So OzBargain has a love affair with Toyota and in fairness I personally think Japanese cars are the best for reliability (plug my Honda Civic)
But Top Speed has reported both Toyota and Lexus has lost their #1 & #2 spot
With Subaru taking #1 another impressive note is Audi has gone from, not very reliable at #12 up to fairly reliable in #6.
I'll note the worse performing brands by far the American big boys in Jeep Cadillac and GMC
Plenty of real world examples where it is a life saver though.
I hadn't heard of it from Subaru, not sure where others heard about it or even know about it. It could very well be part of their marketing, but that would be news to me.
Toyota Losing Their Reliability Crown to Subaru
I don't think Toyota would give up the Crown. They've been making it since 1955.
" a few weak links—the Tacoma, Tundra, and the all-electric bZ4X, all of which dragged down the brand’s overall performance" So the rest of the range are still up to the normal Toyota standards
put a 15 year old Toyota next to a 15 year old Subaru and you will see the difference
Toyota way better.
I've had both and can say Toyota are way better, had so many issues with my old Subaru.
I dont disagree with this statement but i do know Suburs that are >15 years old and still run like new (same can be said with Toyotas)
I'll also say the same for my last Honda which i only don't have because some bloke smashed into it and wrote it off - otherwise in over 15 years I never had a single issue
Now try that with brand-new versions.
Now try that with brand-new versions.
Try that with the V6 and V6 Landcruises, and the common rail Hilux and Prado.
From my recollection servicing is 6 monthly with Subarus. So somewhat of an unfair comparison.
Now it’s 12 months or 15,000 kilometres (whichever occurs first).
talking about reliability, easier measurement maybe by checking:
1. taxi company - research done to buy in bulk
2. cars in conflict zone - self explanatory
Laughs in EJ257 🤣
boxer engine fun to drive expensive to repair
Knock knock. Who's there? Cylinder 4.
Hyundai cheaply made…. Shit customer service support
The Subaru my Parents purchased in 1983 is still in use as a daily drive.
Engine was eventually rebuilt when it had around 600,000 KM on it.
Prior to that only major maintenance was CV joints and oil pump.
Great that it still runs but a 1983 Subaru is a death trap if involved in moderate accident with a modern 2 tonne vehicle like a Ranger.
Dam, i didnt know chevy was that bad. Their cars do look cool tho
I remember Subaru topping some reliability ratings back in the late 80s. When you looked into it, it was based on roadside assist callouts (mostly flat batteries) and at the time Subaru was about the only car around in which the headlights went off when you turn off the ignition. I suspect that was the biggest factor in the good results.
Subaru aren't making the Crown? isn't it just the BRZ?
I hope not. It's bad enough they turned it into a 4 cylinder fwd hatch.
Toyota and Lexus will always be #1 and #2 respectively
Dad's Forester had a series of warning lights, including check engine, eye sight, lane departure, among others.
Turns out it was due to thermal control valve failure (diagnostic code P26A5), a well known issue caused by a new part introduced in 2019 affecting Forester, Outback, XV.
The remediation requires a full day of labour plus the following parts (about $3,000 parts and labour):
All scheduled services were done at the same dealer, the car had less than 15,000km on the clock (yes he drove less than 3,000km a year), but because it was just out of warranty, we had to go back and forth to get it fixed under warranty. Apparently the dealer had all the parts ready to go but Subaru wouldn't approve the repair (or so we've been told).
It's widespread enough should have been a recall, but it's unpredictable (no set time or distance travelled to fail) and no immediate catastrophic failure, and costly to replace a part that hasn't failed. They just deal with it on a case by case basis. So if it failed a long time after warranty then the consumer will have to wear the cost.
In the US, they extended TCV warranty to 15 years (or 150,000 miles / 240,000km), nothing for Australia yet.
Toyota is the largest shareholder of Subaru. Not to mention the servicing cost of Toyota vehicles is much lower than that of Subaru.
That's true, Subaru service is quite high, alternate $350, $750 scheduled service.
Audi must have updated the car firmware to NOT schedule breakdowns after the dieselgate fiasco, haha.
No seriously, it's probably true. Less breakdowns less repeat custom for them… but award for reliability - win more new customers.
Yeah my CVT died on my 2013 impreza after 120000kms. Changed the fluid too at 100,000kms! Hard to trust subaru for reliability after that fiasco!
ouch.
what did that cost you?
I had a 17yo VW wet clutch DSG with 220k that was still going strong when the engine required repairs that were uneconomical so it went to the wreckers.
$2500 to replace the solenoids. Transmission specialists said its a design issue so it would probably go again after another 100,000kms. But i didnt want to take a risk so i sold it off after repair.
Heard about these VW stories. Was it a golf? 220K is decent mileage though
Soo many people just "trust the studies bro".
Yeah, nah, I'll trust objective reality.
Toyota/Lexus generally are the most reliable.
Euro/US are generally least reliable.
Subaru boxer and CVT just don't.
GENERALLY speaking. Yes there's always neuonces.
id imagine Mazda arnt as high as they should be because of how crap the 2.2 sky active diesel is
The list is pretty useless. Its grouping models of car together. Some that you cant even buy here:
This year, below-average reliability ratings for the redesigned Tacoma pickup truck, the full-sized Tundra pickup, and the bZ4X electric vehicle hurt Toyota’s score. Coincidentally, Subaru’s only model with below-average reliability is the Solterra EV, which is a version of the Toyota bZ4X with Subaru badging.
Makes more sense to look at the model of car you're buying, rather than the brand.
That's just part of their overall safety strategy, it doesn't necessarily make their cars the safest. The marketing team has just picked it out and chosen to highlight it.