Samsung Galaxy Z Flip4 Warranty - Anyone Else Had Issues?

I had a strange experience today, and am interested to know if anyone else has experienced this.

My Flip 4 has developed some small cracks along the fold lines. After looking this up, I figured Samsung would fix this under warranty.

I booked my phone in for service and visited a Samsung store today. However, the team assessed my phone and found a small dint and scratch on the rim of the phone. These are REALLY minor - barely identifiable unless you look really closely. They advised me that because of this damage, my entire warranty was void - even for any defective parts and services.

I questioned this, and was directed to the Assistant Manager on Duty, who said that yes, even though the cracks on the fold line may be a defect and unrelated to the other minor areas of damage, the warranty is void because of these minor areas of damage.

I then said that this doesn't seem right and may breach Australian Consumer Law. He then provided with a warranty card (attached), and told me that the second half of the first paragraph made it clear that ANY defects are not covered under warranty if there has been any wear and tear, accident, misuse, abuse, neglect or rough handling. This is absolutely NOT how I read the warranty card, but he just kept repeating the words "ANY DEFECT".

While in the Samsung store, I heard multiple other people receive the same advice, be prompted to pay for a repair and then accept this. In addition to this, the Assistant Manager told me that Samsung had been telling them to be really vigilant about warranty repairs.

I'm confident that the decision not to repair the phone contravenes the written warranty and my rights under ACL. Otherwise, it would mean that any company could simply very easily write away their obligations if they sell defective products.

Has anyone else experienced this? I'd like to decide whether I escalate this with Samsung alone, or contact ACCC.


[UPDATE - 27th May]

I got a response from Samsung Australia in writing stating that it's policy that "Samsung don't do partial repairs", and this is why any dints or scratches can void your warranty (implying that it's even if damage is unrelated to the defect).

As user @eightimmortals said:
"That's like taking your car back to the dealer because the engine fell out and them refusing to fix it because you had a small scratch on the rear bumper"

It's a clear violation of a right to a remedy if your consumer guarantees are not met under Australian Consumer Law. I'm planning to file this with the ACCC, and encourage anyone who has experienced this to do the same.

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  • +10

    Escalate to Samsung online, but I think you’ll get nowhere.

    • Yeah, I've raised a ticket with Samsung Online so we'll see whay happens.

      I'm interested in whether this is a widespread practice, and Samsung are undermining or shiriking guarentees under Consumer Law.

      • +21

        Their customer service is shockingly bad.

      • +13

        There is a video online, where a Samsung representative came to look at a TV for a customer that was under warranty. There was a hidden camera recording the whole situation. When the customer wasn't looking, the Samsung repair man pulled out a knife and made a scratch on TV screen, and told the customer TV can't be repaired because of existing damage.

        The video was posted originally on YouTube, but it is aggressively taken down by Samsung on all online platforms.

        https://www.reddit.com/r/samsung/comments/1alnizr/samsung_re…

        • +1

          Ha. @bamzero posted it in a comment below.

        • +1

          There is a video online, where a Samsung representative came to look at a TV for a customer that was under warranty.

          Was he a Samsung representative? I thought he was just a contracted repair tech from a third party company.

          The full story:

          • Guy buys TV on Amazon, finds a dark spot on the panel

          • Repair guy comes and replaces the panel but didn't reassemble it properly (screw is blocked by a cable)

          • Repair guy is sent out again to reassemble it properly

          • A new spot appears on the panel, possibly damaged when it was disassembled the second time

          • Samsung offers to replace the TV with a brand-new one but the guy refuses because he didn't want to unbox it

          • Guy calls Samsung again, the same tech is sent out. This is when he scratches the TV.

          To me it sounds like a really inept repairer who probably got penalised for failing to repair the TV properly the first time, so decided to damage the TV.

          The video was posted originally on YouTube, but it is aggressively taken down by Samsung on all online platforms.

          The original video is still up on YouTube.

          • @eug: The title of the video says "(Samsung Technician Cuts my TV to Void the Warranty #Scamsung)"

            Just read some of the comments:

            "I used to be a tv repair tech for an authorized service center back in the day. Samsung hated authorizing panel replacements for picture imperfections. Towards the end of their days manufacturing plasma tvs they went too far in trying to make thinner glass on the front of the screen, which caused warping and cracking from the inside out…I lost count of how often they'd deny warranty coverage on their defective screens on those specific models. They would never outright say that we were to go to this extent to cause a denial of warranty coverage, but their actions spoke louder than words. Their behavior, and awful management of the local company I worked for caused me to get out of that whole industry ASAP."

            Of course these are just comments posted by people online, so I may read it, but I can not know how true it is.

            • -1

              @anonymous01:

              Of course these are just comments posted by people online, so I may read it, but I can not know how true it is.

              Hard to tell if it was company-wide, worldwide, or specific to that guy's state or local company he worked for, but hopefully things have changed in the 10+ years since he experienced that.

        • Fake news

      • +1

        This exact thing happened to me. I kept hassling them, using an example similar to the engine falling out.

        Eventually they caved.

  • +12

    Correct that warranty is void if there's any damage that they perceive may have caused the issue. Warranties are voluntary and they do not have to oblige goodwill repairs. Samsung are known for one of the worse customer support here so that's not a surprise.

    Guarantee on the other hand is not voluntary and you are covered by ACL. You'll need to demonstrate that the "small cracks along the fold lines" is a manufacturing or design defect and not user-damage.

    Lodge a case with ACCC but note they do not resolve individual disputes. You'll need to go to xCAT to state your claim.

    NSW: https://ncat.nsw.gov.au/case-types/consumers-and-businesses/…

    • +6

      Thanks. In this case, the manager explicitly said that even though the small cracks were NOT likely caused by the minor damage, it didnt matter. This is what seemed like dodgy practice to me.

      • +1

        Always ask for whatever they state in writing so you can escalate with the manufacturer. What he says doesn't really mean anything, they basically are fobbing you off.
        It seems like the cracks are simply cosmetic in nature and does not affect the problem you are having.

        If what they say contravenes what is in the ACL then you win.

        • +3

          Yeah, so I asked them to put it in writing and they said the only way they could do that is if I paid $66 for an out of warranty assessment!

          That's why I sat in the store and took notes on what the manager was saying, then confirmed with him this was our discussion and then sent it to the store email address.

          • -4

            @awjah: Did you get him to sign the notes that they were true and authenticated by him as what he told you?

            Your notes also doesn't really mean much on their own but I guess its better than nothing.

            • +1

              @garetz: Ha, I didn't go that far. I did consider it, but figure if they're that committed to changing their story I probably have other issues!

            • +3

              @garetz: Those notes might still come in useful for an xCAT hearing.

              I documented all the phone conversations that I had with a company via followup emails, even though they never replied.

              Turned up to xCAT and my big stack of documentation (emails + photos) was possibly one reason the company rep folded so quickly. Simply cause he realised that I'd prepared properly to go in front of the adjudicator.

          • @awjah: ask him if you can get the in warranty assessment note that rejected your claim
            what a load of bs…

            Different item but I had no issue in getting my Samsung fridge repaired after 6yrs. I didnt even need to pull out the ACCC card and they didnt bring up how its been out of warranty for years. But i think with phones these guys can pull out so much bs. I remember years ago i sent in my phone for repairs and they stated moisture damage… Didnt drop the phone in water at all.

            • @SpendLess: I'm guessing they're getting so many requests for this manufacturing defect they're willing to try anything to get ppl to not lodge claims.

              • @star-ggg: This is just an Australian operations thing. I came here only recently, and Samsung CS was fine overseas.

                • @rumblytangara: not necessarily - it was in the news (in Hong Kong) that Samsung Worldwide recall does not include Hong Kong

      • https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/768311

        Someone in the past did manage to get Samsung to fix their Fold 3 for free, though they noted they had purchased the Samsung Care plan.

    • Strictly speaking you need to report it to consumer protection the state the business is registered in.

      Relevant courts in your state is the only way to enforce action. Note the enforce of action has to be completed in the state the business is registered in. Which can be difficult if you purchase goods online.

  • +25

    That's like taking your car back to the dealer because the engine fell out and them refusing to fix it because you had a small scratch on the rear bumper. Hearing lots of similar stories about Samsung so for now they are off my list of brands when considering buying anything right now.

    • Thats almost exactly the analogy I used.

    • +8

      Makes sense.
      If your car falls out of your pocket and lands on the rear bumper, it's possible the engine will fall out.
      There would be no way of knowing whether the engine fell out due to user neglect or manufacturer defect.
      I recommend one of those bumper covers.

      • Well played. :)

        • I was just imagining what I'd say if they told me that at the dealership.

          I was driving my mother's car 20 years ago and the engine did literally fall out. I swear she would not have believed it wasn't my fault had she not been in the car at the time.
          It was repaired under warranty but not even a year later she was driving and the gearbox fell out. Again was repaired under warranty. A real Friday lemon that one was, manufacturer refused to replace the vehicle.

  • -7

    I've never had any issues with cheap mid-range android phones.

    • Yeah I agree with you on this. No point in getting 2k handset when using it will void your warranty….

      Sorry your warranty is void due to wear and tear, that scuff has voided your warranty.

      I'm an OzB member, I look for best bang for buck handset these days.

  • +2

    If there was no external wear, they'd have conveniently found water damage. Stay away from Samsung. They did the same to me with the S3's "Sudden death syndrome" defect. I paid for a new board and the phone still works over 10 years later. (I've had an S9 and Motorola A54 since) Funny how the ambient humidity of outback WA never damaged this phone since replacing the board.
    Defects like these are why I never buy cutting-edge tech. I'll be waiting for news of any defects with the new Snapdragon X Elite chips before shelling out for a new laptop.

  • +3

    meanwhile my asus zenfone i with a cracked back and dings around the screen edge - but not the screen itself, was happily refunded under ACL when it suffered motherboard failure.

  • +7

    Samsung is usually very difficult to deal with when it comes to warranty. While i love the brand and still buy their products, they always fail when it come to warranty. So i always make sure i buy them from reputable retailers like officeworks.

    I had a S21+ which developed an issue with speakers within the warranty period. The samsung store person acknlwedged the issue when i dropped it to have it repaird. However, their tech sent it back with note saying no issue with the phone. I had sent it three times and finally gave up and went back to officeworks to check if they can help. Then officeworks took it and gave me a full refund.

    So try the store where you bought your phone from, if you did not buy from Samsung directly.

  • +4

    Samsung are horrible to deal with. Never had a pleasant interaction with them. Their products are priced high yet their service is woeful.

    • Fantastic products but their after-sales service/warranty is hit and miss.

  • +1

    Quite a coincidence but I have just gone thought the same problem with my fold4, the tape that held the brushes came out of my hinge and I took it to a samsung store for a warranty repair. I was told because of a scrape on the side it was no longer covered under warranty and the people there where very sure it would be denied if they sent it off. I still got them to and got a $933 bill from the tecworks for the whole screen assembly.

    I pretty much just hassled them to escalate it to samsung support and eventually a representative got back to me and told me that they will be replacing it under warranty and it will be back to me in a few days. The hinge feels new again and the whole inside screen was replaced. Honestly having heard all the stuff about support here I thought it was going to be more of a battle, if its actually a warranty issue just keep telling the repair company no and they will eventually escalate it to someone who knows their stuff.

    • Do you think it could be systematic and intentional? While I was arguing the case, at least 3 people just accepted it and paid the money for the same thing!

      • I think the repair companies have no interest in honouring repairs as they dont make a dime off of it and samsung is happy to make it difficult to push care+ when you buy it. Considering I got the fold 4 on one hell of a sale there was no way I was spending that amount to repair it

        • +2

          Yeah, this was at a Samsung store. I reviewed their warranty and can't see anything that indicates the entire warranty is void in the event if damage. Additionally, there are guarentees under consumer law Samsung can't just 'wish away'.

          Given everyone's stories and that the manager of the store said he's been told very specifically to push back on these repairs, I'm starting to think it could be systematic and intentional.

          If it is, it's illegal and they should be held to account by the ACCC.

          • @awjah: Yeah I love the phones but the whole organisation seems so confused by their own products, the folding phones just die after a year and i think they are sick of replacing them

  • +7

    If there has been any wear and tear..

    So..
    Keep it on the sealed box dont use it???

  • +4

    I think sometimes it's the luck of the draw. My dog snagged my charging cable and my Flip fell and the hinge was damaged. When to the Samsung Store and one person was like, kept giving vague answers and implying it couldn't be fixed. Spoke to another person literally 5 minutes later and she was able to organise my phone to get reviewed and they repaired under warranty.

  • +1

    Worst customer service in Australia. Less than a year old monitor and the pads under the stand for grip are already falling off. Asked them what they can do and instead of helping, they try cancelling the entire warranty because of "physical damage by the user".

    • What was the outcome? I've reviewed their warranty, and can't see any terms where they outline that damage voids an entire warranty. Additionally, you would have guarentees under consumer law that Samsung can't just "wish away".

  • There's no way cracks on the inner screen, near the fold, have anything to do with dents/scratches on the outer shell.

    Push back, explain how they are completely unrelated, politely outline how silly that outcome sounds and request to escalate it.

    Or, don't go to Samsung at all and go to their approved service repair shop directly and see what they say, since they're the ones doing the repairs (not the folks in the Samsung shops/pop-up shops).

    • +1

      Yup, I agree. The real weird part is that the manager AGREED with me.

      He tried to convince me that any damage, even unrelated to the defect, voids the entire warranty.

      He even got the warranty out to read it to me, but kept selectively removing words. I had to say to him "please read the entire sentence", which he reluctantly did but still said thay he's been told this is the way it is.

      • +1

        had to say to him "please read the entire sentence", which he reluctantly did but still said thay he's been told this is the way it is.

        That's proof that he/Samsung are purposefully breaking the law.

  • +4

    yeah, seems like a breach of consumer law. I'd take it further, there is a reason they are at the top of the NSW Complaints register.

    https://www.cas.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/pubreg/tabNew.html

    • +6

      Yup. If I was a one-off, I was going to chalk it up to a mistake on the managers behalf. However, it's clear from the other stories in his thread that it's consistent and intentional, so I'm going to file a complaint through the ACCC.

  • +3

    Asus has entered the chat…

    • Was thinking the very same thing!

  • +3

    That is absolutely atrocious behaviour by Samsung, absolutely complain to ACCC and hopefully enough people complain so they can't get away with this crap. I buy a lot of Samsung products and will be rethinking my choices in the future.

  • +1

    I've had two poor experiences with Samsung products: a faulty TV and a Galaxy Watch that was bricked when I updated it with the Australian official update.

    For ten years, I've chosen other brands and switched to Pixel phones and Garmin. The old saying - vote with your dollars.

  • +11

    Wow. I got a response from Samsung Australia in writing stating that it's policy that "Samsung don't do partial repairs", and any dints or scratches can void your warranty (implied that it's even if damage is unrelated to the defect).

    I'm definitely filing this with the ACCC, and encourage ANYONE who has experienced this to do the same. It's a clear violation of your right to a remedy if your consumer guarantees are not met under Australian Consumer Law.

    [edited for spelling]

    • Take legal action either in small claims or courts is the only way to actually get action. Only a court of law can decide if the matter is a minor or major fault.

      Note consumer law and and warranty are two different things.

      Consumer Protection in your state is a lion without teeth. They can not enforce matters on the behalf on individual. ACCC doesn't even deal with individual matters.

      Complaining to the ACCC is the biggest waste of time.

      • I guess that's a way to get the individual matter resolved.

        The concern I have now is a large company systematically shirking it's responsibilities under ACL. I can't fathom how they can claim they're not responsible for defective parts if there's any observable damage, even if that damage is entirely unrelated to the fault.

        As far as I can see, ACCC is the best avenue to have this fundemental practice examined at Samsung?

        • For the record ACL law in Australia is a waste of time unless you are willing and able to take the company to court. A lot of businesses are aware of this and we will see many businesses doing similar actions like Samsung. Samsung will not be the first or last business to act like this until the ACCC actually does its job. Apple got into trouble previously from the ACCC but what was the penalty and did consumer actually benefit from it?

          The ACCC does not take actions on the behalf of individuals. So the question has to be asked when does the ACCC take action on the behalf of individuals. The simple action is when they feel like it. The collection of individuals' complaints are done at state level. However ACL are federal laws as far as l am aware.

          One great example l can give you is Phillip Foam Gate were each consumer protection in each state has their own interpretation of the law yet we have 1 single ACL in Australia. If a minor fault can not be fixed in a reasonable time then it becomes a major fault and consumer can then decide what action they would like the seller to take. This is ontop of the TGA naming the product a recall.

          Again the system fails because only a court of law can decide what is reasonable amount of time, what is a minor fault and what is a major fault.

          Here is the real question. Do you have the time and money to take legal action against Samsung to get your repair you want?

          Also l am assuming you purchase the product from Samsung. ACL normally focuses heavily on the seller.

          This is also why its important to buy from company who do respect ACL or will support there consumers. Manufacturers may not be the best company to deal with for ACL because all they talk about is warranty.

    • +1

      Look up some of the stories about Asus recently, particularly from Gamers Nexus.

      This is literally the exact same tactic.

      With Asus, they sent in a warranty repair for a joycon issue on a ROG Ally, they identify some dings on the casing near the screen, then said the overall repair wasn't covered under warranty due to accidental damage and wanted money for the job to repair the screen … despite that damage having no impact on the initial reason the thing was sent in for repair (the joycon).

  • I'll say it again, that's why I got my Samsung phone via Telstra. I don't have to deal with Samsung at all, it's been great.

  • +2

    This guy comes to mind…

    • I watched the whole thing, and it was satisfying.

      The thing I don't understand is the fundemental premise that ANY physical damage can void a warranty for defective components, even if it's unrelated.

      Don't know about the US, but the entire practice seems to contravene Australian Consumer Law.

      • The thing I don't understand is the fundemental premise that ANY physical damage can void a warranty for defective components, even if it's unrelated.

        I can understand the reasoning behind it. e.g. if a phone is put in a case and is dropped onto a hard surface, the phone itself might only show a small dint but the shock of the fall would still have been transmitted to the glass screen. It's what makes egg drop challenges difficult.

        However to keep customers happy I think big companies should just grit their teeth and bear the cost of repairing such damage anyway, unless the damage is really obvious of course. Customer loyalty is worth more than the cost of a repair. Looks like the accounts department won this decision.

        • No, that would make the damage related. In that case, the damage is already excluded under the warranty and Samsung aren't obligated to provide a remedy under ACL.

          The specific point Samsung are trying to make is that even if the damage ISN'T related to manufacturing fault or defect, they still don't provide a remedy the manufacturing fault or defect.

          • -1

            @awjah:

            The specific point Samsung are trying to make is that even if the damage ISN'T related to manufacturing fault or defect, they still don't provide a remedy the manufacturing fault or defect.

            That sentence is a little confusing, but my point was that damage may seem unrelated to a fault when it could actually be related.

            • +3

              @eug: Yup.

              And my point (and the whole point of this post) is that Samsung are arguing that even if it categorically isnt related, they claim the warranty is still void and not replacing defective parts (as they are required to do under ACL).

              • @awjah: This sounds like semantics. What I understand from the warranty card, which was certainly vetted by a lawyer, is that the warranty does not cover damage caused by physical abuse.

                This unfortunately gives them the ability to say any issue was caused by physical abuse if there's a dint on the phone as dropping a phone is physical abuse, and physical shock can damage seemingly unrelated things.

                Whether or not that would hold up in a small claims court (or tribunal?) is another matter; I imagine they'd have to prove the fault is related to the dint.

                I'm not sure why they would want to lose customer mindshare over things like this as I'm sure they can afford to repair mildly-damaged phones.

                I too would encourage anyone who has experienced what you did to lodge a complaint with Fair Trading and ACCC.

                • @eug: It's not just a semantic difference at all.

                  One is damage caused by the user, and excluded under warranty.

                  The other is a defect, and should be covered by a warranty and under Consumer Law.

                  I've read the warranty card back to front.

                  It's not consistent with what I was told in store and in writing by Samsung support. This is where Samsung have clearly told me that any "scratch or dint" voids the warranty over any defective parts and materials.

                  They specifically told me that this is even if the scratch or dint is unrelated and not the cause of the defect.

                  Pretty simple.

                  • @awjah: Do report back on what the ACCC and/or Fair Trading says, I think we're all interested to hear the final word. Maybe you should also link to this thread on Samsung's socials to see if they can clarify anything.

  • +7

    Opposite at Apple. iPhone 14 bought when they came out. No applecare or anything like that. Entire rear glass all cracked and held together by case, been like that for a year. 3 months ago, GPS stopped working while driving to Tasmania. Needed it for work so called into Apple Store. They tested it, said gps was indeed not working, and as they can’t open the case with it all cracked like that, they swapped it for a new one at no charge……

  • +1

    I bought a flip4 in April last year. February this year the main display failed, called Samsung care & they told me to drop it off at a Harvey Norman for repair.
    In may the screen failed again, again I called Samsung & dropped it off at Harvey Norman . A few days later I get a txt saying my repair will be $420. I told them to return it to Harvey Norman as is, I'm not paying for a repair that should be covered by warranty. My phone had no damage at all when I dropped it off. The report from the repairer (Tecworks Banyo) said damage to the screen & when I got the phone back there was a cut in the main display. So I'm out a $1000 phone & I'm done with Samsung.

    If you do ever have to send your phone in for a repair always photograph it before.

  • My flip3 screen was cracked because i had applied a third party screen protector myself. Took in into the samsung store in sydney cbd. The worker said " I'll note down that the screen was broken and i ( the worker) removed the screen protector to inspect it further ) phone was fixed for free. Great service.

    Maybe go back and you might not get the same manager

  • +1

    Last year my fold4 got a line through the screen, i'm pretty sure it's because I had dropped it multiple times. Kept the phone mostly in covers so it didnt have too many "wear and tear" damages. Sent it to samsung for a repair under warranty which they agreed, but because they didn't have any new screens they opted to replace my fold 4 with a fold5. I'll admit I was pretty pleased with this outcome. Not every warranty case is negative with samsung, probs just depends on how generous they feel in that moment

  • I am not feeling the best after reading this post. Have a Samsung s90c QD OLED TV on ordered.

    • Same here. Now I wish I bought the same TV at JB, for a couple hundred bucks extra

      • :(
        Will see how to experience it. Expecting the tv to be delivered after the 7th of June.

        • yep, same. Well, if my tv is faulty I am ready to bring them to small claim court, I have no problem with that. I'll fight to death

          • +1

            @liongalahad: Don't worry too much, you have to keep in mind that forum posts like this mainly attract only negative comments as anybody who has had a bad experience will understandably want to vent their frustrations everywhere.

            Meanwhile there are plenty of people who have had no issues with Samsung's support but they have no reason to bother posting about it so you won't hear about it.

  • Don't buy direct from a manufacturer. Then you have the retailer doing your leg work and in the firing line if you escalate an ACL claim.

    Also a good reason to avoid Samsung's Flip and Fold phones. These issues are a matter of when, not if. They're not great products.

    • I was skeptical, but figured they were on Gen 4 when I bought mine, and were claiming (and still claim) it was good for 200,000 flips. I was pretty convinced that even if there was an issue, that's a lot of flips to warrant! Seems like it was too good to be true.

  • Reminds me when Apple did the same thing to me when my iPod suddenly stopped turning on. It was 13 months old. They said there are scratches on it so it's my fault

  • -1

    Holy shht… I think I'll buy a Google tablet. At least they are known for just straight-up replacing things if there's a problem.

  • I've had good experiences with Samsung's warranty repairs but there's nothing interesting to say so I've never bothered starting a forum post about it.

    A family member's Fold 3 developed a bulge all through the centre. It still worked fine but the crease was outwards. Very weird. Tecworks Banyo replaced the screen with no questions.

    Friend's Fold 4 developed some dark pixels on the inside screen. The same Tecworks replaced the screen with no questions.

    My Fold 3's screen protector started peeling. I got it replaced on the spot at the same Tecworks while I waited.

    My Samsung monitor started going dim on one side. I lodged a warranty claim online, arranged a time for a technician to come, he came and replaced the panel, everything works fine.

    I haven't had any screen issues with any of my Folds so don't have anything to report on that.

    Reading people's bad experiences above, Samsung can definitely do better. As useless as ACCC/Fair Trading may be, I do hope everyone lodges complaints anyway just so there's an official record of it, hopefully leading to more media attention in the future.

    But it is important to note that not everybody has bad experiences with Samsung support. The more products a company sells, the more likely you're going to hear complaints about them simply because there are more products out there. They should definitely be more consistent though.

    • I've also had Samsung phones for the last decade, as has my family. I've never had to replace anything under warranty.

      I posted this to see if it was a one off. If so, I would have just escalated it and put it down to a misunderstanding / poor training or something.

      Unfortunately, it seems more systematic. I've also found a bunch of other stories like this online, so am actually surprised at the consistency of the stories of entire warranties being "voided" due to minor cosmetic damage.

      Overall, I'd been pleased with my Flip until now and even considered a Fold, but will be switching away from Samsung next replacement.

    • A family member's Fold 3 developed a bulge all through the centre. It still worked fine but the crease was outwards. Very weird. Tecworks Banyo replaced the screen with no questions.

      Sounds like a swelling lithium polymer battery, which is unsafe.

      • Sounds like a swelling lithium polymer battery, which is unsafe.

        Sorry, I shouldn't have called it bulge. It was a ridge. Definitely wasn't a bulging battery, I've replaced plenty of those in phones that have been sitting on charge 24/7.

  • My experience with Samsung has been a mixed bag over the last 10+ years since Galaxy S2.
    - My Fold 4 and a friend's Fold 4 both had the "black bar" screen death, this is a very common problem.
    Both were fixed under warranty, as both were in a case from day one, without a scratch.
    - My 3 Month old S20 had a screen death. Samsung found a "hairline" crack, asked for a $400 repair bill. I had to beg and plead for them to reduce the price to $300. <— Samsung used the same arguement provided from OP.
    - My S4 had some pixel death. Samsung repair took 2 weeks and came back with broken buttons, I was out of a phone for a month.
    - My S2 didn't have any issues, it was a workhouse(replaceble batteries FTW) for 6 years before becoming way to slow.

    That being said, Samsung phones are generally of higher QC, longivity and less failure rate than other brands, e.g. LG, Sony, Nokia, HTC, guess they are all gone now, haha.

  • Samsung Warranty

    🍿

    ——
    Sorry… i avoid these scum for reasons such as these.

  • Read my post history. They pulled the exact same story with my fold 3 and I went all the way to the CEO and escalated it. Mine was resolved as soon as I escalated to CEO. Fantastic fone, but pathetic service.

    • Just read that thread.

      Did you get anywhere with Consumer Affairs?

      I'm comfortable escalating this to get an individual resolution. However, it's clearly a widespread practice. The fact the manager told me they've been directed to be particularly vigilent regarding flips and folds is concerning.

      I've lodged a complaint with ACCC, but feels like it might go no where if this has already been pursued.

      • Fair Trading did reach out to me, but by then, Samsung had already repaired my phone.

        • Yeah, OK. At least they reached out!

    • How did you get in touch with the CEO?

      • +1

        His first name.Last [email protected]. it was a guess though. You can google to find the Australian CEO name.

        • +1

          Maybe someone should send him a link to this thread!

  • I made the mistake of buying a Fold 4 as well. I'm hoping to trade it in next year when the new non-foldable models come out, stacking all the discounts and trade bonuses.

    The phone although it works without any problems as of now, the screen protector has visibly lifted right at the folding area to allow for an air pocket to form around the fold. Considering all the Samsung warranty issues people are having and the horrible Asurion stories, I'm worried they will claim the screen protector having an air bubble under it lowers the value of the phone.

    • You're in luck. I did find out that Samsung will replace the screen protector 3 times for free during the warranty period… So, I guess, book it in and report back?

      • My one year purchase period got over in April. And FML, the air pocket thing started happening in May (this month). But ye, will try and give it a shot

        • It's a 2 year warranty, so you should be fine. Assuming they don't find some reason to charge you for it…

        • +1

          My one year purchase period got over in April.

          No worries the screen protector replacement is valid for two years.

          I got my Fold 3 protector replaced while I waited.

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