Tonight I was travelling between The Boulevard( Lakemba NSW) and cross King George Rd towards Punchbowl and when crossed the intersection the flash turn on still in green and travelling at 40km/hr at 9:30pm. My dashcam recorded the time and the speed i was travel. When i will receive the fine by mail, can i dispute provide my footage from my dashcam?
Red Light and Speed Camera
puglix on 23/04/2024 - 22:17
Last edited 23/04/2024 - 22:24
Last edited 23/04/2024 - 22:24
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when crossed the intersection the flash turn on still in red and travelling at 40km/hr at 9:30pm
What does this even mean? Did you cross a red light at 40 kph? Were you in the middle of the road trying to turn? What are you disputing exactly?
I cross a green light at 40kph going straight.
If i receive the fine i provide enough proof that my dashcam show me the date and speed i was goingDashcam shows you going through intersection at 41 kph and with GPS tracking not being entirely accurate, there’s a chance you have been clocked going over the speed limit (assuming it’s 40 limit).
Unusual to get flashed otherwise but always a chance it’s an error and/or nothing shows up.
you have been clocked going over the speed limit (assuming it’s 40 limit).
In Vic you'd need to be going at least 44km/hr to get booked…
@jv: If you keep watching the posted dashcam footage, at around :30 second mark front camera view, the dashcam records a 43 kph speed through the intersection.
Taking into account 1-2 sec readout delay and GPS speed measurement inaccuracies, I’m inclined to believe they were indeed speeding and triggered a correct camera trap.
They don’t even slow down much for speed bumps thereafter and just continue blazing through..
"…If i receive the fine i provide enough proof that my dashcam show me the date and speed i was going…"
Thread closed..?
Might have snapped someone speeding going the opposite direction or possibly just a random sample / calibration image.
or a "look how well this guy's doing it" image
Yeah OP should expect his Driving Merit Badge in the mail soon, if he choose not to opt for the ceremony with the Minister for Roads.
Easy dismissal
You'll be fine contesting it, this footage is proof enough.
I assume the speed limit is 50, can't even find a speed limit on google maps on the street, doesn't matter cause you weren't speeding. Either way, you're fine.
You can log into service NSW online, usually fines appear roughly 3-5 days after being caught and you don't have to wait 2 weeks for the letter. Once you see it online, contest it and you're sweet.
I assume the speed limit is 50,
It's 40
cause you weren't speeding
How do you know how accurate the speed from the dashcam is?
I bet the speed on the speed camera is more likely to be accepted in court compared to a non-calibrated chinese dashcam.The time on the video doesn't match the offense time. Bloody daylight savings.
Speed limit is 50, 40 at the school time i doubt the school time at 9:30 at night.
Even is not accurate can't be 10km difference, maybe 2 or 3km difference that's all
@puglix: I've been down this rabbit hole and understand GPS speed error may be up to 0.2 km/hr. Not sure how it goes down in court but you're probs not heading there anyway.
this footage is proof enough.
A dashcam reading does not trump calibrated radar in court.
The camera operator will also have visual road markings which they can use to confirm the actual speed with maths.
It's 9:30pm and obviously it's not a school zone. OP stated it's 50 and looking at maps, the sign state variable speed enforced implying there are different speed limits depending if it's a school zone or not.
A car's speedo visual usually is collaborated to be an extra 2 or 3km/h above what the car is actually going if the car is stock standard, this variable can change if the car is modified.
For example with my car cx3, stock standard, 3 weeks ago, I thought I got done for speeding in Mascot as it 'felt' like the area is a 60 zone cause I turned into a busy, non-residential street with businesses around but I was going 55 from what my dash is saying. I always have my google maps on, and it actually stated I was going around 51-52 when I saw the camera around 15m ahead. I was waiting for the fine on my app and/or mail and nothing came through.
Yesterday, I was going to campbelltown from Sydney and back and the speed limit was 110, I put on my cruise control on long trips and google maps stated I was actually going a stable 104
I am not saying what I did is right (going 55 from what my car stated vs gps), GPS speed usually is somewhat more accurate than speedo speed because it's illegal to collaborate a car's speedo to show less than what the car is actually going. And I am not saying rely on GPS speed as fact or evidence for court but always consider both speeds indicators.
I am keen to see what the camera stated my speed recorded, GPS stated 51-52, car said 55 and camera ??
And even in the OPs case where it's a 50 zone, there's no way the dash cam would say they're going 43 and they got done for going, let's say 56. It
I am keen to see what the camera stated my speed recorded, GPS stated 51-52, car said 55 and camera ??
There's an easy test for this. Find your nearest fixed camera and drive through it 10km/h over the limit while recording both you speedo and your dashcam. Be sure to get back to us with the results.
@1st-Amendment: No need to be a smart ass, judging from your comment history, that's your personality. Interesting.
You appear to be going way faster than 40, unless you've sped up the footage…
Actually, it does look pretty fast for 40.
@pegaxs can do the maths based on the road markings
Edit: I just had a crack and came up with 47.36km/h. Based on my crude math the OP was speeding.
Math makes sense, cheers.
I think over 45, but not over 50 i checked it on the speedometer
Yep, you won’t get a ticket for that, it will show the lights as green and your speed well under the limit.
Keep the footage and send it in as proof. If they fail to accept it, just elect to have it heard in court and a magistrate will toss that case based on that evidence.
a magistrate will toss that case based on that evidence.
So you think the court will dismiss a government operated and calibrated radar over some guy's Chinese dashcam?
Have you ever been in a courtroom?
Speed cameras have a double method of checking speed. The radar clocks a figure based on radar, then the camera takes two photos so an operator can calculate speed based on visual markers and check that they both match. Your dashcam readout will not trump that in court.Have you ever been in a courtroom?
Yep, several times… all for traffic offences, some mine, some for friends.
If you have a clean record and you present your case, and it’s reasonable, most magistrates toss this shit. They are even more likely to toss it if there is only a single fine for being in court to be contested and there is no history of committing offences by the accused.
If there is one thing I have noticed is that magistrates hate having their time wasted over single petty fines for people that no history of breaking the law and that should have been sorted out prior to coming to court.
most magistrates toss this shit.
Never seen it happen for speeding offences. The court is there to enforce the law, not arbitrarily decide what makes them feel good that day.
magistrates hate having their time wasted over single petty fines
This is their actual job.
for people that no history of breaking the law
This is known as a Section 10 in NSW, which is part of the Crimes Act. It's not just a arbitrary decision because a magistrate 'hates this shit', they are following the procedure as dictated in the act.
However this is different argument to whether the court takes a dashcam reading over an endorsed and calibrated speed measuring device such as a speed camera.Based on the video OP posted, I doubt the OP will get a ticket. From a quick calculation on visuals I did he didn't look to be going over 50 anyway. So we may never know.
If OP was written coherently, might have a chance of getting decent reply.
Unfortunately, gibberish posts get nonsense replies
I think the light is triggered because you were in middle of 2 lanes and triggered the light somehow?
Although it's legal to do so, but I prefer not change lanes in middle of an intersection.
You can do whatever you want, within reason. That’s the beauty of a democracy.
Whether you succeed is a different question
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You better be more careful driving the rest of the week; double demerits is on until Sunday
For sure it was triggered for different driver. Relax OP.
But save that video now just in case.
Question: does the eastern states have a speed limit of 40k or 44k when passing through on a green light??
Is that what you are talking about?
Or is this street 40k all the way? or a school zone at 40k?
In Perth we have nothing like that, just do not exceed the normal speed limit for the road.
Please advise
I noticed what looks like a portable sign on a trailer before the speed camera (0:01 on the left viewed from the rear facing camera) and what looks like some tents after the intersection 0:10. There also seems to be a big truck with a bin on it at 0:55. All of this makes me wonder if there's perhaps a temporary speed reduction in place. In terms of your dashcam as evidence, I've read recently a magistrate can disregard your dashcam evidence, so be careful if you're relying on it and how you use it as evidence if required. There's more I could add but really IMHO, it's about double checking the speed in force at the time for the road first.
Those tents are temporary shelters for commuters using the train replacement buses that operate when there are railway track works
Edit:
Oh forward facing is the end of the video
You’re fine, keep video in caseI think you'll be fine with that dashcam. Perhaps the cameras were picking up someone going opposite direction. Good Luck.
I've experienced this several times with no tickets at all. The camera was just testing/cleaning itself
Sure.