Liv is Giant's woman specific brand, with the equivalent model being Trance.
It's an emountain bike, carbon frame, lots of carbon parts and high end spec.
RRP $14,499
Now $8,699 (save $5800)
Other bikes are also on sale: https://www.liv-cycling.com/au/international-womens-day-2025
No, it doesn't come with pedals.
Yes, it is more expensive than your [x]
you can actually, and bikes even have no FBT applied, all km are assumed to be for commuting to work (or personal usage is gifted to encourage use)!
a company that can organise this for you is here
https://www.sparque.au/
bikes even have no FBT applied
uh wot? if your employer gives you a bike (say this emtb), that's a benefit. how do you remove it from the FBT scope?
sorry, the leased electric bike, has no FBT applied. you are paying for it as part of your lease/salary sacrifice.
@peter05: ah cool thanks for pointing this out!
leased electric bike, has no FBT applied. you are paying for it as part of your lease/salary sacrifice
i'm not a tax expert anymore and in no position to lecture. please be careful with general statements like this because it can infer a leased electric bike -> has no fbt -> because it is under a salary sacrifice arrangement. that's not how s47(6) fbtaa86 works. the end result is similar (no fbt) but only if the exemption criteria are satisfied. the same criteria applies to <1tn dual cab utes (i'm looking at you, ranger raptor fan bois who ran the reds this morning).
for anyone interested, the fbtaa86 has not changed but there was a class ruling cr2020/68 which provides good reading/application of the rules (with E-stralian/sparque which @peter05 linked above).
@inamberclad: I appreciate you being specific and its good to clarify in this situation.
However I do believe that you missed the context that my initial reply, is in response to a comment asking if it could be arranged under a novated lease agreement.
Your reply and quote of my response, misses this context.
I would personally expect someone should be able to presume that when replying to a preceding comment/message, that the context of the previous message is inferred; especially on a public forum, where it is not necessarily common or expected to prefix or append disclaimers like a financial advisor
@peter05: fair call and yes i did not connect our sub conversation back to Hunter's comment. and it wasn't my intention to come across as a dick or party pooper!
@inamberclad: none taken and you weren't at all, I truly appreciated reading into the specific rulings you referenced and also voted accordingly! :D its very common with these things for everyone to fast forward and skip to the end result (which is what most people care about) and it was a good confirmation to make sure that the terminology used (at least somewhat) matched what's actually written in law
@peter05: You're a good sport mate :) the world needs more Peters! I just returned from an ev deal thread on ozb and that place is just nasty!
My last rant of the day, and ties into your comment about terminology: the FBT legislation talks about cars as distinct from motor vehicles. I would never expect ebikes to fall under either category. But the ATO among others believes it is a motor vehicle. Which is defined in itaa97 s995.1 as any motor powered road vehicle. Wait wot an ebike is a vehicle?! I should've paid attention in school :(
@inamberclad: Thanks @inamberclad for the ruling reference.
Link to CR 2020/68 if anyone else is interested.
Damn those prices seem high.
Norco VLT C1. $10k worth of lease payments per year x 2 years and I can buy it out for $6k afterwards.
It's a $10.5k bike. Is that normally how a lease works?
What are they factoring in for servicing?
I went through the quoting process with them quite extensively and did ask questions about these sorts of costs.
In addition to their margins (from buying bike and fees to provide service)
you have
Interest payments
full insurance (this is usually around 10% or more of the value of the bike, per year)
cost of bike lock
parts changeover, things like tyres, cassettes, chains and general servicing throughout the year
I can't remember where we settled on, whether things like tubes or sealant were included in the service (like tow truck assistance or bike assist etc)
how many km are you putting in for travelling to work and additional km? It substantially affects your weekly payments.
@peter05: Thanks for that.
It was 250 per week over 3 days.
I'm riding a 2023 Norco range now. I guess tbh it does require a lot of maintenance which I haven't done yet. I've only been doing it for 2 months and I've seen a severe decline in how my bike runs.
The new tyres I bought when I started are half sealant/half tread now. My shifting has gone to hell and I've got heaps of new creaking.
@danmc64: yeah i think the thing that isn't obvious to many buyers of ebikes is that getting an ebike to get around on weekends, is very different to getting an ebike to ride to work. the thing gets put through hell, you damage tyres, tubes and the drivetrain gets destroyed.
the $/week varies significantly as a proportion of the km you travel and given they don't know how well you maintain the bike, I think they sort of err on the side of caution.
I chose not to go through with it because the 'implied maintenance' was quite small which meant that if you were somewhat savvy, you wouldn't normally be paying for those services. it wasn't to say they weren't required, but the target audience/market based on their calculation of kms travelled, seemed to appeal to those that had no idea about bikes. Am absolutely understanding and not against it, just meant it wasn't for me.
in addition, memory stretches now, i think their workshop was in west melbourne i think? so it may not really be a model that works for anyone that doesn't live in that locality or commutes into the cbd (most people should probably be ok)
@peter05: Did you end up buying something?
I am tempted to build something myself. A hard tail with panniers with a direct drive hub motor maybe.
@danmc64: No, I didn't end up going for an ebike, went with a standard bike without the assistance (those aren't part of novated lease and aren't FBT exempt :D )
other thing i forgot to mention above but was implied, is that they have to maintain the bike such that they would reasonably be able to sell it for that residual value, so the components and all operation will be in top nick whereas you could conceivably run an ebike over 2 years and never get it serviced. it would still pull you along and operate, but it would be making all manner of bad noises and feel pretty average :D
a chain could last between 1.5k => 3k, but likely closer to 1.5k or even lower if it is poorly maintained. with those high end 1x cassettes that have dinner plates at the back, they could run into the 300+ range. A cassette is typically said to last around 3 chains, if you're watching the wear levels or seeking advice semi-frequently.
a commute distance of 15km, results in ~100km a week which ends up being just 15 weeks (~3 months) if you don't stay on top of maintenance. that means within a year you've chewed through 4x chains @ ~$40each and a $300 cassette. I don't know the costs of repairing the chainring on the driven motor, but due to poor running, probably be pushing torque levels, more likely to be at higher temperatures etc
Tyres run at around ~$70each, tubes $10 each. Tyres i'd say conservatively will last around 3k-4k km, so you're up for a set by the end of the year.
Add to that all your bearings, wheels
All the above assumes year round commuting, where the wet weather will be far harsher on all components in general. Haven't even talked about the depreciation of range on the battery too
Wouldn’t it be something if our governments and councils promoted cycling - they could give subsidies to purchase e-bikes and make it safer to get to where we want to go.
It would improve social cohesion, physical and mental health, and ease congestion. Even folks living in the outer suburbs could do a daily 40-50km round-trip commute by bike. They’d save time and money.
Instead we just pour billions into car dependency and urban sprawl.
Unlike the Netherlands for example, there's very little social cohesion when it comes to road use by bike riders V 'car' drivers in many parts of Australia. Doubt that culture will change anytime soon.
Only 5K more than my Jazz.
Which accommodates two bikes.
Technically you could fit down a single-track in a Jazz.
No pedals no deal
14K bike that doesn't come with pedals? how much are the pedals?
Wouldn't suprise me if it cost couple of hundreds for the pedals.
Higher end bikes usually come without pedals since it's personal preference. Riders are expected to use clipless pedals, which in itself has several different standards, so manufacturers just leave the choice up to the consumer since stock pedals are likely to be replaced anyway.
Bruh I have never used clipless on any of my eMTB.
There's no real need, you have free torque boost from the motor.
Plus it's easy just to wear flats and jump on and off.
And my Gucci eMTB is a bit too unwieldy to throw around like my hardtail or double sussy where clipless can really shine.
Exactly what I mean by personal preference.
Basics will be $20.
If you spending $8k you'll be looking at decent metal pedals so $200-400.
They went a bit mental in the last 5 years.
$200 used to get you really top end.
$11 at BigW, just bought a pair.
Better off with a cheaper used Camry 🤣
agreed, I think used Camry will be running longer than this brand new bike.
Weird to compare a Camry with a mountain bike. Good luck getting the Camry up any mountain bike trails!
Too many weasel words in the description. They don't provide basic info like weight and kW.
18.8kg from google, giant never provides weight of their bikes
Battery info is actually provided but they should also list 'indicative weight" for each size of the advertised standard build. Five minute job, and everybody understands that spec variations change weight so there's really no excuse at all. Plenty of people will say weight isn't as important as other things but that's up to individual customers to decide. It peeves me no end that they hide weight info from consumers and offer such lame excuses for doing so.
Are you really going to buy a 9k bike without doing your own research?
Do you want me to hold your hand as well?
Yes. Could you kiss me goodnight as well?
I'm 6ft…
I would rather get a beginner motorcycle for that price
Can I use a novated lease to get this? I’m sure it is a PHEV using a loose definition of the word 🤔