Good price on this network switch if you're needing PoE to power some security cameras or wireless access points. This one features 8 gigabit PoE ports (30W max each port) and 2 gigabit uplink ports. The KeepLink switches in my experience have been really reliable for a low price.
Unfortunately there's no AU plug available, however it uses the standard IEC cable that everyone has. Now in stock.
AU$ based on current Mastercard rate and GST inclusive.
Yep. If you need more you'll have to spend more. Can't go wrong with Unifi 😜😜
Can't go wrong with Unifi
Urgh… that was some of the worst networking gear I've ever spent money on. At least my PoE Unifi switch was stable (even though the Controller kept losing track of it).
If anyone wants a bargain but bigger PoE switch, look at a secondhand Netgear Prosafe. They come in decently small form factors and get pulled out of smaller corporate offices. And you can log straight into them without needing an intermediary controller running.
I though the whole idea with UniFi is that you have a central controller that integrates all your network devices and enables you to easily designate clients to different VLANs. The issue I have with UniFi switches is that they are really expensive in Australia and are a bit under-powered when it comes to PoE. The latest 16-port PoE switch only has a total budget of 42W.
@trippy: Yes, UniFi with a central controller (or even just an app on Windows to configure them when needed) is a great way to do it. No need to faff around with paying extortionate licensing costs to use cloud based stuff and more flexible than multiple stand-alone APs. I've yet to come across anything that's better in the higher end home networking market. I work with large enterprise Wi-Fi roll outs and the kit we deal with is great, but costs a lot to purchase and even more to keep going over the years.
I though the whole idea with UniFi is that you have a central controller that integrates all your network devices and enables you to easily designate clients to different VLANs. The issue I have with UniFi switches is that they are really expensive in Australia and are a bit under-powered when it comes to PoE. The latest 16-port PoE switch only has a total budget of 42W.
It works well as a concept if you have loads of Unifi gear, but if you only have a single AP or a single PoE switch power other branded cameras, it's just a PITA to have to run a separate Controller instance outside of the device. The controller can be dedicated Ubiquiti hardware (pricey), a Pi, or a VM, but just having to have a dedicated instance is unnecessary overhead for one or two devices.
I think it might be different these days, there might be a phone app that can do single AP management (I stopped using this gear a good while back).
One of the (many) problems I had was that gear kept dropping out of reach of the damn controller (and I tried both VMs and dedicated hardware). I also didn't like the way the controller presented, but that's down to personal taste.
My switch was 150W across 8 ports, iirc, so the power budget was comfortable. No idea what their gear costs here, but going by OzB deals, the APs are certainly not cheap.
@rumblytangara: Great when they all work.
Absolute nightmare when you have some unexpected power outage and your switch and all your APs get stuck on an "Adoption failed" loop and require a million power resets and faffing about.
This has been my experience - using a self hosted UniFi controller.
The real fun I had was having to reset a dozen IoT devices that refused to rejoin the wifi after I had to reset the AP's (same SSID and password, just refused to connect via DHCP).
@Deviner: You can disable the phone home check, sure they may still lose connection with a controller but they'll continue to operate when the powers back up anyway.
Can't say I've ever experienced adoption issues though running controller in a VM
Absolute nightmare when you have some unexpected power outage and your switch and all your APs get stuck on an "Adoption failed" loop and require a million power resets and faffing about.
I thought it was just me, going by the usual "Unifi gear is teh orgasms" posts that are usually on this forum.
One of my APs needed so many resets that eventually the physical reset button fell off the PCB.
That was the same day I decided to open up the casing, and realised what a piece of shit hardware design it had. So many missing components compared to my other equipment, all to reduce manufacturing costs. It looked like literally half the component count, iirc my other gear I could identify caps at the DC input for basic power filtering, but not with the Unifi APs.
The one piece of gear that ran solid was the switch. It was great for years. But I ran it unmanaged, so didn't have to config it via the Controller.
My cameras are like 4w each, what scenario warrants more then 15w a port?
Possibly PTZ motors and built in floodlights. At a guess.
Some super $$$ cameras with thermal imaging and super high power IR LEDs and also defrosting heater functions can draw up to 20Watts POE.
Just buy another one (or two!)…
Switch with AU Plug US$36.18 — This product can't be shipped to your address.
Not only does it cost more than other plugs, but the store also won't sell it to AU.
It's out of stock so it won't show any promotional pricing.
Thanks, this was on my watchlist and has been US$31.50 + GST for a while.
Was looking at a PoE Switch to separate the Reolink Doorbell Camera from the NVR.
I just used a POE Injector adapter.
Thanks, will do some more research before I implement the PoE Switch.
Any decent value recommendations for a newb looking to experiment w vlan / related stuff?
@[Deactivated]: i’ll be honest i looked at the AE listing and it seems dead simple to setup; flick the vlan switch and all the ports get isolated!
If you are learning for work purposes, the ex-corporate Cisco gear is plentiful on the secondhand market.
If you was want to dabble for home stuff, Netgear Prosafe- has a really simple GUI.
@rumblytangara: thanks for the tip - looking into Netgear Prosafe; struggling to find decent value models (happy to spend ~$50 as it's a home/hobby thing - is this one decent? not fussed about speed, mostly keen to to experiment with VLAN configs + PoE is a plus
@Zazer: I just dabble, am not a networking guy (I work with them), so keep that in mind.
I have an older 24 port version of that and it's fine for my useage, which was basically just simple VLANs. The graphic interface is very simplistic, you just manually assign VLAN numbers against each switch port. On mine only half the ports were PoE (12 is plenty).
A quick look suggests that it doesn't support VLAN Tagging / 802.1q which some people might be interested in.
ProSafe is a Netgear small business line, it's pretty hard to go wrong with it.
@rumblytangara: Assigning VLAN numbers on a GUI (or CLI) is exactly what I'm looking for! Mainly struggling to figure out which decent value options have this capability, the one in this listing seems to only have a switch to seperate each port entirely.
Appreciate your advice, been putting off dabbling with networking stuff but configuring a switch +/ vlans seems like a fun way to get into it!
Thanks OP looks Ideal :)
These are pretty good, i bought three when they had there first sale @ $30 each delivered.
One is setup in my hot shed running cameras and a ap no issues at all. Even in the heatwave.
BTW it is a poe+ switch for people who had not worked that out via the 30w / channel info above
Cheers! Good to know. (15.4watts vs 30watts)
I'm a complete newbie and novice to all this technology but excited by the concept for a future project involving security cameras.
A couple of quick questions;
1. With PoE connections, am I restricted to any particular length the connecting cable can be?
2.The specs for this unit, suggest 30W max for each port - I'm assuming this is a fairly universal power standard for security cameras? Or am I going to be restricted in camera selection to match to this unit?
thanks in advance for any advice.
Additional questions because I'm in the same boat:
Is it still safe to plug non-POE devices into this? Like TV, Playstation, etc. ? Does it negotiate power requirements before sending, and default to non powered or something?
Is Uplink for the router, or for the PC/NVR?
I want to keep the cameras isolated from the internet. Would I do that in the router settings?
Is it still safe to plug non-POE devices into this? Like TV, Playstation, etc. ? Does it negotiate power requirements before sending, and default to non powered or something?
Yes - power is only supplied via negotiation. Devices that don't need power won't be damaged.
Is Uplink for the router, or for the PC/NVR?
Uplink is just to the broader local network.
I want to keep the cameras isolated from the internet. Would I do that in the router settings?
If you plug all the cameras into this switch, you would plug this switch into the router, and use your router settings to create a separate VLAN.
@[Deactivated]: Does your Asus router support VLANs?
If yes, make one of the ports of your Asus router an "Access" port for that VLAN and that VLAN only.
That way when you plug in the switch to this port, it will only get 1 network, the security camera network.
1. With PoE connections, am I restricted to any particular length the connecting cable can be?
PoE is rated for a cable length of 100m. There are various ways of extending this though.
2.The specs for this unit, suggest 30W max for each port - I'm assuming this is a fairly universal power standard for security cameras? Or am I going to be restricted in camera selection to match to this unit?
This unit is actually PoE+ (IEEE802. 3at) which is a higher specification allowing up to 30W of power delivery to each port. Standard PoE (802.3af) is only capable of 15W per port. You shouldn't run into any issues running PoE cameras with this switch - most of them only require 10W or so.
Standard PoE devices are fine being plugged into a 30W-capable switch - they will only draw the power they need.
2.The specs for this unit, suggest 30W max for each port - I'm assuming this is a fairly universal power standard for security cameras? Or am I going to be restricted in camera selection to match to this unit?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_over_Ethernet#Powered_de…
That's PoE+ for 30W. You'd have to compare that to specific camera models- e.g. PTZ will require a bit more than plain old PoE.
do PTZ come with a railgun as base model or something
std ethernet is 100M , there is poe and poe+, the 30w is poe+, yes it’s standards based.
I had a KeepLink 2.5gbe switch die on me after a couple of days, and they never responded to the refund request - so it took about a month for Aliexpress to step in and refund me.
That could be an isolated instance.
Thanks, grabbed one
why the GST still at $3.15USD?
Apologies if this is a stupid question.
If this outputs 120W max and 30W per port, does that mean that it can only power 4 devices that draw 30W?
Alternatively, a quick Google tells me that security cameras require around 20W - does that mean this can only power 6 cameras maximum?
30W is a lot for security cameras. You'd have to see what the power draw is for the specific cameras you're looking at.
PoE+ IP cameras are pretty rare. Most of them will be below the standard 802.3af limit of 15W. The ones I use are rated at 9W max.
we have ones at work that rotate, they use more power and are poe+ the stationary ones are low power draw and operate on poe …
I find most of my modern Hikvision cameras sit around 3-4W, according to the NVR.
Is there a risk of damaging network equipment that run off PoE when using cheap PoE switches like these?
No. If a manufacturer is stuffing up POE to that extent then it's unlikely that they'll be able to make a functioning Ethernet switch in the first place.
Ugh, sorry but get something like TP-Link locally, with a local warranty, that's built to last. Its not worth frying a $200 camera cause you cheaped out on the networking gear.
POE has been around for many, many years and is nothing fancy. It's a basic chip and minor additional circuitry. What makes you think this is "cheaping out", particularly when compared to TP-Link, which was similarly denigrated in the past?
Given the positive feedback above, I wouldn't be at all concerned by its quality.
TP-Link gear of late has gotten better and I’ve used the old stuff and the newer stuff. Older stuff was a 24 EasY Smart switch still working fine but no POE.
New Switch is a 16 port Easy Smart 8 Ports of POE+ and 8 regular ports.
Wasn’t expensive. Their old gear a lot of their really cheap stuff didn’t come with a built in wren server like their cheap 5 port and 8 port switches and you had to load software to talk to them. I hate that software.
New stuff, nearly everything except their cheapest gear has web based configuration.
Their OMADA iirc enterprise stuff has some good features.
I agree that UBNT gear is good, if you have a lot of it. The Dream Machine Pro is outrageously priced and so are their switches.
But so is their dedicated hardware controller.
I put an UniFi AP AC Pro in my ex-Wife’s place before mesh networking was around and every time I go down there the controller software has changed again, the auto firmware upgrade on the the AP didn’t work and I’ve got a single POE injector running it.
Both my daughter and ex-Wife were supposed to be able to use it at their fair end of the house and I spent hours configuring a hand over point ba k to their Telstra modems when in the bedrooms at the other end of the house. Because I’m four hours drive away from where they live the first thing I check is their UniFi AP and nearly every time there’s some wrong.
Last time I was there nearly 6 months I had to install Java 10 to install the latest controller software and upgrade the firmware which seems to be so frequently changing. But Having to put Java 10 their only computer which is supposed to be left on to use the controller software is not exactly end user gear and neither is configuring UBNT gear IMHO.
I find the computer always off and I wished I had bought them a dedicated hardware controller.
A single AP should not be that difficult to manage but it’s not the only one I’ve installed. A few friends wanted better Wifi coverage. I put a single AC AP Pro in and each of them I’ve had problems. Most though once I remote in I can control the AP and make sure it’s up to date with the latest firmware.
Two friends and Two clients I’ve swapped out and put in Telstra mesh networking and bitched at Telstra. Sometimes they send a single one for free if I complain enough I might Gen a Fen 3 modem AND a single mesh Networking AP.
Those two friends and two clients never call or email or sms me their Wifi isn’t working. Telstra is outrageously priced for that Tenchnicolor gear but the Mesh Networking device is super simple to set up and in most cases one point was all I needed.
And like I said, in many cases long term customers of Telstra I could bully them to escalate the case and get a free Modem and Mesh Networking AP. One customer I know had to pay for the Mesh Networking AP. I got all of them Gen Three Smart modems for nix.
Beside locking down the VoIP those Technicolor modems do the job on other RSPs, but if you want a land line, you end up having to buy something else and the Netgear Mesh 19 is probably one of the cheaper devices.
Most don’t need more than four Ethernet ports but anyone wanting to get into smart home I do a bit of that for people butt honestly retail prices are outrageous for most stuff.
Tuya and a $30 Zigbee gateway and I can buy cheap stuff from Aliexpress.
Tuya Smart Home is easy enough. I just don’t get involved if they want LED strips.
But I’ve put in TP Link gear in most places and the APs are painful. I prefer running mesh if it’s just inside the house. YMMV.
Unifi switches are very cheap when you compare them with other, similarly spec'd switches.
Comparing them to home-SMB switches is unfair. Compare them with Cisco/Juniper/HPE and then come back to me about pricing.
@massafiri: I think I mentioned HPE switches are very good for the price. You can get some nice non POE or POE / POE+ 16 and 32 and even 48 though the 48 port is getting expensive. The hp j9980a 1620-24g switch if it’s still available was an excellent price and features wise great.
I’d didn’t hang shit on UBNT switches just said they were expensive for home use.
If someone wants to step up the 1620 or 1820 HPE 24g switches are excellent value for money.
That’s my usual step up from TP Link but clients lately want cheap as they can get, so far this year the amount of jobs I’m doing is bare minimum. I’m struggling, the clients I work with are struggling.
If we already have UBNT gear there, then we will stick with that, but if we are replacing a managed switch TP link gets quoted as well as HPE. I don’t usually put in UBNT switches if they are the only UBNT gear. Typically I stay with what’s there unless like a lot of people I do quotes and never hear back or call back in two weeks to find out they’ve decided to wait or found someone who can do the job cheaper and say something like “we are putting everything on hold” which I genuinely believe if they told me they were struggling but some of the excuses people come up with when I know they need it is downright insulting. Just tell me you found some who could do it $100 cheaper.
I get under cut all the time, especially by electricians but I don’t many cabling jobs these days, because I can’t compete.
Unless they want full CAT6 certification.
In 2020 when everyone was struggling, I got asked to quote to fix up some electricians mess. Included CAT6 certification but on a multi floor building unless I can see how that cabling was done I wasn’t going to take that on, I quoted two guys and 20 hours work plus certification on top of it to see how desperate he was. He called back in two weeks saying he found someone else who he claimed was half our quote.
I said good luck, I hope it all gets sorted.
If I don’t run the cables then I’m never going to certify them just because the sparkie hasn’t invested in the gear.
So yes I get where you are coming from.
Just saying that I don’t usually put TP LINK in office installs, we usually go with whatever brand is there and I groan if I see Netgear. Try getting support out of them with out speaking to level 1 for ages and that’s if it’s still in warranty.
Cheers.
Unmanaged ethernet switches and PoE are about as generic as milk.
The last thing I worry about with a switch is warranty.
Hey OP, I just went purchased and the AU plug was available.
Same, I just purchased with the AU plug.
Looks like they added stock. Probably from the influx of AU orders.
At a glance seems to have a std IEC C14 connection at the rear. Buy whatever is cheapest and use your own spare cable.
Is the Pope Catholic?
Nearly all are made in China yeah.
What do you think that a 'Chinese switch' is going to do?
It's an unmanaged switch, zero intelligence.
@rumblytangara: There's still a chance that it could be communicating their online viewing activities back to CCP, it doesn't need to be managed for that. Will it be doing so? Nah.
@[Deactivated]: Are you in an actual role that involves anything to do with tech, or are you basing your fears on 'wot u read on the internets?'
Unless you have a PhD in switches then please be careful
You think that people don't actually test this stuff just for fun, if not for an actual job? Throw Wireguard on and packetsniff your outgoing WAN traffic. It's not rocket surgery, it's an hour of Wireguard tutorials and maybe a week of passive data collection.
I've done this to satisfy curiosity, I know literally dozens of other people who've done this.
Edit: Okay, just had a look at your posting history. You don't know how to use SIMs cards and you don't understand simple password security. You clearly have no idea WTF you are talking about with tech- compared to you a lot of people have 'PhDs in switches.'
@[Deactivated]: 😅 PhD? You've an odd idea of what people require to have in depth knowledge of something. How about decades of work in IT including network switch manufacturing (the world's number 1 and 2 in terms of volume), supporting large, complex networks and now designing large networks that often use low cost POE switches in harsh environments where even expensive, high end switches aren't expected to have a long service life. Guess what, the cheap and cheerful switches last fine. The in depth traffic analysis we've done shows zero suspicious traffic. Think about it, millions of network ports are out there, if switches were connecting somewhere nefarious there'd be plenty of evidence for it.
And your opinion is based on…?
@[Deactivated]: From a previous reply to you: Throw Wireguard on and packetsniff your outgoing WAN traffic. It's not rocket surgery, it's an hour of Wireguard tutorials and maybe a week of passive data collection.
This is what doing your own research looks like. Not looking around on Facebook.
@[Deactivated]: I did google her out of curiosity, and guess what- this 'research' revealed that you don't even know what a PhD is :D
@[Deactivated]: Trolling can be fun when you wind people up and get outlandish reactions. All you're doing is showing how uninformed you are across quite a wide variety of subjects and earning in response, if anything, pity.
I had a chuckle that TP-Link has a budget brand, given that TP actually already IS a budget brand.
That said, I've used them for a very long time and always found them to be great value, and often more reliable than more expensive brands.
iirc it developed for sale in India and similar markets, so TP Link having a budget sub-brand makes a lot of sense.
yes, the budget version of china is india
Same. Their OMADA enterprise stuff is much better and puts them into a different category. I know a few network Admins and most of them are Cisco nutjobs but they say TP-Link is fine for home. You can get some good HP enterprise switches wirh or without POE+ and it doesn’t cost the earth.
And it includes a isolation switch to prevent traffic between ports (other than the upload ports) should you wish to prevent cross talk.
Had one of these and wouldn’t play well with my blue iris setup but the 100mbps worked fine
5 port 2.5gb with a 10gb sfp switch going for similar price delivered with AU plug, seems like a decent price.
https://vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005005890926981.html
Not sure what the power cable comment is about since I see an option for AU power cord.
Also lol what is "AI" about this switch? Buzzword of the minute haha.
these are hit and miss had two of them and they would randomly loose 1gbit link and go back to 100mbps…. Changed port had no issue a week later same issue. replaced cables and still had issues….went with unifi 16port lite never looked back.
Few things:
It says 200Mbps full duplex? I thought it was gigabit?
What is the purpose of the 2x uplinks considering it is a “switch” in theory you could plug the uplink into ANY of the ports, right?
For Q2, yeah you can do that. This just means you can connect 8 PoE devices and still have ports left to connect them to the rest of your network, rather than using up one of your PoE ports on a non-PoE (uplink) connection.
I think it'd come pre-configured as a trunk port so you could run 2Gbps to your uplink from this switch + have a failover if one of the cables fail.
I wish the operating temperature was higher I want to put it in my roof space. Most of the switches I see are 0-40c.
Wrong 😁
BubbleIce has a PhD in switch. He can't be wrong.
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/15066401/redir
(But seriously, Google "industrial network switch" and you'll find stuff rated for 70C ambient.)
@rumblytangara: Thanks for your reply. Yeah unfortunately I relise that is likely my only option I was hoping I might get lucky, the price jump is considerable for basically fan cooling.
I got a laugh out of the PHD bit, have a great weekend.
@[Deactivated]: Im not surprised it seems you arent the full quid.
Have you worked out how to use sim cards yet?🤣
@[Deactivated]: Haha dont flatter yourself, as you can see here (if you were clever enough) other people alerted me to the fact that you are a sandwich short of a picnic by linking your past comments. I can also see you are fairly clueless about tech and have wild conspiracy theories about Chinese government infiltration no doubt stemming from xenophobia.
@Spendmore: I am kind of guessing here, but I reckon it might be a bit more than fan cooling. The specs of a lot of enterprise (rackmouned, fan cooled) stuff is still 40-45C, whereas I've seen other gear rated up to 70C.
My guess is that there's more stringent component selection for the 70C stuff- probably starting the the electrolytic caps as the lifespan of caps decreases seriously with increased temps.
If you want to be a cheap bastard, you could always just whack a 5V fan onto the chassis and power it via USB. I have done this :)
@rumblytangara: I love it!
Yes i did think of drilling the case and adding a fan but I think i will look for a second hand industrial switch.
@Spendmore: You better off with a whirlybird, then your network stuff in the roof will last much longer.
PoE switch running in my roof space and not catching on fire is a dream of mine.
It's a bit more expensive, but some of the Mikrotik gear is rated for higher temperatures. It's not as pricey as some higher temperature gear though. We've had switches that run at 90 degrees (peak, average of around 55-60). Their life expectancy is almost certainly shorter but we've not had one die yet.
I'm tempted by their RB5009 for some home projects.
Awesome, thanks for the recommendation I really appreciate it.
That reminds me- Miktotik has a demo of their RouterOS GUI online. Most of the features are obviously router oriented, but there's a tab that covers switch config.
Password is blank.
Disclaimer: I've never used their gear. Considered it for home use, but it's so freakishly complex that I noped out of the idea.
@rumblytangara: Many ISP/RSPs run their gear of Mikrotik so it's perfectly fine. I'd trust it over Optus' Huawei gear.
@Clear: Yeah, I know- Mikrotik seems to be a manufacturer of choice amongst carriers. It's just a bit much for a networking noob like myself- I saw the BGP options for a hundred dollar device router that realised I would break way too much stuff messing around with it at home. Cause I don't have my 'PhD in switch.'
@rumblytangara: I have used it and it's great once you get it right - but damn, is it complex.
It's good if you want to copy/deploy the same network config again and again - however it's just too easy to make a mistake a brick yourself out of your own network.
Additionally you need to do a lot of work to get stuff like NAT'ing right. Other routers do this for you with much less clicks.
120W power budget