Anyone know if you can de restrict the 99 bikes electric bikes that are all set to 25kmh . Specifically the pedal brand mid drive ones? Haha . I've tried Google and got nowhere
How to Turn off Speed Restrictions on 99 Bikes E Bike?
OzBozo on 24/04/2024 - 23:41
Last edited 24/04/2024 - 23:41
Last edited 24/04/2024 - 23:41
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So is there just piles of dead pensioners at the bottom of every hill around where you live?
Are you serious?
Congratulations. You have won the dumbest comment of the year so far.
One dead person being a mother, child, teenager, pensioner is one to many.
@CurlCurl: So we just ban bikes all together then? You would hate to know how many people have died on bikes over the years…
I've heard this argument a bit, but I'm yet to see many pensioners and "low skilled" riders barreling along out of control at 25km/h and taking people out on their current ebikes.
So you agree that 25km/h is fast enough by that logic? But it does also indicate that higher speeds havent been untested.
I do understand the point about the assist cutting in and out though. That could be fixed with some better programming to ramp the assist down nearing the limit rather than cutting it out or something else similar. I guess its most frustrating because , in my experience 25 is a fairly normal cruising speed and i often find myself hovering a couple of kms either side of that.
What we dont want is a new class of assisted bicycles on sharepaths that are faster than the average rider.
ramp the assist down nearing the limit rather than cutting it out
that seems like a good solution.
drop 20% assist for every 1 kph over 20kph.
I'm yet to see many pensioners and "low skilled" riders barreling along out of control at 25km/h and taking people out on their current ebikes.
Come to Newtown and watch the carnage
@Binchicken22: I think you’re right, sobering in the 32~ range with a smoother drop off in assist should be the standard.
I had to sell my Xiaomi e-bike after my First week of ownership a few years back. It was great riding up until 25kph by the way it just cut out did feel very abrupt and even my little folding one with low gear ratio was obviously fine to go a little quicker. I’m in my twenties but had never cycled and never been into running or cardio at this point either, so I’m not sure what people mean when they say “only pro cyclists can ride over 25”.
I found that 25kph made riding down Lygon street too scary due to the sited differential between myself and the cars (even in the 50kph zones).
I had to sell my Xiaomi e-bike after my First week of ownership a few years back. It was great riding up until 25kph by the way it just cut out did feel very abrupt and even my little folding one with low gear ratio was obviously fine to go a little quicker. I’m in my twenties but had never cycled and never been into running or cardio at this point either, so I’m not sure what people mean when they say “only pro cyclists can ride over 25”. I found that 25kph made riding down Lygon street too scary due to the sited differential between myself and the cars (even in the 50kph zones).
If you went from never being into cycling to trying to commute at high(ish) speed on a major road, you were almost certainly not riding safely regardless of what pedal assist was set to. Being faster doesn't make you safer on a big road- ride fast, ride slow, you will still be passed by cars. And if you ride fast and clipped by a car you're simply coming off at a higher speed and you faceplant into the road or into a parked car all that much faster. The safety comes from a riding style and not just being a closer speed as surrounding traffic. The only thing extra speed gives you is a totally false sense of safety.
The number of beginner cyclists that have no idea about how to brake effectively, how to ride visibly and assertively, or how to react to frozen pedestrians is amazing.
I've cycle commuted in a decent number of cities, including NYC and London. Simply riding 'faster' would never have made me any safer.
@rumblytangara: I didn’t like the road choice just as much as you did, informally it was where I had to go. Can’t change jobs because you don’t like the biking route.
I was big into mountain biking as a kid and the stationary cycle is my go to for cardio at the gym, so I suppose perhaps I’m above the regular persons skill level / fitness when it comes to being comfortable at higher speeds.
Frankly 25 is just not that fast, regardless of fitness level. Considering it’s almost never sustained but often reached in fits and sports due to red lights etc I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect at the bare minimum some kind of power roll off as you approach 30 instead of the sudden cut off. Especially since so many e-bikes have such narrow range gear sets optimised for low speeds.
Frankly 25 is just not that fast
Part of the problem with e-bikrs and their limits is that there are two main situations for riding. Some people want them for commuting on roads, and they want them to be fast for that. Other peole want to ride them on share paths among pedestrians and other non e-cyclists. 25km/h is plenty fast enough for riding around slower path users. Of course you can pedal faster with current ebikes, but then fit riders wont want one.
Unfortunately it is hard to distinguish between bikes and where to use them. Maybe one day we'll have GPS based speed locks so that you cant ride fast on the share path but can on the roads. Until then we need to differentiate between a bicycle type (paths) and a motorbike type (roads) somehow.
I restartwd commuting fairly regualrly again recently. Theres a big hill. I considered purchasing an e bike to make the hill easier, but its only on the way to work and the way home has a big downhill. Inalso ride fast enough on the flat that e assist wouldn't be active. A lot of money for a little benefit - a cheap ebike would not be pleasant to ride compared with my current bike.
@Binchicken22: When I approach 25kmph I find I am substantially above the normal bicycle traffic flow speed and needing to overtake basically everyone. I think it’s absurd to claim that 32kmph is easy/equilibrium. Perhaps for a brief sprint, but it’s certainly not a “normal cruising speed.”
The stopping distance at that speed is insane anywhere even remotely near pedestrians given their absolute love affair for walking into cycle ways and/or crossing at red lights.
I suspect the law in the US is based around our entirely different infrastructure, where cycleways and share paths are non-existent, and which basically necessitates using the road 100% of the time. It’s not suitable in Australia.
@haemolysis: Where are you riding? My e-bike was displaying 25 and I was getting creamed in Melbourne commuter bike traffic. I later found out that the displayed speed was only 22 Km/h so I corrected it plus a bit more. The assistance cutout speed is selectable so you can just bump it up a bit as your local conditions suit you don't have to throttle past like very Uber Eats rider out there. The New Zealand pedelec limit is the same as the US at 32km/h and I suspect their traffic is not too dissimilar to ours.
@dirtybigbjelke: I typically ride in Sydney/Surry Hills where there are lots of cycle ways. I am always overtaking at 25kmph. I also sometimes cycle around Centennial Park with some friends. It’s a common cycling area for cycle clubs and very athletic people doing laps at speed, so… a good benchmark for “fast cycling.” Once again, if I’m letting the battery do some work and pushing past 25kmph - then I will be quite easily overtaking most traffic. You certainly don’t get left behind at that speed: you find yourself needing to overtake. It’s rare to see someone faster than that, and when you do, it’s not a bicycle it’s more like an unregistered motorcycle being used for Uber eats.
@haemolysis: the reason i suspect its set to 25km/hour is because at around 20-25, wind resistance starts to significantly affect the rider. In keeping with "normal" flow of shared pathway users, it makes sense to set the limit around the same that an unassisted rider would be going.
depending upon the type of terrain, for a 'typical' casual cyclist, it is very difficult to hold 25km/hour average on shared pathways. You certainly can go over for short bursts if theres a straight stretch that's flat or downhill, but due to all the twisting and turning plus obstacles like pedestrians along with animals, anything above 20km/hour average is actually decently fast.
awaiting news.com.au article on e-bike rider being naturally selected
Why?
I imported my commuter e-bike from the US because I wanted the 20mph limit. My office relocated so I became a cycle commuter, 45km round trip off zero fitness base. My bike had a bit of hub drag with unwelcome extra effort needed when riding without assistance. I looked at the zero drag e-road options at the time (Mahle Ebikemotion, Fazua evation) but there's no way to hack the proprietary systems. I used to get passed all the time by others riding fully de-restricted e-mountain bikes. My bike was technically illegal but the probability of detection was close to zero. BTW, Fazua is now wholly owned by Porsche.
Lot of hate here from Ozbargainers considering there's plenty of posts about watching latest linux distributions on Stremio. I know some of you will say "oh but that's different" yeah well the government wants you to pay for your linux distros just like they want you to obey road rules. OP doesn't say if they'll use it on or off road. Perfectly legal to do it off road.
100%
What does "watching latest linux distributions on Stremio" mean? How do you watch a linux distro? i am seriously out of the loop on this one…
A roundabout way of saying "piracy".
Oh right… like people saying legit use of torrent is to download a linux distro. I was confused by how that related to streaming…
god I hate the "ewwww it's illegal!!" parrots.
first, 25kph restricitons on ebikes makes no sense when electric scooters are sold that reach easily 7-80 kph (way too much imo)
second, 25kph is sooo slow, everyone else, except other pedal assisted ebikes, will overtake you. 32kph is far more reasonable and perfectly safe as it's a normal bike speed.
Problem with restricted ebike is that reaching 32 kph without assistance is very hard due to the heavy weight of the bike, so you end up a lot slower than normal bikes all the time..makes no sense.The other thing is, what if I want to ride my bike in a private course and reach higher speeds? Why in the world I can't do that?
And the other quesiton is, are the parrots OK with limiting also cars' speed to 110 because it's illegal to go faster in Oz?Well said. Yes lets limit cars to 110! Anything that threatens Australian motorists and they will all gobble like a group of turkey's.
I would go further and limit cars to the max speed of the road they are on by built in gps. And also make Autonomous breaking that cannot be switched off mandatory. Cars are what make roads dangerous, not bikes. Im talking about de restricting a 250w motor which might top out at 35kph. Also Only a mid drive can work with 250w which is also the law. 500w is whats needed for a hub drive. A law of 500w and 32kph and people would actually buy them. then you could focus on going after the stupid fast 80kph 1500w scooters and bikes which are dangerous to pedestrians. My old illegal! Electric Beach cruiser was 500w and 35kph max speed, it felt like the perfect power and speed . About as fast as normal cyclist would ride.
Cars are what make roads dangerous, not bikes. Im talking about de restricting a 250w motor which might top out at 35kph. Also Only a mid drive can work with 250w which is also the law. 500w is whats needed for a hub drive.
Couple of points you're likely not considering.
- Bikes are often, and for for some people almost always, used in shared spaces. I don't care if an ebike could do 40km/h on the road but that same 40km/h on a foot or shared path is a danger to pedestrians. Yes a normal bike can be pushed that fast but most riders aren't capable of doing it and those that can primarily ride on road. Where we do have shared space between cars and pedestrians, eg car parks, there's always a lower speed limit of 5 or 10km/h and speed humps etc.
- Many legal bikes aren't 250w. Mine for example is actually a 700w motor IIRC but it only gives that level of assistance very briefly when you move off from a standstill before dropping back and eventually cutting out completely. Point is, deregulating them isn't as simple as removing the speed restriction. If there was no speed restriction you'd get the majority of people doing the right thing and riding to a speed appropriate to the situation you're in but you'd also get that banker that would be riding as fast as possible, weaving in and out of pedestrians and challenging themselves to see how close they could get to people while having another mate film it for tik tok and that's why you have laws such as this.
Anyway, talking about it here isn't going to change anything. If you want the law changed petition the MP responsible for the area or become a pollie yourself and get elected.
Again so well said haha . all the bashing on someone wanting a e bike that can go over 25 while they would all guaranteed be gobbling like turkeys if they had their cars limited to 110.
Why not just use your legs? Lazy
all the bashing on someone wanting a e bike that can go over 25
They can go over 25km/h. No one is stopping you going over 25km/h on your ebike. If you want to ride it down a hill at 50km/h, no one is going to give a shit… it is only the electric motor that cuts out at 25km/h. You are free to pedal your arse off beyond that.
You don’t so much want a bike to assist you up to that point, what you really want, by the sounds of it, is an electric motorcycle, but not have to get a license or pay rego for it.
Limiting a car to ONLY go a maximum of 110km/h is NOT the same as limiting an ebike to ONLY assist you up to 25km/h but still allow you to exceed this speed, on the caveat that you have to supply the rest of the horsepower to go beyond 25km/h.
OP doesn't say if they'll use it on or off road. Perfectly legal to do it off road.
Read the OP's replies in this thread- does he sound like he's interested in doing some back to nature rides in the wonderful countryside, or does he sound like another self-centred street hoon who isn't interested in the safety of anyone around him?
He can't even string together sentences properly, if that's any clue.
Which 99 bikes model bike is it. Saw a youtube video that did this by relocating the speed sensor from the wheel onto the pedal.
I was lookimg at this. Pedal brand lynx
https://www.99bikes.com.au/pedal23-pedal-lynx-red#sizing.gui…Depending on which bike you go with, epic bikes can derestrict it for you for $300 ish
https://epicebikes.com.au/giant-e-speed-unlock-eplus-softwar…
manufacturers are becoming aware of the speed sensor magnet trick. On Giant bikes it eventually bricks the motor and they charge a fee ($250??) to unlock it.
Sell it and buy a scooter
This might not help, but on my bike (different brand but lots of them use generic parts) I go to parameter settings > P6 > and use the +/- to alter the speed. I hope it helps :)
How does it calculate the speed?
usually a sensor on the chain stay and a magnet on the wheel spoke
So OP could just change the radius of the sensor.
The common DIY hack is to move the magnet to the pedal crank and shift the sensor on to the frame next to it.
As I wrote elsewhere in this thread a few of the mfrs are aware of this and have changed their software so that if it detects a non-plausible signal it bricks the motor.
Depending on the bike you can also buy mechanical and electronic de-limiters. The trade off is less range.
I have a e-MTB for fitness/cardio (yes, seems counter-intuitive but I keep cadence around 80-110) and only use mode 2 or 3 of 5 assistance levels and 25kph feels fairly quick on most trails. Downhill it's just "how fast do you want to go?"
@brad1-8tsi: Just saying op could have modified his bike slightly and jumped the speed limit. Ie moving the sensor 1cm will increase the speed of the bike by approx 1km/hr. But OP is too thick to work this out. I'd bet the bricking is when it's stupidly high or low.
What will happen is he will try something dumb, get into an accident and post on here for help.
@Davo1111: Moving the sensor will not change the speed, the magnet still only goes past the sensor the same amount of times per minute. To change the speed you would need to change the diameter of the wheel!!
Be careful if you do de-restrict. I repaired the brakes on a de restricted ebike. As soon as you turned the pedals it was off at full power up to 35km/h and the only way to stop it was turn it off or hold the brakes. It would be dangerous in a busy area.
Why bother? It's not like you're going to get it up to 141.622km/h.
Wait a minute, Doc are … are you telling me you built a time machine… out of a pushbike?
You'll need to go to 88 bikes to get one
Speed control is there for a reason for people who might lose control.
Just wondering, even on pedal bicycles, can't we reach speeds upwards of 40-60km/h anyway?
DIY Ebike
Many kits out there. Start with bafang bbs02
When I was looking last year you had to Google the electric motor model and get a tuning box or speedbox
Eg. https://www.google.com/search?q=bosch+cx+gen+4+speedbox
Note it's illegal to set the limit over 25k on gov roads, but legal off road. You can get ones that are easy to reset and enable the speed limit on (Eg hold a button for 3s and it toggles the limit)
Don't do that - not because of your safety but in case you hit someone else and it's really for others.
When you asked this question you care the least of yourself, so do us.
Drivers of motor vehicles are supposed to adhere to speed limits, but push your foot to the floor and your Holden, Mazda, Kawasaki, Tesla can reach 200kph but they are not speed limited ? Look at the Australian / world road casualty figures and bicycles, scooters, ebikes make up a miniscule fraction.
Australia leads the world in 'nanny' restrictions and regulations. We even have to wear a helmet on a bicycle. Having ridden the globe, in many countries, wearing a helmet brings unwanted attention. In Afghanistan I was told NEVER to wear one. Great advice.
25kph speed limit is ridiculous when a reasonably fit person can pedal a treadly 30kph+ and you can coast down hills 40-50kph. What's the point on speed limiting any bike just like cars ? 1200 on average die from Melonoma cancer in Australia, but do we enforce hats and sunscreen ? On average 30 cyclists die on our roads each year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_causes_of_death_by_rat…
In my town no one wears helmets and nearly every eBike is unlocked and our Police ignore it as they have far more important CRIME to deal with.
New Zealand and USA have sensibly adopted the 32kph limit which is a good balance while Japan and Europe also thinking down this path. Germany has a 45kph pedalec category.
Agree with you on aussie helmet laws being over the top. Overall wearing a helmet is probaly safer, but getting more people on everday bikes would make cycling safer for everyone. More bicycles on roads means more driver awareness and hopefully less incidents with cars. If they wont repeal helmet laws, Id like to see helmet laws rolled back for paths and residential streets where the risk is very low anyway.
Doesnt the german pedalec 45km/h category cone with restrictions on wherw you ride them?
Thing is, aussie riders are more liekly to be on share paths than roads. Maybe once our cycling rates increase to better levels on roads then we might get higher limits for e bikes.
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@Binchicken22: The coastal path is dead flat. No hills for gravity assist. Just a number of riders with questionable judgement riding at full assist on crowded shared paths.