Both Umart and MSY are $85, ATL?
Just purchased a set to upgrade from 16gb to 32gb in my current pc.
G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16GB (2x8GB) CL18 DDR4 3600MHz Desktop RAM $85 + Delivery ($0 C&C) @ Umart/MSY
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NachoCheese on 27/01/2024 - 23:10 umart.com.au (1052 clicks)
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Was about to say that.
Oops LOL! fixed it 😅
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is there much difference between this and the CL16 option
For $13 more, the timings on the CL16 are much better at 16-19-19-39.
This set: https://www.umart.com.au/product/g-skill-16gb-2x8gb-f4-3600c…Ripjaws are even cheaper if you don't need the RGB bling:
https://www.umart.com.au/product/g-skill-16gb-2x8gb-f4-3600c…
$70 is great value.
The CL16 options aren't always the same, 16-19-19-39 are the more common choices, which will be Hynix DJR, I believe. While, if the timings on the CL16 are 16-16-16-36, then it means the die inside will be Samsung B-Die, which will usually be charged at a premium due to its overall tighter timings and ability to overclock more easily.
I have the older non-Neo kit at 3200 (14-14-14-34) and no issues since Ryzen 1st gen. Wasn't cheap but no DOCP issues whatsoever.
Samsung B die.
3600c18 is good to 3600-3800c18 (with stuff like high tRFC etc)
3600cl16-19-19 is good for 4000-4200cl16 (or ~5k if loose)
3600c16-16-16 is good for 3800-4000cl14 (or 4600-4800 semi-tight).**only for 2x16
wanted to make some elaboration.
3600c18 = almost every chip out there does it, except a few shitty IC. This is like a glorified version of 3200c16.
3600c16-19, likely Micron Rev E, 16Gbit RevB (only in 16x2 kit), Hynix 8Gbit CJR/DJR or Samsung B-Die (only if manufacturer have excessive amount and you are super lucky), Expect 4000c16-21 or 4266 17-22 ish. 5K with extreme voltage on a good motherboard might be doable, but no practical sense.
3600c16-16 Samsung B guaranteed, though usually not the top bin. Expect 3800 14-15 or 4000 14-16
Top bin Samsung B make no practical sense to buy, as secondary/tertiary timing is similar and 1 tick tRCD doesn't mean much at all. but price is almost doubled.
Decent little layout by OMGJL. Are you a fellow admirer of Buildzoid?
Unfortunately, though, most users probably won't understand half of it.I'd probably only add that you're not going to get Samsung B-Die by luck, you can usually figure out which ones are Samsung B-Die, despite the shocking premium in price.
I wouldn't say 3600c16-16 is guaranteed B-die, but it's a good sign. Not that anyone on this page would be interested in premium DDR4 sticks. Lol.
@Beyond: Ive seen B-Die in low bin packages, Ive worked in a computer store before my masters degree, and have seen B-Die in low bin (like Corsair v4.31) though I didn't buy those to test out myself and ethics reasons I didn't just pull it out and play around with… (I have several good kits myself anyway so I won't need it except for fun)
Also 3600 16-16 is guaranteed as a XMP profile. Only other IC does this timing is
1, Nanya A-Die which only works well in AMD, also not available as XMP profile
2, high bin Micron 8bit RevE/16Gbit RevB, but high bin kit will be sold at 4000+ XMP not 3600 16-16
3, CXMT, which is made in China and you won't see it easily, also it's not available as a XMP profile.
My trident 3200 C14 still rocks 😉
@BTMoustachio: I think we have a similar kit. Except mine was 3600 C16 to begin with, which is practically the same thing.
One of my custom OC profiles is 3733 CL14, but I never got around to completing/optimizing all the sub-timings and passing all the extreme RAM tests errorless, plus, my CPU wasn't as friendly with OCs after turning up the FCLK slightly.
The only difference between the Neo kit and the Trident I think are some slightly different timings, the architecture appeared to be the same when I looked into it a while back.
Oh, and mine's a 4x16 kit. 😉
@Beyond: 2DPC 2R, you hit IMC/Motherboard trace wall. Optimize your SOC VDDP VDDG-IOD voltage if you haven't. ODT settings would also help.
Or loosen Primary timing to tighten secondary, works out much better in most case.
Without knowing what CPU socket he's using, it's hard to advise on the matter.
Also, if you're using a CPU air cooler, you'll want to acknowledge the height of your RAM sticks.
3800+ can be a bitch to get if he's on AMD, the controller on the CPU can crap itself trying to sync the FCLK.
if you need high FPS in competitive games, then CL16 is better as it gives you a bit more and stable frames. I got a pair of CL16 (non B die) upgraded from a CL18 and I can tell the difference (no overclocking).
Your post lacks quite a lot of information. Instead of comparing two different RAM sticks while disregarding all the other timings and making an improper analysis, you could just change the Cas Latency on your active RAM kit to establish that on its own, it does (profanity) all.
Do all 4 ram sticks need to be identical? I have two 8gb sticks of these in my PC currently but I can't for the life of me remember what timings I got.
Your motherboard should just figure it out - all 4 will run to match the lowest pair.
But you can use powershell commands or various tools to find out what you’ve got.
Most bios will show what speed rams are when plugged in
only if they have the same bit width, same per IC capacity, and IC happen to like each other in terms of signal transfer and terminate. I wouldn't buy another kit to add on, I rather sell it and re-purchase.
Because 2DPC (2 dimm per channel) is a shit hole as well.
Got a 5600x and think this 16gb upgrade to 32gb will tide mt till a new socket.
Same, still rocking the 5600x.
My tried n tested DDR4 been using for few years now no problems at all, for $204 delivered for 64gb cant go wrong always says so many weeks delivery mine always ship within 7 days
Timetec Pinnacle Konduit 64GB KIT(2x32GB) DDR4 3600MHz PC4-28800 CL18-22-22-42 XMP2.0 Overclocking 1.35V Dual Rank Compatible for AMD and Intel Desktop Gaming PC Memory Module - Black
https://www.amazon.com.au/Timetec-PC4-28800-CL18-22-22-42-Ov…
Mind sharing your OC results with this kit? Might be helpful to others considering.
Umart sucks, always out of stock and they won't ship from one store to another for pick-up, like most stores. Also no free delivery on almost anything at any price.
Team T-Force Delta RGB White 16GB (2x8GB) 3600MHz DDR4 only $65 https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/memory/ddr4-desktop-memo…
Would really do with 32GB 3600 c16. Not much 16x2 kit deals lately.
Maybe I'm out of the loop these past 3 months but this doesn't seem like a good deal for 16GB 3600/CL18, even for RGB.
We've seen 16GB 3200/CL16 RGB at $65 before and non-RGB at $34.51 (3200/CL16 = 3600/CL18)
This kit isn't anything special in terms of timings. A quick search search finds similar kits for cheaper.
https://amzn.asia/d/gFuSbRw
2x8gb wrong description