels of antibiotics.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00489…
What's your concern about vaccines in these industries? Vaccines aren't something that can effect an end user - they create an immune response and that's all. And then the body that the vaccine was put in sheds the vaccine and only has the aftereffect of the immune response. Unless you're somehow putting the fish blood directly into your blood I don't know what you expect to be concerned about vaccines in food that you eat especially in fish. Any live vaccine given to them would die around when they died. And certainly once you cook the food you'll kill off any viruses. Don't eat fish raw unless it is sashimi grade from a reputable source. Otherwise don't worry about vaccines because it doesn't effect you - the end user.
@bargainshooter: I think you misunderstood what was meant by "demonstrate." If you read the study you would understand that the author meant demonstrate as "in give a practical exhibition and explanation of" but you have misunderstood it as "show." The author wanted to avoid a simply comparison and wanted to show a technical demonstration of the differences. The conclusion wasn't defined before the test started. You've completely misunderstood this entirely based on either your inability to read critically or avoid some bias that you might have.
This is a dumb comment and you should feel bad. Mods, please put a little dunce hat on this user's avatar.
Are these farmed vs wild caught?
I've found these frozen salmon fillets taste absolutely woeful. Ends up being to rubbery. Smashed up in a rice bowl is the only way to make it taste good
I've found these frozen salmon fillets taste absolutely woeful.
One of the reviews on the link agrees with you.
yeah, it takes a few tries but it seems like you've overcooked it, I made that mistake too, trying to cook it the same as the deli fillet. These are way more thin, i cook on medium heat skin side 2-3 mins then 1 min on other side.
That's what I came to say, they're a lot thinner than normal fillets and random shapes sometimes. They used to be the middle thick fillets but last couple of years they're just super thin. Still good value but be aware.
Yeah these are pretty woeful, the ones you get at Aldi are a bit better. Good for lazy afterwork dinners in the airfryer.
Another fan of the ALDI salmon. $23.99 a kg, regular price.
Likewise I found the Woolworths ones pretty average. No point saving a few dollars if you're gonna throw them out.
That's pretty good, although im lazy af to go in shop. When aldi does online delivery.. that will be a game changer.
I got one yesterday, that's all there was in the fridge.
Last time they were on special for $24 ish there were none, had to ask.
The fresh one is almost always from Tasmania, and that means farmed.
So is Frozen, I have not seen wild caught salmon in woolies in a very long time. Wild Caught would have to come from north america, salmon are not native to Australia
Yes, even frozen Atlantic salmon is probably farmed (since the packaging doesn't say anything about wild caught) but I find Atlantic salmon is much better than the farmed Tasmania salmon.
All Atlantic salmon is farmed. There is no wild atlantic salmon on the market.
Tasmania salmon is Atlantic salmon.
Gee there is a lot of ill-informed prejudice in this thread.
salmon are not native to Australia
wrong
Salmon are caught in all southern waters of Australia, particularly southern NSW and Eastern Victoria.
From Wikipedia: 'Salmon (/ˈsæmən/; pl.: salmon) is the common name for several commercially important species of euryhaline ray-finned fish from the genera Salmo and Oncorhynchus of the family Salmonidae'. Australian salmon is not a salmon, just like a Koala bear is not a bear. 'Although Australian salmon is referred to as "salmon" in Australian English and its species epithet trutta is Latin for trout, it is not related to true salmons or trouts. All Arripis species belong to the family Arripidae of the order Perciformes'.
@mecind: The bigger the fish, the bigger the mercury load as they consolidate the mercury from their food sources.
You can get Australian salmon for cheap e.g. https://claudiosseafood.com.au/products/large-australian-sal…
More info here: https://goodfishbadfish.com.au/fish/australian-salmon/
Amazing but unfortunately most of Australia lives out of their delivery range.
There is a reason why that fish is cheap. Makes good cat-food.
Are these the portions that still have scales?
No, just skin.
The best part imo (depending how you cook it)
Farmed salmon from Norway, the most toxic food on the planet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYYf8cLUV5E
I agree that the Aussie farmed salmon is probably fine. There is a specific problem with pollution accumulating in the Norwegian fjords (from a bunch of different sources like mining, electricity production, shipping and the fish farming itself).
I can find a bunch of studies, testing and "fact checks" that say that Vietnamese basa is ok too, but I'd be careful of it as well.
Thanks for sharing this. I was just about to search for this on Youtube.
Farmed salmon from Norway, the most toxic food on the planet
Do Norwegians eat them?
Citing youtube as evidence for anything is like saying "because the guy at the pub said so".
I guess it is one step up from tiktok :)
Next time, try Google Scholar and see if you find anything.
These have travelled a long way across the world.
Can't be good for the planet.
No different to almost everything else that is inside your house.
I don't eat all my furniture within a week
Yeah true. But this sort of thing seems just wasteful to me.
Specially since the fish is not the best anyway.
Don't forget petrol for our cars as well
fresh vs frozen… Farmed vs wild caught
SUMMARY:
1 All Atlantic salmon in Australia is farmed, as wild populations are depleted and threatened.
Any wild "salmon" here is a totally different species.
2 Salmon freezes well. Home-frozen Tasmanian salmon is still great after thawing.
What’s the price of Aldi frozen Salmon? I think it might still be cheaper, can’t recall.
Farmed fish don't contain the same levels of healthy Omega 3 oils as wild fish. Instead they contain more Omega 6 oil because of the low quality, land meat-based, fish pellets they are fed. A totally unnatural diet.
Oh damn! I thought it's good stuff, how m7ch worse though, still a good source right?
It’s about the balance between 3 and 6. If you already have way too much 6, say your body currently swims in a 13:1 of 6 to 3 ratio, and the comparison ideal ratio is 4:3. This has about 10:1. Does it help you? Yes, because it’s a ratio closer to the target than you are currently in, which means with sufficient intake, it can lower your ratio to 10:1 eventually. But if you were to find some omega-3 without the liability of 6, it would get you there much faster, hence cost and time effective, both in terms of $ and metabolic load.
And then there is disease and antibiotics. Sometimes I just have to close my eyes and figure it's still better than dosed-up chickens… I hope.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/14/tasma…
Organic free range chickens…
I was under the impression that nearly all seafish is frozen when caught/harvested. The fresh fish you buy in the shops is defrosted under controlled conditions and sold as fresh.
Product of Norway
Packed in Poland
Still cheaper than local
Norway's Salmon industry is 16 times the size of ours. And containerised shipping costs next to nothing, per kg.
Their Salmon is not that good.
Cheers cobba, the Boss will be pleased.
Glad I could help you both.
trust me, this does not taste like salmon
Thanks OP going to give it a ago. At this price it's worth finding out… Recently there was a sale at costco for fresh salmon (-$13 instant rebate per pack or so).
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