Need Experienced Advice on Purchase of House Containing Asbestos in WA

Hi all, I’m looking for some learned opinions, hopefully from people who have direct experience with older homes which contain asbestos. Especially anyone who has removed and properly disposed of the sheets themselves and how that went for you.

His/our story:

My son put a bid on a small home after being told all of the interior walls had been replaced years ago with non-asbestos sheets. He was also told that some of the original stumps/posts had been replaced with steel due to sagging in one of the bedrooms. Well, we all know how trustworthy real estate agents are, right?

At the inspections (building, pest, and asbestos), it turned out that the interior laundry/shower/and toilet areas are asbestos. We already assumed the separate, outer sunroom was, as it was enclosed later, but that’s easy enough to just leave alone and no renovating.

Now the issue: the roof is asbestos sheeting (painted) and turned out there is no interior access, so no way to really inspect inside without possibly breaking the sheeting. Likewise, what appears to be a trapdoor in the wood floor (probably where the posts were replaced) was sealed shut though we’re unsure with what? So, no way to inspect that either without cutting up the floor. With this situation, there’s no way to check for termites or to check the condition of the posts nor the roof interior.

This leaves us very unsure how to proceed, or if he should just pull out of the deal (he had stipulations in the contract subject that there was no interior asbestos).

Is it even legal to prevent full access to inspect a house for sale? He’s emailed the settlement agent, who are off for the Easter weekend, of course.

So, the reason for sticking with it this far is that he got the house at what has become the new normal— inflated but a good price for the size/location. Barring the asbestos/floor issues, the house is also in extremely good, solid condition, inside and out. It’s situated in a spot which is becoming commercial/apartments and the lot is large enough for something larger/two-story if down the road, he wanted to sell to a developer. The location is also good for the tenants, who will be his sister and her boyfriend (we all live together now in the place he bought end of 2019). He had then locked-in a 2% 5 yr fixed and has been saving money since then as when the rates went up, his didn’t. Now he’s on variable, but saved enough in that 5 yrs to offset the rest of that loan. Both he and his sister paid off their HECS and with four working, all of us are saving money and, no one has debt except for his current house loan.

We’re very on the fence. He’s a good kid trying to invest whilst housing his sister and her boyfriend for a few years. They likely won’t stay there forever, and then he can decide what he wants to do. He’s considering taking the course on homeowner asbestos removal and doing the work himself. He has workmates who have done this during their own renovations.

My main concern is that there could be anything wrong in the floor ceiling and without knowing, that could turn into tens of thousands of dollars of repair work. I said that even something like having plumbing work carried out could become impossible once the plumber is told about the asbestos (and no, he would never not disclose this).

As house prices climb, and with him wanting to invest in something both likely to hold/increase in value, plus having ready-to-go tenants he can trust, he’s a bit lost as he mulls it all over. I suggested he counter-offer for the unseen possible repair work, or, the owner finds a way to cover the access costs required for a proper inspection. My son is already out of pocket for the partial inspections due to the lying real estate agent.

So that’s our predicament. Any and all helpful replies greatly appreciated.

Thanks everyone!

Comments

  • +6

    "My main concern is that there could be anything wrong in the floor ceiling and without knowing, that could turn into tens of thousands of dollars of repair work."
    Agree, sight unseen I'd give it a miss
    .

  • +1

    He’s considering taking the course on homeowner asbestos removal and doing the work himself

    In NSW it's only 10sqm per project you can do as an unlicensed homeowner… I looked into getting a license but you need to do a number of jobs with an experienced and licenced remover, who will support your licence application.

    the roof is asbestos sheeting

    This would need to be assessed by a professional that deals with asbestos. That has been in the sun and weather for how long? Degrading and becoming more fragile.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-02/mesothelioma-asbestos…

    "She climbed onto a very old asbestos roof and ended up with the fibres all over her clothing," Mark recalls.

    I would try find another place unless they have $50k available to replace the roof, and sofits, etc

  • +6

    Risk death by asbestos down the track to save a little coin now. I thought you said he was switched on.

    • Do you know what the chances of asbestosis are? There is like 700-900 new cases in Australia per year. Total, not per capita. most of these are hangovers from the years when it was still used as a building product (it has a 20-30 year lag from exposure to presentation).

      To put this into perspective, breast cancer and prostate cancer have 21-26k per year….

      the cases were are seeing were people mining it, cutting, disturbing it etc. once it is in place, it doesnt really pose any risk. it' s a nasty way to go, but it's very unlikely that you would get it following correct handling techniques.

      It is reported like any exposure will immediately kill you. It really isn't like this…

  • ozb advises to let it go.

    • -2

      why cant elsa have balloons?

  • -3

    Houses with asbestos should be knocked down and rebuilt.

    Would you trust someone who just did a one week course to remove asbestos from your home? I would want them to have extensive experience first. So does he want to get a job in asbestos removal for a few years?

    Or is it a better use of your time to start looking for a different house now?

    inflated but a good price for the size/location.

    Because it has asbestos.

    Barring the asbestos/floor issues, the house is also in extremely good, solid condition, inside and out.

    Then by definition it is not in good or solid condition.

    • +1

      Most houses built 1900-1987 had asbestos in them. It would be a big job demolishing all of them.

  • +2

    somehow.. i feel this is similar with those "help, i got scammed on facebook"
    i mean, peoople know the risk of the facebook scammers, but because of cheap, they think this is a deal i am very lucky lets try that scam thing never happen to me before so i wont happen i am smart i am fast i am ozb member i did my research i am the first person in australia that see this ad, i have to be quick to seal the deal….. then… of course the result is regret at the end, and we get to see those posts on ozb.

  • -1

    I'm not concerned with toilet/laundry being asbestos, but roof? I might pass. Might be a $50k+ expense down in the line.

    And, if you cannot access areas to properly inspect what you want/need, also would be a pass for me.

    • -2

      Leave a comment why you left a neg?

      I've renovated 2 old houses with asbestos (kitchens/toilets/exterior walls) and my opinions are based on my personal experience.

  • +1

    walk away

  • +2

    Sounds like a gut job on toilet & laundry and based on how old houses were built the kitchen as well (all wet areas). The roof as well.

    Sounds like 1/2 of the house, so it's time to use the exit clause you put in the contract and make sure the conveyancer/lawyer is onto it on Tuesday so you do not stuff up the process so you get your deposit back.

  • +2

    Get some quotes for replacing the asbestos + quotes for replacing the stumps.
    Ask for a discount equal to how much it will cost.

    • Ask for a discount equal to how much it will cost

      +@tenpercent because you know the tradies will find more they have to fix :p

  • +1

    This sounds like the kind of house you buy with the intention of a knock down / rebuild. In those circumstances it doesn't matter if there is termite damage or asbestos in the roof.

    It is probably not achievable on a single income, the ideal plan would be to live there for a couple of years while getting the architects plans and permits done, then move out, build two townhouses and sell one. If he can't afford to do that then it may not be the home for him

  • I don't really understand the problem. It sounds like the house is OK to live in, but not worth doing major renovations as it will later be sold to a developer. Why remove anything?

    it turned out that the interior laundry/shower/and toilet areas are asbestos.

    Normal for an older house, though in WA, most houses are brick, so it is just the ceilings in the out-rooms that were asbestos. Does the home also have an original inside bathroom? How old?

    the roof is asbestos sheeting (painted) and turned out there is no interior access

    To be clear, do you mean the roof or the ceiling? Asbestos roofs are not normally painted, are they? And rare in WA.
    I've not seen asbestos used for the ceiling inside a house here, just the external areas - laundry, verandah etc.

    the house is also in extremely good, solid condition, inside and out.

    Then no problem. Don't disturb the asbestos until demolition time.

    I hope he realises he has paid block value, not for the house?

    Asbestos disposal is not rocket science, and is quite safe if you can follow basic instructions and use the right gear, like a disposable N95 mask, not those blue surgical ones. But it is usually better left in place until you sell to the developer.

    • Probably the soffit that is painted asbestos. Pretty normal on most houses built last century. The fuse board on most houses is asbestos too. Normally the fuse box has heaps of asbestos fibres on the bottom of it, people only realise it’s everywhere when it’s gets pointed out on a report.

    • -1

      Thank you for your in-depth reply. The house is 1970's. Interior toilet/bathroom/laundry.

      As I said, when I asked him, the agent stated the entire interior walls were replaced with non-asbestos, which was clearly not true. There's no rush to replace anything at the moment, but you literally cannot anticipate possible repairs needing done and having to disturb those rooms/walls/possibly flooring/underlay later.

      This is an old days building— not brick. Plenty of these south of Perth. There is no access via the interior (no ceiling opening) nor can you access from the roof, as it is continuous sheets of asbestos, similar to fencing. So, no way in without either pulling a roof panel, cutting a hole in the ceiling, or creating a crawl space opening on a gable end.

      It's a shame, but I've doubled-down to convince him to get out of the contract due to the interior which was confirmed to be asbestos against the claims from the agent, and according to stipulation the entire interior was replaced and not asbestos + the non-access to the roof & floor/crawlspace. I'd rather he save more money and keep looking.

  • lying real estate agent

    The agent did commission inspection reports, so could be unaware. It's up to buyer beware.

    • ** did not

  • -1

    My main concern is that there could be anything wrong in the floor ceiling

    WA homes are built on slabs with brickwalls as they have a termite issue. The floor and walls are the least of your worries :)

  • +1

    Just think… why the house is not sold yet… there are thousands people looking to buy, some more experience than us….

    • Yep, have your cake and eat it too - that is, want cheap and do minimal work.

  • -1

    Nothing wrong with asbestos housing. Will you avoid places with stone benchtops also?

    • +1

      They are two separate things, not even comparable. No one ever need to touch benchtop but cabinet maker. Asbestos wall if you are diy you always on the urge to touch it, even putting a nail on the wall for photo frame you will need ask yourself hundred times on how to do it safely.

      • +1

        See my post above. Asbestos is not as scary as it is made out, you just need to be sensible with it …

        • Not thrilled for my only son putting his only sister in it, though. For anyone.

          Cheers

          • @Geekomatic: If that is the case, why even bother posting the question?

            You know the roof and several interior walls are asbestos….

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